How to get unstuck through yoga & coaching with Gillian Dodd

1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Well, hello, and welcome to the Super Connected Show, where 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,759 I'm delighted to be joined by Jillian Dodd, who has 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:11,080 over twenty five years experience as a coach and trainer 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,640 for UK based SMEs and also global brands in industries 5 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:24,559 including tourism, hospitality, manufacturing, oil and gas, finance, FMCG, third sector, 6 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:28,879 local government and healthcare, which is also a qualified yoga 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,240 therapist in educator of yoga teachers, and she's committed to 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,560 dispelling the myth that you need to be slim, bendy 9 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:41,679 and flexible to access the benefits of yoga for pain 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,520 free and functional body. Hello, Jillian, how are you doing? 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: Hi there, Paul, Hi, good morning, very well, thank you 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,119 thanks for inviting me on. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,359 Speaker 3: No, that's good. I'm looking forward to getting into this. 14 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm slim, but I'm definitely not bendy and I'm 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,759 definitely not flexible, right, so we needn't give me some 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,000 tips on on on how to do that. But I 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,879 know we we met good good few years ago, at 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,840 least five six years ago, I think, and we we've 19 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:14,079 spoken quite a lot about the yoga therapy that you 20 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:18,519 were doing. So yoga for anyone of any age, any 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,560 size any skill level. I know that's a big, big 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,680 thing that you're passionate about. But before we get into that, 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,439 you just want to tell me a bit more about 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,879 your your background as a as a coach and a 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,519 trainer and what you do now. 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, thanks, Paul. 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: So I think you know, in a nutshell, I help 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,359 people with what this stuck with, you know, in in 29 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:49,040 the head in their career and more latterly, you know 30 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:54,920 in the body, so so. And the thing about coaching, 31 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:59,879 you know, I've I've been coaching, I think since my first. 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,359 Speaker 4: Job, which was a good while ago. Yeah. So, yeah, 33 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:05,200 my background is. 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,199 Speaker 3: In the travel I think. Yeah, it's become popular. 35 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,599 Speaker 1: People say they're a coach, but you've been a coach, 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,479 like before it was fashionable. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, yeah I have. 38 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: And I think you know, I was work. I worked 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,840 for a tour operator in Jasmine, and yeah, I was 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,039 the person that people used to new people used to 41 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:30,000 sit beside me and I would to show them the 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,960 ropes you know from Bernafield. Quite friendly and so I 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,520 suppose it started then early on in my early on 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,360 in my career, and I went on in the in 45 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,240 the travel and tourism industry, too, you know, to be 46 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,919 promoted to a supervisor and manager. So coaching is really 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,319 part of that, isn't it. It's part of a manager's toolkit. 48 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:58,840 But yeah, back in the day, and it's it's probably 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,199 thirty years ago actually where I did some NLP practitioner training, 50 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:08,400 so you know, became an NLP practitioner when it was 51 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:15,439 fairly new. And yeah, I've just I've just always been 52 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:22,400 involved in in in training and development, but also I've 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,039 been an operational manager as well, you know, so it 54 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:29,520 work as well as because after a while when I 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,960 was promoted, I worked down in London set up an 56 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,800 operation in Looton Airport for the organization I worked for, 57 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:41,039 and also worked overseas for them, so always kind of 58 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,400 replicating a success story if you like. So there was 59 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:52,000 a lot of recruitment, selection, coaching and training, you know too. 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,919 It was a very competitive market and you know, so 61 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,240 we always had to had to be the best we 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,560 what we did. So I had really great grounding in 63 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:07,120 those years in the in the travel and tourism industry 64 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:15,639 so and in customer service as well. So and it 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,680 was moving on from the travel and tourism industry that 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,920 I started to find out about other organizations as. 67 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,639 Speaker 4: Well in other ways of being and working. 68 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked for a consultancy in London, the L 69 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:39,120 and R Group, and yeah, Robert Lederman and Simon ron Caroni. 70 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:42,720 I've got both of the the books on my bookshelf here. 71 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,439 And do you know what, I was really privileged to 72 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:51,680 work for them. So, so they brought the concept pool 73 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,720 of customer carelines to the UK, and I had a 74 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,800 bit of a fancy title that I was program director. 75 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:03,120 Actually what that meant was, you know, I looked after 76 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,079 one of the one of their programs. So it was 77 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:14,920 working with clients like Unilever, Hewlett Packard and and creating 78 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,040 customer care centers, contact centers. You know, this is in 79 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:26,319 the in the in the early nineties. So and and 80 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:28,839 I've been going to yoga since I was nineteen, by 81 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,600 the way, poor and you know, even then, when I 82 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:34,560 was working for the L and R Group, I used 83 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,680 to do breath and movement with people who were answering 84 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,920 the telephone. So I was coaching and training but also. 85 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,639 Speaker 4: You know, when people were stressed. It was quite a 86 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:53,720 stressful job bringing in breath and movement techniques. So yeah, 87 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,639 I have been coaching for for a very long time. 88 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you say, I think at the start 89 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,000 of that you said about how it was I think 90 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,639 you said something about how it was like not natural 91 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,160 or easy or obvious or something like that. I don't 92 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:14,240 think it is for everyone, because some people get promoted 93 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:18,279 to being a manager, but they don't really they don't 94 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:20,000 really like people, do you know what I mean? Sometimes 95 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:24,240 you get promoted to a position of management because that's 96 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,279 just the way that they progress in the career. But 97 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,519 to be a good coach and a good trainer and 98 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,240 to do good customers, I think you've actually got to 99 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,279 like people. You've actually got to like have some sort 100 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:38,800 of empathy or rapport with people, which not everyone has, 101 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,879 but you definitely do have. And first time I met you, 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,360 I was just well, I just got on great with you, 103 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,560 and I just really really liked you. So you've obviously 104 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,240 got it might come easy to you, but it doesn't 105 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,160 come to everyone. So do you think that's Do you 106 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,560 agree that that's important to be a good coach and 107 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,240 a good trainer? 108 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,879 Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, And thanks for those nice 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,920 comments as well, you know, and I suppose when you're 110 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:13,000 saying that, I also think that it can be learned, 111 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,879 you know, it can be learned. And I think what's 112 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,800 coming to my mind here is Maya's Briggs. You know, 113 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:26,000 Maya's breaks all the different personality types. And yes, and 114 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:30,000 there'll be some statistics as well that show this that 115 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,759 there's certain personality types that are going to have more empathy, 116 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:43,360 aren't they, and perhaps more natural rapport skills. But but yeah, 117 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,839 I think you're right. You know, not everyone likes people 118 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:51,439 and likes to work with people, but you know, as 119 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,639 you say, they'll be promoted to roles because of the 120 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,000 operational proficiency, and it's really tough for people, doesn't it 121 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,160 then when they've got the people's stuff. 122 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:02,519 Speaker 4: To deal with. 123 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,319 Speaker 1: That's because often people get promoted because they're technically very 124 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:09,959 good at what they do or like a high performer 125 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:13,240 in that role, and then they get given management responsibility. 126 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,240 But I think maybe you can be a good trainer 127 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:20,519 if you're like training someone and showing someone how to 128 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,920 do something like the processes or the systems or the 129 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,680 practical elements of a role to be. 130 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: But to be a coach. 131 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Where you're bringing out the best in others, or to 132 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,120 be a really really good manager where I think that's 133 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:42,440 about teachers as well, like school teachers, educators, but definitely managers. 134 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: The best managers are the ones who are there to. 135 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:50,039 Speaker 1: Remove barriers, just to make provide someone with the environment 136 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,240 where they can thrive and they can and they can 137 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:55,879 do well. If you're if you're a coach or a 138 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:58,639 trainer or a manager, you've got an opportunity to do 139 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,559 all of those or of those. 140 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:04,039 Speaker 2: Things you have And it's a privilege as well, you know, 141 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,360 I think it's a privilege as well to help people 142 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:12,600 to you know, open up about what they're what they're 143 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:19,480 struck with. Yeah, being a manager, you know, so helping 144 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,559 people open up to to what's what's tricky. 145 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know, I'm just thinking about my own 146 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:28,360 career as well. I know something. 147 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes I've had managers where you're much more well and 148 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:34,799 happy to do that because you and then there's others 149 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,440 where you may be a bit nervous about opening up 150 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,240 about things because you think you're going to be penalized 151 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,200 or you're going to things are going to go against 152 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,200 you if you if you open about things that you 153 00:09:44,279 --> 00:09:49,679 find and difficulty. But but yeah, if you on your 154 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,759 LinkedIn profile in in the blurb that I used to 155 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,200 promote this or talk about you say, if a lot 156 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,679 of the people that you work with are people who 157 00:09:57,759 --> 00:10:00,440 are feeling a bit stuck and then maybe a point 158 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,480 in their career or their life where they've things aren't 159 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,360 quite going the way they want them to or maybe 160 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,919 not as planned and they've got some decisions to make 161 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:12,799 or they need to make some changes. So is that 162 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,000 is that who you want to work with or who 163 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,440 you you think that you work best with at the moment. 164 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think this this. Uh, I 165 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,799 work with people who are stuck. Yeah, definitely, and you 166 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,440 know I have done for a long time. And whether 167 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:36,919 it's about stuck in their career, you know, redundancy, at 168 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:40,960 a crossroads. You know, they've got a life change. It 169 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:44,039 might be a change that they didn't choose, you know, 170 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:49,639 it's gone along and you know sometimes it's it's the 171 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:55,559 body as well, it's holding holding stress. So so yeah, 172 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,519 I work with people you know, every day at the 173 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,480 moment and want to continue to do so, you know, 174 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:08,799 as well to help people to to move forward, because 175 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,000 that's the difference, isn't it between coaching and counseling as well? 176 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:16,360 You know, coaching about right what if we got here 177 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,799 and how can we how can we move forward? 178 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:23,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't explain that a bit more for anyone that 179 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:30,000 maybe hasn't had counseling or or mentioning before, what difference. 180 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 181 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: So so you know, somebody presents with with with with 182 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:43,440 a situation that that's struck with and you know that 183 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,200 may come to me for coaching, right, but actually there's 184 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,320 something really big and heavy that's happened. I don't know, 185 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,759 So for an example, it might be I don't know, 186 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,720 a death or something like that that's happened fairly recently, 187 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:02,879 and you know the person's really struggling, you know, So 188 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,240 I think there's different ways to. 189 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:06,879 Speaker 4: Deal with that. 190 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,759 Speaker 2: So, so counseling helps you to open up and go 191 00:12:12,879 --> 00:12:16,039 back the way and stay in the past, you know, 192 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:19,559 with what's happened, how has it made you feel, so 193 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,120 that you can you can really open up and talk 194 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:27,600 about that, not necessarily then with questions about okay, so what. 195 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 4: Are you going to do now? 196 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: So so, so I think that's a marked difference between 197 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,039 counseling and coaching. 198 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: Voting is more okay, so where are we now? 199 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,919 Speaker 2: You know, what's going on in the presence how how, 200 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:50,000 how's what are some of the what's some of the narrative? 201 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 4: What? 202 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,759 Speaker 2: What do you want to what do you want to 203 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,360 do in terms of moving forward? And you know, people 204 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,480 who come to me, you know maybe that I'll I'll 205 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,879 signpost them to a counselor h you know that's appropriate. 206 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,960 So but with coaching, it's right, Okay, So let's deal 207 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,559 with the present. What's what what, what's what's occurring? What's 208 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,039 interfering with what you want to do next? 209 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, good, good explanation. Well, good few years 210 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,360 ago I had I had a little bit of counseling 211 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,600 because something was going on in my personal life and 212 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,759 it was just like I was struggling to just get 213 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:36,519 your head round it, like what was going on? And 214 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:38,120 I felt like I was stuck in a bit of 215 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:40,639 a loop where I was just like going round in circles. 216 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,159 And actually the best thing it was it was offered 217 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:47,360 through work, actually like a job that I had. The 218 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:49,720 best thing was just being able to talk it out, 219 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,480 just talk through it and get it out in the 220 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:55,159 system to someone that was compass it and willing to 221 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,039 listen and not judging or anything like that. But at 222 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:01,159 the end of it that they see. The best thing 223 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,919 was like, Okay, you've got it all out. There's nothing 224 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,399 wrong with you. You're totally fact you're doing You've done 225 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,600 nothing wrong here. The situation is not good for you. 226 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,159 Speaker 3: You know what you needed? You need to get out 227 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:14,399 of that. 228 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean they didn't quite say it, but like, you 229 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,799 need to get out of that situation, which I did, 230 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:20,399 But that's what I needed. I needed to just be 231 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,360 able to talk through and get it out of my system. 232 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,399 Whereas when I've had coaching, it's been much more proactive 233 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,360 and positive and Okay, I might feel a bit stuck 234 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,080 in certain areas, but it's much more like we're in 235 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,440 this together, let's let's work together, yeah, to where you 236 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:42,360 want to be. And it's more future focused than stuck 237 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:44,440 in the past or of going around in circles. 238 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:53,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely. Sorry, no, no, no, 239 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,039 I was I was just thinking as well, you know, 240 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,919 when when I've had tough stuff as well, you know 241 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,480 that counseling has a place and it has had had 242 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:11,320 for me as well, and has yoga therapy or might 243 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:11,679 come on. 244 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: To that shortly, but yeah, yeah, yeah, Well. 245 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: The thing is a lot of people don't have either, 246 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:21,960 Like often they don't have anyone that they can talk 247 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,559 to about this stuff, especially if they're closest friends or 248 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:28,360 family or the problem, you know, it's difficult, or even 249 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,600 work colleagues. Maybe they can't open up to work colleagues either. 250 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:36,639 So I would definitely encourage people to you know, there 251 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:40,840 are resources out there. There's this online resources, the support 252 00:15:40,879 --> 00:15:43,720 out there, there's apps, as websites, there's all kinds of 253 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,519 stuff that you can tap into. But but sometimes you 254 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:50,720 really do just be the real person to talk to 255 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:53,559 that knows what they knows what they're doing and can 256 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:53,919 guide you. 257 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,639 Speaker 2: And you're right, you know, there are so many choices 258 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,399 on't there. There's so many choices out there. But yeah, 259 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,840 you know, it's great to be part of of of 260 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,159 something that helps people. 261 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, we'll go onto yoga in a little bit. 262 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: But I also noticed on your website You've got you're 263 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:17,480 sort of saying that you're working with people who are 264 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:24,720 maybe career changes or pre retirement planners, you know. Yeah, yeah, 265 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,720 major life changes, especially if someone's job or career has 266 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,879 defined them and that's who they are, and then who 267 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:34,120 are they when when that ends? 268 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: So do you want to talk a bit about that. 269 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, so, so I've been doing that for for 270 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:48,679 over ten years. Yeah, I have so, And and you're right, 271 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,080 you know, that's a that's a that's another crossroads, isn't it. 272 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,919 It's another crossroads. It might be that people are being 273 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,799 made redundant, there's a major change at work. And yeah, 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,799 and I'm just thinking about someone you know fairly recently 275 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,519 who you know, their their their work, their career, the 276 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,200 organization that they worked for was was was everything to them, 277 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,400 you know, and finding out that they were going to 278 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,400 be made redundant was a massive blow. And yeah, it's 279 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,240 it's it's helping people you know that might need a 280 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:32,960 good listen to around all of that as well. It's 281 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,160 a bit like the grieving process, you know, go through 282 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,759 a redundancy, but also looking at right, okay, so what 283 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,400 are we you know, what are we going to do? 284 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:48,000 So it's holding space for people finding out a bit 285 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:53,319 more about them and about looking at transferable skills as 286 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,039 well and strengths. And often, you know, when you've been 287 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:59,200 hit with that news that your job's not going to 288 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,119 be yours anymore, the last thing you're thinking about is, well, 289 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,680 I'm really good, you know, And I. 290 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:09,799 Speaker 4: Haven't had an interview for years and. 291 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, so yeah, so you know, we moved through 292 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,000 through through through that and what actually was to help 293 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:23,319 people recognize the skills and strengths and also you know, 294 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,880 the values. And I think if you start from a 295 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,519 place of you know, what what are you good at 296 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:34,759 and what you really value and and and then support 297 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:39,960 them into into into the job market or into active retirement, 298 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:44,920 if that's if that's if that's where they're at. And 299 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:47,559 I'm just thinking about this particular chap. 300 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,599 Speaker 4: You know who. You know, he's now got a convent. 301 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,200 He's now got a convent. 302 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 2: And initially that didn't look like it was it was 303 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:01,759 it was on the gods, you know. And I think 304 00:19:01,759 --> 00:19:04,480 for me, it's helping people to grow their confidence as 305 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:09,000 well at that time, and help with the kind of 306 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,160 narratives that people often get, which. 307 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 4: Is nobody's going to employ me. You know, I've worked 308 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,720 there for too long. 309 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: I'm institutionalized those kind of things that the narrative that 310 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,759 isn't so helpful, you know. 311 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's. 312 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,319 Speaker 1: Hard to think clearly and make a good decision when 313 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,640 you're under stress and under pressure as well. So if 314 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,680 someone's being made redundant or the threat of redundancy, and 315 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,319 that they can, especially if they've got a family or 316 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:43,279 the other things, or big mortgage or lots of outgoings, 317 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:44,680 and they think and how am I going to ask? 318 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: The stress is massive, you know, they are very stressful 319 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,559 times in people's lives exactly. 320 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: And I've been many, many years ago being made redundant, 321 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:59,359 like what it want to be bear miss My second 322 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,240 second job after university, Yeah, I working for British Airways. 323 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,279 Eleven months in they just got hundreds of people, you know, 324 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:12,319 it was it was overnight. It was just like, okay, right, 325 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,440 I've got nothing, there's nothing to do about this. 326 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 3: But but actually I. 327 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: Just saw there's an opportunity to do something completely different, 328 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,160 which which which was great and very I had an 329 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,759 amazing time actually do it and someone completely different. But 330 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:31,920 but it is difficult, like I know, and I've spent 331 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,880 a bit of time working in recruitment as well, where 332 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,079 I've been helping people find roles. 333 00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 4: And yeah, sure you have here, Yes, it is to. 334 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: You know, it can be quite demoralizing if you're going 335 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:47,279 for jobs and not hearing back or I know, I've 336 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:51,039 got a friend of ours who was applying for hundreds 337 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,799 of jobs and often not hearing anything. But he was 338 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,319 just so focused on finding another job. That's all you 339 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:58,960 could think about. 340 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,799 Speaker 1: He wasn't taking any time out to try anything different 341 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,039 or anything. Was just every day job application, but he was. 342 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:11,480 He was getting really annoyed and frustrated and quite not 343 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:13,519 in a good place. But you did get a good 344 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:16,680 job in the end. But in amongst all of that, 345 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,759 you could have maybe tried some other things and had 346 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:21,720 a bit of fund along the way. 347 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, having a coach work 348 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:29,880 with you alongside that as well, you know, helps helps 349 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,359 you know, helps helps you to to take care of 350 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,599 yourself as well at the same time, you know, So 351 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:41,799 I would advise people to to to really think about 352 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,119 what makes you happy in life anyway, you know, to 353 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,200 be doing some of that, but around people who know 354 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,559 you and you know, know you as your best self 355 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:58,960 as well, that those things are important and yeah, and 356 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:03,519 to look at different ways into into employment. But don't 357 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,480 be stuck on the job boards the whole time, because otherwise, 358 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,319 you know, Paul end up being in places of lack, 359 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:17,119 lack and rejection, which not a brilliant place to be 360 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,119 hanging about, is it. 361 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:19,279 Speaker 3: No? 362 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: No, Well that's why, Like I know, recruitment consultants do 363 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,680 have a bad rep Like there are some bad recruitment 364 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,319 consultants and bad internal recruitis as well. Right, But having 365 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,079 worked in recruitment, I totally get the value of a 366 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:36,759 good recruitment consultant. There's no there's nothing to lose by 367 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:39,799 total of recruitment consultants in telling them that you're in 368 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,200 the market, you look for a new role and let 369 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:43,599 them do all the legwork. 370 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,079 Speaker 3: Like don't you can still look for jobs. 371 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: But if you've got a bunch of people who are 372 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,960 actively looking for roles, who are speaking to employers all 373 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,000 the time, if they're advocating for you and putting you forward, 374 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:56,960 and then and they're willing to spend the time with 375 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,160 you and understand what makes you take and. 376 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,799 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, I agree, Yeah, I agree with it. 377 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,920 You know, get somebody to do your work for you. 378 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: I think there's the key thing that you said, you 379 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,200 know a good recruiter, recruiter, you know somebody who's recommended, 380 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,519 then absolutely. And I think the other thing is get 381 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:21,359 on as many people's radars as you can people are 382 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,839 often ask me about using LinkedIn when they're looking for roles, 383 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,920 and there's obvious ways to use LinkedIn, but actually having 384 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,799 a look on LinkedIn to say, right, okay, who knows 385 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,440 your work, even from years back? And do you not 386 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,799 think LinkedIn's got a bit more benevolent as well since covid, 387 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,119 you know, so that sending messages out to say, I'm 388 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,400 in this situation, redundancy situations somewhere in my career, you know, 389 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:55,559 can you offer me some help or advice and not 390 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:58,880 necessarily to be saying any jobs going where you are, 391 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,599 you know, not necessarily that, but just get on as 392 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:08,119 many people's radars as you can, because the latest statistics are, 393 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,480 you know, sixty five to seventy percent of people are 394 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,200 finding jobs through the network. Yeah, you know, so that 395 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:21,480 says something about how to spend your time when you're 396 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,799 looking for work and it's not been on the job 397 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,599 job boards all day, every day until you start out, 398 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,440 you know. So yeah, and it's something I really love doing. 399 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,279 I really do love supporting people that are at that 400 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,720 kind of crossroads. And it's all about stress and lessened 401 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,759 and keeping well, you. 402 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,319 Speaker 4: Know, whilst whilst you're making the change. 403 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. There's a lot about the kindness as strangers 404 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:55,920 as well, or loose ties, loose connections, because I think 405 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,160 people often think that it's their closest contacts that are 406 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,400 going to help them get another job. Often it's just 407 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,640 someone that maybe met once, or a friend of a 408 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,000 friend or something. But but if they don't know that 409 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,799 you're that you're looking, or that you're open to something new, 410 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,880 then you'll be surprised. People will be surprised how often 411 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,720 opportunities come their way. Just couldn't put it out there. 412 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, And I think there's something there about, 413 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,240 you know, if you're in this kind of position, is 414 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,000 getting over yourself to start telling people. 415 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 4: You know. 416 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: And I heard about one thing, Paul, where this guy 417 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,519 I said, oh, he was going for an interview, and 418 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,359 I said, where did you find out about it? So 419 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,400 I was putting the bins out. I've got a new neighbor. 420 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,480 And you said, I followed that bit of advice. I 421 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:49,559 just thought, I'm going to I'm going to tell everybody 422 00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,839 I know that I'm looking for work. 423 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,039 Speaker 4: HR didn't know you worked for HR. 424 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,799 Speaker 2: So and of course you know, he has to have 425 00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:03,640 the interview and all of that, but yeah, don't. 426 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 4: Be shy, don't be shy, shy burns getting out all 427 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,440 of that. 428 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's but do it in a positive way. 429 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240 I think that's the thing. Like people, people are drawn 430 00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:16,000 to energy. So if people are like I'm thinking of 431 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,440 someone else who's had a difficult time finding finding jobs. 432 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,720 But like sometimes the posts that they're putting on LinkedIn 433 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,079 have it have a negative tone to them? 434 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 3: Yea, and it's it's it's upsetting. It's obviously upsetting for them. 435 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: But like if there were a bit more I don't know, 436 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,079 if they were less on the negative slant, then they 437 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,920 would be more appealing to talk to. 438 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:40,519 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? 439 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: Anyway, that's just the recruit it may but last thing, 440 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,559 we'll talk about this and then we're going to yoga 441 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:52,000 because this is vastly is just well. I have built 442 00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,599 up a good network online on LinkedIn and other social 443 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,759 media channels and whatever, but I'm still learning and the 444 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,559 algorithms are changing all the time. 445 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: And but something that I've. 446 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Been learning lately is LinkedIn really does want people to 447 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,720 share expertise on LinkedIn. So if you have if you 448 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:14,680 have genuine expertise and something sharing on LinkedIn, and even 449 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,319 if you don't have a lot of followers, that will 450 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,839 be sort of pushed to the forefront. So if you 451 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,759 if you know how to do something and you share 452 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,519 it and that will that will do well. 453 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it's about what problems that 454 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,680 you can solve, isn't it as well? And and what 455 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,440 the world needs at the moment, you know, to get 456 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,039 really clear about that. I think you know, that's what 457 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:43,960 I do and I've said that, you know, shy Ben's 458 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,039 getting out and all of that. I think it is 459 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:52,400 about not hiding behind what you're good at, you know, 460 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,759 because a lot of people don't know how to sell themselves, 461 00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:04,279 you know. So it's it's it's making sure that your 462 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,200 research and as well what's needed and if you need 463 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,720 some extra training for that, then go for that, you know, 464 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:16,039 get support to get that so that you're really well 465 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:19,920 positioned to move into into into what's needed at the 466 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,559 minute as well. 467 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 468 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna talk about yoga now, right, So, yes, 469 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,519 you said you've you've been doing yoga since you were nineteen, 470 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:34,720 and then when did you start weaven into your work 471 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:39,119 or when did you start offering it as a as 472 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:39,839 something that you did. 473 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: It like a big part of what you did, like 474 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,960 trying all right do yoga. 475 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:49,599 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think you know it was it was. 476 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,119 It was just about fifteen years ago where I decided 477 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,680 to train to be a yoga teacher. You know, I've 478 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,880 learned to development professional poll, so I like to know 479 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,200 the fore end of everything. So, you know, after going 480 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,319 to yoga for such a long time, I decided to train, 481 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,359 not necessarily to teach, although I thought I could maybe 482 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,519 don't do that in the local chat all or something 483 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:18,039 like that or with me friends. So I did the 484 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:19,440 training and. 485 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:21,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, so. 486 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,039 Speaker 2: I think when I first started to bring it into 487 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,920 work was I started to ask people who I was 488 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,200 working for, so I would be doing a management development 489 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:36,440 or leadership program something like that, and say, you know, 490 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,200 I'm training to be a yoga teacher. I need some practice. 491 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,079 What about bringing it into to you know, to the programs. 492 00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,519 Some people said yes, absolutely, some people said absolutely not. 493 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,720 You know, sounds like you might have gone all a 494 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,960 bit purple Jillian, you know, and a bit more kind 495 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,079 of out there and a bit woo, We're not going 496 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,640 to do that. But basically it was about getting people 497 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,839 to put their feet on the floor and I'm doing it. Now, 498 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,640 settle in your chair, where are your sit bones, where's 499 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,519 the sky, where's the where's the earth? And kind of 500 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,519 you know, just come into the present at the beginning 501 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:14,920 of a leadership program or something like that, and learn 502 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,480 about breathing a bit better. So so, you know, I 503 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:23,880 brought that into into into into work just in that way. 504 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,440 So I did the kind of qualification politics four years. 505 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,319 It's the British wheel of yoga, you know. So yeah, 506 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:39,640 so once I once I qualified, I started to think about, 507 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,640 well I could. 508 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 4: Do workplace yoga. 509 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: So I was invited to a few things to do 510 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,720 that as part of wellness days and and that kind 511 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:58,279 of thing. And also in my coaching then people might 512 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,480 have seen on LinkedIn or I've meant that I'm a 513 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,920 yoga teacher as well, and a couple of times people 514 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,680 say I've got really bad. 515 00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,359 Speaker 4: Knee, can you help me with that? And would be 516 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,480 you know, in the middle of a coaching session. 517 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,559 Speaker 2: So so it was kind of just brought in in 518 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:20,319 an ad hoc sort of a way in in in 519 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,599 you know, in those kind of settings, you know, in 520 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:33,279 co settings. But then yeah, I think probably I decided 521 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:36,559 that I wanted to be a yoga therapist as well, right, 522 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,279 So I'm trying. 523 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:39,359 Speaker 4: To think what made me do that. 524 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I went through a really tough time right 525 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,640 where I had a health issue which meant I needed 526 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,640 in operation. Never been poorly in my life, and the 527 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,240 operation went wrong and I got an infection and I 528 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,079 was really quite ill and had to have a series 529 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,000 of operations, which you know, I was in hospital for 530 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,599 two weeks once and I was in intensive care for 531 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,720 a while. It was all a bit tricky, right, And 532 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,400 at the same time, I had some personal stuff as 533 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,559 well going on. The partner of my of my children 534 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,279 had been poorly for a long time and he was 535 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:26,319 in an end of life situation. So we're talking horrendous here, right, 536 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,799 and honestly, and and I had I was looking after 537 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:35,400 learning and development for an organization, so you know, I 538 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,759 had a fairly senior role at the time, and I 539 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,400 was only three months in my probation, and I mean, 540 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,960 you know, I'm kind of looking back at that, And anyway, 541 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,000 this is about yoga therapy. So I was getting over it, 542 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,920 you know, back at home, recovering, and a yoga friend 543 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,519 of mine said do you know what yoga therapists might 544 00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:00,559 help here? I didn't even know what that was actually, 545 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:05,960 And anyway, this lady came, brought some bolsters, cushions and 546 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,960 just started to ask me how I was feeling, like, 547 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,000 you know, physically, but also what was going on. So 548 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,799 that's the first part of it, just telling somebody, hey, 549 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,279 this is how I'm feeling in my body and mind, 550 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,680 you know, in my moto. You know, you can imagine 551 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,039 it was all a bit tough. So anyway, you know, 552 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,880 I paid for some sessions and it was just brilliant 553 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,359 being able to tell somebody what was going on and 554 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,359 to help me with things like breathing, coming back to 555 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,039 my breath, coming back to the present moment. 556 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: So you know. 557 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:46,519 Speaker 4: That that kind. 558 00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: Of made me think, oh, this is a bit like 559 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:54,640 coaching and yoga and it helps people when they're in 560 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200 a really tough spot. You know, I was in a 561 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,440 tough spot then and it was it was thing which 562 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:06,720 really helped me. So so moving on when I started 563 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,760 to train to be yoga therapist, I did that with 564 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,000 them Yoga United Education down in London. Again, that's another 565 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:19,360 three year chunk, but great training honestly, and it was great. 566 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,280 But actually, after a while I realized that, hey, this 567 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,119 is about NLP. I'm already a practitioner, it's about coaching, 568 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,719 and you know, it brings together so many of my skills. 569 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 4: So so yeah. 570 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 2: So it and I got better, you know, and I've 571 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,840 moved on a lot in a lot in life. But 572 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,320 I think it's it's when you've hit those kind of 573 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,559 I can't say it was absolutely rock bottom, but it 574 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,519 was very, very difficult. I think when you've been through 575 00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:01,719 those kinds of things, it helps you appreciate and understand, 576 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,039 not really understand it's probably not the right word, but 577 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:15,360 hold space for other people going through some difficulty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 578 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 3: I think we don't have to. 579 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,519 Speaker 1: But I think if someone's had a difficult time as well, 580 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,000 makes of a better coach as well, or maybe a 581 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:26,480 better yoga therapist. If you if you've never had any 582 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,119 problems in your life, and you've never had any adversity, 583 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:33,159 or you've never had to be resilient or sort of 584 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:37,400 dig deep, then yeah, but you have so well and 585 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,119 well done for and all that and coming through it 586 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,000 and then also being able to bring all your like 587 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,480 you say, skills and expertise and and your what you're 588 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:48,719 really interested in as well. 589 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,199 Speaker 3: You've already had that love of yoga. 590 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,519 Speaker 1: And coaching and training and being able to bring it 591 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,320 all together into a into a new string to your ball, 592 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,840 a new new element to your. 593 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:04,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's it's a powerful part of my 594 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 toolkit for sure, you know, the yoga and the yoga therapy. 595 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 4: It's not for. 596 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: Everyone, you know, And if you're talking about the corporate 597 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,920 the corporate world and even using the word yoga, you know, 598 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:23,480 I've learned too to sometimes not call it yoga, and 599 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,280 you know, and too to call it stress less for wellness, 600 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:35,760 stress less for wellness, because you know, that's what that's 601 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,639 what what yoga is about, you know. And for me, 602 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,880 you know, yoga isn't about the pouses and looking all 603 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,199 fancying the poses. It isn't about that at all. It's 604 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,719 about giving people the practical tools, you know, the practical 605 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,480 tools to manage stress and to stay present, so to 606 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,760 manage stress and to stay present and better with every 607 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,079 day life. Really, so if you put the word yoga 608 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,840 on it, some type of people get really confused. 609 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because when you describe the way you 610 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:13,559 described it, they're about stress less. 611 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:18,559 Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want to do that? 612 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: Like and like a lot of I've had a lot 613 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,000 of people talk about performance you know, high performance boards 614 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,039 and like bring out the best in your colleagues, and like, 615 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,480 some people will be drawn to that sort of language 616 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,760 in terminology, orthers will be drawn to the words are powerful, 617 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,400 aren't They like turn people off and turn people on 618 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,800 and depend on how you use it. 619 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 620 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: And the thing is, you know, it is about people 621 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,480 in everyday life and anybody can do anybody can can 622 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:56,440 do this. It's about access and your parasympathetic nervous system, right, 623 00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:00,159 So it's a part of your nervous system, which is 624 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,440 is the rest and digest part. So it's not the 625 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440 full on part, it's the rest and digest part. So 626 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:16,039 the tools that yoga brings helps people to do that, 627 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,559 you know that, So that might be I don't know, 628 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:25,440 before you're going into a meeting if things are getting overwhelming. 629 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,360 You know, it's quite simple stuff that you don't need 630 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,559 a yoga mat, you don't need to be flexible. 631 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can do it at ESK. 632 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll talk about more about how things have changed. 633 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:44,800 Do you think do you think people are more receptive 634 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,639 to do it now than there were maybe fifteen years 635 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,760 ago or even just the if you mentioned yoga or 636 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,199 people realize that you're talking about yoga. Do you think 637 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,039 they're more open to it now than that we're in the. 638 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 2: Past again, you know, I think some people some people are, 639 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:06,079 But I think there's an issue with yoga where it's 640 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,679 taken on this shape that it looks like it's something 641 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,719 that people do in a gym, you know, the need 642 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,559 to have the gear or you know. So I think 643 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,039 once you talk to people about it and they experience it, 644 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,119 they'll go, oh, that's what it is. 645 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,559 Speaker 4: Anybody can do that. But you know, yoga is big, 646 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:29,800 isn't it. You know it is. I've just been to 647 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,000 Australia and everybody's doing yoga. 648 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 2: In Sydney, you know, but even in you know where 649 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,039 I live here, there's lots of different types of yogat 650 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,800 you know, this, this hot pod yoga. 651 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 4: And all of that, and. 652 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 2: What else is bring it all on, you know, bring 653 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,719 it all on as long as we sprinkle the crumbs 654 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:56,239 of real yoga, you know, and and feed people the 655 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,880 crumbs of that. So yeah, it's but what I want 656 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,000 to do is to bring the benefits of it to 657 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,880 ordinary folk, you know, and and people of all in 658 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,239 all walks of life and of all shapes and sizes. 659 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I love that. 660 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: I don't say a bit about the difference between you're 661 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,880 getting the East and the West, because there is like 662 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,599 in the East, in the Far East and Indian particularly, 663 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:27,000 it's people. 664 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 3: Of all ages and sizes doing it. 665 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,039 Speaker 1: It's it's much more of an everyday thing for all 666 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,760 kinds of all kinds of people, whereas in the West 667 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,559 it's maybe become much more about fitness and that you say, 668 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,320 look in a certain way, or the clothes that you wear, 669 00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:44,440 or the much more commercial focused. 670 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. 671 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. And I don't know if if 672 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,800 I if I totally this pole. But again it's the 673 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,480 learning and development person in me, you know, I like 674 00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:59,360 to go to the source of the so and I'd 675 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,559 always wanted to go to India, and with that, you know, 676 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,400 in in mind, and and A did I spent probably 677 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,559 about seven weeks in India. Yeah, Youmber a few years ago. 678 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: I remember you went, but I didn't realize you were 679 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,679 there for that long. 680 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and so yeah, I mean they think 681 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,679 we're a bit nuts over here in America as well, 682 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,000 you know, on Australia, with all of the way that 683 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:34,840 yogur's Yogur's taken off in the way that it has here. 684 00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:41,079 So yeah, And I interviewed people about about about yoga. 685 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:45,159 What is yoga to them? You know, and it's it's 686 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,079 I'm just having to look at it here because it 687 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:48,360 is it is still on my desk. 688 00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:50,159 Speaker 4: I'm writing a book about all of that, you know, 689 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,400 I am writing a book about yeah. 690 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,639 Speaker 2: So, but what I wanted to do was to talk 691 00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:03,760 to some really learned folk who would answer questions for me. 692 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,320 And I had this piece of paper in my bag 693 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,280 and written on it was tell me what to do 694 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,400 because I've done yoga for four years. This is in 695 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,920 my question. I've never been in a slim body. What 696 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,599 advice do you give me about, you know, carrying on 697 00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:31,079 to teach yoga. So I went to visit visit Swami right, 698 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,599 who was like a learned person in an ashram. You've 699 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:36,880 got to remember, Paul, you know, my dad's a minor, 700 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,239 was a minor. I'm a really practical person. I've been 701 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,320 at operations, you know, I've worked in corporate in the 702 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,159 corporate world. So but I wanted some of these questions asked, 703 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,199 you know, and yeah, so I did that great experience, 704 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,079 and what he said was, you know, really have a 705 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:05,920 clean palate, and yeah, make sure that you spread and 706 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,960 sprinkle the crumbs of what yoga actually means to people 707 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,440 and you know, shiny light in your own community, whatever 708 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,719 that is, and that you're not going to be able 709 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,519 to change what's happening in the world of yoga. And 710 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,079 it's all right, you know, it's all right because it 711 00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:26,239 doesn't look like it's a bad thing, does It doesn't 712 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,800 like people look like people are doing bad stuff at all, 713 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,079 you know, so I think for me as an educator, 714 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,159 you know, then it's to do that, you know, to 715 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,559 do that. So so yeah, that trip to India, you know, 716 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,679 it was amazing. 717 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,159 Speaker 4: And you know, the. 718 00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: Books on my shelf here. I've done lots of studying 719 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,719 into yoga and where it all comes from, and lots 720 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,320 of the positive psychology that will say bandied about all 721 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,719 over the internet, a lot of it comes from yoga, 722 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,320 you know, about the mind and the body and breath 723 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:09,199 work and and and and all of that. So so 724 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,559 one of the things that I did paul I Am. 725 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:17,079 I wrote a module for the British Wheel of Yoga 726 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,159 which is about it's all about yoga for people of 727 00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:26,320 all shapes and sizes. It's all about making sure that yeah, 728 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,199 will make yoga accessible. So I've had that accredited. I've 729 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:37,400 had that accredited, so you know, again smelling and development 730 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,599 background that it's kind of driven me to and I'm 731 00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,920 passionate about it. You can tell I'm passionate about it, 732 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,840 you know. And in my yoga business, it's it's like 733 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,800 anybody can do it. 734 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 3: You know. 735 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:57,679 Speaker 4: It's yoga for the body. You're in yoga for the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 736 00:44:57,559 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 3: Love it, love it. 737 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,760 Speaker 1: So do tell me tell me a bit more about 738 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360 like who you work with, what type of people you 739 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,199 work with, or maybe some examples of if who maybe 740 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,039 has come to you for support and when and why? 741 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,039 Speaker 4: Yeah? 742 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 2: Sure, so you know that's always the question. So so 743 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,239 I have you know, I have a studio here if 744 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,000 we're looking at yoga therapy. But actually, you know, since 745 00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,199 since the pandemic, you know, the reaches is much greater, 746 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,000 isn't it, So. 747 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,079 Speaker 4: I could I do this online as well? 748 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 3: So you started that weekly, didn't during COVID? 749 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 4: I did. I did, and I've kept I've kept doing that. 750 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 2: And when I was doing my yoga therapy training, I 751 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,840 wasn't sure that you could do yoga therapy over zoom. 752 00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 4: Actually you know you can. 753 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:02,599 Speaker 2: So so people joining from Australia and uh, you know, 754 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,000 people can join from from anywhere. The first thing that 755 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,880 I ask people is what brings you to you know, 756 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:16,079 what what brings you to to to this and so so, yeah, 757 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,519 and and lots of different things. You know, it might 758 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:24,639 be a muscular skeletal program problem that somebody's got poorly knee, 759 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,519 poorly hip. It could be that, you know, there might 760 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,639 be stuck with something to do with the menopause. You know, 761 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,639 people might might might come for some yoga therapy because 762 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,199 they've they've they've not been able to to find what 763 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,280 they're looking for elsewhere. 764 00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 4: It can be that. 765 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 2: And actually I'm just remembering, you know, one one thing, 766 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,679 one person who who came to me, this lovely guy, Gareth, 767 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,760 and and I said to him, so. 768 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 4: What you know, what what what? 769 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 2: What what brings you to yoga? You know, I think 770 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:08,119 that was my question. And he said, well, actually I'm 771 00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,679 going to be rowing the Atlantic. And I had to 772 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840 kind of listen twice. You know, I'm going to be 773 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:15,920 waring the Atlantic and I'd like to be a bit 774 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:22,079 more flexible, That's what i'd like. And you know, so yeah, 775 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,400 I worked with with with Gareth too to help with that, 776 00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,800 to help with flexibility, and you know, it kind of 777 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,880 goes on a journey. It's hold in space, isn't it? 778 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,719 For somebody whatever whatever they want to, whatever they. 779 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:36,119 Speaker 4: Want to do. 780 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,519 Speaker 2: And I think COVID stop Gareth from from achieving that 781 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,920 straight away. But actually he did go on to do that, 782 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,400 you know he did. 783 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: Was that his background or was it like like totally 784 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,480 different to what it's about. 785 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,760 Speaker 2: It's about raising money. It's about raising money for veterans 786 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480 at ease. I don't know if you've met, but he's 787 00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,679 an amazing chap. 788 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,679 Speaker 1: And memory sounds a bit, but he has. He's left 789 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,039 a lovely comment on there. I can say he said 790 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,320 it would be a great podcast, and he did say 791 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,320 also look back on his career, he noticed that the 792 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,239 times were the most productive and enjoyable when when he 793 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,519 had a mentor he could go to. So that was 794 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,920 a comment on what we said earlier on but right right, 795 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,760 that sounds like an awesome guy. I love to check out. 796 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,599 Speaker 2: Guy, and I did when when I knew I was 797 00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,960 coming on here, I did check in with him and say, Gareth, 798 00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:30,239 can I mention you? And he said, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 799 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,079 So I mean that's very extreme, isn't it. Somebody rown 800 00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,400 across the Atlantic. 801 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 4: But you know it can be. 802 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,599 Speaker 2: Usually people come to me because they're recommended, you know, 803 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,280 the recommended, either through watching or or through yoga class 804 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,440 or or something like that. Or I might meet somebody 805 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,440 at one of your events as well. 806 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, so all. 807 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,039 Speaker 1: Kinds of well, well, yeah, you talk about events, so 808 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,480 you've been to some of my events. But we did 809 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:04,599 our five day UK Startup and scale Up Week festival 810 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,079 last summer round about this time. 811 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:09,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. 812 00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,639 Speaker 1: It was great because you did a couple of really 813 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,800 cool things at that. So on the final day you 814 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,840 gave a talk which I thought was fantastic. You were 815 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,920 you were so brilliant on that. But also you did 816 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,119 some some yoga for people before the session. It was 817 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:29,559 before the event got underway on the Thursday, wasn't it. 818 00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:34,320 And on the Friday, Yeah, people doing it with you 819 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,960 who maybe some maybe had done it before but others 820 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,000 had never done it before. 821 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 2: No, that's right, that's right, and I think I remember 822 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,559 then as well, not calling it yoga. You know, it 823 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,360 was under the banner of stress less for wellness and 824 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,599 we'll forget you know that people, you know, coming to 825 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:59,039 events like that, they've had a journey to get there. 826 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,840 You don't know what they're leaving behind at home. They 827 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,639 might be going to speak about something, and they might 828 00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:06,400 be going with a boss for the first time, do 829 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:06,920 you know what I mean. 830 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 4: There's all kinds of things really. 831 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:12,559 Speaker 2: But if you can start to feel better in your body, 832 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,480 then you know, and start to access the parasympathetic nervous system, 833 00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:22,119 right because you've probably have been accessing the other part 834 00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,760 of your nervous system even just to get there, you know. 835 00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,320 Speaker 4: So I love doing things. 836 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,800 Speaker 2: Like that because you see people kind of loosen up 837 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,800 and get ready for the day, you know. 838 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,760 Speaker 3: Well, SA Sadly I couldn't do because I was rushing 839 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,880 around getting ready the. 840 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 2: Different venues and you were always you know, get ready 841 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,960 in meeting your your folk and stuff. 842 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,079 Speaker 1: But I could see people doing it and there was 843 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,559 a lot of smiling, so people were happy and enjoying it. 844 00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,360 And that's another thing that puts people in a good 845 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,840 mood and it's a shared experience with the others doing 846 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,199 it's so straight away. Maybe if if they've gone to 847 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,239 an event in the door anyone straight away, they've got 848 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,880 some people that have got some connection to. 849 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 3: That. 850 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,280 Speaker 1: You offered to do that, and it was It definitely 851 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:14,559 just added a lovely extra element to the event, justly 852 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,880 sprinkled a bit of a magic on the event that 853 00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:17,840 you know. 854 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,440 Speaker 2: It was fun and I think that's what it needs 855 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,719 to be as well. It doesn't take long either, doesn't 856 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,840 take long to and you don't need a matt you 857 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,000 don't need those things. It's kind of practical movement and breathing, 858 00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:33,119 you know that anyone can do. 859 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, can I get you doing some some of 860 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:40,480 that again at future events where there's anyone watching this 861 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,599 who's an event organizer, I definitely encourage them to get 862 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:44,480 you involved in that. 863 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,559 Speaker 3: I know. I went to the. 864 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,639 Speaker 1: Entrepreneurs Forum Conference annual conference a few weeks ago. During 865 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:56,400 the lunchtime break, they had some breakout sessions that you 866 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,119 could use from and that I. 867 00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 3: Don't think they had yoga. I think they had a 868 00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:01,719 sound bath. 869 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 4: Oh good, yes, lovely before and. 870 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: I did enjoy that, although I fell asleep when I 871 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,920 did it. They had a walk, just a guided walk 872 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,039 around the grounds of Ramside Hall. They had an art 873 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,119 session with Alvi Alvi Joey. 874 00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:19,280 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, I think I saw that. 875 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,039 Speaker 1: Really, I've not picked up a pen or a pencil 876 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,119 for probably twenty odd years, haven't it. But I really 877 00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:30,119 enjoyed just taking time out to just sketch and draw 878 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,800 and it's lovely. But I could I could totally see 879 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,599 a yoga session led by you at the next Come 880 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,079 Traverse Forum conference. 881 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:41,039 Speaker 4: Well, I'd love to. Yeah, It's be my pleasure to 882 00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:41,360 do that. 883 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,519 Speaker 1: So we'll see what can make that happen. So yeah, 884 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,639 So if anyone wants to know about you or wants 885 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,679 to work with you, what's what's the best way to 886 00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:52,239 get in touch? 887 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the best thing. 888 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,199 Speaker 2: The best way to get in touch is to it's 889 00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,800 as semi private message, so yeah, send me a private 890 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,480 message on LinkedIn and yeah, and I like to talk 891 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,760 to people as well, you know, to to see what 892 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,800 the what the what what it is that that that 893 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,719 that would like to do. So yeah, that's the best 894 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,159 way to get in touch. And through I've got two websites, 895 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,360 so yoga for the body you're in, which is w 896 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:29,920 w W dot Yoga, f B y I dot com yeah, right, 897 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,440 and the other ones jilliandog dot com. So that one's 898 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,840 more about the training and coaching side of things. So 899 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,559 those two places absolutely or via LinkedIn be great to hear. 900 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, Well definitely. 901 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,599 Speaker 1: Well I think you're well, you're a lovely, lovely lady, 902 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,039 but you're very very good at what you do. 903 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,119 Speaker 3: And I always enjoy our conversations. 904 00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:58,679 Speaker 1: And I was I was feeling energized in there and 905 00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,519 the positive. 906 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,519 Speaker 3: So I'm doing a yoga maybe maybe any. 907 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 4: I was thinking, you know, just got a couple of 908 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,400 minutes to just do something, just for a couple something 909 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,000 for a couple of. 910 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 2: Minutes, right, Okay, So so this is about, you know, 911 00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:21,960 accessing a way to to to yeah, to access the 912 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,960 parasympathetic nervous system. 913 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 4: Right. 914 00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:26,320 Speaker 2: So what I'd like you to do is to make 915 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,360 sure that you're you sat really well on your chair, 916 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,880 so that means come to the edge of your chair 917 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,840 so you know where your sick bones are. And uh, yeah, 918 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,280 I've got your shoes on or off. 919 00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:41,559 Speaker 3: I'll take them. 920 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,119 Speaker 4: Off off off, just yousue. 921 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:50,119 Speaker 2: So if you just maybe close your eyes and and 922 00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:54,639 and where's your big towards your little toe and halfway 923 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:58,920 around your heel at the back. All right, so so 924 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,280 so of cour as we're not putting our feet right 925 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,039 directly into the earth. But we've got a surface here, 926 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,000 so a surface for our sick bones, a surface for 927 00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:09,199 our feet. 928 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 4: That's it. 929 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,039 Speaker 2: So and just let the top of your head, the 930 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:17,400 crown of your head, lift up, not force it up, 931 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:24,719 but just yeah, where's where's where's the sky? But the 932 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,119 first thing to do then, so we've settled here, is 933 00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:33,000 to is to lengthen the fingers. So lengthen the fingers 934 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,039 and maybe just wiggle the fingers. That's it, So lengthen 935 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,639 so this encourages blood flow just by doing that. So 936 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,639 lengthen the fingers, wiggling the fingers, so let the fingers move. 937 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:54,800 That's it. And then the second place is your shoulders. 938 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,559 So let the shoulders roll. So let your shoulders roll. 939 00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:05,280 You can do that one by one or both together, and. 940 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,760 Speaker 4: Just keep it nice and smooth and easy. And then 941 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,599 how is your neck? 942 00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 2: Can you just let the neck be a little bit 943 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:19,440 more free, relax your neck. So there's the three places 944 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,880 to start with. Our fingers can move, shoulders can roll, 945 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,880 and actually with your shoulders, can you just open your 946 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,239 shoulder blades at the back, So open your shoulder blades 947 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,119 and let your shoulders roll. See if that's any different, 948 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,519 So open them a little at the back. 949 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 4: That's it. 950 00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:48,199 Speaker 2: Let the shoulders roll, Let your neck be free, and 951 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,159 relax your face. 952 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,639 Speaker 4: Relax your face. 953 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,519 Speaker 2: We'll hold a lot of tension in the jaw, so 954 00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,360 relax your face and turn up the corners of your mouth. 955 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,119 What makes you laugh, turn up with the corners of 956 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:02,719 your mouth. And also just kind of blow as well, 957 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,119 so like you're blown out the candle and you can 958 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,159 do a little bit of that. 959 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 4: That's it. So if we move. 960 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,599 Speaker 2: Shoulders can roll, your neck's a bit more free. That's 961 00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:20,159 it might look a bit. It doesn't matter what it 962 00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:24,360 looks like, it's how it feels. And then relax your belly. 963 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:27,480 Often we kind of just hold the tummy in, so 964 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,000 relax your belly and relax the pelvic flow. We know 965 00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:33,960 what we'll call people if the pelvic floor is just 966 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,360 a bit too tight. So if you can just relax 967 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,280 your pelvic floor, that's it. And then let your sid 968 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,960 bones drop like weights on a string that dropped from 969 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:51,800 your spine. So fingers can move, shoulders can roll. Yeah, 970 00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:53,800 your neck is free, and you might want to just 971 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,639 do a little infinity sign. Use your nose to do 972 00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:58,800 an infinity sign. 973 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 4: You might just notice some crackles and pops. Did you 974 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:06,920 do that? 975 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 2: Relax your face, swallow, make some saliva and swallow. Relax 976 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:24,639 your joe blow, smile, Relax your eyes, Relax your belly, 977 00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:28,599 relax your pelvic flow, and let your sick bones drop 978 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,519 like weights from a string from your spine. 979 00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,519 Speaker 4: Oh how's that? 980 00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:38,639 Speaker 3: Do you know what? 981 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: I have to feel very relaxed, very chilled now, but 982 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,079 like all of that, none of it's hard, it's all, 983 00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:47,599 but it all, it all feels good. 984 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,159 Speaker 3: But like you don't do it, do you? Like, like 985 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:56,079 you don't often do it really good? Like my shoulders 986 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:56,960 felt really good. 987 00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: Like I've obviously you am hold a lot of tension 988 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,480 in there, which I didn't realize. And I mean, as 989 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,199 much as I love doing these interviews and I really 990 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,480 enjoyed the conversation, you know, I am like, yeah, I'm 991 00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,719 like focused, and I'm not I'm not totally relaxed, but 992 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:21,840 but I am. Now that felt really really good, So 993 00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:24,159 thank you excellent. 994 00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,239 Speaker 4: My pleasure has been really nice to talk to you. 995 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Okay, thank you, Jillian. We'll leave 996 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:33,760 it there and our a few nice comments. A lot 997 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,559 of people have been watching it, and I'm sure more 998 00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,760 will watching them the rest of today and the rest 999 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,760 of this week, but it'll be It will also be 1000 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,679 an audio podcast on everywhere like Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, 1001 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,159 Audible be Everywhere, and handy little blog summarizing everything with 1002 00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:51,840 some backlinks to your website as well. 1003 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 3: So thank very much in there. 1004 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:59,880 Speaker 2: We'll see you soon, okay, thank you, bye. 1005 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah.