Mindset Over Everything: A Leader's Framework for Conquering Chaos, with Dobbin Buck

Hi, I'm Clayton Mask and on the Conquer the Chaos podcast, I talk with inspiring business owners about what it takes to build a great business and a great life. That means more money, more time, more control, more impact, more freedom. So keep listening to hear the tough lessons they learned so you don't have to repeat them. Welcome everyone to this episode of the Conquer the Chaos podcast.

I am Clayton Mask, your host and author of Conquer the Chaos, and excited to spend a little time talking about the number one key to success for entrepreneurs that I've got a ton of passion about. And I've got a great shared experience with our guest today. And we're going to talk about mindset and how critical that is and how it actually plays out for entrepreneurs. So please welcome a longtime friend, great partner for our business, and not only a fantastic automation expert, but just a wonderful human.

Dobbin Buck, so great to have you here. Thanks for being here. Wow, Clayton, couldn't be happier to be here with you. I was just so excited all day to be able to connect with you.

An individual that has been, I would say, you've been a critical aspect to my success and growth. So I'm glad to be here full circle and joining in with you. Have some fun. Well, it's going to be a lot of fun.

So let's take just a second. So by the way, Dobbin is the co-owner and chief revenue officer of Get You Wired, which is an agency that helps small businesses grow with automation. Dobbin, why don't you take a second and just tell a little bit more. I mean, we've worked with you and Get You Wired for, shoot, 15 years probably.

It's been a couple of different lifetimes in business, I would say. But tell us, tell the audience a little bit about what you do at Get You Wired. Sure. Get You Wired is 23 years old, believe it or not, as an organization.

And over the course of 23 years, we've grown from, I think, around a five-person team to over 50. And right now, I'm in the mid-40s with the amount of team members, local team members that we have. We're a full-service digital marketing agency that certainly we are adept in multiple verticals, influencers in the realm of marketing, automation, creatives. And one of our strong suits where we're called upon a lot these days is because i have 14 full stack developers we're doing uh advanced integrations and work with a lot of sas companies in regards to their integrations out into other sas or third-party um integration so we're keeping really busy i have a really cool creative and fun group of young everybody seems young to me these days uh professionals that uh from the backwoods of north georgia a tourist destination we're able to have an amazing impact on the world of small business and software so thrilled to be here clay i love it love what you guys do get you wired is It's amazing.

And yeah, you're the integrations you do to get to get customers systems all talking to each other so that you can effectively execute automation is, you know, you guys are specialists at that. You guys do great. So, OK, well, let's some, you know, some of the audience will recognize your name from the book. I talked about you in the book.

In fact, Matt, who facilitates the Conquer the Chaos podcast, he and you and I were all talking just a minute ago and remembering that as I was finishing the book, you and I were talking in Costa Rica and I said, hey, can I use this story? story we've known each other for years and you were kind enough to allow me to do that and it's a pretty personal story um you know but we were talking about the importance of of getting our mindset right getting our identity right and getting getting ourselves as entrepreneurs into a place where we can deal with all of the crap and chaos that comes at us and it just is it's just a lot and it doesn't matter uh if you are just getting started or if you've been running the business for five years or ten years there's just a lot of chaos it's the way it is if you're growing there's chaos and so how you conquer that and deal with it starts in the mind and that's what I want to talk about today because there's different places where it comes into play but you were pretty generous in sharing your story or allowing me to share your story and you had to overcome a lot in terms of getting your mindset right to be a successful entrepreneur will you take just two minutes and talk a little bit about that maybe give a little insight into what your backstory is and what you needed to do to get your mindset into a place where you could win in business absolutely so the origin story so to speak um is that uh i was in the museum trade which i followed in my father's footsteps so my father did the museums like the statue of liberty museum of smithsonian institutions uh milestones of flight in the air and space museum a lot of big high profile museums and i was along for the ride in my younger days and then i grew into a career in museum development by that i mean all of the exhibits and theming and everything that goes inside the building not the architecture on the outside of the building so um And in the course of that career, a lot of money, a lot of ego flying around, a lot of different things.

As a young business professional, I was not well equipped to handle, though professionally I handled myself. But the internal, the inside job was pretty chaotic. And I fell into a pathway of drugs and alcohol to where at the age of 36, over a long period of trying to get a handle on that and all, I found myself homeless, penniless, family-less, friendless, dying in a hospital. and I not to get religious but I in that I remember very clearly a prayer that I made that was I will be satisfied if please if I can just have a normal life I don't need to be wealthy I don't need to have some idealistic success.

I just want to live and have some sense of satisfaction and not be in this nightmare that I'm trying to come out of. And fortunately, you know, that was answered through a series of different humans and friends and people that I align myself with that had either made that journey before me or were currently in the same spot as me. and slowly I was able to come out of severe brain damage and physical damage. And I went from being a museum executive to after I got cleaned up, my first job was a stock boy in a variety store in Buckhead, Atlanta.

And then I graduated to becoming a barista. And there's a bunch of baby steps back into what we would say the world of bigger business or definitely the gateway to entrepreneurship. And sort of, you know, interestingly, the business journey is a lot about wrapping people around myself that have been where I want to go and can hold me accountable and can be friends. and we grow together, we move together, we serve each other.

So there's some parallels between the business path and the path of survival that I took out of addiction and alcoholism and the tornado of chaos that I had created in my life. Thanks for sharing that. I know most people who know you and see your success today would never realize that where you were at 36 and what you went through and you know when you've been to that dark side you know i talk about the dark side of entrepreneurship it happens it's the dark side of success in a lot of ways it you know it's not in the book i talk about it not just being the dark side of entrepreneurship is not just the struggle but it's also the success a lot of times can eat people up um on the inside and cause people to you know you see death and drugs and divorce and and you know all kinds of difficult things so when you you know i'm interested to hear as you describe you know when you came out of that dark side and being acquainted with it what did you find as you started to have success in the business what did you need to do to keep your mindset in the right place and not succumb again to that dark side for me it was it was about not going back to my comfort zone so not trying to reignite my earlier networks the things that i fell back upon relationships all of that it was net new moving forward new relationships new vision and really um just being open to what comes in front of me and and being aware enough to see where there's an opportunity and having the self-confidence to say yes to opportunities saying i'm capable of doing this, I'm capable of getting involved in this and I can bring value to this opportunity that's in front of me.

And early on, those were simple things and they progressively got bigger and bigger and bigger and more money and more responsibility and then responsibility to a lot of people in the end. Okay. Let's, we'll come back to that, the responsibility and the bigger and bigger and but you said two things one was who you surrounded yourself with and the the journey out of addiction in surrounding yourself with people who had been where you wanted to be um or who are where you know where you want to be but then also um you know the the fact that you had the self-confidence to accept things that were coming your way when you get you know when we dig into mindset and we peel back all the layers.

So much of this comes down to self-confidence and the ability to say yes and accept what's possible when it may not look that way. Everybody's trying to deal with their past. You had a very difficult past. And so I want to key in on that part.

Not so much the part about surrounding yourself with people. I think that's great and I want to make that it important that we underscore that point but really believing in yourself you could have very much very easily not I mean of all the people who have self issues and by the way it's all of us in entrepreneurship right you just you just do you deal with like can I do this next thing and the next thing it's just at times it hits you it's not it's not like it hits you every time but there are times where it hits you so you of all the people you had good reason to go I can't do this who am I trying to kid you know I know where I was at 36.

And how did you shun that? How did you create, how did you cultivate a mindset that could be confident in taking on the new opportunities that were coming your way? I think it was helpful that I had people around me that, that believed in me. And early on, I remember the first, the biggest opportunity that came was a friend of mine had opened up a logistics company in Atlanta.

And he asked me to join him and help him with business development. Okay. And I was like, Oh, I don't know, dude, I'm, I'm pretty busy. And he corrected me very quickly.

He says, Domin, you're serving coffee at a coffee shop. And in your spare time, you're going to Barnes and Noble and reading books for free, because you can't afford them. Like, come and help me. And let's do this together.

And he's, he's still a very dear close friend of mine today. And I was like, you know what, you're right. And it's true. I would go to Barnes.

I couldn't afford books. So I had bookmarks and I would go in and read books and put my bookmark in the book and put them back in the shelf and go back the next day and finish reading. I've always been a reader and I had to do what I could do. So it's sort of a fusion of I've done a lot in my past and I was proud of my accomplishments in my earlier career.

I've gone all the way from my perspective to the bottom and I'm still on this side of the grass. I'm still breathing. I've made it through there. I'm capable of anything.

If I'm capable of living to that point, then I'm capable of doing that. And I mean, nobody's asking me to be a brain surgeon or something like that. They're asking me to engage in aspects of business that I have some background in. And so I have nothing to lose.

You know, one thing is when if you've gotten to the place that you've lost everything and come back out of it, the fear of losing everything again, isn't as bad. Yeah, that's really, that's really a great point. Not only do you have the confidence that, hey, I can do this, but you don't have the fear that's pulling at you because you've seen it. You've seen the boogeyman, you know what it is.

And so that's really interesting. You know, for everybody that's dealing with a crisis of confidence, and it's going to come for everybody at some point when you're dealing in entrepreneurship, there were several things you said one was the people that believe in you two was you knew where you had been successfully you looked at the success three was you you didn't you you reframed the negative experience and I think that's the crucial thing because we're all dealing with the natives thing and you can dwell on that or you can reframe it to be something that is not as fearful as you called out and overcomable because you did it and the fact you did it means you can now do so many other things.

So you called out some really important ways. There's one other thing you didn't explicitly state, but you kind of brushed right past. You were learning. You were in learning mode, going to Barnes and Noble, reading books for free, but you were taking stuff in.

You were learning. And that, you know, is one of those things that fuels confidence as we're just learning and picking things up. And so I think you shared, you know, at least four things that I'm seeing that can help in that crisis of confidence. So thank you.

Absolutely. Yeah, it's been interesting. And I'm still a student. You know, I read avidly, topically, things have changed over the years.

But I you know, what's interesting, Clay, last Saturday, I just turned. And this is really putting it out there because people don't necessarily think I'm this old. I just turned 60 on Saturday. Hey, congrats.

That's awesome. Thank you. I'm proud to be a 60 year old. But the last couple of years, I think I have exponentially learned more and integrated more of what I'm learning into my life than I have in the preceding 58 years.

Isn't that amazing? It's amazing. It feels like a new beginning at a relatively ripe age. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, for a lot of the listeners, they don't know what a cult hero you are within the ecosystem that we built. You know, whenever we do our conferences, everybody wanted to talk to Daven. And it's partly because you are a learner.

And it's also because, and people can tell pretty clearly by your answers, you love being around people. And, you know, you've always been great at helping others and getting people the resources they need. And but you're you know, that that combination of being a learner and being just loving being around people and those relationships. You know, that's that's part of what makes Dobbin Buck amazing.

So let's let's talk about this. You're responsible for revenue. You've got this organization. How do you help cultivate mindset in your people?

Because you've got this, you know, you've got this great culture. And as you know, as you know, and we you and I've talked about we haven't detailed it as much here. but you know that mindset is the number one key to success for entrepreneurs. And it's part of why I put you in the book and part of why I wanted to talk with you because you know this and you intentionally cultivate it.

Well, I am going to ask you, you know, one or two things that maybe, you know, suggestions that people should do in their daily or weekly or monthly routines to get into the rhythm of cultivating that mindset. But before we go there, Talk about it as a leader. How do you help people cultivate a mindset for success when you're leading your organization? Because for entrepreneurs, it's not just us.

It's we're going to build this company. We've got to also get people developing their mindset for success. Any thoughts on that? Sure, absolutely.

Well, in the early days, it's more like the energies in leadership were about getting buy-in from the culture into the leadership team, the owners of the company, myself. are we worthy of having you buy into our vision into our core values into where we're going and be able to embrace that without knowing all the details um trust is what we call it so building on trust over time through uh a proven track record of success and accomplishments and employees experiences. And we have, you know, I have employees today that have been with me for over 14 years, you know, they've hung in for this whole journey, and it's really an honor.

And so now it's considerably different in regards to mindset, because I think that the mindset comes from further down the org chart as opposed to the C-suite, so to speak. So our leaders, our middle management, we would, in a bigger company, maybe the director levels of the company or upper management, are invested and aligned with our core values in a way that they have made them their own. And there's that natural aspect of it. And then through that, creativity can be born to where they can expand upon the initial model or the idea or the vision into something that is more useful within the microcosm or within the team level.

So I think that the success today, and I pay close attention to this because it fascinates me. Everything that works and is amazing about our company that really had no direct input from me or my partners is exceedingly exciting. and promising. I get a real thrill from that, you know?

In the old days, it was like maybe a little bit of ego in there, like, oh, that wasn't my idea or something like that. Now it's like, wow, they've, you know, they've figured out some meeting rhythms, the way that they lock arms and the way that they try, the way they don't punish each other for making mistakes, like with John Maxwell talking about, you know, we're learning from our mistakes, you know, we're failing forward, right? And so there is a culture of analysis and reaction that says, hey, this loss or this failure, this mistake probably saved us hundreds of hours or hundreds of thousands of dollars or whatever moving forward.

So it was very beneficial that we had to go through this challenge. So I see the leaders within the company being able to recognize, celebrate people, lock arms with them. No person is left alone in a mistake. No person is penalized for having spun their wheels or gone in the wrong direction for a moment or something like that.

It's really a togetherness. And in that is some safety. And when we're talking about mindset, we want to, I think all of us, but employees in particular, they want to feel valued. They want to feel as though they bring value.

They want to feel as though they have a voice. And when I say feel as though, but they don't really know they do. Okay. It's not as though they do have a voice and, um, and that they aren't alone, that there is a togetherness that is meaningful in a manner that is far beyond accomplishing a set of goals or even alignment with the vision.

It is something that is highly personal and very special. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, you've done an amazing job of of creating a culture there that people, you know, recognize how special it is.

They love being a part of it. And you, you know, I know that you went through the elite entrepreneurs program and got the purpose values mission in place many years ago, and then you've just reinforced that over time. And by the way, Brett and I are working on an elite entrepreneurs, Phoenix Forward Elite for our software companies, which I'm really excited about because, you know, I, this is the leadership, We talk about the six keys and leadership is the sixth key but then it goes right back into the first key of mindset and it becomes a cycle of how you drive through leadership you drive that mindset across your company that enables people to be to win to be successful and you've done an amazing job of that and um again it doesn't you know it doesn't it doesn't surprise because you care so much about people and that comes through and and so you're right when people feel like they're valued and and they're able to give value, and they're feeling a voice in things, and they have some psychological safety because it's okay to make mistakes.

We're going to learn from that and get better. Those are all part of what you've created there to create a culture where people can have a mindset that's not cluttered with a bunch of other stuff. They can just focus and be their best on the job and in building the company. So I love that.

Let's talk for a second about ego. and how ego can undermine entrepreneurs. Because I see both sides. There's the fear part of it.

There's the pride part of it and kind of arrogance and getting the hubris, I guess we'll call it, when things are going well. But the reality is I really believe that Ryan Holiday nailed it when he said ego is the enemy. and that if we are not constantly attuned to that as entrepreneurs, especially as the business becomes more successful, but also when it's struggling because the fear part of it and the lack of confidence, and it's all the ego trying to take control, trying to keep us safe instead of doing what we need to do to build our company.

So talk a little bit about what you've seen in your experience and how, you know, I'm always interested in hearing how people use, like techniques and tricks to outsmart the ego, their own ego, to not let their ego bring them down. So maybe share a little bit about what you've seen in the ego and maybe a trick or two that helps you to stay on top and not let the ego take control. Wow, there's a couple hours of conversation in that alone. Can you do that in 30 seconds or so?

Yeah, I think we can fast track that and i couldn't agree more with ryan holiday and i just think he's a a brilliant and amazing author uh to begin with um but you know the confusion of self-confidence which we were talking about earlier and ego are two completely different things and i think that one when it's authentic and realistic the self-confidence is a amazing tool that can carry us through a lot of chaos or challenges and things like that the ego is where we are there's two sides of our being and one side is this solitude this individual this i am dauben that is disconnected from the rest of the world and then there's another aspect of being that is that we're all interconnectedness um and where this applies in business and where this applies in in ego in the workplace is when and it wouldn't have to be a leader ego can exist from yeah anywhere on the on the org chart one of your core values is we leave ego at the door you know i'll never forget that and i think it readily applies to family life business life and every type of life go visiting the gas station it applies and the thing is is that with ego it really doesn't serve anybody it's a protective measure i believe that that individuals fall into the trap we the monkey mind the the chitter chatter that enters into our con uh consciousness around i'm not being treated fairly i'm not respected properly uh I'm better than that.

Don't they know who they're talking to? All these things come in. And we might think to ourselves, where do these thoughts originate? Because I did not ask for them.

I did not reach out to my mind. Oh, please, could you send me some ego to screw up my day and upset people around me? No, it's some sort of lesson that needs to be learned. And we interpret it as a mandate for an operational mandate because it's entered our mind.

Key is to separate oneself from that stream of consciousness, to be an observer of it, to take what is useful from it and to let what isn't useful pass. Right. I love how you just said that. It's observe it and ask ourselves, is it useful?

This is what Coach Steve talked to me about a lot of times is, okay, is that thought useful? And when we're going super fast, and especially for a type A entrepreneur, just going, going, going, going, it is amazing how that ticker tape of thoughts can go unobserved. and very subtly we are operating on thoughts that are not useful, that we didn't stop to go, hey, is that helpful to me, to my family, to the company, to others, to mankind? Is that a useful thing?

And so I love your point about observe it and ask, is it useful? Yes. And a lot of people, when you bring up the word ego, are saying, oh, like in the influencer world or I'm so great or, you know, the very surface superficial level of ego. And that's, you know, it's it's it goes way deeper.

It goes all the way to the seed. It goes all the way to the core in the smallest little details about how we operate, how we interrelate with business, how we interrelate with one another and recognizing it. Certainly, I am not a model of perfection in regards to overcoming the ego or something, but I do have a relationship with the ego that is manageable. And so I pay attention to it.

And this is an ongoing daily practice. I have different things that I do on a daily basis that help me to regulate that. and to help me to not avoid suffering without throwing my self-serving notions into the equation. Yeah.

If you know what I mean. Absolutely. And I want to get to that. We'll end on that part of just some of the practices that you do to manage the ego and to cultivate a positive mindset, a winning mindset.

that. But I really, I want to just circle back to something you said earlier, and then you just touched on again, because I think it's really important about ego. You started this portion of the conversation by talking about the self and, you know, your own self, and then the interrelatedness to others. And at the heart, you know, the ego is serving self.

It is, you know, It's a self-serving, protective, preserved safety and appealing to the amygdala in our brains, that monkey, you know, that lizard brain, as Seth Godin calls it, the monkey brain. But it's the lesser self. It's the smaller self back there. And it's just trying to run to make sure that we're safe.

You know, we needed that self when we were, you know, in the early days of trying to fend off wild animals to preserve our lives. We don't need that so much these days. We can rely on the interrelatedness much more. And I appreciate you calling that out because I appreciate it coming from you because I've observed that in you.

I've observed how, you know, coming back full circle to the beginning of the conversation, how you surround yourself with people and relationships who help you grow and be better and who you get positive energy from. and you know when we have that we don't have we don't have the fear running us we don't have the insecurities running us and I I appreciate your calling out the self-serving nature of the ego and the self versus the the way that we can be interrelated to to you know curb against those natural tendencies yes so talk about your some things you do you know maybe on a daily or weekly basis to cultivate a positive mindset and to ward off that ego that would do us in this is my favorite topic of all um because i love it so much 23 years ago when i got cleaned up uh i wound up living in a basement under a rich person's house and I would walk a lot.

And there was this bald headed guy in the neighborhood that had just come back from Japan, a Zen monk. So he had been in Kyoto at a Rinzai Zen monastery, came back to the United States. I started talking to him and he said, hey, would you like to come over to my house and I'll teach you how to meditate? First red flag, weird bald guy from Japan wants me to come to his house.

Got over that, took a leap of faith and went. And he took the time to teach me how to do what's called Zazen, so seated meditation. We sit on a Zafu, which is a round cushion, and under that is a Zabutan, which is a rectangular square cushion. And so for 23 years, I've been meditating.

and it's a daily part of my regimen today but let me i'll give you a little quick blast of my daily routine i um have a finished sauna i built a meditation deck in my house so i have a finished sauna that uh allows up to six people to have a sound together it has the stones in it and we'll ladle. I can pour water on it, get things steamed up. I do this at 176 degrees Fahrenheit. That would be 80 degrees Celsius.

That's like the sweet spot for me. 15 minute sessions. I come out of that. I do a cold plunge.

So right here at my house where I am, I've got a river in the backyard, which has trout. I love fly fishing. Many people know, but I do a sauna plunge, sauna plunge, dry off and sit for 30 minutes. Now, within the context of those daily practices, it to achieve a certain stillness within myself that I can slow down that ticker tape parade of entrepreneurial hundred thousand thoughts coming at mock speed all the time When I go through that contrast therapy between hot and cold, it chills me out.

I do this stuff in silence, right? Unless my wife's with me in the sound and then we might banter a little bit. But then when I sit, I'm in this very calm space to where I can, we talked about the observer, to where with breath work, I can follow my breath. And then as thoughts enter, it's moving slower, it's in slow motion, to where I can say, just quickly, oh, isn't it interesting that the ego or the mind, the monkey mind, the lizard brain is feeding me this right now?

now, I can observe it and allow it to pass because this is not the time for creative problem solving or anything. This is the time for stilling myself to where when I come out of this practice back into the world, so to speak, that I'm bringing that stillness with me. Then if I schedule myself to be creative. I schedule myself to problem solve.

I'm coming at it with a more palatable canvas, right? To be able to do that. So I don't use those time periods like, oh, I've gotten this great inspiration and meditation. It is about calming me, slowing things down.

So then when it comes time and I schedule myself, I'm a big scheduler on when I put time in my calendar to think about things, not just meetings, you know, think about this. People think I'm weird, but it works for me. So I do that every day and there's more to it, but that's the core of my work with the mind that I do it without fail, unless I'm traveling. It's so powerful.

There are listeners right now all across the spectrum of loving what you're saying and not understanding what you're saying and maybe even saying oh I don't I don't like that I can't do that I tried meditation doesn't work for me and I will just say this entrepreneurs and leaders who are clear win getting clear is so valuable getting clear on a topic getting clear with your team getting clear with your vision getting clear on how to handle a thorny situation. Getting clear is incredibly valuable and incredibly powerful in growing businesses.

And I will tell you that when we were growing at times, I was not as clear as I needed to be. I didn't learn how to do this. And I'm not as good as you are, Dobbin. I have routines that work for me very effectively.

But I'm learning how to get better and better at meditation. and it helps me to get clear. And the whole point of how do you get clear is you slow down the insane amount of thought that is going on inside of an entrepreneur's head. And it's crazy how much is going on.

I mean, when I say the chaos starts in the mind, it is just, there's so much going on, especially if you are a type A, ADHD, driven, ambitious entrepreneur. The thought process is it's so difficult to manage my coach years ago said hey it's time for you to learn meditation and I tried it and it didn't work for me I was frustrated and I tried it a few different times I tried a few new ways and he was kind of could see that okay well let's not force this but a few years later I learned it I learned how to slow my mind down to observe my thoughts to really I ask is it useful and in the process of all that I learned how to get clear and whether you use you know a Zen monks practices or you use any of the more modern mindfulness techniques that are shared or you use probably the most ancient ways of you know spirituality with prayer and scripture whatever however you do it it is the point is this I hope everybody will hear the point is slow your mind and get clear it's incredibly powerful and for this guy who speaks you know a million miles a minute and going like crazy I I found I have to do that and as I got older I started to realize oh okay I see the benefits I get it but to my younger self boy I wish I could help the younger self see that and to this day there are days where I get all sped up have the conversation with Sharice regularly yeah you're too sped up right now I can see it thank you hon you're right and and it's important that we have those practices and then I you know as I call out in conquer the chaos midday pauses moments where you are able to slow it down because what I found Dobbin and you are saying it is that the Steve used to tell me miracles happen in space used to say that all the time miracles happen in space and the space has to get created in our mind we have to slow it down we have to and then when that happens is we get thoughts of inspiration of recognition of reflection of oh this person I need to talk to about this or this issue why don't I why didn't I think of that before I can handle it this way and so I really appreciate you taking us through your routine of how you use sauna cold plunge meditation to get clear yeah I really appreciate it and you know an interesting thing Clay a lot of people you know you are not yet on the list but many people from around the world have come here to North Georgia and hung out with me for a few days.

And so a lot of times they want to learn fly fishing. I'll teach them and get them on a big trout. They get the hero shot for Instagram, speaking of ego. And, you know, we do that, but it's all about bringing people in for a few days, working through some strategy or some business oriented goal for that visit, and then taking a full day to really learn how to relax, to let go of the busyness of our entrepreneurial desires and other things, and to be able to step away from that for a minute.

And though people get a benefit of whatever strategy or operational efficiencies, hiring, etc etc they're working through they want to come visit me for the thing that they reflect back on about the journey more than anything is those silent peaceful moments in nature when we're meditating or they've joined me for a sauna or we've done the fly fishing we've been out in the river and i have a whole ritual around fly fishing as you would imagine and how to be in the moment with that it's not about fly fishing it's about anything if tennis it could be it's a practice that could be applied to any art form or pursuit or sport so they can take that home with them and to be quite honest that is what i most enjoy teaching i get people here thinking they're going to fix their business or learn something about improving their business the reality of it is we're going to work on each other.

Right back to success number one. Get the mindset right. Well, I love it. I love you, Dobbin.

You're amazing. We've known each other for years, and I appreciate the human being you are. You're fantastic, and what you do to help small businesses succeed with Get You Wired is great. I don't know how many customers and partners we've had who have benefited, but the ripple effects of your success are just fantastic.

So thanks for taking a little bit of time. For those who want to know more about you or what you're doing, how can they get in touch with you, Dobbin? Well, with the agency, Get You Wired, that's G-E-T, the letter U, W-I-R-E-D.com.

Get you wired.com is a gateway to get in touch with my organization. But to get in touch with me personally, if something I've said has inspired you, or have a question or would like to be friends, I'm the only Dobbin Buck in the free world. So I'm easy to find on LinkedIn.

I'm easy to find on Instagram. I have since taken myself off of Facebook, so I'm not there at all, but through social media, I'm easy to find. And I love meeting new people and collaborating. And you just never know where the next amazing friendship or seed of wisdom or idea is going to come from.

So I'm always eager to meet new people and have some fun and, you know, get it on. I love it. All right. Well, Dobbin, thank you for being with us here talking about mindset and the ways we cultivate our minds.

and I just, you know, I'll share just for entrepreneurs, if you're in that place where you're just, you know, you hear, I don't know how I can do that. There's two things I want to suggest. Number one, the number one success factor I've seen in successful people is they wake up early. And so just wake up a little earlier to find a little time.

And if you start to cultivate that, you will find that you want to feed that more and more and more. And number two is simply breathing, we get so sped up that we don't breathe. Five and a half seconds in, slowly in a breath, five and a half seconds out, slowly in a breath. Repeat that for one minute.

It's amazing what that simple exercise of one minute breathing for five and a half seconds in and out, but what that'll do. So if you find yourself super sped up, like I do at times, like we all do, just stop and breathe and work to get your mind clear once you've done that. When you're clear, you win. And clarity is how we get past the chaos.

So thanks, Dobbin, for taking us through that. To everybody else listening, thank you for all you do in growing your businesses and for taking a minute to learn how you can practice the number one key to success of mindset. And until next time, conquer and grow. Thanks so much for listening.

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