Taylor Lo: Catching up 5 years and 150 episodes later | #154

Speaker A: I think grade 10 or grade 11. In Hong Kong, we had this parent day. Basically, my own teacher told my mom, hey, your son is not going to be any useful if he stays in Hong Kong. He's not going to make it in Hong Kong. If you have the ability, send him somewhere else. Basically, she was saying that your son is useless because I was at one of the most prestige, all boys school, right. But I was at the bottom, the lowest, at the low. You know, I never really remembered that conversation. But my mom, you know, when I graduated from university, she actually brought that back up. That moment was like, okay, that really meant a lot to my mom. Right. Someone's saying that your son is useless, he can't make it. Just go play basketball. I mean, of course she sent me to overseas, but I kind of went through everything to get my degree, my undergrad, right. So there was one thing that kind of embedded in my mind.

Speaker B: Welcome to the Wild show with your host, Will Chang, Li Chang and Andrew Hsu. Hi. This is Will Chang, and today we have a special guest, one of my really good friends, Taylor. Taylor Liu.

Speaker A: Hi. Hi, Will. How's it going?

Speaker B: So, um, this is a special experiment. We haven't talked in a few years, and I actually went back to when we first talked on this podcast, and it was actually episode five, and it was five years ago since that first conversation. And during that time you were, uh, going to business school, you were working at Expedia, you were also playing professional basketball at the same time since those five years. And I've caught up with you sporadically, but actually I haven't caught up in the last couple years. And this podcast experiment is for us to catch up live on a podcast. But basically, since that time, you've changed your career or changed your job, you've gotten married, you've had a kid, and, and you started a podcast. Right. And so, um, I'm excited to actually cover all of that because we haven't actually really talked much about that in the last few years since we, um. Yeah. So let's get started. How are you doing, Taylor?

Speaker A: Well, first of all, thank you, Will, for having this special experiment with me. Right. I'm doing great. Kind of tired, but I'm doing great. Life is good. Like you mentioned, the last time we chat was really five years ago. And, uh, within five years, so many things changed within my life. And I'm sure there are changes in your life as well. Right. And I'm just really excited to go into everything for the past five years.

Speaker B: Yeah. So I Think probably the question that I want to ask first is, what is it like being a father and being a husband? Because at the time, I remember you're still single and, uh, yeah. So that transition has happened pretty quickly. So what's that transition been like for you?

Speaker A: It's actually quite amazing. You know, I was single for quite a while. Like, I was really dedicated with, um, basketball work and then B school. Right. And then I met my then girlfriend, now wife at lkf, you know, at a club. It's kind of like a fairy tale story. Right. I met her in a club. Um, we hit it off really well, and then we got engaged within the first year that we kind of, you know, were together. And then we got married. And then within a few months, she got pregnant. So everything happened in like a, uh, split second. You know, like, imagine five years. We haven't chatted in five years. And now I'm expecting my second son.

Speaker B: My second daughter having a second one. Oh, wow. Congratulations. I didn't even know you had a coven dollar card calling. What does she do?

Speaker A: She's due end of January.

Speaker B: Wow, that's really soon.

Speaker A: Yeah. So go back to your question. Right. Um, being a dad now, it's like having more responsibility. Like when we met or when we hung out, you know, we could just do whatever we wanted. Right. Like, no, no responsibility, no pressure in life. But now it's like when I wake up, I think, like, okay, I need to do good today so that eventually I can take care of my son. Especially like in today's day and age, it's just so crazy. Like, things are so unpredictable, unstable. All I can do is to try my best to provide whatever I could for my son and my daughter in the future. And regarding, uh, of being a husband is like, I think it's more like having a wife that really supports you. Like, no matter what you go through, you have someone that is next to you that are on your side, in your corner, and just be there whenever you need help with someone to talk to. I think that's the most important part. Before, I didn't have anyone to talk to. Like, deep conversations, especially with, like, pressures and like, troubles that I'm facing. Now that I can talk to her, she can give me her perspective and then m from that, and then I can kind of go off and kind of do my own thing. Yeah.

Speaker B: You mentioned in today's world, instability. Could you expand a little bit more about that and tell me a little bit more about, like, what you mean by that?

Speaker A: Yeah. Since you're in the US and I'm in Hong Kong. It might be a little bit different, but the overarching theme, I think, is still very similar. Uh, for example, is AI going to change the world? Right. Are people going to be unemployed because of AI? And now that I've switched to a global social media company, like, we are in the front of the AI revolution. And I just feel like there's so many uncertainties, especially for, let's say, how I raise my kid. Because the way that we were raised might not be useful for him in the next 10, 15 years. Because you probably don't need to know the history of, let's say, America, for example. Right. Because with one click, you can get all the answers. It's more like, how do you ask questions? Uh, critical thinking. So these are the uncertain things that I think is changing on a daily basis where I kind of feel like there's no security as well.

Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I remember. So five years ago, I remember the conversation. Actually, it was September 2020, right, during COVID and you're working for a travel company, and that was a crazy time, and that was very uncertain. And now you're at Meta. And I know a lot of these, uh, big tech companies are implementing AI and there's a bit of a stress because you don't know who's going to get let go in terms of they hired a ton during COVID and now basically they're doing these things where they're trying to figure out who to cut every single year. And there's a lot of pressure there. And I can imagine not only that part of it, but also seeing kind of the consumers having more AI access and what that looks like and what does the world look like today. I know that as you're thinking about AI, you're also thinking about what is your unique value add in contribution to society and how can you be not AI'd out, but how can you be, um, figure out what your superpowers are and how you can contribute to society and add value to society? Like, where are you at with that?

Speaker A: That's. That's great, great, great question. Um, you mentioned I started a podcast. Right. Just to give a little bit more context, I started a podcast because of you guys. You know, like, my first time being a guest was on your podcast, and five years ago when podcast just kind of started, like, overall, you know, and then I just felt like it's a great way to communicate with people, connect with people, because that was during COVID And then fast forward to Five years later with all these uncertainties, like the reason why I'm doing this is because like in real life experience are more important than just virtual. And for example, my podcast, dwit, it's all about like the journey, the obstacles, the setbacks and how do you overcome it? Because we can all look at success online, right? Like Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, there plenty of like content showing like, oh, this person is so successful driving a Ferrari, you know, Lamborghini, blah, blah, blah. But not a lot of people actually talk about the whole process, the journey, right? And when things are uncertain, you need something to comfort you and just some, some like juicy content where it might actually be quite boring, to be honest. But if you are going through something and you somehow clip, like clicked onto this clip, you might resonate with it. I think that's what I wanted to contribute as of now, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, when I look at your podcast and the video and I'm like, man, I pinged you. Cause like, man, it's so high quality and it makes it feel like such a high production. And I'm very curious about how you do it. Uh, but I think before we get into the guests and I would love to dive into each of your guests, cause they're all very unique and interesting, I wanted to actually ask you about the why because when you talk about setbacks, I think it's kind of a sports themed podcast a little bit and we talk about setbacks. You had a lot of, uh, setbacks in your own basketball career, right? And I'd imagine that that's kind of where the heart of the questions are coming from is like, what do you do when you face these setbacks? So just to give a little bit of context of how you set up this podcast, can you go into the setbacks that you've you faced with your basketball career?

Speaker A: Yeah. So that's a great question. Will. You know, the reason why I started this podcast is because three years ago I tore my ACL and my whole life has been about basketball, right? So I was competing at the highest level in Hong Kong. I was at the best shape, but I was more towards the tail end. I was like 35 years old, but I was at the best shape. And then off season during a men's league, I tore my ACL and like it just went black in front of me, right? Like everything that I've trained so hard for the past six years, all of a sudden with one step that I've made a million times, it just snapped. Tearing ACL is like six to nine months recovery minimum, minimum. So at that moment I was like, what should I do? Like, my life was surrounded by basketball. No matter if it's work or like my daily life, there are basketball elements in there. So I started having different thoughts. That was the same time I decided to go to further my education with my DBA program. We can talk about that later. But then my manager actually told me that, hey, you know, you don't have to just be the player. You could do something. Um, you can be the coach of the company team and still be actively participating while you're recovering. Right. So that was my first initial thought. Okay, I need to change my identity, my mindset. And then while I was doing my rehab, I told myself I'm going to record everything and then post it online. I don't care if it's good or bad, like what the quality is going to be like. At that time I didn't even know how to edit videos, but I just wanted to share, you know, like what I'm going through because a lot of people are going through the same thing. Tearing acl, uh, or tearing other injuries. It's all about the mindset. While I was doing that, I kind of enjoyed being a content creator basically. And then, and then I started having this idea of maybe let's push it further, right. Not just rehab related. What about really showing the Mamba mentality mindset that we talked about five years ago. And then that's kind of how dwit, you know, was born. Like, do whatever it takes. It's all about the mindset. It's a way of life. This is what we preach here. So that's kind of how we started the brand. And ah, it was because of one injury that happened three years ago into now that I want to translate it into more of an uh, in real life experience for people to hear, to listen to, stream online, but at the same time have a great conversation with my guests.

Speaker B: What are the guests? Can you, can you just name them and then kind of talk a little bit about them?

Speaker A: Yeah. So my first guest was actually my coach, career coach. So I've been working with a career coach for the last four years. She helped me through the transition of my jobs. Um, she helped me through my rehab process. Right. Like she also told me that it's okay to find your own identity. This is a quote from her. It's not basketball that made me special, it's Taylor who is special, which I thought was very deep. Yeah. So that was my first guess. And then I had, like, a professional basketball player, like, come in to share about his mindset, his journey. He played in Taiwan, and then his idol was Jeremy Lin, and then he actually got a chance to play against him. Right. So it's a great story. And then I also have, like, a founder of one of the most elite, um, strength and conditioning, ah, gyms in Hong Kong. And then my last one was with a physio. But, uh, she is not just a physio. She is a model. She's a content creator. She's got a big following. And then she tore acl, like, five times. Yeah. So she just finished her sixth surgery, so now she's going through the whole process again. Yeah.

Speaker B: It's crazy.

Speaker A: So that's kind of my season one lineup.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. I mean, they all seem to have a common through line, and, yeah, they all are incredibly interesting. What do you think you've learned the most from this experience so far?

Speaker A: You're not alone. Okay. As in. Okay, let me explain a little bit more. Right? As in, like, we all go through certain things in life where we feel like it's the end of our life, you know, like, this is it. But then we all somehow figure a way out to overcome this. Right. And I think the. The biggest takeaway from talking to these guests are, like, what happened to me is actually not that bad. You know, I told my acl. Sure, yeah. She told her ACL five times. Right. Like, um, you can't compare the coach, the. The gym founder. Right. Like, he started his gym during COVID Like, he put all his money in, and then Covid happened, and then he was at a, like, edge of, you know, going bankrupt. So what happened to me is just nothing. But we all have that mindset of pushing it through. Right. So that's kind of my biggest takeaway. Talking to different people.

Speaker B: Yeah. I think one of the things that I've been learning recently, or like, recognizing is actually our traumas are superpower.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And the journey that we take in the downs that we get in, what we overcome is what our gifts to the world. So whatever path or journey that we take, we actually acquire gifts because of the.

Speaker A: The.

Speaker B: The hardships that we face that we can. We can contribute. Yeah.

Speaker A: And it's important to share it, too, you know, uh, because that's what I want to do.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: To share a funny story, I, um, was talking to my wife after my first episode. I was like, I feel like I'm not talking enough. You know, I'm not sharing enough. But then she. She gave me one comment which I thought was very useful. She's like, you're not the star. You know, you're not the guest. You're just the host. You're here to learn about what happened from their perspective. Right? Yeah. So that kind of changed my mindset from that day on, you know?

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, that's how I feel too, usually on my podcast. Is that like, I'm here to make the guests look good.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And try to pull as much as I can out of the guests and make them feel comfortable. Yeah. And so that's what I do. What's crazy is that this episode is going to be the 154th episode M. And so you're fifth in 154.

Speaker A: You guys are really hardworking. Like, 154 episodes is crazy.

Speaker B: Yeah, it's a lot. So I've had my reps in for podcasts. It's gotten to a point now where we could do this, where when I was interviewing you, I can't remember anymore because it's such a long time ago, but when I was interviewing you, like number five, I must have been so nervous, but at least for now, I've done it enough times where I can just turn on a mic and we can just go. Yeah.

Speaker A: I think I'm still at the process where I need to do my research, I need to plan the structure, all the questions. I need to have everything in my mind, like the transitioning from segments to segment, and then I go for it. I'm still at that phase.

Speaker B: Well, yours is a little bit different because you actually are doing it live with video in person.

Speaker A: Yeah. Right.

Speaker B: Whereas for me, it's all audio and then it's, um, remote, so I can have notes up. And so it's completely different in that the stage that you're playing at is way more intense than what I'm doing.

Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you. But, yeah, I feel like I want this. Right. I like this because it is also great. But, you know, having like the. In real life experience, hearing from them, like seeing their emotions, reactions, that is like a next level shift that I think is great.

Speaker B: Yeah. So tell me more about how you prepare and tell me more about the setup. How does it look so nice and professional?

Speaker A: Okay, let me kind of take a step back. Right. So, for example, if I were to interview you as a, as a guest, Right. We might have a session like this just to share where I'm at, you know, where I'm coming from, what is dwit and then I will usually ask a question. I'll be like, will, are there any things that you want to share top of mind right now that you think is important? It could be something that you're working on, something that you feel like. Or a lot of times, let's say like the physio, you know, they're opening a new, new new location. Right. So that was like the main thing. And then, and I like to go back and understand the whole story. Like for example, if will you want to talk about, um, let's say you're starting a new startup. Right. Like then I want to understand why are you so interested in startup. Right. Or. And then it might go back all the way to being in Beijing. You know, how it influenced you, seeing the world differently. And then I like to do it in a more storytelling way. So it starts from the beginning to what is going on, like what are the obstacles? And then the dwit moment is where, how they did whatever it took to overcome it. And then the last one is more like a rapid find questions or sometimes we have some different segments or things that they want to share. Yeah. So that's kind of like the whole flow of the pod. And then once I had this initial chat, then we will be like, I'll be, I'll wrap, write everything down and I'll use different AI softwares to help me streamline and brainstorm. And then usually this takes a few days, as in I'll come and work on it for a few hours. I'll go work, I'll go play basketball and I'll come back. I'll use a different AI software and I'll try regen and see what other things comes up. Right. And then I'll send a version to the guest so that they can prep. Um, just to understand where I'm coming from. If time is allowed, we'll have another session, another pre recording session so that we're all aligned because it's live and it's kind of live and it's in person. Right. You kind of need to be on point as well. And then I go for it. So that's kind of the whole setup, the whole flow of how I prepare.

Speaker B: Amazing. And then what's the setup like production wise?

Speaker A: Oh, this is, this is another story I can tell you. Like I feel like I've been constantly optimizing how I'm doing this. Right.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: So the first two, the first two episodes I did it with a crew. What the first crew that I worked with. So we have a person that comes in, she's more like a director. And then there's a cameraman that will have like two cameras, lighting, and then setup is going to take usually 45 minutes. And then because I'm in Hong Kong, right? Like, I need to go rent a studio. Renting a studio could be 50 bucks per hour USD. Right? But then if you want to shoot videos within the studio, it costs like 150. So my cost just boom, goes up. And then. And then my first crew, like we were still trying to work together.

Speaker B: Uh, these are friends or these are people you found or how did you. Was your crew. How did you find a crew?

Speaker A: It was a friend of friends. M. Yeah, it was pretty expensive. Like my first two episodes, I think the total cost was like 3000 USD. M. For the equipment, shooting, studio, editing, etc. 3000 yen per episode. M. Because it was my first. First time. So I'm like, I just have to pay in just to learn and see how things go and it will optimize along the way. Right, right. And then after two episodes, like, I just can't. Right? Like. Yeah, I mean, I love doing this, but I just can't be spending a few thousand per episode. You get what I mean?

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A: And then, and then I found another crew which is, uh, another friend, a really close friend. And then he was able to do a half price, half the price with even more cameras. So we started off with only two cameras. So just like this, you know, it would be facing you and facing me. And then we added in another third camera where we have the shot of a wider shot.

Speaker B: Do they provide the cameras or do you have to buy your own cameras?

Speaker A: Oh, they provide everything. I usually just bring my mics.

Speaker B: Yeah, got it.

Speaker A: Yeah. So we started working on. I started working with that crew and then I started to look for guests where they have their own spot. M. You know?

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A: Like. Like the gym, the physio. They have their own spot and it's. It's better for them as well.

Speaker B: Right. Uh, it also changes it up too, the videos. And then you can actually. It's actually more interesting because of the background and stuff.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the background. And then we can do some behind the scene, you know, whatever. Right. So that was my second version of optimization. So I'm done with season one five episode. Season one. I'm done. I've started working on season two. The first episode. I actually flew to Taiwan. I shot it in Taiwan and then I hired a crew in Taiwan. Never worked with them. Just went for it.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Um, it's actually not bad. It's also because I gained experiences throughout the first season, so I kind of know what I'm doing. I kind of know what they're doing as well. Right. And then recently I found a co working space in Hong Kong where they have this section. It's dedicated for shooting podcasts. And the cost for this one is even lower than my second one. So it started with a few thousand and then it ended with like a thousand. Now it's like 500.

Speaker B: Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker A: Yeah. And then he does all the editing, everything. Right. So I'm like, okay, 500 per episode. Okay, maybe like 3, 3, 400. It's doable for now.

Speaker B: Pretty good. Yeah, that's doable for sure.

Speaker A: It's doable because I don't. For the latest one, I just need to go there with my guests.

Speaker B: That's it.

Speaker A: They have everything set up and it's a really nice environment. And then so I'm planning on buying like packages with them and then they're going to give me even a bigger discount. So I'm constantly optimizing how I work. So that's kind of the POD side. Right. And then the editing side. There's another story I can share if you want.

Speaker B: Yeah, share, please.

Speaker A: I like to call it a light asset model right now.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: Because I'm not making any money. Right. Like this is pure expense, no revenue. So it's not even a business model. I feel like it's just uh, a side project right now. But then I need to make sure that I have enough like resource to do this. So I've split it up. I have someone who clips the highlights of the clip of the pod and then writes like the captions, the descriptions for me or brainstorm with me. So that's one part. And then once we have that done, I'll pass it to a virtual assistant. Meaning that, um, someone in the Philippines that I've never worked, never seen. We just communicate online and it's like a by project base. So I'll give them the clips, the timelines, the timestamps, and then they'll just edit the reels for me.

Speaker B: Yeah, those reels are so nice. Yeah. The reason why I actually reached out to you is like, damn, Taylor, like your reels are so amazing. How are you doing this?

Speaker A: Yeah, it's not done by me. It's actually done by my virtual assistant in the Philippines.

Speaker B: Very cool.

Speaker A: And a lot of podcasters, a lot of influencers are Actually going this route

Speaker B: Even in the U.S. so the person that actually edits our podcast is Louis, who's from the Philippines. So he does our podcast for. Actually I've used them for a bunch of podcasts. But for this podcast as well as my company parting, uh, pros podcast, we do a YouTube channel and then. Yeah, he edits that as well.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think it's super important. Super important.

Speaker B: It's so that you can work on the things that actually give you energy. Yeah. So like doing all the other things, like it's, it's just sucking up energy and you want to just focus on things that give you energy.

Speaker A: Yeah. And, and I mean, think about it. I have a full time job.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: I need to continuously like rehab my knees so that I can compete at a certain level when I play basketball. Right. I have a newborn. I'm going to have a second one. And then I'm also like in B school. Right. Like there's so many things in my life going on clipping, like time stamping. My clips are not the priority right now, so I have to outsource it. Yeah.

Speaker B: Was it helpful in establishing relationships as well with the people that you, your guests or are they, were you already close to them? How does that work?

Speaker A: Yeah, good question. So my coach, obviously we have a great relationship. Right. But then let's say for, for the professional basketball player, the, the coach, um, the founder of the gym, these are people that I competed against. The guy who I played against in the same league, he's on a different team, but I've always respected him. We never really talked, so never, never really had a relationship. But we knew each other. And then the coach, actually he trained me. He trained me before I told my acl. So he pushed me to uh, another level. And then I truly feel like, because my body, like my energy was so much stronger, but my body wasn't ready for it. That's why it snapped. So. So not all the time. I have a relationship, but I at least know them for a while. But we might not be very close. But starting in season two, I've reached out to people that I kind of don't know at all and just. And then go for it and start doing that. Yeah.

Speaker B: What was the one in Taiwan?

Speaker A: Okay, so Taiwan was kind of crazy. So the Taiwan one is actually a really good friend of mine that I've known for 30 years. He's Kento guy, but he's pursuing like a business in Taiwan. So he just started like a new cafe with a branding and marketing business together and then like their own restaurants. So I thought it was a great chance to go there and see what he has been doing and then just learn about it. Right. And share with the audience. And then I'm also going to go back and shoot another one. So this one is called Chill Taiwan, so I think it's very similar to what you're doing right now. It's Cold plungers and Hosana, so it's for recovery. So I believe they are the first one in Taipei.

Speaker B: Oh, amazing.

Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So when I went last time, I. It was originally to shoot the podcast as well, but the, the store wasn't ready. But now they finally launched, so I should be going back next year to shoot a podcast and try it out, you know?

Speaker B: Yeah. I'm going to Taipei in January. So, um, let me know that the location. Because I want to do. I want to do it.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'll introduce you to the founder. He's super chill. Yeah, I think you guys will hit it off.

Speaker B: Amazing. Thank you. How, uh, do you know him?

Speaker A: Family friend. I've known him since I was five, so I met him when I was in New Zealand. So it was family friends all the way back from New Zealand. And then now that we start connecting again. Yeah.

Speaker B: So what's your, on your, your list of like top 10 lists that you people that you're trying to go after right now? Um, what are the, what are the types of people that you try to go after?

Speaker A: Season one was really like sports and business related because that's the identity of myself. Right?

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: But then I feel like I need to branch out more. I need to learn from different people. Right. So for season two, I'm actually thinking female athletes in Hong Kong, but elite athletes. So in my pipeline, I'm thinking like someone that, um, went to the Olympics, that competed in the Olympics. Um, the first WCBA player from Hong Kong. And then I have another one that is a runner. So that's one part that I'm going to. But if you ask me, top. Top five, maybe like I wanted to. I actually kind of want to interview Jackson Wang.

Speaker B: That would be amazing.

Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think it's hard, but, you know, I think through this clip, I'm going to tag him on Social Shoot My shot. The reason why, because I've seen his being very, very active in terms of like going on podcasts, sharing his stories. Yeah. And he is, he is, um, an idol from Hong Kong. Right. Like, he is from Hong Kong. Mom's Shanghainese, I believe. So he speaks fluent Canto Chinese and English, which is the perfect representation of what we're looking for, like Asian Americans or just, you know, people that have an international mindset. But at the biggest stage. He's at the biggest stage right now.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: He's. He's incredible. One is his charisma is amazing. And then two, just. He's everywhere.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: How is he everywhere?

Speaker A: I don't know. Like, you know, I go to Thailand, it's like all, all, everything. Like is all his commercials. Right.

Speaker B: And.

Speaker A: And I feel like he is just so down to earth.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: So authentic. That's why I want to, I want to interview him. Not because he's Jackson Wang. Yeah, I want to interview him because he's Jackson Wang. But he is so authentic and down to earth where I feel like it would be a great conversation to pick his brain.

Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great target.

Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Um, if you ask me one more, I think it's never going to happen, but if I ever had the chance, like Kobe Bryant, you know, like, only if we could go back in time, you know, even like a two minute conversation with him would make my world. Yeah.

Speaker B: What would you ask him? Kobe Bryant.

Speaker A: Good question. Maybe something related to his mindset. So m. I might just ask him how, you know, how can you be so dedicated?

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: You know, just how. Yeah.

Speaker B: Amazing. So you mentioned a couple times that you not only got your master's in like business mba, but you're now getting your doctor's MBA or dba. Why? And tell me more about that.

Speaker A: So it all goes back to my injury. As a professional athlete, you train three times a week minimum with the team and then you have individual training sessions and gym sessions and rehab and in basketball games, blah, blah. Right. So imagine that chunk of my life is gone, just gone. And then I was talking to people online and then I was meeting new friends. I had more time to travel because, you know, I was recovering. And then my EMBA classmate actually told me, hey, you know, there's this program dba. You should take a look. So I went back and I took a look and I was like, okay, it seems interesting, but I never thought it was that I didn't really think about it until like I had more time. And then I applied without any prior knowledge. I didn't really do a lot of research. And then somehow I got in during that process of should I go for it after getting in? Because if they didn't, uh, accept me, I. I don't Even need to think about it. Right. But once they accepted me, I had to really think, do I want to do this for the next four years of my life?

Speaker B: That's a lot.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's four years of my life.

Speaker B: Right. Yeah.

Speaker A: And then, um, there were a few, few things that I was thinking. One is because I always wanted to be a public speaker I mentioned before or, or be some type of like, influencer in a way where you're influencing people, not selling products. Right. And I felt like having a doctor's degree might help with everything in a nutshell. And then the second part is, you know, it's very, it's very competitive in Hong Kong for the kids to get into schools. So they don't only interview the kid, they. They look at the parents. Right. So if I'm a doctor, you know, it should definitely help.

Speaker B: It should help.

Speaker A: Right? Like, no matter what.

Speaker B: Right, Right.

Speaker A: And then. And I always wanted to go back to Chinese University or other universities to, to teach, um, as a guest lecturer, um, to share my experience or what I see in the world in terms of sales and marketing or like entrepreneurship or even podcasting. Right. Like, so that was everything that I was thinking and then I just felt like, just do it.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So what do you learn or what do you do that's different from the master's?

Speaker A: We focus a lot more on research how to write your thesis. So this was very new to me. Like, I was a calm communication major, you know, I didn't need to do like a thesis thesis. I only did a presentation and paper. Um, even for my emba, it was a presentation or a project. But this time it's like, how do you identify a topic? How do you, uh, gather data online, what type of research you're going to do? What are the contributions to the society after you publish this paper, for example? So these are kind of. It's more in depth. Right. Like when you're getting my emba, it was more like case studies, learning from what corporates are doing, you know, doing presentations on a topic. That's it. It was more on the surface level, but this one is more like deep experiment type of data research.

Speaker B: Is there something specific you're working on right now?

Speaker A: Yeah, so I just passed my thesis proposal defense. So my topic is social, uh, media anomaly and corporate voluntary disclosure.

Speaker B: What does that mean?

Speaker A: Okay, so basically it's like having real name authentication when it comes to social media will affect how corporates are willing to disclose during their earnings report, for example. Yeah. So, um, just to give a Context. Right. Let's say stock message board, let's say I don't know. Or Glassdoor. Glassdoor.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: If Glassdoor requires real name authentication, then all the comments it needs to be legit. Right. You can't just type random stuff because people know who you are or eventually they can find out. So by doing this then the company can decide do I want to speak more or less, depending on what is out in the market. So if there are a lot of good things about company A that are uh, on uh, Glassdoor, then maybe they can just pull back on information sharing, like public relationships. Because the narrative is already great. But if there's a lot of hate comment, hate speeches, then they might have to come in and reshape the narrative. So I'm kind of doing this type of research, but it's more on like finance, on the finance side and we're using China as the database. So all Chinese public company, how much are they willing to express or volunteer disclose after the implementation of real name authentication.

Speaker B: Got it. So where is the real name authentication happening? Just so like I understand China is

Speaker A: the only country right now that has this policy because it is super hard, Right. Imagine, I don't think the U.S. well, I'm not sure. Like the U.S. now is kind of different, but in theory like because of freedom of speech.

Speaker B: Got it.

Speaker A: This is not going to happen in the U.S. right?

Speaker B: Yeah. So what you're telling me is that China, in order to post anything on social media they have to use their own names.

Speaker A: So okay, yeah. So basically it's like this, right? In 2010, China made this policy where all cell phone numbers need to be tied with an identity, you know, ID card. Right?

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And then in 2015 they push out all social media related or Internet related, like website, like WeChat. It needs to be tied with a cell phone number, meaning that it's tied with a real identity already. And on top of that it does a facial recognition process. So everything is kind of regulated.

Speaker B: Got it. So what you're saying is that you're studying these corporations and what they're disclosing in their financial reporting before this was implemented and then after it was implemented and seeing the changes in what's going on. That's what's happening.

Speaker A: We're analyzing the word count. So we're using like five years prior to the regulation and five years after. Right. And then uh, we take like because it was implemented 2015, so we're using 2014 as a benchmark, like let's say 1000 listed companies in China, how much are they disclosing? And then on the flip side, how much are people talking about them on these message boards? And then we kind of compare before and after, like with the law, you know, applying and then to see what are the results. I haven't done the whole study experiment yet. I'm still in the process, but this is like what I'm doing right now for my DBA thesis. And if you really think about it, I feel like this is such a great topic because having a real authentication means a lot of different contributions to the society as well. Hate speech, for example. Right. Child abuse. So these all could be fraud spams. These all could potentially be eliminated if it's proven that it helps or, you know.

Speaker B: Mhm. Interesting. Honestly, I never thought you would go this route. You know, when we were hanging out in Beijing, I had never thought this is the route you're taking.

Speaker A: I have a question for you later. Okay. Yeah, but I kind of want to share what you said. Right. Like uh, if you ask me, like getting a masses was the max that I could have done, you know, like. Yeah, I was already really, really pushing it. Like.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And then now that I'm, I'm getting my doctor's degree is like, where did this come from? You know, like.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. What was the question that you had for me?

Speaker A: I actually kind of want to ask you this. We could, you could answer this at the. Towards the end because then you might have a more full story is like 15 years ago we met in Beijing. Right. Roughly 15 years ago. What was your impression of Taylor back then? And then all the way to five years ago and then now, you know, like the. I, uh, wouldn't say evolution, but maybe the development of myself. Like from your perspective. Yeah.

Speaker B: You're still really young. Like I think when we were going to business school at the time, I felt like you weren't there yet in terms of like uh, even knowing that you wanted to do it or ready to do it. Right. I've always seen you as uh, someone that was really thoughtful and very good socially. And that was something that I really liked about you and I really picked up on and I wanted to be more like you in terms of how you were able to read situation and how you were able to bring people together and how you're able to make everyone feel comfortable and build groups. That was what I felt you were amazing at. But like from an academic perspective, I didn't even think that you had any interest in that. I thought you were just into Basketball. And you just wanted to play basketball, and you were open to kind of like figuring out work by, um, almost like sports, like. Right. Just basically going in there and, like, hustling your way into it and trying to figure things out. And it was less of an academic thing, and it was more just like, okay, let's just. Let's just use our intuition and our, uh, personality and our charisma to navigate our way through the thing and figure stuff out. Then basically, five years ago, I was like, okay, I had no idea that you would first actually try to get your mba, because I didn't think that that was something that you were interested in. And then the second piece of it was like, okay, it makes sense to me that you ended up becoming such a successful person at Expedia, but I didn't know that you'd be interested in corporate either, because your family is pretty entrepreneurial. You're like a business person. You really understand social dynamics. And that piece of it made sense to me. But then going into corporate politics and doing the institutional stuff, I had no idea that you were going to do that five years later. I'm very happy that you have a family. And that's awesome. And the meta thing makes sense to me because it's just a continuation of the Expedia route. And, and then the DWIT podcast direction completely makes sense to me because this is, I think this is who you are, like, really who you are, and this is where your talents are going to shine. And if you just keep investing in that, it's going to do really well, because I just know that the skills that you have and the talents that you have can be put into this and you'll really be able to figure out your unique contribution. Um, the doctors, I would have put myself through it. I'm just very confused about that. But I'm very confused, Very impressed by your willingness to do four years of more academics. Because I personally, I joined mba, but I dropped out a semester because I couldn't handle it anymore. So that's kind of how I feel.

Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you, Will. I have more stories to tell you, to share with you. Right, okay, let's go from when I was 16 years old. So basically, I think grade 10 or grade 11, like, you know, in Hong Kong, we had this parent day. Basically, my own teacher, like, teacher told my mom, hey, your son is not gonna be any useful if he stays in Hong Kong. He's not gonna make it in Hong Kong. If you have the ability, send him somewhere else. You know, basically, she was saying that your son is useless because I was at one of the most prestige all boys school. Right. But I was at the bottom, the lowest, at the low. You know I never really remembered that conversation. But my mom, you know, when I graduated from university, she actually brought that back up. So she was, I remember what someone said like when you were blah, blah, blah. And at that moment was like, okay, that really meant a lot to my mom. Right. Someone's saying that your son is useless, he can't make it, just go play basketball. I mean of course she sent me to overseas but you know I kind of went through the everything to get my degree, my undergrad. Right. So that was one thing that kind of embedded in my mind. And then to go back a little bit more when I was like 13, 14 or even younger, like 5, like 8, 8 to like 14. You know, I've been approached by movie producers, um, model agencies to be like those what child stars, you know.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker A: My parents didn't want me to do that. So sure, fine. You know, I, I, I had no choice. Right. I didn't know. So that was another, another thing that was in my mind. Right. And then I've always want to play basketball. I shared that uh, I got scholarships to go to college, profess I could come back and play but then they didn't want me to come back. Fine, no problem. So my whole life is about things that I couldn't do when I was, when I was younger. I'll do it now. Meaning that I will go play, play at the highest level in Hong Kong when I'm 28 years old. A 28 year old rookie. Right. Pretty, pretty hard to think about that. And then I was going to do my MBA in Beijing with you guys. I didn't, something happened, I didn't do it. I'm going to do it again by myself in Hong Kong. I did my emba and then I could have been a model, I could have been a really famous star by now. It didn't happen. So I'm starting my own podcast. I'm doing it on my own.

Speaker B: Yeah, I mean all the, all the things that you were supposed to be doing, now you get the chance to do them.

Speaker A: Yeah. But then I feel like it's better that I'm doing it now because I'm more mature. Like yeah, I have more resources, I know what to do. And the environment allows you. Right. Like 10 years ago you're not going to have podcasts or uh, independent people trying to do their own show. Right. But now it's possible with the Internet, with social media. All right. Like, now is the right timing. I feel like.

Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I mean I feel like you have a very unique story, a. Ah, very unique perspective. And um, even just the guests that you're talking about, I feel like in Hong Kong and just the podcast, general media in general, they're not covering the type of stories and the type of perspectives that you're covering. So. So you bring a very unique perspective to yourself. And also because it's not just sports. Yeah, right. It's business.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And it's not just business. It's like academics and it's, it's like corporations. It's like there's so many different perspectives that almost are hard to find. That Venn diagram, uh, for people because everyone kind of lives in their own silo, but you kind of have this unique Venn diagram where you're just in the middle of that and that gives you a very unique perspective.

Speaker A: I like to call myself the Connector nowadays because my Chinese name is Bridge. Right. It makes sense because I'm bridging people to people, building communities and then like minded people to share their story. Right. So that's kind of what, similar to what you're saying.

Speaker B: Yeah, it's awesome. I'm very excited to see what comes out of DWIT because I believe that if you just continue working on it, it's going to be something really cool.

Speaker A: This is hard. This is something that I need to seek your advice. You've done 154 episodes. What keeps you going? Because I put in all these work. Sometimes you don't get the view counts or like people. I feel like people watch it. But you don't get the feedback a lot. Sometimes I do. When I get it, it's great. Those feedbacks are amazing. But then you get defeated sometimes.

Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, for me, the more that I do something for the audience, the less good it is and also the less, um, motivated I am. Right. Because it starts becoming something. Okay, what does the audience want? And then you start basically doing things that you're not that interested in. So I think the most important thing is to actually continue checking in with yourself. And it's like what will give you energy and what will make you excited? M. And if you follow that, then the podcast will be really interesting because people can feel it. Yeah. And when people can feel it, then that's that. But if you're trying to just play to what the audience that you built needs or wants or are asking for that's when you get into like a danger zone. I, um, mean we've made so many pivots with this podcast. We were ah, a crypto podcast for a while. Yeah, I think the last year we've only had like one guest. It's been just me and Andrew just talking for the last year. And we're just finding reasons to use the podcast as a format for us to do things. Right. A lot of the podcast has been around building relationships. So who's interesting that we want to basically spend an hour with to allow us to actually build a relationship with them. And that's all that is enough for us is, is the relationship. Um, over the last year or so, which is I've been doing so much internal work and it's each like thing that I do and each thing I learn. It's, I, I, I sit on a podcast with Andrew and I kind of share my learnings. And in at least for the last year, this podcast has become a way for me to document my growth. And so this podcast is the tool for me to do whatever it is I want. That's how we can do so many episodes. I'm um, less concerned about who's listening. I'm less concerned about what the audience wants. Um, because this for me, at least for me is kind of like a way for me to create, um, and in order to continue creating, um, I have to basically follow my energy.

Speaker A: That's great. Yeah, I kind of have similar thoughts. Right. Instead of chasing KPIs, it's more like finding the meaning. What I meant by that is instead of chasing how many views, how many likes, how many shares, comments that people provide after you posted this shorts or reels or long form, it's like if one day people look at it and get something out of it, I'm happy. You know, it could be one person, it could be 10 people. I'm good, you know, because at the end of the day, as of now, I'm not trying to monetize, like I'm really not trying to monetize. I'm willing to, you know, spend my time, effort and even my own expense, um, to record and push out high quality content that is beneficial to people that are in need. Um, latest, the latest episode that I shot two weeks ago, she was someone that I met when I was in Taiwan and she has a very big following in the Taiwan community, the Chinese community, like 80k followers. And she's all about mindset, wellness, depression, anxiety. How do you overcome it? Because she went through that, and that was a big, big breakthrough for me because these are not the topics that I usually, you know, engage in. But, um, definitely is important for me to understand. And a lot of people are going through it, especially in today's day and age, like we talked about. So, like, I'm branching out. Like, I want to learn different stuff. Um, season two is going to be different from just basketball, uh, sports and business. It could be something mindset related. It could be female athletes, etc. So, you know, I'm constantly learning also, you know, just trying to find different energies to, to push myself.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like entrepreneurship and creation is really all about growth. Right. And so it's like you're always on this edge of like, I don't know if I can do it, so I'm a little bit scared of it, but also like, it'll be, it's really exciting at the same time. Right. And so that living that edge is actually really fun because you're constantly forced

Speaker A: to expand and grow and you're constantly discovering new parts of yourself.

Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's happening for me right now, um, with the retreat. So I'm, um, putting together another retreat in January and I've gotten all the yeses, I've collected the money and I still haven't actually figured out what I want to do yet. And so I got the yeses, I got the money, and then now I'm forced to basically really create an experience for these guys. Yeah. So, yeah, it's like I'm feeling a little bit like, uh, that tension right now.

Speaker A: You have time, you have some time. Tell me, share me about the retreat, like what you have in mind and what you have done before.

Speaker B: Yeah. So this is going to be my second retreat, uh, my third one that I've helped run. So there's three kind of main reasons, uh, why some would. My pitch is this one is being around other high performing, interesting people and having a connection with them. Second is basically a lot of the stuff that I do with coaching. Basically, how do you bring awareness to yourself? How do you feel your feelings, how do you figure out what your beliefs are? And then third is more clarity in terms of your values and uh, where you're trying to go. Right. And so the main thing for me is like, okay, first we want to establish the connection is how do we actually create a safe space for people to share and to connect. Um, and the second is like the tools that I can share with people in terms of how do you Actually be able to figure out what your beliefs are that's causing you to not get the results that you want. And how do you change those beliefs? And then just like a lot of those types of things basically. Um, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to. Because I, in my coaching, I do a lot of this and how do I package it into like a three day weekend for people? Yeah.

Speaker A: When did you pivot to become like into coaching?

Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean, I'm still doing my company when I was 33, so seven years ago, I almost killed myself. And um, I went to therapy after that. So that was the first time I actually started doing internal work. And about two years ago I had worked on myself enough where I felt good. I got married and, um, I was in a good place. But I still felt very trapped in my business. Like I had built this, this business to be free, but I felt so trapped. And then, so then I turned to this coach that kind of helped me figure out why was it that I was feeling trapped. And a lot of it had to do with actually my, my own like, trauma. Right. So my, my mom was very tiger mom and what I needed to do was grow my way out of m. My household. So I'm a very growth oriented person. I'm constantly trying to grow my way out of my household. Right. Whereas my co founder, he's lived in LA his entire life. He marries high school Squeeze Heart. He's living in the same city that he grew up in high school. And so he's very, he needs a lot of stability. So then we would trigger each other constantly because I needed growth, he needed stability. And then that's what was causing kind of the negative energy. And then so through the coaching process, I realized what was being triggered within me and what was being triggered within him. And then we changed the energy and things have just been doing really well in the business. And as I was going through that process, I found out that coaching was something that I was like, we did like a360 with friends asking friends like what, what I was good, uh, at. And everyone just said I was, I was good at coaching. He's like, do you want to try coaching? And then, so then I just started experimenting with that. It started out with charging my friends $3,000 over three months and over like the last year and a half. It's become like a real business now. So I'm doing like the packages that I'm doing is like $15,000 for six months. And um, I've just literally hired two coaches this week to grow the business. So I have one coach that I'm paying $42,000 for over three months to help me expand the business, and then another Coach I'm paying $3,000 a month to, um, basically help me become a better coach. And I'll tell you, how I got there is like, uh, so I knew that coaching was my calling, especially healing Asian American men. And I wanted to basically figure out how to expand that to the biggest possibility. And so what I've been working on over the last couple of months is like, what. What can I hold? Right? How. How much can I hold? And like, what is the. What is the. Like, if I'm trying to kill Asian American men, I'm trying to coach Asian American men. What is the most scariest, most intimidating thing to do? It's coaching Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia. And so if Jensen Huang were to, uh, ask me, hey, Will, can you coach me? I couldn't hold that. I was too intimidated. So it was a lot of basically work of me visualizing and basically kind of calm my nervous system. And to be able to hold Jensen Huang and be able to hold him and say, okay, if he asked me today, actually I feel confident enough to hold him, to actually coach him that piece. And also I can create enough value in coaching that I can generate $100 million. I had to work my way up from slowly. I, uh, had to basically every day, morning, just visualize and basically hold it more and calm my nervous. But I've gotten there now. And because I've gotten there now, what are the beliefs in the nervous system that that version of Will has that can coach Jensen Huang and is making $100 million a year? I'm taking that belief system putting into me. And then now, today, what does that person do? He hires two coaches that he's willing to pay that much money for in order to get better. Right. And so that's kind of like my process.

Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. Because, you know, the last guest that I talked to, I asked her about this, something similar, right? Like, I asked her for high performance, right? Pre event. What can we do to make ourselves, you know, more calm? So she shared a few things, right? Visualization. So what you talked about, you know, as much details as possible so that you kind of can limit the surprises, uh, on stage or event day. And then the other one was breathing, you know, deep breathing. 4, 7, 8. That's what she talked about. So I m, uh, agree with you. And, uh, I mean, You. You are doing great, great stuff. I think being able to coach is a talent. It is really a talent. It's not easy. Like. Like, I'm a basketball coach now. It's not easy. Like, even something that I'm so good at, you know, it's so different. Like, you might be able to play, but doesn't mean you know how to coach. Right? So for you, you know, identifying the strength and talent of you on that side and then being able to really showcase it, I think is another. It's great.

Speaker B: Yeah, it's really fun for me because in order to be paid the amount of money people are paying me, I have to become the person that people are willing to pay. Right. And in order to become the person people want to pay. And I'm sure it's just like being a coach for basketball, too. You have to basically continue to improve, right. And you have to continue to level up. Right. And so it's like a fun game where, like, I'm constantly trying to level up. Every month I'm doing something. I went to Joe's Dispenza this month. Last month, I went to, like, a. Like, a men's leadership retreat. The month before that, I went to Tony Robbins. I just hired two coaches. So I'm constantly trying to level up so that I can basically be the person that people are willing to pay or want to pay. Right. And for me, it's like, okay, how do you find the thing that what is feels like play to you? That feels like work for others, right? And that's your competitive edge. And all of this stuff for me, feels so much like, fun. And it's not. It doesn't feel like work at all. And I'm willing to do this because it's so fun for me. And that's why, like, I can do this. And I think that's what everyone needs to find.

Speaker A: Yeah, I agree, like, 100%. Like, similar, similar, very similar. Like, doing the pod, to me, like, doing a pod nowadays is like playing a real important basketball game. Because m. The podcast is about 45 to an hour, like, ish, Right. A full game of basketball, like, at the highest level is around, like, an hour and a half. But it's not just that hour and a half. It's about putting the work in before, right? And then once you play the game and then the debrief afterwards, you know, the adjusting, which is like our editing, you know, like fine tuning how to really showcase the final product. So I kind of use podcast to replace that highest level competition mindset.

Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. I mean, it feels. It's a performance.

Speaker A: Yeah, right? It is.

Speaker B: At the end of the day, it's a live performance. Yeah. You guys are basically co creating together this performance.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Uh, yeah. Yeah. It's awesome kind of seeing you do it because I remember you telling me you wanted to do it. And it's really cool seeing it become like a real thing and you putting a lot of effort into it and it becoming like. Yeah. It's just the guests that you bring on is. And it's just the video and audio, it's like, it's just such great quality. Yeah.

Speaker A: Thank you. Like, this, this. These are the comments that keep me, like, pushing and going. Right. Like, there are so many times I'm like, why am I doing this? Right. Like, uh. But then, you know, like random. I was at a wedding. I was at a wedding, and then I was walking out to the bathroom, and then some guy just said, hey, Taylor. I'm like, hey. You know, like, I don't recognize him. But then he's like, I love your podcast. I'm like, wow. Oh, thank you. You know, like, that was like. That made my day, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Uh, that was the comment that I needed.

Speaker B: Yeah. Ah, yeah. Just, if you just keep doing it, it will continue to grow. Yeah. And if you just. You just have to just find a way to keep it sustainable where you're actually continually enjoying it.

Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, that's. That's the goal. That's the goal for me. And I think one day, when I'm done with my doctor's degree, I want to do even bigger things. But I believe it's a process. It takes time. If you ask me, I'm not ready to do bigger things at this moment. But, um, by then I should be able to continue to push the boundaries. I think that's the goal.

Speaker B: Yeah. So dwit your podcast. Do whatever it takes. What is your vision for it?

Speaker A: I tell myself this. Okay. This is something that I've never really told people. I want to be able to sell out stadiums. That's the goal, you know? Sure. You might think I want to sell stadium to make a lot of money. No, it's not that. It's like, I want to be able to influence people in a way where I share positive message through some crazy stories. Right. And then with my guests, and then, uh, that being part of who I am in the future, it also helps me to shape, to show my kids in the future. Like, you know, daddy is an influencer. You know, he's trying to do good to the world. That's kind of what I'm thinking right now for dwit, of course it's going to change eventually. I want to monetize through dwit, but in a more organic and positive way. Right. Like, if I had the chance to do, like, commercials or sponsorships, like, I don't want to just do random sponsorships that pay me a lot of money. I want to do things that actually relates to the brand that I resonate with. Right, yeah. So that it's more meaningful. Yeah.

Speaker B: I love that tangible vision of. Of being able to sell stadiums. I think one of the things that. Because I've been working on this a lot, but basically one of the things that you could do is just every morning, just visualize that, what it is, what does it feel to sell out that stadium? And like, basically what does it feel to stay on the stage, in that stage, because what ends up happening, and I'm going to tell you this, this is actually happening to me, is that the more you train your brain, that that's the end goal. I think it's called the reticular activating system, but basically your brain will start wired to find opportunities to get you there.

Speaker A: M. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker B: There's two things that happen, right? One is that if you buy a Tesla, you'll start seeing Teslas everywhere. The Tesla are always there. But then it's just your brain is trained to see the Teslas, right? And so if you can basically imagine selling out at the stadium and actually feel it, and actually it feels like a calm energy where you've done it before so many times that it's like you're almost taking it for granted. The first thing is that your brain will be trained to start finding solutions to get there in an easy way. And the second one is that anytime you hit, like a moment of a limiting belief, right, that limiting belief will be trained out of your nervous system already because you've already imagined yourself there already. So that's worked for me. And so if that's what you want to do, just really practice that visualization part of it.

Speaker A: Yeah, I'm going to do that. And then also I think it's right, because I always have that in mind in the back of my head. I mean, I don't constantly think about it, but when I do, I really think about it at the same time. And then I'm looking for different events. Right. Like the new place that I'm shooting my podcast now, we actually had A chat. And then they were like, oh, we can actually do a live event with, like, 20 audiences, you know, and then they can set up food and drinks, which I think was perfect. Right. Like, you're gonna start small. M. You're not gonna jump into a stadium right away. Right. You're gonna start small. Five to 10 people see the reaction, feel the energy. You need to practice. Right. You need to practice yourself, too. So. So I think that that's one of my goal for this for next year, for 2026, I'm gonna do a live event with a guest and then. And then just learn it, absorb that energy, and go for it, you know?

Speaker B: Yeah. Amazing. I'm excited for you.

Speaker A: Yeah. So that's. That's kind of what I have in mind.

Speaker B: Cool.

Speaker A: So Will you. You mentioned you will be going to Taiwan in January, right?

Speaker B: Yeah, January. Yeah.

Speaker A: So just Taiwan. You won't be coming to Hong Kong.

Speaker B: It'll be Taiwan. And then we're going to spend a few days in Bali.

Speaker A: Oh, uh, yeah.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Uh, okay. I'll introduce you to chill so you can go check it out. Um, Jan is going to be hard for me to go find you in Taiwan because of the baby, but, you know, I do have plans to go to the US in 26. In 2026. And then. Or if you ever come to Hong Kong, we should definitely, like, do, like, a live session together, like, in person, feel the energy. You know, if everything works out, we could probably do the live event together too, you know? So, yeah, I'm very excited. I'm very excited for next year.

Speaker B: Yeah, I have a place to stay in la, so if you want everyone to come to la. But yeah, I am very excited to do a live event with you.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Uh, so really glad we got to catch up. Thank you so much, Taylor. Hopefully it won't take another couple years to catch up again.

Speaker A: I'll come find you. Don't worry. I'll come find you. I plan on going to LA no matter what in 2028 for the Olympics. So the worst is 28. Yeah.

Speaker B: Okay. Sounds good. All right, thanks, Taylor.

Speaker A: Thank you, Will. Bye.

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