Leadership Under Pressure: What Fails First? | Ep. 99

1 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:16,320 SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Let's Stick a Munic Podcast, where 2 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,920 high achievers stop performing and start transforming. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,559 I'm Coach Mo, certified core energy leadership coach, founder 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,079 of the inner arena, and creator of the Swag Framework. 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,960 Self-awareness, my power, online action, and grip. 6 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:37,200 And when I'm here, retrain your mindset, challenge your limits, 7 00:00:37,359 --> 00:00:39,359 and turn pressure into purpose. 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,920 Subscribe now and join me on YouTube at Swag Coaching. 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,359 So let's get your reps in. 10 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:05,519 SPEAKER_03: And his name is Savio P. 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,319 Clemente. 12 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,640 He's a keynote and TEDx speaker, journalist, board-certified 13 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,519 wellness coach through the NBC ACC, best-selling author, and 14 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,519 healthcare leadership strategist. 15 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,799 He works with leadership teams after disruption. 16 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,400 When the crisis is over, but performance has not fully 17 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:26,879 recovered. 18 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,120 Performance usually doesn't fail first, clarity does. 19 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,239 And after 2,000 plus interviews with global leaders in his own 20 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:40,879 experience rebuilding after surviving cancer twice, Savio 21 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,400 developed the adaptive resilience leadership framework. 22 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,040 His work helps leaders cut through cognitive overload, make 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,120 clearer decisions, and avoid the quiet performance drop that 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,439 often follows high-pressure moments. 25 00:01:55,599 --> 00:02:00,400 He focuses on the intersection of healthcare, leadership, and 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,920 human performance, helping organizations operate with 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,200 clarity and consistency when it matters most. 28 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:09,360 Welcome to the show, brother. 29 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,120 SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for that intro. 30 00:02:11,199 --> 00:02:12,000 I really appreciate it. 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,719 I'm excited. 32 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:14,479 Let's see what we unpack. 33 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,000 SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, man. 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,680 But first and foremost, where are you checking in from? 35 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,159 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. 36 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:24,080 So I'm calling in and logging in, zooming in from New York. 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,759 I live about 40 miles north of New York City in a suburb called 38 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:29,120 Westchester County. 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,240 And I actually grew up in a different part of Westchester 40 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,520 County when I was smaller. 41 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:37,439 If people remember the show, the show, The Facts of Life, they 42 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,759 talked about this little town called Peak School, New York. 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,199 I'm from Peak School, New York. 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,639 I went to school in the city. 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,120 I lived in the city for many years, and I came back in a 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,080 different town. 47 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:49,199 SPEAKER_03: It's exciting moments right now in New York. 48 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,520 SPEAKER_01: It's the Knicks win after 53 years. 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,639 And I I, you and I had a little talk here. 50 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:59,280 I was a huge Knicks fan in high school. 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,719 And then I lost my way. 52 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,039 And of course, they weren't winning, so there was nothing to 53 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:03,680 latch on. 54 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:08,960 But this win feels reflective and it feels like something 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,680 that's overdue. 56 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:12,400 And when you get something that's you feel that it's 57 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,039 overdue, it's so inexpressible. 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,840 It's Steven the even Jalen Brunson of the Knicks, when they 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,840 asked him questions, he just couldn't even utter. 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,919 He couldn't even form full sentences. 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,919 It was just, it's that feeling that surpasses any level of 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,960 explanation. 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,319 SPEAKER_03: I want to get into this conversation about 64 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:36,800 pressure, composure, leadership, composure under pressure. 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:37,680 Talk about that. 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,479 How would you define the pressure aspect? 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Because I have my version of it and I want to hear your version 68 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:44,479 of it. 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,479 SPEAKER_01: Well, I need to be specific. 70 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:49,919 So I deal with healthcare leaders, and you can imagine 71 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:55,439 that pressure is super difficult because it's not only high 72 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:59,439 stakes, we're dealing with people's lives, not about the 73 00:03:59,439 --> 00:03:59,919 bottom line. 74 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,360 It's not just about money or figuring out how the 75 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,039 organization can make better retention. 76 00:04:07,759 --> 00:04:09,039 It's actually another human being. 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,719 And if they make a mistake based on compliance or bureaucratic 78 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,599 issues or the whim of the political system at the moment, 79 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:16,959 that is a serious thing. 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,439 So what I deal with is individuals that to a large 81 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:24,240 degree, and we can talk about this, you and I can go deep 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:24,480 here. 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,079 There's a mask that they put on because the uncertainty, the 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,399 need to eliminate risk is very high in that industry because 85 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:34,639 you always have to feel like you're on top of the game. 86 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,360 You have the answers, you know what to do. 87 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,800 And then you have people who, as when it comes to changing 88 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,839 anything in their life, it's not that they don't want to change. 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,680 I think most people, and you can probably agree with me, want to 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,160 change. 91 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:49,279 They're just stuck. 92 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:52,959 The pressure, the cognitive load, insanity that's happening 93 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:56,000 socially, politically, now technologically, it's just too 94 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,639 much to bear. 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,560 And so what they do, they retract. 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,639 And so the pressure that I speak with is the pressure that almost 97 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,199 feels like I need to check out. 98 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,240 I'm burned out. 99 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:07,600 I don't want to do it anymore. 100 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:08,480 This is too much. 101 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,600 A lot of people that I talk to really like to echo this 102 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,560 sentiment that a lot of people have been saying for decades is 103 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,399 that it's soul sucking. 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,160 And you know what I say, Coach Mo? 105 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,439 I say, why can't we say it's soul searching? 106 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Why can't you search for pockets of things that actually light 107 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,160 you up? 108 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:29,439 Why don't you search for things that actually can alleviate that 109 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:29,839 pressure? 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Why don't you actually figure out that first? 111 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,759 And the way to do it is you have to resource self. 112 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,519 So we can get into all that, but that's the basis of the pressure 113 00:05:37,519 --> 00:05:38,560 aspect of it. 114 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:42,000 SPEAKER_03: When we get into this environment of coaching, I 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,680 think with leadership coaches, life coaches, whatever, they 116 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,519 work with clients to help the external pressures, pressure 117 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:53,920 coming from the executive team, pressure coming from deadlines 118 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,639 that are due. 119 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,240 See, those things are external. 120 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:00,560 But I think in my approach to pressure, it's internal. 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,600 It starts there. 122 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:04,879 It starts with the overfunctioning, the 123 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:11,040 overthinking, the decision fatigue, the consistent, I gotta 124 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,519 prove myself narrative that you carry in your head, waking up 125 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:18,639 every day, knowing that someone on your team doesn't really 126 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:23,199 trust you, and you have to work extra hard, prove your worth to 127 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:25,040 this person or to this team. 128 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,279 That's draining in itself. 129 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:32,800 And couple that with this internal weight that you carry, 130 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:38,240 and that in itself creates what I call energy leaks. 131 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,800 You're leaking energy because thought power is going to 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,600 worrying of how I gotta prove myself and my worst. 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,800 And over time it becomes draining. 134 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:53,759 And then that's when you burn out. 135 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,360 That's when you start feeling the external effects of stress, 136 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,439 weight loss, health issues, and those things. 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,920 So that's how I differentiate it. 138 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,199 SPEAKER_01: And it goes back to this idea and this concept of 139 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:10,160 psychological safety. 140 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:11,920 What is psychological safety? 141 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:15,439 It's having trust, but it's also having vulnerability with your 142 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,800 team so that you can, you're actually in cohesion of actually 143 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:19,920 trying to figure out what it is. 144 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:22,879 Because I have people all the time, leadership doesn't have to 145 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:24,000 be a corporate structure. 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,199 Leadership is who you want to be, who do you want to emulate, 147 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,279 who do you want to follow, who do you want to mirror. 148 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:31,600 And if you're not self-regulating in that sense, 149 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,439 then people are like, well, I can self-regulate in the moment. 150 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:34,079 No, you can't. 151 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,680 Self-regulation should start before so that you can adapt 152 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:38,160 quickly. 153 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,199 You can actually figure out what other steps forward. 154 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,279 That's what real self-regulation is. 155 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:45,360 So completely on you on that. 156 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:48,319 And I think I think what the problems is that most people 157 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,399 feel like I can fix the external. 158 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,839 So for example, in my situation, I can fix the crisis. 159 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:56,399 But that's not where they win or lose, Coach Mo. 160 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,319 They win or lose after the crisis. 161 00:07:58,480 --> 00:07:59,519 How do I regulate? 162 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,959 How do I reorientate? 163 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,240 How do I find a we you have to be an effective leader that 164 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,279 actually channels or transmits that information in a proper way 165 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,040 so that people can actually feel you? 166 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,519 Like they can feel you and sense you and actually want to be a 167 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:12,000 part of that. 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,079 100% in agreement with you on that. 169 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:18,160 SPEAKER_03: I think it also goes back to the narrative that you 170 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,639 tell yourself about self. 171 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,399 What is that dialogue? 172 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,639 And is that dialogue positive or is it negative? 173 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:30,480 Urgency that you're not good enough. 174 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:32,720 And that affects how you lead self. 175 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,279 And I think that's where leadership comes from first. 176 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Define self. 177 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,600 How do you define the narrative every single day when you wake 178 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:41,759 up? 179 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,399 What's the lingo and the language in your mind that you 180 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:47,600 have about self? 181 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:48,879 Is it positive? 182 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:50,000 Is it negative? 183 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,320 And then if it is negative at times, because we all fluctuate, 184 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,840 how long are you there? 185 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:02,159 How long are you dwelling in this pity, guilt, feeling sorry 186 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:03,679 self moments? 187 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,080 And what's your strategy in pulling yourself out of that? 188 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,919 And I think we don't talk enough about that because that 189 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:17,440 definitely affects how we lead ourselves, and then ultimately 190 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:20,000 what our leadership style becomes. 191 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:22,399 SPEAKER_01: We're a collection of the experiences. 192 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,120 So when people are like, well, I have to actually be that way and 193 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,200 do that way, like I got caught up in a little bit of that trap 194 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:27,440 too. 195 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,639 Because I'm like, wait, okay, I'm a coach, I'm a keynote 196 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,600 speaker, I'm a TEDx speaker, I'm a journalist. 197 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:36,639 And I realized I was being dysregulated. 198 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:38,879 Not only that, but I was being disjointed. 199 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,440 I wasn't actually being uniformed in that because then I 200 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,559 realized, oh, or at least it came to me, or the information 201 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,919 was embedded, was that, oh no, I'm just entering different 202 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:49,840 doors of my expression. 203 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:53,440 And we didn't really touch a lot about, I know you mentioned 204 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,960 about being a two-time cancer survivor. 205 00:09:55,039 --> 00:09:58,399 So I had cancer initially in 2014, 10 years cancer-free, and 206 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,279 then it came back in 2024, went through a whole thing, including 207 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:02,639 a stem cell transplant. 208 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:06,399 But I told someone recently, I'm like, I can spend all day 209 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,799 speaking to you about the wound, but I'd rather speak to you 210 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:12,559 about the walk, because the walk is really what determines the 211 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,039 next steps. 212 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,080 The walk really determines the whole layout of the adventure, 213 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:19,840 or I call life as an adventure, the adventure of what we want to 214 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,080 do. 215 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,840 But if you're constantly playing the role game, then you're only 216 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,440 trying to emulate things you've seen, people you know, or the 217 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,360 role that you feel that you deserve that you have. 218 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,120 But trust me on this, as a two-time cancer survivor, that 219 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,440 could be snatched away with you within seconds. 220 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:38,399 Who are you? 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Who am I, Coach Moe, in that hospital bed tied to all those 222 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,440 machines, having nurses come every four hours, being in the 223 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,200 hospital for 29 days, in a quarantine room, losing 26 224 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,559 pounds, coming out, doing an immunotherapy for four and a 225 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,480 half months, and then five months physical therapy. 226 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:55,360 Who am I? 227 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:57,120 What is my identity in that? 228 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:57,840 Who am I? 229 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Am I this professional accolades, all the credentials? 230 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:02,320 Am I that person? 231 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,559 And this goes to a larger thing. 232 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:07,919 We mentioned psychological safety, but for me, when I did 233 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,200 it, I also created a psychological distance between 234 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,879 me and my medical diagnosis. 235 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 I was like, okay, well, who's the savio that's there? 236 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,519 And this fell into this idea of metacognition. 237 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:20,399 You know this well. 238 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,320 Who's doing the thinking of the thinking? 239 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:25,919 Who's the consciousness that actually is playing the tape? 240 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,200 It can get a little trippy, but it really forces us to actually 241 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,799 figure out for ourselves that if we don't allow ourselves to be 242 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,600 clear, like I mentioned, performance doesn't fail first, 243 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,480 clarity does. 244 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:39,279 So if we're not clear first within ourselves, we can't lead 245 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:39,919 anyone. 246 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,519 SPEAKER_03: I want to explore that. 247 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Thank you for sharing your success battle and winning the 248 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,159 fight against cancer. 249 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,159 But the framework around composure under pressure and 250 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:59,279 receiving a diagnosis like that and seeing your health 251 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,120 deteriorate in real time. 252 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:08,159 I can imagine so much worry and thoughts around not being 253 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:09,759 successful things initially. 254 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:16,159 So my real question is get that mindset to see it through in 255 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:19,039 times when your health was at its lowest points. 256 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,919 SPEAKER_01: So in 2014 is when I've got first diagnosed. 257 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,720 I did six rounds of RCOP chemotherapy. 258 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:25,919 Thankfully, it worked. 259 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,080 In four and a half months, I got a remission status. 260 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,120 I was cancer free, living the healthiest lifestyle I could 261 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:31,600 possibly live. 262 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:32,399 I had some stress. 263 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 I was in a partnership with a few other people, but it is what 264 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:36,799 it is. 265 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,639 Ended up having a relapse in 2024, literally in a different 266 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:43,759 part of my body, same cancer, different stage because and 267 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:45,120 metastasized. 268 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:47,200 So, what was I thinking? 269 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:50,320 I really was not afraid of dying. 270 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,120 Oh, this is counterintuitive to what most people think. 271 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,679 Coach Mo for me, it was, did I actually fulfill what I came 272 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,159 here to do? 273 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,879 None of us have a printed assignment, none of us knows, 274 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,919 but I felt, is this where the story ends? 275 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,240 Am I disappointing myself and other people? 276 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:07,759 What's actually going on? 277 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,799 And it wasn't, I need to make$10 million. 278 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:12,320 It wasn't any of that. 279 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,639 It was more of, did I come to share? 280 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:15,679 Did I come to give? 281 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Did I transform from this? 282 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,440 Did I evolve from this? 283 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,080 Did I become who I was supposed to be? 284 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,759 And I felt this is it. 285 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:26,080 I called a few people and they're like, one friend was 286 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,399 like, Why are you talking to me like you're never going to talk 287 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:28,799 to me again? 288 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,720 I'm like, because I really don't know. 289 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:32,879 People were telling me, they're like, oh, you survived it once, 290 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:33,679 you survive it again. 291 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 That's nice for a pep talk, but they don't know. 292 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:37,360 I don't know. 293 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,360 So I didn't fall into the machinations, what they were 294 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:41,759 saying. 295 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,600 I was more focused on, can my body handle this? 296 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:46,799 Can my physical body? 297 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,879 I know my mental self can. 298 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,879 I know my psychological self can. 299 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,279 I know my emotional self because I've dealt with the devil. 300 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,559 I know this enemy well. 301 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:55,919 So that wasn't an issue. 302 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,320 But I'm like, can my physical body actually stand a stem cell 303 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:00,799 transmit? 304 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,000 Literally, your bone marrow is completely wiped, and you're 305 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,039 given your stem cells so much so that they actually, in the 306 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:09,039 hospital, called it a medical rebirth. 307 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,559 They actually gave me another birthdate. 308 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:12,799 I thought they were talking about some woo-woo concept. 309 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:13,840 I'm like, what are you talking about? 310 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:16,879 They're like, no, we count your days after your stem cell 311 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:17,120 transmit. 312 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,360 You actually are a different person internally. 313 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:22,240 Your body is reconstituting, you're rebuilding. 314 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:23,519 So you have another birth date. 315 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:26,399 So now I like to joke around and say I have a birth date in this 316 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:29,360 in the winter, my official birth date, and have another birth 317 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:30,240 date in the winter. 318 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Sorry, summer and then yeah, winter. 319 00:14:32,399 --> 00:14:35,440 And so for me, it was really figuring out for myself, how do 320 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,240 I move forward from this? 321 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,519 And my parents were rushing. 322 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:39,600 They were like, okay, okay, you know what? 323 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,080 You're got a complete response to treatment. 324 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Now go work. 325 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:44,799 My parents are Asian Indian. 326 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,320 It's like that's what they're thinking about. 327 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:48,720 And I'm like, no, I can only better now. 328 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:50,559 I can always make money in the future. 329 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,720 So who is the identity? 330 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:54,879 Who's who am I striving for? 331 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:56,559 Who am I creating for? 332 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:00,320 And when it comes to, I think the clearest leaders are the 333 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,159 ones that allow you to express your individuality. 334 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,480 If a leader is contorting and actually making you feel that 335 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,240 you're not actually expressing your personality, your 336 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,639 authenticity to some degree, then maybe you need to think 337 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:19,679 about whether or not that can be changed, because things can 338 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:21,440 change and you need to express that. 339 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,000 Or it's maybe time for you to find other options. 340 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,600 Because I think the worst thing that we can do is not express 341 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,799 our full light. 342 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,840 And that might sound a little woo-woo to people, but when I 343 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,120 light the expression of what actually lights you up, what 344 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:40,000 actually allows you to feel like not only that you're living and 345 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,639 not only that you're thriving, but that you're actually 346 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:43,759 creating things in the world. 347 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Because I think we're all here to create something. 348 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:48,480 Some people are here to create children, some people are here 349 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,399 to create businesses, some people are here to create money, 350 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,000 some people are creating great sex. 351 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:55,039 I don't care what you create, just make sure you're creating 352 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:58,000 something that actually doesn't hurt you and hurting another 353 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,240 person. 354 00:15:58,399 --> 00:15:58,879 That's it. 355 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,320 SPEAKER_03: And I think also, and I love your story because 356 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:10,559 really took control over your thoughts and your being and put 357 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:15,200 a lot of consciousness around thinking, how can my body is my 358 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,799 body gonna be able to handle this? 359 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,320 My head, my mind is great. 360 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:23,919 I'm good conditioning that, but my body, end of the day, you're 361 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:24,559 here, brother. 362 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,519 And so excited that we're having this conversation. 363 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,759 How did you get into this work anyway? 364 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:31,279 Coaching and things like that. 365 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 SPEAKER_01: So I knew that when I had cancer the first time, if 366 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,759 I survived it, none of us know. 367 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,039 I knew I wanted to do something with it, but I kept hearing from 368 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:40,159 all the medical people. 369 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,399 And also back then, AI wasn't a thing. 370 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,000 So Google kept telling me, after five years, it's less likely to 371 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,320 come back. 372 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:47,200 Everyone was telling me this. 373 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,919 So I'm like, okay, I don't want to build something and then five 374 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,320 years, and then I have it's just gonna crumble. 375 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,440 So I waited five years and I got into it and got my board 376 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,720 certification, I got my ACC certification with the ICF. 377 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:02,159 I was a writer, so I just put out a lot more articles, became 378 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,480 a journalist with getting access to a lot of people. 379 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,559 I interviewed people like Venus Williams, ICE T, and at this 380 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,319 point I put out over 2,000 articles with leaders, change 381 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:12,960 makers. 382 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,119 And so it really was born out of that discomfort, that pain. 383 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,400 And I really figured out for myself, okay, how can I actually 384 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,279 make it into some level of purpose, that pain into purpose? 385 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,960 And not only that, but I think it also gave me a reason to want 386 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,279 to actually allow myself to learn from I survived cancer, 387 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,440 but what is this actually really teaching me? 388 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:37,759 Who do I become after this? 389 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:39,599 Especially the second one. 390 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:45,279 I we spoke a lot about this idea of how do you come back from 391 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:46,000 something like this? 392 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,359 And one can say I probably was the post-childhood resilience 393 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,240 for those 10 years before my relapse, but in the moment it 394 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,160 was more of an adaptive mindset. 395 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,640 I always like, okay, how can I be flexible? 396 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:01,440 How can I muster some energy as though I was tired, diarrhea 397 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,799 issues, tachycardia, heart issues, all these things. 398 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,039 How do I meet the doctors when they come to the rounds? 399 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,319 How do I greet the nurses when they come to do the vitals? 400 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,160 How do I inform myself of what's actually going on? 401 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,599 And a large part of this was also self-regulation. 402 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:19,359 I've been a long time meditator. 403 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:23,359 I started at one minute years and years ago, went to five, now 404 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:23,920 20. 405 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:25,759 Now this is over 20 years now. 406 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:30,079 But I tell other people prayer, breathing exercises, humming, 407 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:32,480 journaling, walking in silence. 408 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,480 But really, if someone was to take everything and distill what 409 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:41,839 I'm saying, and I kid you not, it was two anchors, silence and 410 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:42,400 stillness. 411 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,359 And I think people don't take enough intentional silence. 412 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,160 Intentional silence. 413 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:50,960 I don't mean distractive silence, intentional one. 414 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,319 But those two things, Coach Muller, were so available to me. 415 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,359 I was in a quarantine room for 29 days. 416 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:01,599 It was what I call it was my exile. 417 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,240 I felt like that experience for me was my exile. 418 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,279 And I felt like I needed those are my two anchors that were 419 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:09,200 available anytime, anywhere. 420 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,480 And that allowed me to actually sink so deeply into it that I 421 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,079 actually realized the great truth. 422 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,559 I realized that not only can I not control my red blood cells 423 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:24,079 and my platelets and the all the things the doctors want to 424 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:29,519 monitor, but I realized, oh, I need to actually submit and 425 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,279 surrender to the experience, not surrender to dying, but 426 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:34,400 surrender to the experience. 427 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,559 Because if I don't allow myself to actually acclimate myself to 428 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,240 the experience, then I'm losing what this is trying to show me. 429 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,279 Forget about teaching, because I know I'm gonna get a lot of 430 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:49,680 people, and I you get this talk in the cancer community where 431 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,200 people don't like the word fighter. 432 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,279 Some people I personally don't ascribe to F cancer and all that 433 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:55,440 stuff. 434 00:19:55,519 --> 00:19:56,880 That's just my own personal belief. 435 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,480 I just say do whatever really feels comfortable for you. 436 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,200 But to a large degree, a lot of people actually feel that when 437 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:11,680 cancer comes, it automatically a deficit rather than actually 438 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,079 seeing it maybe as an opportunity to actually accept 439 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,680 the deficit at the moment, but think of it as something much 440 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,119 bigger that you probably couldn't even find without it. 441 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:27,200 So in other words, it came into your life to maybe show you 442 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,839 something, maybe not teach you something, maybe not because 443 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:32,960 people don't like that kind of with cancer, but maybe it's 444 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,480 there to actually give you something. 445 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,240 Maybe it's a gift to some degree. 446 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,680 Not a gift, meaning that you're going through the side effects 447 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,519 and the treatment and they're horrible. 448 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,720 At this point, I say this with great sincerity. 449 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,759 I lost as of last month, it was eight people. 450 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,720 This month it's about 10 people that I know who died of cancer. 451 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359 And some of them, it's their first journey in battle to it. 452 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,960 So I have the utmost understanding, empathy, and 453 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,400 compassion for that. 454 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,920 But I also do know as someone who came through those 455 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,119 experiences, that to some degree there is something here that we 456 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,880 have to unpack and know. 457 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,720 We have to get familiar with. 458 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,519 Whatever it is, I think it behooves us to actually try to 459 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:24,079 understand that. 460 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:26,160 That's all I'm saying about that. 461 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,599 SPEAKER_03: Man, that swag, bro. 462 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,680 That swag, the self-awareness piece in the crisis, and 463 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,200 understanding how important regulating your mindset was for 464 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:47,039 you, the why power, the why power, purpose, and why are you 465 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:47,599 going through this? 466 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,279 And what are the opportunities while I'm going through this 467 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:52,640 process of cancer? 468 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:59,200 Aligned action from those thoughts of the mind, actions 469 00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,759 that you have. 470 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,880 Have control over while in this state of fighting cancer. 471 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:12,400 And then grit the ability to know that this was just a storm. 472 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,960 And you have to stay persistent knowing that you're going to get 473 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,079 through this storm. 474 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:19,599 And that swag. 475 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,119 That swag. 476 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,359 And you live that, brother. 477 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,240 You live that. 478 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:25,680 And you continue to live it. 479 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:30,400 Because I think it's extremely powerful to be in the state that 480 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,400 you were in from a health standpoint and thinking, What's 481 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,599 the opportunity here? 482 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:39,920 That, bro, that's next level, right there, man. 483 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,920 There's so much power in that. 484 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:43,279 And that's what you created. 485 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,720 You created choice. 486 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,960 Because the choice within that health crisis of what you were 487 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,039 dealing with in the fight of cancer, the choice, been sorry 488 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:53,440 for yourself. 489 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:54,640 You could have gone into depression. 490 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,400 You could have carried all of this guilt. 491 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:59,200 You could have really been fearful. 492 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,559 But you know what? 493 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,160 You chose what's the opportunity? 494 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,920 What's the signs here? 495 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,680 How do I get better? 496 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,079 What do I need to learn from this? 497 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:16,720 How can I use this time to pause my mind and be still and embrace 498 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,599 the quiet? 499 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,960 That's what you did. 500 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,640 That is so powerful. 501 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,160 But I want to ask you before we check off too. 502 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,079 Is that where the adaptive resilience leadership framework 503 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:28,640 came from? 504 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,160 SPEAKER_01: So it was born out of this idea that we all can, 505 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,799 especially healthcare leaders, we know the signals and the 506 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:36,079 patterns, know what's happening. 507 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,599 And then part of it is also this idea of post-crisis, what I call 508 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:40,960 a post-crisis leadership gap. 509 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,240 It's like it shifts, it drifts, it creates larger, and then 510 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,119 there's a chasm there. 511 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,039 You can't reorientate yourself. 512 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,240 Can't really figure out how to actually get to where you were 513 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:50,799 before. 514 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,839 And your summary was just fantastic because it actually 515 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,960 relates to this idea that people actually get it. 516 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,200 It's not someone asked me recently and they said to me, 517 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:03,519 You knew you were gonna overcome this, right? 518 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:04,559 I'm like, no, I didn't. 519 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,200 They're like, No. 520 00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:06,400 I'm like, no, I don't know. 521 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:06,720 No. 522 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,359 I think anyone who tells you they can overcome anything 523 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:11,920 doesn't really know because we don't have the answers. 524 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,920 I just knew one thing. 525 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,960 I just knew that I had to be alive, I had to be present, I 526 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,759 had to be awake. 527 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:20,559 That's all I knew. 528 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,039 So I'm like, if I can keep myself awake and present, so I 529 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,359 would survey the nurses, create dialogue with them. 530 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,640 It was only one day, Coach Mall, that I faltered out of 29 days. 531 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,960 One day, and I'll tell you why, and you're gonna laugh at this. 532 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,119 One day I woke up and I tried to use my iPhone because I used it 533 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,400 for music, things like that. 534 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,480 Not really scrolling on Doom scrolling. 535 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,480 My iPhone would not recognize me because my hair grew, my beard 536 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,519 grew, it was all different colors, my skin was all droopy, 537 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,640 I was on all these medications, my skin actually changed. 538 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,079 My skin was four times darker and I lost 26 pounds. 539 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,440 My iPhone didn't recognize me. 540 00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,400 I was so pissed off because it wasn't the fact that I needed 541 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,039 the iPhone. 542 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,680 It was the last thing that recognized me because I couldn't 543 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,640 recognize myself. 544 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:07,839 SPEAKER_02: Wow. 545 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:10,880 SPEAKER_01: What's going on? 546 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,000 She goes, It's only a phone, but she didn't really get it. 547 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,119 And then thankfully, later that night for whatever, I don't know 548 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480 if it was a test or something sent to me, it worked. 549 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,240 It wasn't the possession of the phone, it was the phone was the 550 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,920 last remnant of my identity to some degree. 551 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,279 And I felt like I had to lose it in order to gain it back. 552 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,640 SPEAKER_03: Wow. 553 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,759 That's a powerful, that's a powerful testament to your 554 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,000 journey in what we're talking about. 555 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,359 So thank you for sharing that. 556 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:45,920 Can you be found help? 557 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,400 Who do you work with and the audience that types of clients 558 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,079 that that works with you? 559 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,880 SPEAKER_01: I deal with mostly healthcare leaders, but leaders 560 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,279 in general. 561 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,319 When the pressure gets so much and just disruption and 562 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,279 diversity affect so much that you just can't think clearly. 563 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,720 You have to find a way to release that pressure or find a 564 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,759 way to reacclimate towards your goals. 565 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,119 And so my focus is clarity doesn't fail first. 566 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,839 I'm sorry, performance doesn't fail first, clarity does, 567 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,559 because once you have clarity, you really know your next steps 568 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:16,960 forward. 569 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,039 People can find me on my website, savio pclementi.com. 570 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,400 There I have my keynote work. 571 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,319 I have a couple more spots in 2026, my coaching, my executive 572 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,240 coaching, also my book that's in there. 573 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,119 And then every Wednesday I write a Substack newsletter called The 574 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,519 Human Resolve, where right now I'm currently running an 575 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,839 interview series with CEOs and CMOs on the healthcare 576 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:36,960 leadership operating system. 577 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,839 And I also talk about head, heart, and gut intelligence and 578 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:44,720 how we navigate that way towards pressure and how we navigate our 579 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000 way towards clarity, because those are the two main things. 580 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720 And I call it the human resolve because what else do we have? 581 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,039 Only human resolution and resolve in our lives. 582 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,759 And if people want to find me on social media, I'm at the human 583 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:56,000 resolve. 584 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:56,559 SPEAKER_03: Thank you. 585 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,200 Thank you for that. 586 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,319 Any final thoughts that you would like to share for our 587 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:01,119 listeners? 588 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:01,839 SPEAKER_01: Yeah. 589 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,039 There was a recent conversation I had with someone, and they 590 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,640 said if you could define yourself in three words using 591 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,759 un, what would they be? 592 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,920 And so for me, it's uncertainty, which I went through, 593 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,000 unraveling, and unbreakable. 594 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,559 And when unbreakable, it doesn't mean that you always have to 595 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:16,960 win. 596 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,400 It just means that you are present to the moment. 597 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,160 And I think that's all we can ask for. 598 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,960 Everyone wants to win, but sometimes maybe it's not just 599 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,200 the win, maybe it's just the experiencing. 600 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,359 SPEAKER_03: Man, I appreciate you. 601 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:30,319 I really do. 602 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,519 Thank you for blessing us with this wonderful perspective on 603 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:39,440 how we approach pressure, composure under pressure. 604 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,519 And thank you for your insights. 605 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,119 Savi, appreciate it. 606 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,400 SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Coach Well. 607 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,440 I really appreciate it. 608 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,559 SPEAKER_02: That's another rep in the inner arena. 609 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,839 You didn't just listen, you leveled up your swag. 610 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Self-awareness, why power, aligned action, and grit. 611 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,359 If this hit home, share it, subscribe to the Let's Think 612 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,440 About It podcast, and lock in with me on YouTube at Swag 613 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,480 Coaching. 614 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,680 Until next time, stay aware, leave with your Y, act in the 615 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,400 moment, and keep your grids flowing.