Hosted by Mike Maynard, Napier
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★5.0on Apple Podcasts · 8 recent reviews
Napier‘s take on the world of B2B marketing and PR, with a particular focus on Europe. For more information about Napier and the services we offer B2B technology clients visit
100 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-09-11 · ~28 min/episode
Rank
#2542
Substance
65.6
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-09
Updated monthly
Across the index
#2542 of 6203
Substance
Top 41%
outscores 59% of the index
Marketing B2B Technology ranks #2542 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 65.6 out of 100, scored across 5 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Brad is a founder/CEO with 23+ years in business, including survival of a major industry disruption. He has scaled Direct Mail 2.0 over 8+ years and has tangible operational experience. However, he is primarily a vendor selling direct mail solutions, not a CMO, demand gen leader, or operator in a customer-facing company using these tools at scale. His perspective is from the vendor/platform side, which limits credibility as a guide for B2B marketers making channel decisions. Not a thought-leader-only guest, but also not a practitioner of the marketing discipline being discussed.
Averaged across 5 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.
The episode contains moderate business insights, particularly around direct mail ROI by industry verticals (credit cards, automotive, higher education) and attribution measurement via intelligent mail barcodes. However, much of the discussion is surface-level explanation of Direct Mail 2.0's features rather than novel, non-obvious principles. The AI propensity modeling is interesting but explained in generic terms without concrete performance data or surprising findings. Significant padding includes repetitive career narrative and soft closing remarks.
“if the average person is carrying 7 or $8,000 of credit card debt, that bank is into $1,600 a year of interest payments, probably for years”
“There's a 33 digit number which recognizes an individual”
The core thesis - using data and AI to optimize direct mail - is straightforward and not particularly contrarian. Brad presents direct mail as underutilized in B2B, which is mildly valuable, but the thinking is incremental rather than first-principles. The approach of adding digital layers (QR codes, landing pages, email) to physical mail is standard industry practice. No genuinely provocative or counterintuitive arguments are advanced; the guest largely articulates what his company does, not why conventional wisdom about direct mail is wrong.
“combining that, uh, ink on paper with the new technologies to sort of form the best of both worlds”
“B2B, I think, is probably one of the bigger growth patterns”
Brad is a founder/CEO with 23+ years in business, including survival of a major industry disruption. He has scaled Direct Mail 2.0 over 8+ years and has tangible operational experience. However, he is primarily a vendor selling direct mail solutions, not a CMO, demand gen leader, or operator in a customer-facing company using these tools at scale. His perspective is from the vendor/platform side, which limits credibility as a guide for B2B marketers making channel decisions. Not a thought-leader-only guest, but also not a practitioner of the marketing discipline being discussed.
“I spent 23, 24 years in packaged media media being CDs, DVDs, video games”
“It didn't officially start till 2017, and here we are, you know, eight, nine years later”
The episode includes concrete numbers on a few dimensions: 3 - 5% engagement rate expectations, $25M revenue at peak, 80,000 campaigns overseen, 2 billion pieces of mail tracked, $7 - 8K average credit card debt, $80K car sales, 17 technologies created vs. 3 initially. However, much of the detail is about company features rather than evidence of marketing effectiveness. The AI model discussion lacks specifics: no A/B test results, no lift figures, no customer case studies with actual ROI improvements. Competitive intelligence from Who's Mailing What is mentioned but not substantiated with examples.
“we've overseen which included 2 billion pieces of mail”
“we usually expect with our platform, 3 to 5% engagement”
The host, Mike Maynard, asks reasonable setup questions but rarely pushes back or probes deeper. When Brad offers vague claims (e.g., 'people are very emotional about their creative'), there is no follow-up challenging this or asking for evidence. The interview reads more as a product walk-through than a scrutinizing conversation. Soft moments include accepting Brad's assertion that AI optimization 'smooths out the troughs' without asking if that's always desirable, or challenging the claim that 50% of marketers lack budget conviction. No genuine disagreement or uncomfortable questions are posed.
“Yeah. We found that people are very emotional about their concept for creative. Whether it's the best or the worst. This is something that they believed in inherently.”
“I wouldn't call this the most hottest economy we've ever had right now. And when things slow down, most businesses, the first thing that they can easily cut costs on is marketing”
4 periods tracked.
6 scored on substance · 62 tracked in total.
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Mike is an excellent host and features many interesting guests. The guests are really what makes the show good. I especially enjoyed the episode on AI with Georgios Grigoriadis. There are a lot of high level fascinating discussions mixed with practical tips and advice, making it a must-listen pod for B2B marketers.
- CityGal415
I had the pleasure of sharing my thoughts from and open source perspective, and encourage other Marketers to listen to other episodes in the series!
- mblandini
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