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The Jason & Scot Show

Hosted by Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Publicis & Scot Wingo, Channel Advisor

Join hosts Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Chief Commerce Strategy Officer at Publicis, and Scot Wingo, CEO of GetSpiffy and Founder and Executive Chairman of Channel Advisor, as they discuss the latest news and trends in the world of e-commerce and digital shopper marketing.

346 episodes · publishes monthly · latest 2026-07-02 · ~52 min/episode

Rank

#86

Substance

84.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Marketing rank

#6 of 991

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Across the index

#86 of 6182

Substance

Top 1%

outscores 99% of the index

Why it scores where it does

The Jason & Scot Show ranks #86 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 84.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Ron Johnson is about as high-caliber a retail practitioner as exists - he architected the Apple Store concept from scratch, drove a 12x stock run at Target, and ran JCPenney at scale; this is not a thought-leader or career podcast guest, it is someone who actually did the thing at the highest level, though the book-promotion context slightly constrains candor.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

16.0 / 20

The episode contains genuine insider gems - the Genius Bar naming dispute with Jobs, iPod Touch as mobile checkout in 2008, self-checkout app in 2010, Apple as a free internet cafe in 2001-02 - but is padded with biographical narrative, book promotion, and generic AI/omnichannel takes that a retail professional would already know.

“we had technology. We basically turned an iPod Touch into a mobile cash wrap. We gave one to every employee”

“we were selling 300 ipads a minute”

Originality

15.0 / 20

The sharpest original frame is that Apple imitators emulated the wrong elements (design aesthetics vs. service model), and the 'situational arrogance' admission about JCPenney is unusually candid; however, most macro takes - omnichannel won, AI creates and destroys jobs, everyday pricing beat high-low - are retail-media conventional wisdom recycled at a high level.

“most people, what they call innovation, is really improvement. Because when they do innovation, they go look at what someone else did and they apply it to their store”

“I was situationally arrogant where I really believed...I believe that I could convince anybody that this is what we ought to do”

Guest Caliber

20.0 / 20

Ron Johnson is about as high-caliber a retail practitioner as exists - he architected the Apple Store concept from scratch, drove a 12x stock run at Target, and ran JCPenney at scale; this is not a thought-leader or career podcast guest, it is someone who actually did the thing at the highest level, though the book-promotion context slightly constrains candor.

“when I left, you know, I think there were 370 stores open. We had another 50 in works. Today, Apple has 530 stores”

“I had a million visitors a day to our stores”

Specificity & Evidence

17.0 / 20

The episode is above-average on specifics for a conversational podcast - real dates (May 19th 2001), named stores, headcount (60,000 employees), JCPenney sell-through data (less than 1% at everyday price), Apple sales decline figures, and scan-and-go timeline - though one cited figure (Walmart 'worth $130 million back in 2000') appears materially wrong, which undermines confidence in the data layer.

“the average item, Penny sold less than 1% of its merchandise at the everyday price. And the average item was over 60% off”

“in our first 12 years, we got about 80% of the footprint done globally”

Conversational Craft

15.0 / 20

The host is genuinely knowledgeable - he has personal context on Best Buy, Target/Amazon, and Geek Squad - and asks one legitimately probing question about what Apple changed for the worse; but he never challenges questionable data, lets the JCPenney failure section stay at a surface level, and is broadly deferential throughout.

“is there anything that's changed that you go, oh man, I wish we didn't cave on that?”

“my hypothesis is they always got it wrong...people always noticed and tried to emulate are like negative space, wooden tables, better lighting”

Standout episodes

  • EP 340 - Ron Johnson, the Man Who Built the Apple Store

    2026-07-02

    84

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • EP 340 - Ron Johnson, the Man Who Built the Apple Store

    2026-07-02 · 52 min

    84 / 100

Frequently asked

What is The Jason & Scot Show's substance score?
The Jason & Scot Show scores 84.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #86 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 99% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #6 of 991 in Marketing. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is The Jason & Scot Show worth listening to?
Yes - The Jason & Scot Show outscores 99% of the B2B marketing podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a marketing operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts The Jason & Scot Show?
The Jason & Scot Show is hosted by Jason "Retailgeek" Goldberg, Publicis & Scot Wingo, Channel Advisor.
How often does The Jason & Scot Show publish?
The Jason & Scot Show publishes monthly, has 346 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-07-02.
Which The Jason & Scot Show episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "EP 340 - Ron Johnson, the Man Who Built the Apple Store" (84/100) - a good place to start.

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Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

TargetSteve JobsConversational commerceApple StoreGenius BarMichael Graves design collaborationRetail design strategyNon-commissioned service modelDell direct-to-consumer modelGateway retail stores

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