Bonnie Thompson

Speaker A: You're thinking about it, and you're thinking about it, and maybe it looks like anxiety, maybe it looks like, uh, down on yourself. It's interesting. People think they can think themselves out of it because you Recycle your thoughts 95% of the time you're there again the next day.

Speaker B: Welcome to the Breaking HR Podcast, where we wrestle with employment challenges for entrepreneurs, business leaders, and HR professionals. Here are your hosts, Jesse and Nathan.

Speaker C: Hey, been a while. Welcome to or. Welcome back. Thanks to our podcast. And it's been a while and we missed you. Jesse and I were attempting to retire on unsuccessfully. The profits of this podcast. Unfortunately, we fell short, so here we are. Jesse, uh, go ahead and introduce our guest who's.

Speaker A: Absolutely.

Speaker D: I'm back. Back. And to that part. It is our first and inaugural time. We have a guest returning, and we are excited about that because that means

Speaker C: by her own choice.

Speaker D: I was just gonna say she came back. She wanted to come back. She didn't say, you know what? I've had enough of you two. So welcome back, Bonnie. Bonnie Thompson is joining us again today. We're glad to have you.

Speaker A: Yeah, no, thank you so much. It's great to see you both, uh, here up you both and be part of this fantastic conversation.

Speaker D: It's going to be fun, you know, New Year, new, new, uh, everybody. Right? So let's talk a little bit about that. I think we're. We're what, February 2025. And that puts the pressure on Nathan to. To do his editing genius after, uh,

Speaker C: I really wish you wouldn't put dates. It is February, though, and chances are you have made a resolution. And chances are you broke your resolution. So let's talk what happened?

Speaker D: Real talk. Have you made a resolution and have you broken it yet? Or how many times have you broken it yet? I think that's. That's a. A reality for many of us right now.

Speaker C: Bonnie, did you make any resolutions that, um, you care to share, or are there some you won't share?

Speaker A: Oh, oh, well, you know, I. I am a champion licorice. Uh, I can consume licorice like it's going out of style. So my resolution was to cut down on the licorice, I have to admit. Huh. Uh-huh.

Speaker D: Cut down, not cut out, right?

Speaker A: Yeah, cut down. Cut out would be unreasonable. But also, in your career, there's, uh, times and places where, uh, the new year is a great opportunity to, you know, make some change.

Speaker D: Yes, yes. And I love that idea. I think we're going to talk. We're each going to tackle a couple different areas I think today on this one, which is I'm really excited about and I think the idea of our goals being set in a way that we can achieve them is a good theme for us in all these different areas. So, um, I don't know, Bonnie, you want to talk a little bit about something that you did this past year that maybe we can kick off with? I think that'd be really interesting for everybody.

Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. And, and it really came from, uh, a book I read from Gretchen Rubin. And it's really about what you do every day matters more than what you do once in a while. So it's small things daily. And I think we're in the habit of looking for an immediate change or an immediate reward. For example, a lot of people are talking about upskilling and you know, training, training, uh, course might be offered, maybe a classroom. But really you have all these opportunities in your week to do micro learning. So that's something small daily to upscale versus a whole scale change where you take three days and devote yourself to example Excel training. And that is a lot of content and you might not be using it all at once. So here's an idea where you need to learn a function in Excel and you just quick hit a chunk a piece of information and you're upskilling. So it's, it's kind of just a different way of looking at how you approach getting change in your life or your career.

Speaker D: I, I like that. I think the um, concept, especially with what you just mentioned, you can take something like, okay, I'm going to try and do a mail merge. Okay, great. That's one concept you can do. And I know something that a lot of people I'm, I'm seeing out there doing is like they're using YouTube or things, other resources that aren't like a, like you said, like a three day boot camp to, to learn something and then continue to build. I think that's, that's a really cool way we can kind of break those things into smaller pieces.

Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. And one other area where uh, in my personal life I had this, I made a goal. Okay, it's fantastic. But it was a rather large goal and it was to write a book. And this really sat on my, my conscious like, okay, I want to write a book. Okay, that sounds so daunting. But small things every day. And then my brain converted it over to if I write one page a day and uh, in 365 days one year you could have that outline Draft of, um, a book.

Speaker D: Is that crazy? Like, that sounds like an enormous undertaking and it is. But to like, write 365 pages of content sounds like tremendous.

Speaker C: Oh, and there it is.

Speaker D: Okay, Tell us about your book.

Speaker A: Yeah. So thank you. Thank you so much. It was a goal of mine that I've had since I was younger and always knew I was going to write it down one day. Uh, but how do you get there there and really this small things daily started to, to really make sense to me. I could write a page a day. It's a memoir. The title of the book is called Left. It's available on Amazon. Um, and it doesn't. It didn't require me not attending my family functions. It didn't require me taking time off work. It was that small habit every day of 20, 20 minutes, just writing down and piecing it all together. And then I had this draft come. Time goes by very fast.

Speaker C: And did you ever miss a day or did you ever write two pages in a day just because you, you felt good?

Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. If you're in the flow of something you really enjoy, then of course you can take a longer time and produce more that day. But I did find I had to get a system going because I understand we're human and we might miss one day. But if one day turns into three days and then three days turns into seven days and then you don't do it because you're off track. So I tracked it sounds kind of silly with stickers. So on the calendar I give myself a sticker.

Speaker D: I love that. That's awesome. And you were pretty. And being fully transparent how, like, was it often that you missed days or was it pretty consistent that you'd, ah, hit most of them?

Speaker A: No, you find habits, uh, take so long to form. You, you have to build the wiring and just like some of the habits you're going to talk about. So I found, uh, the hardest part was probably the first six to eight weeks, and then after that it was pretty autonomic. I would pick up the pen and I would start.

Speaker D: And now that you're through that goal, are you still finding yourself? Like, now that that habit's ingrained, you're still going?

Speaker A: Yeah. So once, once in a while I'll pick up my cell phone and in the notes section I'll just write a blurb.

Speaker D: Nice.

Speaker C: I do like the, the commentary on habit building because I'm terrible at it. I've always failed. And recently there's been a few that have kind of stuck a little Better. And I think we all have. I've been. I just did a two day seminar and a big, A big part of that topic was habit building, which is interesting that this came up and it was that whole one thing at a time, one day at a time. And if you think about it, everything you do in a day is, is a habit in some way or another. You brush your teeth, you get up, you kind of do the same thing each time. It's a habit, whether you like it or not. And so you're in control of whether or not that habit steers you in a good direction, a bad direction, neutral. So, yeah, that resonates. And I think that's, um, not too simple of a way of looking at it because it is effective. You just have to keep doing it. I like the stickers. Yeah, it's, it's that little reward. But if you're making a list, um, there's something about writing that, Writing the list and then crossing it out.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker C: And you get that little. Okay, good. I, I did something. So. Yeah. And totally instead of getting that dopamine hit other ways you can just do that with um. But you need that, that's what, that's what helps it stick.

Speaker D: What are some of the hacks that you're working on, Nathan? What are some of the, you know, like just, just one example. What's something that you're trying to implement this year?

Speaker C: So, yeah, I, I had a pretty good streak in the fall with eating better and those kinds of things and some more exercises. Got, um, away from that totally, uh, got away from it at Christmas. Then I made a resolution. It didn't stick, but I'm kind of, I'm kind of back on it. So. Um, that's, that's a good one. Like, um, some of it's been in the form of calorie counting or going for walks or using. We've Stationary bike. We use those kinds of things. And so there's, there's that little hit that you get when you've done it a few days in a row. I think some of those tracking, uh, tracking apps. And um, there's lots of really good ones out there. They help a lot and just gives you that little like. Okay, good. Um, I got into the habit of just like maybe bad advice, but I weighed myself every morning. Oh, wow. Yeah. Which is.

Speaker A: You're very brave.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker C: It's not what you're supposed to do, but it actually just in a way scares me into just making a better choice. And some of that is like what you eat, what you do. I know we've talked about. Yeah, just, uh, planning ahead. So what about you, Jesse? Like, what are you doing for yourself?

Speaker D: Progress. You know, if you, if you asked me to, uh, to describe myself, I'd say some sort of, you know, like a beautiful disaster and give or take on the beautiful part.

Speaker C: I think you're beautiful.

Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna say good thing

Speaker D: this is an audio podcast. Uh, no, but honestly, I think for me, what I found works really well is, is just getting momentum. And so that's why all that we're talking about really sticks with, with me. Um, like when I do find success in building a new habit, it's because I just go. So what I mean is like, for me, the big one is, is doing things early. I get up at an ungodly hour because being a parent, it's like, that's my time when the world is still. So I know I have a couple of hours to plan my day, to go get exercise, to pack lunches, to do all those things, and then I get to work. Does it have trade offs? Absolutely. I'm in bed half the time by like nine at night. Um, but what I have found is I've, I've had the ability to at least five days a week just get up and start doing some sort of exercise. Um, and I know, Bonnie, we were talking about this earlier. It's also learning to compromise when you are having a tougher day to say, you know what, I'm not doing an hour today, I'm just going to do 20 minutes. Uh, and I found it took a number of weeks, similar to what you were saying. Bonnie. I don't know if it was six or eight. Right.

Speaker A: Well, I just really appreciate that because I too was kind of in that mode. Well, if I can't go and devote myself to this 45, 60 minute session, oh, then I'm not doing it. And then I didn't feel great about that choice. So, yeah, just like micro learning. Just like if you can make that 15 minute commitment to quick hitting on, um, the exercise, even stretching or marching in place or learning Excel YouTube for five minutes. Wow.

Speaker D: Yeah. And I think just the, the ability to almost trick your brain sometimes. Like you were saying, Nathan, like, whether it's fear or not being fully awake, you can kind of kickstart something. Like you, you said you weighing yourself and you're like, okay, now I know that I need to make this decision. I think also the, the inverse works where you're like, okay, I'm still Half asleep. But I know if I put my foot on the ground, I'll start moving, and then I'll do the things that I need to do. The other thing, like, uh, I, I geek out a little bit on, on habits and the psychology of it. Uh, they say often it's like 21 days to build a habit. But the other part that they, they say a lot is, okay, you've got to put the habit in place of what it is, and then you've got to create the reward after. And so it's like, what is that reward after you do it. Right. And so for me, the exercise part is I would do the exercise first, while I'm still half asleep, wake up. But then my reward is when I got home is I would make a really nice coffee for myself, like a nice pour over that kind of thing, instead of like a Keurig or my Nespresso kind of stuff. Like, I'd really. That was my reward. And I think it's important that whenever we're doing a habit, we figure out what can be a reward. And it doesn't have to be a big thing. It just has to be something that remembers, your brain remembers. It's like, hey, once I'm done, I get this thing.

Speaker A: Yeah. Uh, that's why I went into the stickers and.

Speaker D: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker A: Yeah. If you have kids, they love to be involved in that sort of thing.

Speaker D: They're great accountability partners. Hey, did you do this today?

Speaker C: Were the stickers like stars? Were they rainbows? Like, what did you. Or was it a variety?

Speaker A: Yeah, you gotta. You tap into whatever's your thing and then take your kids, go buy stickers, and they'll, they'll love that for sure. And then they can see the stickers there or the sticker's not there.

Speaker D: Yeah. Did you do this?

Speaker C: I know. Oh, my goodness. I don't think I could take that too much pressure.

Speaker A: Um, an accountability partner.

Speaker D: Yes.

Speaker C: Yeah, I'm. I have too much pride to let my kids tell me.

Speaker D: Here's a good motivator, too. Right.

Speaker C: There's a whole level of. There's a whole layer of something I need to unpack there.

Speaker D: I'm sure that'll be for after hours show.

Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So, Jesse, you're wearing a toque. What part are you dressing for here?

Speaker D: I'm glad you brought that up because one of the things that, uh, I think we kind of chatted through before we. We went live here was, you know, dressing for the role you're aspiring to or the part you're aspiring to versus what you're in. And uh, I think it is important, especially if you're going into an office setting or in to meet, you know, prospective clients as a sales representative or whatever that is some sort of meetings where you're trying to get business. I think it's important that you dress well and you, you, you know, look professional and you take the care to do that. On the other side of things, I think it's also important that if you're having internal meetings, you set whatever standard that is for your team. So, you know, like you said, wearing a toque today, um, for the most part I keep it pretty casual, um, for the internal stuff. And then, you know, if I do have those external meetings, I'm going to do my hair and probably not shave, but at least clean up a little bit.

Speaker C: Uh, I feel mean now. I. You answered that way too well for how rude my comment was. I. And I'm not going to say anything about how Bonnie's dressed or anything like that. I think you look fine. So, yeah, not going to take the risk of insulting her return guest this time. But, um, maybe you can speak to team, uh, dress or appearance or uh, showing up, uh, what other things you could do to show up and be present.

Speaker A: Okay, well, you know what? I, I think that, I think there's some flexibility here and uh, I'll, I'll tell you why I say that. So I think that if you're applying to an industrial environment, let's say there's a lot of PPE where you work or you're applying, then I think it's okay to come in an interview with steel toed safety boots. I think it signals you know where you are for sure.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yeah. And then I, I do think that uh, uh, like what is the occasion? Who's going to be in the room? This type of thing. Thing. And it's okay to ask.

Speaker D: Yeah, that's. That's huge. Yeah. Uh, ask and also know your audience, like you said too, who's going to be in the room.

Speaker A: Well, going back to, you know, lifestyle changes, one of the things that uh, one of you was going to talk about was exercise and you did, Jesse, is like, park far away.

Speaker D: Yeah, park.

Speaker A: Park far away. And, and walk. Yeah, it's better for your car anyways. Like the parking stalls are so tight right now. Walk. And then exercising, like you have the opportunity to stretch at your desk.

Speaker D: Yeah, I'm bad at that. Nathan, do you do that at all?

Speaker C: Stretch at my desk?

Speaker D: Yeah. Or do any. Or do Any, like, desks or desire.

Speaker C: Stop asking leading questions, Jesse.

Speaker D: It's my mo. It's what we're here for.

Speaker C: Oh, uh, wow. Boy, that reminds me. I'm sitting next to my treadmill. Um, okay, first, before I tell you all about how great I am at exercising during my workday, I think that need to build in. Build this into your day. So like you were saying, you build traps, almost like unavoidable traps. So if the elevator's broken, you're going to take the stairs. We'll just take the stairs. Take the stairs and park far away. Uh, I like that one. Recent development. So I bought a standing desk. Here, check it out. It's going to go up and down.

Speaker A: Stand.

Speaker C: Standing desk and a treadmill that goes underneath. See, it's slowly going up.

Speaker D: Uh, well, you weren't kidding about the treadmill. You actually have that under your. Oh, I thought you were just bullshitting me with that. Bullshitting everyone.

Speaker A: But isn't it, uh. And you can type while you're.

Speaker D: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah.

Speaker C: So it's. It's surprisingly, like, easy. So there are things like I definitely cannot do while I'm doing it. Working on an Excel sheet would be one. Like when you need to be precise

Speaker D: with your mouse, it's a little.

Speaker C: I can do it a little bit, but it's not. Not perfect. Typing emails, easy. Responding to slack, responding to anything. Yeah. So I do an hour without worrying and I'm walking. And it's not like I'm like, running or walking that hard, but I'm like. I've worked up a sweat. Like, just.

Speaker D: I'm amazed that it can work that seamlessly. It just.

Speaker C: I actually am, too. I fully expected this plan of mine to fail and to be like this. Just a waste of money. So, life hack. Um, I'm going to. I'm going to throw another one at everyone. Is schedule your day. Um, those.

Speaker D: More.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker C: Like, I started this last year and it started with to do lists, and then nothing happened to the items on said to do lists. And many of them were there still at the end of the day. So I just started putting the items in my day and I just had. I put my meetings in first. I put in, like, anything I had to work on next. So an hour for whatever it is. And then after that I just write in what I had to do to get done and I would write in, like, on the side. And I actually have. I have a template I use every day that. That goes in and it's. It's been Good. Because it's the very worst thing that happens, is the same stuff just carries

Speaker A: to the next day, you know, just on that theme. So sometimes we have something we need to do and perhaps, um, we feel a certain way about it. Uh, maybe it can even cause us to hesitate. But it takes up space in our heads or our brain. And I believe in calendar blocking, so I do that a ton. Um, so I can reserve time to focus on something that's really detail orientated. But I'm very aware of something that is maybe I have to get done, hesitating to get done. And I will schedule that. I'll schedule it early because then all of a sudden you've got this release and you've got this space. You create space in your day because it's not sitting on the side or your shoulder talking to you.

Speaker D: Yeah. M. Yeah.

Speaker C: And turn notifications off that.

Speaker D: I've only recently started doing that. And it's a game changer because I always left them on. But it, it makes a huge difference on your focus. For sure.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker C: Every. What is it? It takes 10 minutes to get back to focus once you lose it.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker D: That's a long time, especially if you only have 15 to get something done.

Speaker C: Yeah. Hopefully there's something in this conversation that's been. Been helpful.

Speaker B: Um,

Speaker C: there's gotta be something. We threw a lot out there. You know, if you're listening, just come on.

Speaker A: Well, and you know what? The year has 12 months. So let's say you start something with good intention and then maybe you fall off the wagon. Hey, February is a new month. March is a new month. You have that opportunity to reset and get into that small. Things really add up daily. We all know what compound interested interest is, and it applies to our life as well.

Speaker D: For sure, for sure.

Speaker C: I. I agree. It's not too late to work. Uh, for that beach bod, it's only February, so this is fair notice. You've like three and a half months, four months.

Speaker D: I gotta get down. You said Beachbod, not Dad Beachbod.

Speaker C: Yeah, you go from dad bod to Beachbod.

Speaker D: Because I'm like, I got that, that one covered.

Speaker C: I got the classic dad bod. And that's okay. That's also okay.

Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Speaker C: Um, okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna do our shout out, uh, part. Do we. Do we want to do that? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Shoutouts, where we recognize the things that are making life just a little bit better on this section.

Speaker D: Uh, for anybody that's tuned in for the first time. We like to pick something that we could recommend for anyone listening and tuning in. Could, uh, be a service, a provider, any sort of thing that's, that's uh, that's going well and that we've experienced well. So, um, I don't know. Nathan, do you want to kick off for us on that and then we can ask Bonnie and I'll bring it home. You could see how Nathan's looking at me right at this moment. But just have to assure you it's a very, uh.

Speaker C: Okay. All right. My shout out for this episode is going to be my standing desk. So I've already talked about the under desk treadmill. Not going to bore you with that. There's lots on Amazon. They're fairly cheap. This desk that I got was, uh, also very well priced and I was worried and it's only a few months old if that. So maybe it's is still cheap. It seems sturdy.

Speaker D: Okay, this is good.

Speaker C: It's called Motion Gray. Motion Gray from Best Buy. I think you can buy it lots of places. It was like, it's one of those Best Buy items that's always on sale. So they have like this exorbitant price and they cross it up and they're like it's only 200 bucks easy to assemble.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker C: And so highly recommend the motion Gray stand desk, uh, at a local Best Buy near you. And I'm not paid for this advertising. I'm just.

Speaker D: He's just from the heart.

Speaker C: And because I have a standing desk and a treadmill, I got to be totally better than everyone else. And I get to act above, um, and better because I'm like doing the healthy thing. So I got to rub it in.

Speaker D: You know how somebody knows that you have a stand up desk? Ztella.

Speaker A: Um, them.

Speaker D: Sorry. Buster chops a bit.

Speaker C: Just like the craft beer and the, uh.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker C: Anyway.

Speaker D: Yeah. What's that?

Speaker C: And my peloton.

Speaker D: That's the one I was gonna do.

Speaker C: Shut up.

Speaker A: I'm serious.

Speaker C: Well, now Bonnie, it's Bonnie's turn.

Speaker A: Okay.

Speaker D: They said go for sure. Let's let Nathan go. Bonnie, you tell us what your shadow is.

Speaker A: Yeah, it would be, uh. I get it. We get in the zone. We're working at a computer. So you're sitting for a long time. I just think five minutes. Google desk stretches and just put your hands in the air. Reach up. Straighten up that spine.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Go from side to side. That's. That just brings energy and blood into your limbs. Even if you just shake Your hands out. Right. Just sitting at your desk, shake your hands out. That would be my shout out. I love stretching.

Speaker C: Desk stretches. Nice.

Speaker A: Yes.

Speaker D: Okay. Well, I. I'm gonna give the world's worst recommendation, apparently, because Mr. Peloton. I started with the Peloton app, and it's made a huge difference because it keeps me, like. It's like having a personal trainer. So when I go run now, I have someone in my ear instead of just me listening to music. I have, like, a program I can go on. I have a trainer in my ear, and then I also use it for meditation and stretching. Um, all those things are built into it. And there's tons of other things that I don't use. Like, I don't do the stationary bike or anything like that, or the. The workout platforms, but I just use it for running, meditation, and stretching. And for me, it's on month two, and it's totally been a game changer.

Speaker C: Nice.

Speaker D: I'm not gonna tell anyone else about it outside of this episode, though, because I don't want to be that person.

Speaker C: Well, I was actually making fun of, like, the bike owners.

Speaker D: Oh, yeah.

Speaker C: Which is what I am.

Speaker D: Oh, you have one of those?

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker D: And, uh, so I just have the app. I'm too cheap.

Speaker C: No, that's. Nothing wrong with that. Um, kind of a no offline comes to those. So this has been Shout Outs. Can you tell us more about your book?

Speaker A: Well, I mean, it's out now, and it is a memoir, so, um, kind of might be different for me because I'm HR I don't really talk about myself at work, but I do find post Covid a lot of people, maybe how they cope or the function. Are they functioning high? Are they dysfunctional? This type of thing? We're seeing much more life at work. Right. Uh, I actually came from a really erratic childhood. Um, very erratic. Um, my father went through sexual reassignment, so I actually encountered that really early. My mother, she, uh, uh, maybe just lost herself in the process and passed away early. Uh, this type of thing. And I actually found out when I was in high school. I was living out of my car. It just happened innocently because you. Your parents are gone, so I was living out of my car.

Speaker C: Oh.

Speaker A: But the book is really, like, you're not Your situation. It. You know what? You. Can I just say something? When you've got something here and it's. You're thinking about it, you're thinking about it, and maybe it looks like anxiety. Maybe it looks like, uh, it's down on Yourself. It's interesting. People think they can think themselves out of it because you recycle your thoughts 95 of the time, you're there again the next day. Really. When I was younger, I always just kept action like, turn the wheel. Would have turned the wheel. And I opened doors for myself. I never sat there and I am this in front of me. Nope. I am gonna keep marching on. I'm gonna find that open door. I'm gonna create that opportunity for myself. And that's what the book is about, is just you keep moving forward.

Speaker C: Nice. That's awesome.

Speaker D: That is very, very interesting. And thank you for sharing. For sharing it. Like, I. I definitely want to read about it now and find out more. And, uh, yeah, I think it's tremendous that, you know, you've had this approach throughout because I think, I don't know, just personally, I know I had to learn things the hard way because maybe I had too easy for a certain chunk of my life. And then I had to, like, oh, things fell apart. Now I've got to pick it back up. Right. And, uh, I think if I had learned that at a younger age, I'd probably be further ahead. Right.

Speaker A: So you know what? We each have a struggle. Like. Yeah, like your struggle is equivalent to my struggle. But the one thing I, I see sometimes, um, with people who have depression or anxiety, they're thinking about it and they're going to think their way out of it. No, go walk.

Speaker D: Yeah. Move your body.

Speaker A: Get a. Get a hobby.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker A: Go to a cooking class. The way out is action, not thinking.

Speaker C: What is. What is the best way. You want to summarize everything? Um, Bonnie, if you have words of parting, words of wisdom, anything else you want to say that maybe hasn't been

Speaker A: said, it would really be about the, the difference between tangible and intangible. And sometimes change is so hard because it takes a while to see the impact. Right. So it's not as tangible as a big change. You know, going and buying an exercise bike. Okay, I have the exercise bike. I feel like I've taken this step forward. But those small things daily at UH can also make a big difference and as well in your career with upskilling, waiting for this training program or whichever. But you have the opportunity during the week to do 15 minutes. Quick hitter, micro learning, upskill. Okay. I know how to use that function in Excel right now. I watched a coaching demonstration. There's so much available, uh, with AI as well. Watching a demo on how to use that. Maybe you don't want to use it because it just looks like, oh, my gosh, you're apprehensive. So it's taking advantage of pockets of time. Like Jesse was saying, I used to wait for the whole hour, and then maybe I didn't do something. This applies to your lifestyle, your career as well. If you want to upskill or make change in your daily habits with your. You're eating or exercise. So five minutes at your desk. Let's go.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker C: Nice.

Speaker D: Awesome.

Speaker C: I like that.

Speaker D: This has, uh, been honestly one of my favorite conversations. I'm just gonna come out and say that I really like this concept, and I geek out a lot into, like, the. The micro. I don't call it the micro habits. I think I really love this concept. So this is a lot of fun.

Speaker C: I think it's awesome. Um, it's been really fun. It's this feel. This felt good. This felt good to get back into it. Feeling comfortable?

Speaker D: A little.

Speaker A: Yeah. Thank you for having me.

Speaker C: Thanks for your, um, for coming back. Um. Wow.

Speaker A: Yes.

Speaker D: Thank you so much.

Speaker C: M. Hopefully you'll be our first. Third. Third returning guest. Uh, third. Three time. That's what I'm trying to say. Three time. I mean, you are the most likely at this point to be the first one to come back a third time. You're, like, the most likely.

Speaker A: That sounds good.

Speaker C: And we would love to have you back, so I think that's really good. Um. The end. All right.

Speaker B: Thanks for listening. Go make it a great day.

Speaker A: I can cut out the licorice thing. I kind of stumped there, but.

Speaker C: No. Well, I could easily cut the tape to say I. I like to enjoy liquor.

Speaker D: Yeah.

Speaker C: And you're just gonna go on and on about how much you like liquor, and that's m. What. You know, if you want.