Ep.32 Dr Pat Boulogne - Beyond the Idea of Normal Health

Sarah Ashley Neal: Foreign. You're listening to the Be youe Start now podcast with San Artina. This is your host, Sarah Ashley Neal. Our guest today is a doctor of chiropractic and a functional medicine practitioner specialising in preventative health, autoimmune issues, and lifestyle medicine. With over 50 years in the wellness field, she understands why so many people get used to feeling unwell and how to help them reclaim real health through functional and lifestyle approaches. She has trained in Chinese medicine and has worked with athletes at the Olympic Training center in Beijing. And she's also been featured on the COVID of a New York magazine at age 70 and believes in her own words that reinvention and success are possible at any stage of life. Known for her youthful and positive attitude to life, let me introduce you to Dr. Pat Bologne. Welcome to the show. Dr. Pat Boulogne. Have I said your name correctly? Always check first.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Not exactly.

Sarah Ashley Neal: How did I do that wrong?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Do you know when you say bouillon cube?

Sarah Ashley Neal: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Okay. It's like the same in the front part of Boolean cube. So bouillon like Boulogne.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Okay. Belong, belong. And that's French. That's a French accent.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: That's French.

Sarah Ashley Neal: I'm putting my accent onto that. So do we call you Dr. Pat throughout this? That's what you want to be known by.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: That's fine. You can call me anything as long as it's nice.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Just so people listening know what to call you. Okie dokie. So everyone's in for a bit of, uh, a, uh, bit of excitement today. This lovely lady who's on the show is a functional medicine practitioner and she's going to tell us a little bit more. But the accolades go all the way up my arm. So we're not going to have time to talk about all of them today. Um, but it's going to be exciting where we can talk about autoimmune and, uh, mindset and lifestyle. And we're going to fit all that into about 40 minutes, everyone. So tell us a little bit about why you got into and how you got into talking about health and performance. Because you've, uh, been doing this for about 40 years, is that right?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Actually, probably around 65. The when, um, I grew up. Just to give you a little background, I was the only girl in an eight block radius of where I grew up at. So if I wanted to play with someone, I had to play with boys. Um, and then playing with the boys there is just like, you know, you took, you climbed trees, you, um, played football, basketball, baseball, you Biked, you did, you know, um, tennis, you did archery, you did all those things like this. And it was very competitive. So I grew up in a very competitive nature, naturally, you know, thinking that that was really normal. And so when, um. And my father always had a way to, um, incite me to do things, um, because he would challenge me. But he had a very cool way, when looking back at it, he had a very cool way of how to, like, to get me to do things that I didn't really necessarily want to do. And so, like, he offered to pay me for every A I received in school, but then I found out like, eight years later that he was paying my brother $5 for every a that he got. And I only got one buck. So I went back to him, I calculated it and said, if you want me to continue getting A's, then you need to pay me what Michael got paid because he wanted me to be an electrical engineer. And I didn't necessarily want to be an electrical engineer because he, he was one. And I thought all his friends were rather boring. And so I wanted to do something exciting, you know, and since I had all that exposure to, like, catching frogs and having worms in my back pocket when I was growing up, all the things that kids do that you look back now and go, I would never touch your worm. And it's just like all those things kind of like led to being on a platform for high performing myself. Because if I wanted to play with boys and I wanted boys to pick me, I had to be good. Um, and so, you know, I went like, the extra mile. It's just like I climbed a tree that I never should have climbed because I couldn't get down.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Wow.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: You know, those kind of things. And, um, and so, like, that took over and into my schooling. And then, you know, when I went to go to, um, college, I told my father I didn't feel like going to college, you know, and, uh, he just said, you know, he said, well, then let's go to lunch. And we went into downtown Detroit, and he pulled off the road where the riots started, which they never rebuilt, so it was still a shamble. And he pulled on the street and he said, get out of the car. And I said to him, why would I want to get out of the car here? And he said, well, because if you don't go to college, this is where you're going to live. And he said, so? And since I have all this money saved up for you to go to school, I'll buy you a house on the street. And you can live here. Yeah. And what an impact. Well, I just said to him, I'll go to the college of your choice. You know, can we go to lunch now? And so then when I remember getting back at, um, his home, uh, and he told his wife that he said, she's going to college, she goes, what happened between here and there? She said, oh, we had a very interesting, um, you know, insightful tour of Detroit. And that's all he. That's all he said. And so. And then I went to, you know, I went to the college of my choice. But the, um. But the point was, is that, you know, he had ways to do that that weren't like, you know, you didn't have to have an argument about it. He just showed you what it looked like as opposed to, you know, the, you know, like, kind of like questioning, you know. And so I just never looked back at the one thing. And then I had a friend who went to chiropractic school school, and I said, why would you ever want to do that? And then I worked in the University of Michigan Hospital as a patient relations advocate. And I never saw anybody get well. You know, the only happy ward were, uh, women that. For. In the maternity ward, you know, and because women who lost their children during childbirth, they got them out of there right away, you know, and so. And they, you know, but women who had, you know, you know, babies, everyone was like, you know, cooing and, like, you know, making faces that they'd never made. They swore to God they would never do that, you know, and it was a lot of fun, you know, because everyone was really happy. So that's the only ward that I ever really liked working in. But it didn't drive me to be a pediatrician, you know, or to be an ob GYN person. Um, uh, so, you know, it started going, you know, I decided to go to chiropractic school, and I never looked back. I had some incredible mentors. I learned from people who developed the techniques, you know, and learned directly under the auspices. So, you know, or had connections to be able to rub shoulders at certain times with them when they got older, you know, in some event, you know, and I never turned down the opportunity to see a master. That's all. That's one of my big rules in life. If you have an opportunity to see a master and you consider them a master, then go see them. So I had a lot of that. That influence, and I had some really good, um, you know, like, crossovers or things that happened to Me by serendipity, you know, that kept on leading me to my next thing in my next thing, you know. And so I. Right now I'm m in the position where I retired for a while. I wrote a book called why are you sick, fat and tired?

Sarah Ashley Neal: Yes.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: And I collaborated with. On a couple other books. Um, you know, your DECA success. Um, jack of hearts is my chapter in case anybody goes out and buys that. Um, and. And then also, you know, the business marriage was. Someone said, do you want to be interviewed for this? You know, And I said, sure. And the next thing you know, I got this plaque from Amazon that said, congratulations, you the top sell, you know, top, you know, um, best selling author and five business categories. I went, they must have me confused. This must be a mistake. I called them up and said, like, did you send this to the right person? And I totally forgot about that chapter that, you know, I collaborated with them on. And I had no idea how to edit something for publication. So it's really a bad edit and it's not that great. But it was just like, you know, the things that happen to you in your life, you know, that, you know, when you say yes to opportunity, you know, and you never say no to any good, you know, good possibility. Like if you invited me to come to England, you know, I would probably say yes and figure out how to get on the next, next, you know, bus going there.

Sarah Ashley Neal: I'm just going to put that in my diary for next year. Hopefully I've moved out of my little flat, but who needs flats? We'll be touring around the country in hotels, don't worry. But. Well, can I interject though? Yeah.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Because, um.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Because when. Just so everyone knows, when Dr. Uh, Pat and I, um, came across each other, I had absolutely no idea that you'd been to this. I mean, we're not gonna spend the whole podcast on this. Gotta get onto some of the, um, information. But I was just so excited that you've been to this part of the world, you know, down in Devon. And I only came back, you know, for, for a short while before I, I go back up where the rest of the world exists. But, um, and also we found out that we both trained in, uh, tweena. We pronounce it tweena.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Do you Latwina.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Between I meaning push and grasp. And that's a. Yeah, Chinese medicine. So. So again, yeah, I mean, I could talk to you for half an hour just about all your, uh, your credentials. But tell us a little bit before we talk about some of the topics that you, you work within. How did you get to Beijing again? So it was a national trained.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: I got invited, um, by the Olympic Training center, um, to come and they were organizing a group of uh, you know, American sports physicians, you know, and so they just had an orthopedic group before us. Um, and then we are chiropractors. So there was 11 chiropractors and one woman who was the massage therapist. The massage therapists were invited to go. They should have went because it cost you like 10 times as much as we paid then. Um, and you know, they housed us, they fed us. We got to, you know, I never realized how tall tall is until I treated um, volleyball players on the Chinese Olympic team. I mean I'm six feet, so my head only came up to their shoulders. They were tall, you know, and for in the men too, you know. And then I got to witness like, you know, like how do they get kids so acclimated to being in, you know, on gymnastics stuff. You know, these babies are crawling on balance bars that are about a foot off. I mean they're like a year old kid and they're crawling on the balance bars. They fall off, they get back up and they climb back on, they keep on, you know, and that's what they play on, you know. And so it was interesting. And I also like, you know, we went to places like the Temple of Heaven. And then the Temple of Heaven is all these, you know, people get together at 5, 30, 6 o' clock in the morning and they're doing Tai chi, they're doing Wuxi, they're doing, you know, like dancing. People are like dancing and singing and like playing with lutes early in the morning. The thing is, is that I said, why are there so many people here? He goes, because if you don't go, your neighbor will tattle on you.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Oh, really?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Yeah. And that was in 19, like 92 or something, or 93, something like that. And um, you know, and I was thinking, wow, like it just gave a different concept. Like people are doing it and they're a lot healthier, but they're also doing it because their government's watching them too. That was kind. That was weird, you know, um, and, but it was just like, you know, it just went with the flow of what that was, you know. And you know, we had a girl, we were in Hangju and going up a hill who's this woman had, you know, um, uh, she had a form of um, you know, like a dietary disease. Just explain it. So like when she Got hungry, man, she had to eat food yesterday, you know, and it wasn't just hyperglycemia, you know, she had to have food. And so we went. And the way going up, they're trying to get a rickshaw to take us up there, you know. And, um, and then, you know, nobody was stopping, you know. So I went out and did my New York thing and went, taxi, you know, and this little man comes whipping around, the U turn comes over and he's like, he looks like my grandfather was, you know, when he was 79 and died, you know, and he's on this rickshaw. He's going to start out on an angle like this, going up, carrying this couple. And then my friend Neil, who is a chiropractor from, um, you know, Pittsburgh, um, and worked with, you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers at the time. Um, he said, you know, we just said, no, no, we'll walk, you know. And then I don't know what the guy gave him as a chip, you know, um, and just so he could get his wife back to the hotel, he turned around and came back and he insisted on taking us in. And no money. And I said to him, I said, you must have gave him a lot of money because you could buy something for like two bucks, a quilt, like a baby quilt for a crib, you know, and for like three bucks, you know, at the Great Wall. And you know, it's just like. And you know, I had a dict, um, you know, Dictaphone, you know, old fashioned one that I brought with me and I played it for them so they could hear it. They never heard themselves before, you know, they wanted to give me their whole table of stuff. Uh, no, no, no, no. It's like, you know, no money.

Sarah Ashley Neal: But it's a generosity, isn't it?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Yeah, it's a generosity. And it's just like the willingness. And everyone thought because I had black hair, black hair, you know, that I had to have been like, what happened to me? Because only the Chinese have that kind of black hair, right? You know, and that's what my interpreter told me. I said, sure. And I said, I can guarantee you I don't have any Chinese, you know. No, it's just like no DNA, you know, even in the DNA test, there's nothing there, you know. And, um, you know, she said, but it's just like, like the color, your coloring is very similar to the Chinese, you know. And I said, it's, it's all good. We had, you know, but it was such a great educational experience. Yeah, you Know, my orthopedic doctor and in Boston, because I had hurt in a ski accident, I was in his office one day, and I'm looking at this picture on the wall, and he has the same picture that I have of the same people and the people. And that was 15 years before that. The people who I have in my picture don't look any older, but we look older.

Sarah Ashley Neal: M. I'm going like, what's.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Why is that?

Sarah Ashley Neal: Well, exactly. That's a good segue, that. Why is that? Um, it's a nice flow, really, into sort of preventative medicine. You know, what. What are your thoughts on this? I mean, a lot of countries, we've got Ayurveda, you've got, uh, traditional Chinese medicine. People talk about the Mediterranean diet. So in different cultures, they have, um. Some of them have their own way of looking after themselves and. And preventing, mitigating the risk of having diseases. And, you know, we're talking about a lot of autoimmune diseases that are cropping up left, right and center, but it's not new. So what are your thoughts? You know, we can move into the discussion really, around lifestyle and food and how we can prevent some of these. Um. Are they modern diseases, Dr. Pat, or have they been around for a while?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: I just think that they've been around for a lot of diseases, have been around for a while. They just haven't been published and a lot. And they didn't have. Their Western medicine is always trying to define. And if they can't define it, they don't know what to do with it. You know, I have a patient, um, who, um. When I started treating her, when she got treated, she was fine, but she didn't hold the adjustment long enough. And I said, you have exposure to mold. Everybody up here has exposure to mold. And, um. And I'm in the Finger Lakes in New York, and, um. And she kept on like she would be okay, and all of a sudden she'd have slurred speech, you know, and, you know, and like, they did brain Scans, they did MRIs, they did Cat scans, they did, you know, like, blood tests, you know, and like, you know, freaky blood tests, and they all came back normal. I said, it's because you have mold, you know, And I said, and you have these specific symptomatology. I said, you know, she. All her teeth pulled out. I don't think that was her wise decision. But she had her teeth pulled out and had dentures. She didn't have any of these problems until after she pulled out the teeth. So my feeling is that they injured, you know, the, some of the intrinsic nerves and the shock value of the incredible pain that you would have from how all your teeth yanked out, you know, and, and also perhaps some inflammation that got st in the body, you know, and it doesn't have a venue to get out. But, you know, I'm almost certain that she also has mold issues. Um, I actually saw her yesterday my. And when I was in the office and um, and I just did this mole test on her and she talked perfectly fine for five minutes and I said, you have mold. And she goes, you've been telling me that for five months. But mustard medicine has been with her for 10 months. I said, why did you give them 10 months of your life? You know, and. Because people do that because they, they tell them like, oh, we need to do this next test. Well, let's try this for three months. And suddenly you're into two years. A brand new normal that you never asked for.

Sarah Ashley Neal: I like what you just said there. How to step in there. A brand new normal. There are people I know and people I've had these discussions with, um, on and off for years. And you can, when you have a diagnosis, you know, the cliche is you are not your diagnosis, but you can begin with whether it's medicines you're taking, um, whatever, whatever practices you're doing, it becomes your new normal. And say, for example, you know, you're taking a medicine and they're saying, um, you know, you'll be off these in a couple of years. However, your body starts getting used to it, you start enjoying the benefits of those, even if your body isn't going to benefit from it. And before you know it, people are staying on medicines for years because whether it disguises the symptoms or whether it calms them down, but it becomes a new normal. M. Oh, I take this medicine, I've been taking it for years. But they're not changing their lifestyle and they're not changing maybe what they eat.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: It's like I have my cousin, it used to be, um, a, um, CPA when he was working, you know, in the banking industry in the sec. And um, you know, I was taught, we were talking about what he thought health was and um, I was up here, you can't talk about anything with anybody up here because they're volatile. But see, but you know, when he was telling me, he said, well, I'm healthy. And I said, yes, you would be healthy if you weren't taking your medications. You know, he goes, well, my medications keep Me healthy. I said, no, they don't. They mask your symptoms, you know, And I said, and I said eventually, sometimes I said, you overtake them because what is positive for someone to take, and they aren't meant to take forever if your body can't regulate anymore back to, uh, your normal, because, you know, you've been on these meds for such a long time. So I said, I don't buy it. I don't think you're healthy. You know, he's, you know, he, that's always left like a little bit of a thorn, you know, a sliver, you know, in our conversation. So we don't talk about health because he doesn't want to hear it, you know, and, and so, and a lot of people don't want to hear it because they bought into what western medicine was telling them. I mean, look how many people, I mean, if you really go in and do the deep research, deep dive research and the side effects of, you know, Pfizer's, you know, vaccines, you know, and Modorum, you know, and Johnson and Johnson, all those vaccines, they have a huge long list and they have a huge long, like, litigation list also. Because there's, there's things that those pieces did for people. You know, it's just like, because they scared a lot of people into doing them. And it's not that vaccines are bad. You got to pick and choose your vaccine. And you also have to know, not the summary sheet, you need the fact sheet. When you're looking at any medications that you're going to put in your mouth, you've got to know how much heavy metal is in it. Because a lot of those vaccines can't get into the body unless there's like a thing called a peg. And a peg is like a petroleum based substance that pulls it through your gut and then it punctures your gut and then you start having gut issues, you know, and you can't digest your food very well. And then your food that you're eating gets absorbed before it's actually due to get absorbed. So it gets in your blood system and then your liver has to deal with it. And then your liver gets overwhelmed. And when your liver gets overwhelmed and it doesn't know what to do with the toxins that you're ingesting in your environment, you know, because they're all there in your cleaning products and the air that you breathe, the food that you eat and the water you drink, you know, they're all there. It doesn't know what to do with it. So it Stores it in blood, brain, bone, and fat. So think about the obesity rates in the United. Especially in the United States, you know, and think about the. The other types of disease processes that relate back to the gut. Twenty years ago, they said we were all crazy and we're conspiracy theorists because we said there's a thing called leaky gut. You know, now it's a diagnosis that's an ICD code, right? And it's just like it. It exists, and it existed before. It just wasn't recognized. And also the gut brain connection, you have more immune system going on in your gut. So why would you eat food that destroys your immune system? Um, because when you go out into an environment, because there's always been microbes, fungus, viruses in our environment from, like, way back when, 2 billion years ago. And it's just like it's always been. But we have had the adaptability to have short exposure to it. That's why so many people, after they stayed in mandatory, um, and they came back out, they had all this new exposure because things are constantly in flux and changing, you know, and so a lot of people had colds, and they, you know, and then they started calling the new colds, like, you know, Omnicron and Delta or whatever they call them. And someone asked me about that, and I said, do you know how much money it takes to pay to do genetic sequencing on a person? It's a fortune. There's no way in God's green earth, you know, that a pharmaceutical company is going to fit the bill, because it cost them more than probably what it would cost to do the vaccine, to genetically, like, link everybody into whether or not they had those other name like diseases, you know, that they decided to give the name for, you know, and then tell you that you're not healthy. So I say, are you healthy if you have a cold? Absolutely. You want your body to sneeze, and you want your body to get rid of that junk that's in your system and blow it out your nose or spit it out, whatever it is, you know, sweat it out, you know, and you want that. He's like, that's. That's a function of health, you know, to be able to recognize that, you know, silent, like there. And there's always, like, you know, things that you can do. Just do something really simple, pro bono. Eat real food, you know, and if. And look at how you feel like, even two or three days later after you eat something, you know, just like, you know, ever since I had, you know, dinner Monday night when I was out, you know, um, you know, it's just like I'm still feeling sluggish. You know, I'm so. I feel like I have brain fog, you know, and you didn't have brain fog before, so you have to go back and look at what foods you're eating and where those. Where are you feeling at, like, the next day? Like, if it's in a joint, you know, because that's where inflammation likes to pool or, you know, having diarrhea or constipation, you know, like in bloat and that kind of thing.

Sarah Ashley Neal: No, absolutely makes sense. And, um, gosh, I need you for three hours today. Not what this time going. The. What I love about this is it's leading on to how, you know, what. What are the warning signs? Because around, you know, autoimmunity or even some other triggers, diseases, of course, we can't go through them all by any means, but we were talking just now about the, you know, how people get used to it and they call it normal. Do people really know what it feels like to be well these days, or are they slowly each day, like you said, if you're not looking historically back to. And why I might feel like this, or was it down to sleep or was it because I was excited, exposed to xyz? Because a lot of people aren't going to know about the. The, um, the chemicals in half of these, you know, toxins. And. And it's. It's well known that a lot of inflammatory, you know, conditions, um, can arise because of the buildup of toxins. Is that correct?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Well, it is. You know, it's interesting that you say that, because earlier, um, this year, like, I've been using a product, um, for quite a while and, um, and I realized going, oh, man, I went through all of 20 like this, you know, this detox, like, tonification, so my liver could work better, you know. And it's always has the premise that your gut's got to be in good shape. If your gut isn't in good shape, you got to fix your gut first. Because when it's trying to get rid of toxins, it only has two places to put them. Either small molecules end up in the kidney, the bladder and the toilet, or the larger molecules up in your intestinal tract and then back in the toilet. So if there's damage in the intestinal tract, then some of those molecules are being recycled again and again and again, and that's how they end up. The liver gets overwhelmed in the. And they get stuck in your body someplace in Your weakest link, you know, like in fatty tissue. Like, think about how many prostate cancers there are. And like, you know, and also like breast cancer. Those are fatty tissues in the body. The brain's a fatty tissue, you know. And so, you know, when you have that, um, that aspect and that component, you know, I always look at like, you know what, you got to have a good gut. So anybody who works with me and we're doing one of these things, it's only 10 days when you were doing, or maybe 24 days, depending on whether or not you have to fix your gut first. And that usually takes a couple weeks, sometimes a month, you know, and then, um, like a 10 day detox tonification program, you know, so like six weeks, let's say max, max, you know, anywhere from 10 days to six weeks. So when you're doing that, you know, it's just like, you know, you got to make sure your gut's working, and then you have to make sure you're taking the proper nutrition and eating the proper foods, you know, and it's not foods that you don't. I've never met anybody. It's like, like, I don't like broccoli and I don't like Brussels sprouts or cauliflower. You can have my share. I'll find another vegetable that does the same thing, you know, that I like, and I help people make those choices to do that. But this year, in February, I did my 10 day detox because my gut was in shape. And I will tell you, like, on the third day, I'm 71 years old, and on the third day that I did this, I felt like a zillion bucks, you know, and it's just like, not just a zillion bucks, it's just like, you know, a quad zillion bucks. And I'm going, this is what I felt like when I was 38.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Wow. And that's just in a few days.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: And it was in a few days. And then when I finished it, I felt really great and I said, I want to do another one of these. And I just couldn't get, you know, it's just like I had, you know, like crisis after crisis and the, uh, in the consulting piece that I'm doing here, you know, and I just never got into. I had to get in the momentum because you have to have, you have to prep for it. You've got to like, okay, what do I need in the morning in order to get out the door? You know, what do I need at lunch? And what I need at dinner, you know, and then, you know, you prep for it, you know. And I always say make sure that uh, your day is on like the fifth day approximately out of the 10. You might have a sluggish day. So you might as well take one of those days and make it like on weekend, you know, so that, you know, you don't have to like, you know, be on like, you know, trolley or something like that and suddenly have to go to the bathroom for some apparent reason. And so, you know it, but it's like, but I'll tell you, and it's like it doesn't have like, uh, you're not in the restroom like the whole time of this detoxification. Because you never ever, ever want to detox the liver. You want to tonify the liver. You want the liver to do its job better. And if you take away the things that are like, stressing it out, like environmental toxins, things that are, uh, endocrine disruptors, you know, and things out of your diet, you know, like sugar is just a simple one. Don't eat bread, pasta or rice. It's just like, it's an easy big three. Another pro bono as an easy big three. Like to avoid, you know, if you want to start changing your life. And then, you know, when I went, when I go off of that, then I go back to intermittent fasting. And I was doing intermittent fasting when I was like 13. It was just something I was interested in. And I decided that, you know, that my, my sister just got married and they measured me for a large size dress for my sister, like the same size my mother wore. And I'm going like, oh my God, that's not happening. So I went on this like, you know, dancing to in the God of the Vita for 18 minutes, you know, doing all these exercises every day, you know, and it made a huge difference.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Well, this is, this is something else. It's about the consistency. I mean, m. You know, I haven't known you a long time, but from all your information and what we've talked about and I'm visually seeing you now, you look after yourself. You, um, clearly, you know, practice what you talk about. And there may be somebody else out there you're helping who has been on processed food and don't like, they don't like cooking. Their diet's not particularly good. So I can imagine it would. It can take slightly longer than maybe a few days. However, sometimes, sometimes I was just. Yes, I was just going to say that, you know, people can go onto this and have a. And after about three or four days, feel quite shocked at how well they can feel. So is it about mindset, uh, at the beginning of this? Because a lot of people don't go down this path because they think it's going to be months and months of, um, you know, shaking up their life and sacrifices. I mean, there's got to be some effort, though, surely, you know, for sure.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: But, you know, also, too, it's this, like, you know, people always think when they work with a coach, and a lot of coaches do this, a lot of coaches want you to go back to zero and do whatever program they're doing. You know, I don't do that. Why would I want to waste your time in your money? I want you to spend your money in your. In your time, in your resources that are structured so that you can get the best benefit out of something in the shortest period of time. So, you know, you look at what do you got going on and what's working and what's not working, the things that not working, you have to be willing to give, uh, up. And so someone goes, like, but I like ice cream. And I said, um, I said, have you ever seen somebody have a heart attack? You know, And I said, because it's one of the, uh, biggest foods that increases cardiovascular disease, you know, is ice cream. It has sugar, salt, it has dairy in it. You know, so in a lot of people, as we go on, more and more people have gluten sensitivities than ever before, you know, and it's just like the numbers are skyrocketing, and it's crappy food, it's processed food. One thing I love about your country is that you fall into the ECU of, like, what you can put in a food or not. So, for instance, our Heinz ketchup in the United States, which I have not put in my mouth for, like, probably 30 years, um, you know, has around, like, 20 more ingredients than yours. It has like, eight.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Yeah, I've heard, you know, I've heard

Dr. Pat Boulogne: things like, you know, you can and you could. Like, you know, people need to be willing to read labels, you know. But one thing that I've always found a big booster is, like, how you combine your foods. Because when you eat, like, you know, if you've got a car and your car runs on premium gasoline and you're giving it regular, it's always going to, like, putter. So that doesn't. It does, like, it doesn't quite get it, you know, and so, like, if. But if your Car runs like on, you know, regular gasoline. And you give it regular gasoline or even once in a while give it that boost or that other high octane. It acts totally different. You know, it's just like, wow, you know, I think I could get used to this, you know. And, um, so it's the same thing with our bodies. Like when we, you know, it's just like, do I ever eat sugar? I would tell you sometimes. But how? Like, um, in that way. And I don't eat a lot of fruit. One of the things about diabetes is that that fatty liver always precedes it. It's not a question. It's like always precedes it. That's the statistic that I've always read is that, you know, and you go, well, how do you get that? Well, if you eat fruit, people go, eating fruit's good. Well, not five servings in a day, you know, And a glass of orange juice. Serving size is only one third of a cup. You know, this is it.

Sarah Ashley Neal: It's. What's, what's a serving size? You know, I mean, I was always taught, um, one portion of fruit, uh, would be 25 grapes. Or it would be, I don't know, a small banana or whatever it is. But. But again, you know, it's. People can have something which is double the portion and be saying, uh, oh, I've only had one. One, One item today.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: They sell Almond Joys in two pieces, right. You know, the serving size is only one.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Are they chocolate

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Almond Joy? I don't know if you have it there or not, but it's just like, if you read the serving size, you know, and not only that, they lie to you because they, they say that juice is a cup, you know, and that's not, you know, it's just like they want you to drink it. Because when you drink that, you know, it's always. Think the pharmaceuticals companies are in with the food, food administration. So that. Because that one cup, you know, that you're having, if you spread it out, you're going like, but it tastes horrible if you put water in it. I said, nobody eats. In order to get a cup of oranges, you have to do three medium sized oranges to squeeze them to get the same amount, approximately, you know, maybe two and a half. But you have. That's a lot of oranges to eat. Nobody ever does that. You know, if they're small tangerines or like, you know, mandarins or clementines. Yeah, but not like, you know, oranges. It's like oranges navel Oranges in the United States are like small, gleeful. Right? And so, and you just have to like, look at like, what is the real, what is the real serving size? But if you, and I say anybody I work with, you know, I have them. Um, you know, we don't eat fruit for the first three weeks, you know, and then we add one fruit in back at a time. And then you can see how your body responds to that. And for people, that blood glucose flows, you know, monitors on it. They can see the, the change in a nanosecond.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Straight away.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Yeah.

Sarah Ashley Neal: So, um, appreciate your time's getting on. We won't be able to do like a full, uh, hour today. However, um, there's so much you really wanted to talk about. Have we got time to touch on because you were talking about premium foods we put in our body. Have you got a moment just to mention about the benefits of organic food versus not taking organic?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: You know, when, you know, what I find interesting is that, you know, when my mother grew up, um, and my, you know, like, they grew up on organic foods, not until they started making things like Duncan Hines, you know, and fake potatoes, like mashed potatoes, instant ones. Um, did, you know, did, did that, that change? And so I think, you know, you have to have a bank. If, you know, your bank's not solid, you know, then you have, then you have issues and you've got to figure out where the hole in the bucket is. Um, because surely there will be a hole in the bucket eventually. And so you have to, when you're looking at those like premium type foods, you've got to take a look at where they are processed, stay away from fruit, have more vegetables than have fruit, you know, um, and just generally speaking, you know, do I have fruit? I have like an apple. You know, especially this time of year, it's fall time for us. And you know, and there, there's so many apple orchards around here. Um, and so it's local, this kind of temperate climate. And so, and I look at, you know, like, you know, what do I do for like, you know, breakfast? Like, you know, I recently did a 21 day purification program and I had that same experience I had with my 10 day detox tonification program, you know, because I want to be able to tell people, I don't tell anybody to do something that I haven't done myself. Yeah, yeah. You know, and uh, it's just like, and I, I'm going to practice what I preach, you know, I have to be able to tell you what my experience is with that and like, what are, is there a shortcut? You know, and that's why I know that there's another like type of diet that you can tonify your body with than just going by the traditional one that goes with 10 day, um, in case you don't like all those cruciferous vegetables.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Um, yeah, a lot of people don't.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: But you know, but the thing is, you know, that there, it's like knowing where your food source and knowing how to combine it is important, you know, and it's not just what you eat, it's when you eat, you know, and so there's that whole, you know, that whole component to that part that has to be, you know, addressed and um, talked to in that regard, you know, and then, you know, I work with people, you know, one of my first clients was in Glasgow, you know, and he was a kid from Saudi Arabia who was going to school there. Um, you know, and you know, he, you know, wanted to know, you know, someone told him he was a slow learner and it's a change your food. You know, he graduated with two masters.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Wow.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: the same time, you know, and I just said to him, don't believe them. You know, everybody, if you asked anybody who's in a profession, especially technical profession, they read those chapters more than once. You know, sometimes they're going like, well, wait a minute, what are they saying? And then you kind of like list out like, you know, what's the key points of that? You know, so the um, you know, like, like what you eat, you know, it's not what you have the ability to eat, you know, it's what you have the ability to absorb.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Yes.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Fix your gut should change your life. Does that make sense?

Sarah Ashley Neal: No. Absolutely. Do you know, Dr. Pat, um, it is frustrating because I absolutely love these conversations and really getting deep into them and I know you can't give us it all away, but there is, there are so many areas that would be, um, would have loved to, love to have touched on today, but I know, I appreciate. You've got a meeting coming up in a few minutes, haven't you?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: I do.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Doing this slightly backwards, but I mean, obviously I'd like to tell people where we can find you and I can grab those details and put in the show notes anyway. But in terms of your own work, congratulations to you because you've been on the front cover of New York magazine magazines at 70, so I'm in awe of you.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Ah.

Sarah Ashley Neal: I showed someone something the other day and they said she Looked gorgeous. She doesn't look that age. Um, but I really do think it's down to lifestyle and practice and um, and the food we eat. But just as I said, viewers, please, and you know, please go to your own doctor. Take, you know, don't just, you know, stop taking your medicine. Obviously you've got to listen to your own health practitioner, etc. Or doctors. Pats, um, I mean I would love you to come back on the show. I'll start saving up for you if I have to. Um, but you've got a method called the sustained excellence method and I appreciate we haven't got time to go into it in depth, but is that something that, that you use to, to help people with their 10 days and 21 day detoxes or is that separate it.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: It falls under that. And I've also added on to that like a 360, you know, method. So the staying methods kind of evolving into this like, you know, when you think of 3:60, it's not just like, you know, between 12 and 3 o' clock on a clock. The 360 is like the whole circle, you know, because you have to take the whole balance and into account, you know. And you know, when I studied Chinese medicine, you know, this, it's like one of the things that I thought was very cool was that outside the front of the Olympic Training center was this guy standing with his hands up in his hands pointed like, like this. And so, um, I went, wow, that's Chinese, you know, anatomy, right? It's just like proper positioning. And Western medicine is with your hands down at your side, you know. And when you globally go up and change this, it's like you understand what, like when, how the universe works with like coming from up, down, down to the body and then back up the body, you know, and then back out to your hands, you know this. That's like, it's just, there's a lot of like symbolisms, especially in Chinese medicine, um, that we don't that in other alternative medicine. Because my first training was as a chiropractor. Structure is function. If you don't have good structure, you can't have good biomechanics. If you don't have good biomechanics, you can't have good function. Something's got to give along the way. It is optimistic and putting it all the pieces together, you can have it all, you know, you can. It's just like, well, I have this, uh, doesn't mean you have something. Doesn't mean you went, you know like, you can't do something about it. There's always something you can do to improve. It's just like, where's your vision of where you want to go? And what's the path does it take to get there? You know, because some paths are longer, some of them are shorter. And so it might, you know, take a look at, say you want to go here, but let's do this goal first, you know, and then do this goal here, because it will be a lot easier to achieve that big, bad goal, that audacious goal that you have down here, you know, by, like, you know, taking chunks off of it, you know, then it won't feel overwhelming, you know, like, for people who want to lose weight, just like, oh, I want to lose 50 pounds. Well, you can lose 50 pounds, but let's focus on walking up the hill and where's the first telephone pole at? You know, let's walk there first, you know, and then take a break and say, like, okay, so what's really going on here? You know, do I have the stamina? Do I have the health? Do I have the mentality to, like, go to the next telephone pole? You know, it's just like, because you don't want to take away your health while you're doing, trying to do something, you know, you want to, like, enhance your health, too. Right. So there's a way to do it in a very balanced way. Um, and so you're not taking away from your career, your relationships, or any other aspect of your life.

Sarah Ashley Neal: It's not one or the other. Basically. It's got to be a. Yeah. Journey towards that. I love this. Thank you ever so much. You coming on today, because you do have to shoot. Don't you forget.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Uh, I've got to interview somebody in, like, seven minutes. Wow.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Absolutely.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: I just. I have to switch my brain. Well, goodness me.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Yeah. I'd love to have you back on the show one day if I just do some snippets, too.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Yeah.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Because there's just, uh. I feel like we've really done introductions today and some highlights, and I'm certainly, um, you know, just know you've got so much knowledge, and I. And if we can direct anybody towards you, you know, I think I'll be coming on board myself next time, next year, because we all. I mean, wellbeing as you know, and I know a lot of stuff, but sometimes it's nice to have someone to help you be accountable and. And just somebody outside of your own head to talk to. So if anybody does, ah, want to see Dr. Pat or talk to Dr. Pat. Is it LinkedIn first or website?

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Uh, well, we found each other on LinkedIn, you know, and my website is called healthteam network.com and that has a lot of different ways to reach out to me and, uh, information on, on the website, um, it is going to be. I've been in the process of starting to update it, you know, on a slow process. And, um, because I'm not always available when the person who's doing it's available. So it's going to be, you know, hopefully by the first of next year, I'll have it completely the way that I want to have it, you know. And, um, and also I'm on Facebook, you know, under my name, you know, it says like a Dr. Pat. The doctor and Pat are together. You can't do that on the personal side. But on my business side, it's Dr. Papillon, you know, lifestyle strategist, you know, and I'm happy to be able to strategize for people. I love creating solutions for convoluted problems. Or maybe they're not problems, they're just like situations, you know, because I think if we look at problems, then, then we feel overwhelmed by it immediately, you know, and let's, let's not do that. Let's. Let's like, you know, elevate, you know, all like jfk, you know, um, John Fitzgerald Kennedy always has this quote that says, and I love it, you know, rising tide, you know, lifts all boats. Well, my job, how I say it, is to make sure your boat doesn't have any holes, so you sink.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Wonderful. What a fabulous note to leave it on for today. Absolutely magic. And I absolutely love that because, uh. Yeah, you talk my language. So, um. Thank you. No, you really do. You just really do. Because it's, it's just not have to be one or the other. And, uh, it's the overwhelm. That's why people often don't start. And that's why it's called the Be youe Start now show. Let's start doing something together. So I will let you go and, um, very much appreciate your time. It's extremely valuable. I know and, um, humbled that you came on the show today. So thank you very much.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: I appreciate being here and love being here. I love your energy.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Wonderful. Take care. Thank you very much. Bye.

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Bye.

Sarah Ashley Neal: Remember, our show is about helping you to create healthier habits in the life you live now. Until new lifestyle practices change how you live your life, well, that's it. For today's episode. Thank you so much for listening and taking time out to join us. If you enjoyed the show, it would be really great if you could leave a review on whatever platform you've been listening to this on. And I look forward to welcoming you back to the show next week. This has been your host, Sarah, Ashley, Neal,

Dr. Pat Boulogne: Sam.