A Soul Surfer’s Guide To Living An Unthinkable Life With Marcel Kuhn

Speaker A: Welcome to Take the lead radio with Dr. Diane Hamilton, where she interviews some of the most successful leaders, entrepreneurs, authors, speakers and other individuals who will inspire you to take the lead in your career and personal life. And now, here is Dr. Diane Hamilton.

Speaker B: Welcome to Take the lead radio. I'm Dr. Diane Hamilton and I'm so glad you joined me today because my guest is Marcel Kuhn. He is a speaker, coach and founder of Unthinkable, uh, Mastermind, and also the author of Unthinkable Life Teachings from a Soul Surfer. It's so nice to have you here, Marcel.

Speaker C: Thank you so much for having me. Um, I have waited for this moment for years.

Speaker B: Well, I've known you for years and I know you've been working on a book for a long time. And I was so honored that you asked me to look at it and make comments because I know you put your heart and soul into this. And uh, I'm very excited to get into that. But I want to get a little backstory on you first. Uh, a lot of people want to know what led you to this level of success. So just. Can you tell me your backstory?

Speaker C: Okay, yeah, I can tell you, um, my backstory. So I come from, uh, Switzerland, so a landlocked country. And um, I was brought up in a, ah, family of entrepreneurs. My great uncle actually invented the pressure cooker in 1949, which is, which was a huge innovation. And uh, yeah, so, so this family business is like the fifth generation now. And uh, and in the 1960s, my grandfather and great uncle, they, because they had such a success in the company, they, they um, they helped the Tibetan refugees in Switzerland to get jobs and housing. So the philanthropy is part of the family DNA. So, so they helped those refugees to come to Switzerland and then they realized that they needed, they needed to have the foundation and they needed to have a home, um, to, to practice their religion, I don't know if if it's the correct word, but yeah, yeah, they wanted to create the space that they feel at home. So together with, uh, His Holiness Dalai Lama, they, they created the monastery in, in Switzerland. And now it's one of the, um, it's, I think it's the, the biggest uh, Tibetan literature library in, in all of Europe. And um, many, many famous Buddhists like Tina Turner who lives in Switzerland, and Richard Gere, uh, who is also a well known Buddhist, they, they come there and visit and, and so, so they, they um, allowed. They, they created this monastery and they had, they have 12 monks. And in my book, I also had the chance to. To interview, um, the Abbott of the. The current Abbott of the monastery. So, so this was. That's my understanding of success. So first you're successful and when you're successful, you do something that impacts. So do philanthropy. And that's. That was the model of reference for me. And this, this put a lot of pressure on me. No one in my family ever told me to be successful, but that's what I expected from me. Uh, and this put a lot of stress on me because I, I stress myself m. To do something like that, to have a legacy, to impact like on a worldwide scale. And. Yeah, and that, uh, that. That's what I thought was success and fulfillment.

Speaker B: That's. That's a lot of pressure for somebody. And I, I think that, you know, it's part of what uh, I wrote about it in terms of curiosity how our environment will have a big impact on which way we go and what we look into. And you're obviously very curious. Uh, and I love that. And you probably got a lot of that from your environment of all that background. But uh, what inspired you to write this book? Unthinkable, because I know you had some different ideas as we've talked through the years of what you wanted to write about. What made you land on this?

Speaker C: Yeah. Um, so, um, I feel the topic of the book, uh, was my kind of search. Right? I was chasing success. I was searching for it all my life. I always felt uh, a lack. I felt not good enough. And um, so I was always looking at people. Why are they successful? Why is my brother successful? My dad. Why is my, you know, I have two brothers, so I'm the middle one. I was always asking myself, why are those people successful? And I always looked for, for outside, um, like for completion from the outside. And, and then I was, you know, I had moderate success. I was, I was a lean manager, lean ah, consultant in corporations. And I was. I was working at Nestle in um, in 2015 and then um, a member of the family passed away in a tragic, tragic ah, accident. And, and um, that really, um, you know, that really disrupted my life because you, when you're Young, in the 20s and 30s, you believe you will be 100. So as. As 20 year old, as a 30 year old, you think you have like an eternity left and it doesn't matter how much how you use the time. So you. The youth, uh, the young people, they use all their energy to be successful and they don't realize that they have to enjoy their 20s and 30s now because uh, it will not come back. So a family tragic caused me to take a deep look at myself at the funeral. I asked myself, who would come to my funeral? What is my legacy? What would people say about me? What would my three sons say about me? And uh, out of this question, um, I, I asked myself, why are some people successful and fulfilled and other people not? And I had this idea, uh, to write a book where I would ask a thousand people on success and fulfillment. And so I went out there. Had I. In within five minutes or 10 minutes, I had a title, and it was called Achievers A Thousand Ways to Success and Fulfillment. And I had 10 questions. And without having an idea like you, you have interviewed, um, you know, the top people in leadership worldwide. And I, I had no idea how to do an interview. So sort of. So that I just went out there and I had these 10 questions. I didn't even have a recording device. I just went out there and um, the. I think the second guest was John Maton, who is, uh, who used to be the leadership coach of Steve Jobs one year before he passed. So I was surprised that people would come back to me. And so. So that. That's how the book started, with this. This kind of, um, setting. That's how it started.

Speaker B: Well, you know, it's. It's very interesting because it's close to how I felt. I wanted to find out why people were curious and I wanted to interview all these amazing people. And that kind of led to my interest in the curiosity work I've done. But I mean, you mentioned an example of somebody who you think was really interesting, but you had a lot of people, as you mentioned that, who you've interviewed. So I'm curious if there's like an inspiring story that standed, you know, stood out to you or stands out to you, or examples, uh, of insights that really blew you away,

Speaker C: I think. So, um, I think one of the people I found really exciting and, um, inspiring was, um, Mustafa Salome, who was, uh, born as a refugee. Palestinian refugee. He was born in a refugee camp with nine siblings. And uh, his father wasn't able, um, um, to get enough money to feed his children. So he helped his father because I think he was older. So he helped his father to feed the family. And he had this big dream of becoming a hotel food and beverage manager. And he was. He was. At that time he was living in Jordan and. And he ended up making it. He was, uh, um. He was working in a. In a restaurant. And then he had. He met someone who gave him A job in the. For the ambassador of Jordan in England. And that's from there he went on studied um, um hotel management and he became the food and beverage manager from Sheraton. But at one night so he was really reaching his dream and he was really successful at what he thought was successful. But one night he wakes up uh, uh from a vivid dream at, at 3am in the morning and, and he, he had a dream of praying on the top of the. Of Everest and and here um. So he was, he was uh, not working out and, and and um. And he set his mission of, of doing that of going up to. Oh I'm sorry the beep. Sorry. So so he made. He had this mission to, to go go up there to Mount Everest and he did it. And, and um. He got endorsement from the king of Jordan and from not having hiked. The only sport he was doing was lifting the beer and smoking and partying and and he went 3ah months later he he already climbed. And and as a refugee as, as how he started he was able to. To uh reach the seven summits. So the seven peaks, um like the highest peaks of each continent. Plus for a guy from Jordan he ski to the north and South Pole. He learned how to ski at 39. And this was inspiring because I had I, I you know um, growing up, being spoiled, having all the adaptation and this guy just, just creates this massive impact. And then a girl challenged him, a 11 year old girl, um, a cancer patient challenged him because he was a keynote speaker. And then this girl said but what? You know, and so what? So you climb mountains, so what? And so this cancer patient challenged him to climb for something more meaningful than just for the sake of climbing. And since then um, he funded um. He um, collected $6 million for cancer patients.

Speaker B: Wow.

Speaker C: So this 11 year old girl challenged this guy who was super successful. Since then he has, he has done so much and he has taken uh six women from Jordan. He has taken them to the Mount Everest and it was the first time um, there were you know, Jordan Arabian woman on Mount Everest and all of them had a mission of impact. So so he really um, inspired me you know that we are capable of so much more than we think.

Speaker B: Oh we definitely. I you brought up so many people I've had on the show from people who've climbed all the summits blind and to uh, uh. Scott Harrison who created Charity Water when he was just he self, you know admits that he was just a partying kind of guy and one day decided to change his life and now he has this unbelievable charity. The people who are able to do these things always inspire me. And uh, I'm curious, as you listen to what you're talking about and what we've discussed about your book, what have you changed? What have you incorporated from these stories? Is there some major insight that changed what you do on a daily basis?

Speaker C: Yeah. So I think when I started out, I was putting those people on pedestals and I realized that they have the same challenges. So they have their experience divorces, they have illness and all that.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker C: So all of them are humans. But, but I realized that I am as successful and extraordinary as everyone. Everyone is. Right? So. So that's what I realized, that we are all extraordinary. And what, what made. What set them apart from, from the normal people, there is no normal. But from the normal people or ordinary people is that they do the unthinkable. So. And unthinkable was the common denominator of, of that. That's why the, the book is called Unthinkable. And so what I do daily, I do something unthinkable each day. And I ask myself this question. I have it in front of me. What do you disrupt today? So, um, habits are structures. And every habit has limit. Every structure has a limit. So if you do the same habits, even if it's a, uh, 10k run, at some point you will reach um, the limitation of this habit. So you have to create habit and disrupt them. And what I realized about unthinkable is actually every person has the unthinkable inside. It's a decision and you probably would call it curiosity. Right. So everyone has the immense power to achieve unthinkable things. And unthinkable is not something. You don't have to climb Everest to do the unthinkable. You know, it can be that uh, you have an accident and you lost. Lost ability to walk. And some people make it back to be able to walk. So that's unthinkable, um, for that person. So unthinkable, um, isn't the grand things, it's really personal and it's connected to, to, to um, to you. So it's personal, it's connected to your purpose and it has to be connected with catching your dreams. Just doing the unthinkable, um, of the sake of doing the unthinkable. There is no purpose in that. But if you catch your dreams, you become the best version of yourself. And as, as the best, best version of yourself, you're the best version for, for uh, all, all the People around you and, and you have the most impact in your life.

Speaker B: You know, it ties so much into what I research, as you mentioned, with curiosity, but also perception. And what's interesting to me, uh, having taught thousands of business courses is what seems very simple to one person can seem overwhelming to another. It's the same exact thing. And there's a mindset involved of how we look at it. And with curiosity I look at it as getting out of status quo thinking. And that's what you're kind of saying too. But then you're also saying we need to have these habits and practices to get out of our status quo. Um, how can you have habits and practices and still do something that gets you out of the doing habits and practices? You know what I'm saying? It seems like there's a little bit of a, ah, a conflict in some ways. If you think about it initially.

Speaker C: It's, it's a, what I learned in my, while researching for this book is that whatever I was taught is absolutely untrue for me. So it's all, it's all paradox.

Speaker B: Mhm.

Speaker C: So what, what you are getting at, it's the balance between, you know, it's a balance, it's all a balance act. Right. So to, to live in flow, I talk a lot about flow. Right. To live in flow, you need a structure. Because if you look at the river, a river only flows if it, if the river has a riverbed. Right. And that's the same for, for, for us, for, for rituals. So the rituals give you structure, but then you, to be in flow and to be your best, you have to create space for, to explore, to be curious. Right. Because if we stay in our comfort zone, curiosity is about, uh, going outside of your comfort zone. So the unthinkable is always outside of the comfort zone. Right. Just sitting on the sofa, uh, and just being there doesn't have a really big impact. So I don't know if that answers the question, but it's all a matter of balance, I think.

Speaker B: You know, you have to have, you can't be completely structured, but you have to have some structure to get to where you're going. And uh, I think it's an interesting concept individually, but you also talk about this with teams. So how do you become, uh, how do you work the unthinkable mindset when you're dealing with a team?

Speaker C: Yeah, I think that that's, that's really, that's really difficult. So I, I, um, I was a lead manager in corporations and I tried to, to Take these principles, you know, into the corporate environment. But, but then you really have to, you know, it's a paradigm shift. So, so most people are not comfortable, um, to, to get, to get outside of their structures because they seem to have, um, the. Having the control is illusion.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker C: Right. So, so it's uh, it's really difficult. Um, and I think people, people are comfortable, uh, to be in the linear because it's so predictable, even though we don't know if it's going to happen. So, so I, I cannot really give you a good answer how, how to do it because it has to do individually. But what, uh, what I learned is that, um, people are not passionate about. If I tell them, uh, you, you get 2% more efficient. That doesn't move the people. That, that's something that the managers say, the leaders say. But if you want to move people, you have to get, give them a reason, um, that is connected to the fulfillment. So if I, if I tell someone, if we do this, we work better as a team and, and we will be more fulfilled and we have more space and we maybe do less meetings, but we have more time to do massive impact work. So, so I think, I don't know if this answers your question really well, but I, I realized that I, I had to give tools for the person to, to change, to impact themselves on a personal level. And then they bring, then they come to the, uh, to the place of work in a much better state. So, so that, that's what I was doing. But I, you know, I, I was, I'm a little bit awkward because I have a different, uh, point of view. So my perception is different. So sometimes I had to deal with that, that I, you know, oh, he's just a surfer guy and he's not so serious.

Speaker B: Well, I, I think it's. What you're talking about is kind of something I talked about. Yesterday I was actually interviewed by the CEO of uh, coaching dot com. Alex interviewed me. And you know, these coaches have a lot of stress, like to help these organizations you obviously coach. So you know what I'm talking about. There's a lot to deal with when you've got all these different personalities and, and when you're trying to work with all this, it becomes a cultural change. And I teach a lot of courses where I ask a student, I didn't write this question, but it was written for me in one of the courses I teach. Um, is it easier to change an individual or the overall corporate culture? Is one of the questions that they ask them in this class, there's no right answer, obviously, but because it's. Everybody has a different perception of this, but, um, how hard is it to change the culture, to get this unthinkable mindset?

Speaker C: My perception is that you cannot change the organization if you don't change the individual. So for me, in my experience, and I have been now in this 16 years in, um, continuous improvement management, I realized that, uh, that uh, if, if the person doesn't change from within. So if you don't change on a personal level, you cannot change your organization. So it goes from me to the team to the organization. That, that's, that's, that's how I see it.

Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker C: And so, and, and I think I was so frustrated in the corporate. That's why I want to. I, I want to step out because I felt like the, the people weren't to, uh, disrupt themselves. That was too far outside of the comfort zone. So I failed in that. But, um, I feel that as a dad, I have the chance of creating this culture in my family. And, uh, the same principles, um, of a company culture applies to family culture. It's just a smaller scope, but it's a. That, that's what I do in, in my family with my kids. You know, I create structure and disruption and I create space for, for being, and I create possibilities for action. So, so I do that in, in, in my family.

Speaker B: Yeah. It's so important when you're talking about disruption, it reminds me of having Jay Salmon on my show. He, uh, wrote Disrupt you and Disrupt Yourself. Uh, he was talking about how every day you should write down things that you wish would be changed that drive you crazy or whatever, and eventually you'll come up with an idea for a company or a product or something that you could change the world. And I like that idea. It's a really good book. And, um, I think sometimes it's just simple things that we need to do to just tweak what we do already. But, uh, what I found really interesting about you is that you use your surfing and water behind you. If anybody's watching this, you've got from the book, uh, the Surf behind you. You use it as a metaphor for living your unthinkable life of limitless potential. What's the deal with the water and the surfing? And give me a little backstory on that.

Speaker C: Yeah. So. So when I was 17, 18, I, I had the opportunity to go to California and, And um, be a foreign exchange student. And I had, I had this big dream, um, to, to learn how to surf. And that's actually at 18, I really felt in my element in the water. So all my life I felt in my element in the water. So it was natural to, to go to the surfing. And I just realized so many times that the ocean and the waves are a good teacher to learn about flow because the, uh, I say, uh, in life we have the waves, right? So we have opportunities and challenges and it happens like waves. Like in the ocean sometimes you, you're just, you know, just doing your life and suddenly you have three wipeouts. You know, like, I don't know, like separation happens. You lose someone, it's always, it always comes together. So how, how to stay in flow, um, when, when something like that happens. And I realized that at the same as, as I, I do in surfing, I, it can. You. I can apply to life. So, so in. Every wave is different, so every challenge is different. And I know, um, that there are many business courses that teach you how to be, uh, how to create the organization, like, um, like Elon Musk or like, um, uh, Jeff Bezos. So I studied Amazon business case. And this wave will never happen again, right? So if you have this, if you learn from this, uh, it will never be exactly the same. So, so every wave is different. So you have to adapt yourself, right? And you have to be really present. Of course it's good to study the history, but I think it's really good to be in the present. And when we are in the present, actually that's when the exponential happens, right? When we detach from the past experiences and detach from thinking about the future, then we are not in scarcity mindset. And I think Peter Diamandis talks about, and I know you've talked to him, uh, he talks about abundance. And if you, if you're scared from the future and regret, uh, the past, you, you cannot embrace the present. So surfing, uh, taught me patience and surfing taught me how to deal with wipeouts. And it's, it's a really amazing metaphor. Yeah.

Speaker B: Uh, it's interesting. I was a swimmer, so I get the water. And I liked your analogy earlier about the river needs to, to flow. It needs a path and all that. And, and I want to come back to that with what, how do we make this path? What are, what are the steps? And, uh, what. How do we get this mindset? I mean, it sounds good. I know we want to get out of the status quo. If you keep. I agree with you, that Amazon thing won't happen again exactly as it did. And the people like that ran Kodak or Blockbuster. Some of these was hoping that they could keep doing this over and over again, but it goes away and you got to learn a new way. So how do we learn this new way?

Speaker C: Yes. So, um, I use one ritual I have that, that's what I mentioned before with this, uh, uh, with the daily questions. So you can ask yourself, um, bigger questions, then you get bigger answers. Right. Um, so in my case, I ask myself how, how do I disrupt today? So I think each day. And this is a ritual. So I do this every day. I think about ways how to disrupt myself. And that can be as simple as when I go to the, to the store, I buy different things. And, and, and, and when you do grocery shopping, it really, it's a disruption if you buy different vegetables and different, uh, just different foods, you have to disrupt yourself or you, you take another path to, to your job. Right. So, uh, creating different experiences will get you different results. So, so that's, that's how I acquire mindset like that. And it sounds so simple, but it, it really works. So when you ask yourself such question and, and, and for you can be something different. But for me is one, one question I like is so I do something unthinkable each day, even, you know, like, uh, today in the morning, I was in the Lake of Zurich, which is, uh, I, I guess 50 Fahrenheit today, and I stayed maybe 10 minutes in there and uh, I just swim. I took, I, I led, uh, a group, uh, a few people I let. To do that.

Speaker B: Uh-huh.

Speaker C: And so, so that, that's a disruption today. And, and so you can continue disrupting yourself each day. And yeah, so that, that's, I think that's a simple practice you can do. And, and it's connected to your, you know, curiosity. Right?

Speaker B: Yeah, I, I think so. You know, because it's about. You don't know what you don't know. My husband makes fun of me when I say that. He goes, what does that mean exactly? And I go, well, there's so many things you've never tried, and you're making your decisions based on limited knowledge. You're, you're assuming you're not going to like something. Uh, but maybe you've only had a tiny bit of the experience and you don't even know what else is out there. Yes, I'd love to realize that. Uh, and I think that that probably was a lot of what Dr. Maya Zell hitch and I found when we wrote our book on perception. Because you're sitting in the one spot that no one else is sitting in this spot. Just like no one else is sitting in that Amazon spot. Never will be again. And everything's constantly changing and you have to open up your mind to what everybody else is seeing, what their reality is and their perceptions. But I think a lot of us can be control freaks sometimes and we like things to be a certain way. And I'm as guilty as anyone else on that one. So how do we let go?

Speaker C: I, uh, think that that was, um, the biggest, biggest learning I had, I had in the last few years. And I think that that's not something I say. I, I'm, um, I do it well yet, you know, I, I practice it daily to let go, like, of emotions. When you go through divorce, you have to let go. Or when my kids walk out of the door, I only see them, I don't know, a week later, you have to let go. So. So, um, it seems so simple. Letting go is actually, it's, it's a passive act. It's, it's not letting go, it's not active, but it's like letting it be. And that's so difficult. And in my book, I talk so much about surrender. Mhm. And so for me, in surfing or in the cold water or you know, in, uh, situations in relationship, it's actually unthinkable. Is not about being tough, it's about surrendering to it, to the, to the element. Right. Surrendering. Surrendering to the, to the water. Surrendering to a difficult situation. Surrendering to that cold water. You don't fight the cold water because you always lose if you fight against the ocean. Yeah. You know that when you, when you have done an open water swim, if you fight the current, you will lose. If you fight the waves, you lose. So surrender for me is not, um, giving up, it's. It's giving in and it's being totally relaxed and not fighting it. So, so that, that's, that's what I practice daily. And for me, when I'm in a, uh, state of absolute panic, that even happens. When I was surfing, I was, I was in my element surfing and suddenly have this thought, oh my God, I don't know how, how, um, I have enough coaching clients to sustain myself financially. So going from a moment of pure bliss, I'm suddenly in a moment of where the ego comes in and okay, that's all good. You live in flow. But, but how, how do I, uh, take care of my kids? And you know, so in that moment, what I practice is, uh, gratitude. Right. That, that grounds me and say, okay, you know, that that's letting go, uh, being grateful. And that's. Maybe it sounds really too simple, but it really, it's really powerful.

Speaker B: You know, you're. As you're talking about this, it reminds me of that Chris Hemsworth show that's out. Have you watched it on Disney where he. Limitless, Disney plus or whatever it was?

Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. It's called Limitless.

Speaker B: Limitless, yes. And that was a great. I really enjoyed watching that. And he has to do these horrible things, talk about and think about walking across some of that stuff. I was the cold water. I'm sure you can relate to some of the cold water stuff and some of the stuff you do, but I think that it was a really, um, impactful show. I hope people watch that because I love that. But you do your own thing. You do this mastermind, as I mentioned at the beginning. So I want to know what do you do in these masterminds? And tell me a little more about that.

Speaker C: So what I've done now is, um, sometimes it's, um, like speeches from different people and coming in and. Because storytelling really disrupts ourselves. And the other part, a, uh, concrete example is the cold water. So I took a group of people to the cold water. That. That's what I do often. So that's what I do weekly. On Tuesday mornings, I take people to the cold water. And that's all winter long in Switzerland.

Speaker B: Oh.

Speaker C: So. Meaning. Yeah, it's. It's really cool. It's not, It's. It's not, uh, like when you're in. When you're in Texas and you have ice. Ice, um, you know, uh, ice bath. Because outside it's warm, but outside is cold too. So it's. It's really disruptive. And, and that for me, the cold water is a really, really good example, you know, how much you're capable of. Because people, before they start, they feel they are not capable of that. And everyone I, uh, I've taken was capable of doing that. And. And, um. So it's called now. Now they call it Wim Hof. But I've done that all my life. So I've always been drawn to the cold water as a. As a child, and I didn't realize.

Speaker B: What did you say they call it?

Speaker C: Uh, yeah, so there is this there. The guy that really popularized it is a. Is a Dutch guy called Wim. Wim Hof. And he's really famous on his own. All the podcasts, um, Joe Rogan and Tim Ferriss. And all those podcasts and uh, yeah, so he created the whole method around it and it's about, yeah, it has elements like, like yoga and, and breathing and the cold water and. Yeah, I, I've adapted that, but I've, I've done that already. In my, in my childhood I was always drawn to the cold water.

Speaker B: You know, I got drawn to the cold water accidentally. Last week I was in California, I went to Big Bear and I was going to get on my kayak in the 38 degree cold water. And uh, getting in the kayak, it hit a wave and I went face planted first, face first into the water. And that wakes you up, I'll tell you what. But I got, I didn't stay in long, I have to give you credit for that. I haven't really experimented with the cold water things. Um, I remember going to a couple of these events. Tony Robbins, du Mantis and all those were all there. And they were a couple of different people there were talking about doing it. And I see a lot of people do that. I haven't quite embraced that yet, but it's on my bucket list to try. I love the water. The cold part. I gotta, you know, I'm a Phoenix girl, I'm from Arizona, so I'm cold when it's 70, so I gotta give you credit for doing that. Um, I think though, all these things that you said were really important for people. I really enjoyed reading your book and I learned a lot of things and I loved how much it tied into what I research and um, what I'm trying to get out there as well. It's, it's the getting out of doing things the same old way. It's the if you want to grow, you have to let go a little bit. You have to think of things that you never would have thought of and push yourself. Because for me I see too many people exist instead of live. They just kind of are ants on, uh, their trail. And they just, you know, it's, it's this groundhog, uh, day movie where you just get up, you do the same thing. And it's just so boring to me. And to some other people, they don't find it boring. They think that that's okay. What do you say to those people who say, yeah, I'm fine, you know, I mean, do we need to make them more limitless and doing unthinkable things? Or do you just, or would they be happier or should you just let them be ants?

Speaker C: I, I think I would let them be and first work with the people who want to change and who. Who want to do something exciting. And, and. And this doesn't mean it's a, it's not a hierarchy. It's not that the CEOs are doing more than thinkful. They can be totally stuck in a ways. And the homeless, homeless person can be totally ready to disrupt their limitations. Right? So going for a homeless person to go to a uh, To a job is really. It's really challenging because they, it's. It's not easy for them to clean up and to be ready and, and to be responsible. They don't even. Maybe you don't. They don't have the bank stuff so they. It's hard for them to get a job. So. So for me unthinkable is not for a certain group of people, it's really for the ones uh, that. That are. That are really ready to. To go to next step. And I, I've heard that like the tipping point. If one. I think that's the same for a cure by curiosity. If you can shift 1% of the world population, you will have a tipping point where you have a paradigm shift. So you don't have to uh. Think about uh. 8 billion people. You can just shift the 1% and you will reach a tipping point. And before you said about. You talked about the walking dead. Like the people that seem like they have checked out the you know like people I call like the people that say they are mature. I find it really, really sad because what. What happens to nature when it's mature? The fruit falls, right. It's dead. So I, I don't like to. To be um.

Speaker A: Uh.

Speaker C: In maturity. I like to be exploring and living. So like um. The book of um. Of Michelle Obama she talks about becoming. So I don't want people to be um. Um. You know a noun. I want people to be uh. A um verb. So. So stay moving process. And. And a friend of mine who is actually producing the music for my book. So I'm gonna have ah. An album that. That um. That shares the message of my book in. In vibration. So in music. Right. So not touching the mind but touching the. The body. Like the music touches much more than the mind. Right. And um. My friend Ollie Gabriel, he's m. A musician. He's amazing. He's so talented and he has a really cool song that I uh. Yeah. I would recommend you to. To listen which covers exactly that. It's called Living a Life. Living. Living Alive. So are you living or are you just alive? Right, that's exactly the Question.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker C: No, that's the. So this is challenging, like, to say this quote. Are you. Are you just living? Ah. Are you living or are you just existing? Right.

Speaker B: Yeah. I think that it's such an important distinction. And I don't think a lot of people recognize when they've gotten into a rut and they're just doing the same old thing. And I think I meet a lot of people who, uh, friends who all take hiking or do something they've never done. They go, I had no idea that this life was even out here. I was on, you know, in New York, and there's cement and, you know, and there was no mountains. And so I think, you know, surrounding yourself with people who are the same kind of unthinkable people can be really helpful. A lot of what I teach in a lot of the courses is this importance of mentorship and coaching and some of the stuff, all the things you do. Right. So what would you say you want people to take away the most from your work with unthinkable? I mean, did we touch on everything? If you get the last word here, what would you like everybody to know?

Speaker C: So I think what is really important is that everyone has, um, the chance to do the unthinkable. So everyone is extraordinary. And it's actually, it's just a decision. It's like with curiosity, embrace it and just be. It's a decision. And I think, uh, doing the unthinkable is about being your best self, your authentic self. And I. So that's so important, you know, that you're yourself, right? That you live your best self. And if you. If you live your best self, you are not a copy. Because as a lean manager, I was replaced within a few hours. Right? So when I. When I quit my job, um, a few hours later, they can find someone else. But if I talk about surfing and I talk, uh, about my stories, I'm not replaceable because I'm unique. I'm the only one. So be, you know, do the unthinkable. Be extraordinary. Everyone is. And find your. Find, uh, something that the heart calls you to. So it. It's connected to your dreams and to your purpose. And, um, going after what excites you is never random. So at 18, I started surfing, or 17, and now it becomes a part of my career. So. So it's never random, um, when you follow your excitement, that is so important.

Speaker B: And I really enjoyed reading your book, and I was so excited for it to be out, and I was really appreciative that you wanted to be on the show. I wanted to make sure people could find your book and find you. Is there a website or something you'd like to share?

Speaker C: Yeah, so, so my main website is unthinkableliving.com and the book can be found on Amazon and it's now in, in uh, uh, Kindle and paperback on Amazon. Uh, and yeah, you find it under my name. There are many, uh, um, like books or movies that are called Unthinkable. But if you look for my name, Unthinkable Life Teachings from Soul Surfing, Marcel Kun. You. You will find it. And in a, in a month or so, it will be out as a audiobook as well. That's awesome. Stay tuned. Follow me because it's um. Um, my friend Ollie Gabriel will produce the music. So in the next months, however long it will take, the music will be out and, and I'm so excited about that because I don't know any book that has, uh, album that is connected to it.

Speaker B: That's awesome. I didn't know that about it. So thanks for letting me know on. Ah, that and I. I'm looking forward to that part and this was so much fun. Marcel, thank you so much for being on the show.

Speaker C: Thank you so much.

Speaker B: Oh, you're welcome.