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More Perfect Marketing

Hosted by David Baer

★4.9on Apple Podcasts · 19 recent reviews

How can small businesses make incremental improvements in their marketing? This show explores how to think strategically (rather than tactically) and develop systems that support predictable and consistent business growth. For many businesses, marketing feels like a necessary evil...

256 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2025-03-17 · ~34 min/episode

Rank

#1384

Substance

70.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Marketing rank

#191 of 991

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Across the index

#1384 of 6181

Substance

Top 22%

outscores 78% of the index

Why it scores where it does

More Perfect Marketing ranks #1384 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 70.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on specificity & evidence and insight density. The episode has several concrete data points - a real client example with exact spend and revenue figures across two Google channels, a $20,000 closed deal from one email, and open-rate benchmarks - which lift the score meaningfully. Some claims (e.g. '95% text open rates') are stated without sourcing.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

15.0 / 20

The episode delivers a handful of genuinely actionable tactics - shoulder-season text blasts, lead nurture sequencing with explicit timing, and the 7-part email framework - but they are buried in a lot of host summarising, affirmation, and filler. The ideas are useful but spread thinly over 34 minutes.

“a lot of times people don't have a lead problem. They have a lead management problem.”

“we build up a war chest of all of our contacts for the shoulder season january february march that's when we do these text blasts we don't need them in the summer we don't need them when we're busy”

Originality

12.0 / 20

Most advice is standard digital-marketing doctrine (track ROAS by channel, nurture unconverted leads, own your email list) adapted for a home-services audience. The Dean Jackson nine-word email reference, cross-sell newsletters, and video-in-nurture are well-circulated ideas; the shoulder-season text-blast framing is the freshest angle.

“most companies, they're praying to the Google gods for search ads, SEO, traditional digital marketing things”

“Well, they're not doing it because they've been bought by PE and now they don't care about home service, local service business, being a local guy”

Guest Caliber

15.0 / 20

Phil Risher is a genuine practitioner - former director of business development at a $3M home-services company turned niche marketing consultant - giving him real, relevant credibility. However, his scale is modest and he is not a well-known operator who has built or scaled a large business himself.

“I was home. I was a director of business development at a $3 million home service business.”

“we work with home service businesses typically 1 to 10 million revenue is our sweet spot”

Specificity & Evidence

17.0 / 20

The episode has several concrete data points - a real client example with exact spend and revenue figures across two Google channels, a $20,000 closed deal from one email, and open-rate benchmarks - which lift the score meaningfully. Some claims (e.g. '95% text open rates') are stated without sourcing.

“on the Google local service ads, he spent $4,000 and he generated $60,000 in actual closed deals. So over 10X return on ad spend. He also generated $125,000 in potential quotes.”

“that turned into twenty thousand dollar estimate that then they closed that estimate just from that email”

Conversational Craft

11.0 / 20

The host asks reasonable follow-up questions (profitability vs. acquisition cost, what happens after the pricing guide is sent) but rarely challenges a claim and frequently restates what Phil just said rather than probing deeper. The interview leans heavily promotional toward the guest's YouTube channel and consulting service.

“I like what you said about the difference between these two lead sources from the same vendor, right?”

“I love this idea of just re-engaging people who are prospects”

Standout episodes

  • Opportunities & Pitfalls in Home Services Marketing (with Phil Risher)

    2025-03-17

    70

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Opportunities & Pitfalls in Home Services Marketing (with Phil Risher)

    2025-03-17 · 34 min

    70 / 100

What listeners say on Apple Podcasts

★★★★★
Great experience as a guest on Dave’s show
Had the chance to be a guest on Dave’s podcast recently. I really enjoyed it. It was a great combination of a relaxed vibe but also really good conversation. I really like how Dave keeps the conversation practical. Would definitely come back again.

- bradmartineau

★★★★★
Outstanding and Highly Relevant
David is outstanding! The quality of speakers and topics is highly relevant to me and anyone interested in state-of-the-art marketing and advertising. Fabulous!

- James I. Bond

Frequently asked

What is More Perfect Marketing's substance score?
More Perfect Marketing scores 70.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1384 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 78% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #191 of 991 in Marketing. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is More Perfect Marketing worth listening to?
Yes - More Perfect Marketing outscores 78% of the B2B marketing podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a marketing operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts More Perfect Marketing?
More Perfect Marketing is hosted by David Baer.
How often does More Perfect Marketing publish?
More Perfect Marketing publishes weekly, has 256 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2025-03-17.
Which More Perfect Marketing episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Opportunities & Pitfalls in Home Services Marketing (with Phil Risher)" (70/100) - a good place to start.

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