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CISO Tradecraft®

Hosted by G Mark Hardy & Ross Young

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290 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-06-29 · ~42 min/episode

Rank

#1583

Substance

69.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Leadership rank

#157 of 1041

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Across the index

#1583 of 6183

Substance

Top 26%

outscores 74% of the index

Why it scores where it does

CISO Tradecraft® ranks #1583 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 69.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Marcus Sachs has legitimate, senior, operational credentials: one of three people who stood up what became CISA post-9/11, White House cybersecurity policy work, CSO at NERC (the bulk power regulator), and VP/SVP roles at Verizon and CIS. He is a genuine practitioner who has done consequential work at scale, not a circuit-riding thought-leader. The transcript itself, however, does not fully exploit that depth.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

13.0 / 20

The episode surfaces a handful of genuinely useful concepts - harvest-now-decrypt-later, the asymmetric/symmetric distinction in quantum vulnerability, the cryptographic bill of materials - but long stretches are consumed by tangential anecdotes (the 1986 Risk Pack project, Italian postal strike, rack-depth war stories) and basic crypto 101 that adds little for any informed CISO. The ratio of insight-minutes to filler-minutes is poor.

“if I'm doing that, then what I have is an ability to capture a whole bunch of communications, store them up, and then at a future date, play them all back to my quantum computer”

“it's not replacing every encryption algorithm. For those who say we need to become post quantum ready, that's not RIP and replace everything. There's only a handful of things that need to be replaced”

Originality

12.0 / 20

The episode stays largely inside the standard post-quantum narrative (go to NIST, inventory your crypto, cryptographic agility), and the Y2K analogy is well-worn in this context. A few moments - the ransomware-without-encryption pivot and the Merkle-Hellman knapsack as a historical cautionary tale of an entire algorithm class collapsing overnight - are moderately fresh but not genuinely contrarian.

“PQC was real popular before AI came along a couple of years ago. That was like the big buzzword.”

“in 84 AD Shamir, he's the uh, SNRS came up with an attack that basically it didn't back really out of them. It was a general solution. What meant that everybody who'd built a product, everybody who'd implemented the product, everybody had used it, suddenly realized that... there you are with no cryptographic protection”

Guest Caliber

18.0 / 20

Marcus Sachs has legitimate, senior, operational credentials: one of three people who stood up what became CISA post-9/11, White House cybersecurity policy work, CSO at NERC (the bulk power regulator), and VP/SVP roles at Verizon and CIS. He is a genuine practitioner who has done consequential work at scale, not a circuit-riding thought-leader. The transcript itself, however, does not fully exploit that depth.

“Back in the summer of 03 it was three of us that were uh, kind of ones to make startup if you will.”

“I was the uh, CS at nerc, that's the regulator for the bulk power system”

Specificity & Evidence

14.0 / 20

The episode scores above average on algorithm-level specificity - naming FIPS 203/204/205, ML-KEM, CRYSTALS-Dilithium, Shor's algorithm relevance to RSA and Diffie-Hellman - but is nearly devoid of hard numbers on timelines, qubit thresholds, organisational cost, or breach impact. Practical recommendations stay at the level of 'do a crypto inventory' without named tools, vendors, or case studies.

“the NIST has a federal information processing standard or FIPS 203, 204 and 205”

“The first one uses a module, um, Lattice Key Encapsulation Mechanism. They call it MLChem”

Conversational Craft

12.0 / 20

The host has genuine domain knowledge - he can name Merkle-Hellman, Clifford Cocks, and FIPS standards - which lifts the conversation above a pure PR chat, but the questions are predominantly open and leading ('what else do we might want to think about?'), and there is no substantive pushback or productive disagreement at any point. The host frequently answers his own questions or hijacks the floor for extended personal anecdotes.

“Many CISOs hear the word quantum and they figure, yeah, that's a problem for 2035. Is, is that dangerous way of thinking?”

“How should CISOs go about evaluating vendor claims?”

Standout episodes

  • Harvest Now, Decrypt Later (with Marcus Sachs) - #290

    2026-06-29

    69

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Harvest Now, Decrypt Later (with Marcus Sachs) - #290

    2026-06-29 · 42 min

    69 / 100

Frequently asked

What is CISO Tradecraft®'s substance score?
CISO Tradecraft® scores 69.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1583 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 74% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #157 of 1041 in Leadership. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is CISO Tradecraft® worth listening to?
Yes - CISO Tradecraft® outscores 74% of the B2B leadership podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a leadership operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts CISO Tradecraft®?
CISO Tradecraft® is hosted by G Mark Hardy & Ross Young.
How often does CISO Tradecraft® publish?
CISO Tradecraft® publishes weekly, has 290 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-06-29.
Which CISO Tradecraft® episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Harvest Now, Decrypt Later (with Marcus Sachs) - #290" (69/100) - a good place to start.

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Guests who've appeared

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Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Post-quantum cryptographyRSA encryptionNIST FIPS 203-204-205 standardsMLKem (Module-Lattice Key-Encapsulation Mechanism)Dilithium digital signaturesElliptic Curve cryptographyAES (Advanced Encryption Standard)TLS/SSL encryptionDiffie-Hellman Key ExchangeHarvest Now Decrypt Later attacks

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