
Capitalism.com with Ryan Daniel Moran · 2026-06-17 · 24 min
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This episode deconstructs Grüns' rapid $1.2 billion exit through a repeatable playbook that founder Chad Janus engineered using experience from boards of other D2C brands and an MBA from Stanford. The product strategy centered on merging two distinct billion-dollar trends - supplement gummies (following Olly's acquisition by Unilever) and greens powders (AG1's $1 billion valuation) - into a single offering. On pricing, Grüns positioned itself at a 4x premium to competitors like Olly, offered aggressive incentives for auto-ship subscriptions at $40 initially but $59.99 recurring, and used 28-day supply cycles to generate 13 annual orders instead of 12, creating lifetime customer value approaching $750 annually (nearly 20x the front-end price). The marketing layer relied entirely on proof: clinical trial results showing mineral increases, observational studies of customer benefits, problem-focused statistics ("90% of US adults don't meet recommended daily nutrient intake"), and social proof via reviews and videos. Moran explains how this model enables higher advertising spend than competitors and positions any brand for seven to nine-figure exits by optimizing customer acquisition cost against lifetime value.
By positioning a greens gummies product at the intersection of two billion-dollar trends (supplement gummies like Olly and greens powders like AG1), implementing premium pricing with recurring revenue optimization (28-day cycles generating 13 orders annually), and using proof-heavy marketing that drove high conversion rates, enabling aggressive customer acquisition spending.
Grüns offered a $40 initial purchase to incentivize signup but the recurring price was $59.99 per month, creating a 28-day (not 30-day) supply to generate 13 orders per year instead of 12, resulting in annual customer lifetime value approaching $750 - nearly 20x the front-end price.
Premium pricing provides more margin to spend on advertising and influencer partnerships that competitors cannot afford; combined with subscription recurring revenue, it allows Grüns to acquire customers at a loss knowing they'll recover over the customer lifetime.
Grüns used clinical trial results (vitamin C and folate level increases), observational customer feedback studies, problem-focused statistics (90% of adults don't meet nutrient intake), customer reviews and testimonial videos, and comparative product claims - proof that directly addressed the problem their product solved.
Structure your standard supply interval to be slightly shorter than the obvious monthly cycle (e.g., 28 days instead of 30) so you generate one additional order per year per customer; this compounds lifetime value significantly while appearing to offer the same product.
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There are a handful of genuinely tactical observations buried in the episode - the 28-day supply trick generating a 13th annual order, the LTV math showing a $40 customer becoming worth ~$750, and the 'proof about the problem' stat framing - but roughly half the runtime is self-promotional filler, repetition, and generic encouragement that adds zero operator value.
28 days is four weeks. Sounds like a one-month supply, but it's not. At a 28-day supply, we get one extra rebill throughout the year. So instead of 12 orders a year, it's 13 orders per year.
This image right here says 90% of US adults don't meet the recommended daily nutrient intake... they are using proof that's not about the product, but proof about the problem in order to position their product as the solution.
The core frameworks - sit between two trends, premium pricing unlocks ad budget, subscription LTV, social proof converts - are well-worn D2C/e-commerce orthodoxy repackaged around a newsworthy case study. There is no contrarian or first-principles argument; the 28-day supply observation is the only genuinely specific, non-obvious tactical point.
I like to take as a rule of thumb the average or median price in my industry and times it by two.
There's really only two ways that you can drive up your lifetime customer value. It is sell more in the form of upsells, or it is get people on auto ship so that you have predictable revenue.
This is a solo monologue from the host, who is a content-creator/course-seller with self-reported exits but no insider knowledge of Grüns; all analysis is external, surface-level observation of a public website. There is no guest, no practitioner with direct experience building or selling Grüns, and no depth beyond what any attentive observer could note.
I've never had a billion-dollar exit. I've had one nine-figure exit as an investor.
We're going to break down the three patterns that allowed Grooms to become a billion-dollar exit in about two and a half years.
The episode does include real, named figures - $1.8M seed at a $10-15M valuation, $1.2B exit, 13 annual orders at $59.99, $40 front-end vs. ~$750 annual LTV, 49% discount banner - most drawn from publicly observable sources. The numbers are genuine and useful, though they are all external/secondary observations rather than insider data or primary research.
the recurring price is actually $59.99. So the price very sneakily goes from a $40 one-time purchase to $59.99 per month.
13 additional orders at $59.99, which means that that one $40 customer is worth over $750 over the course of a year.
This is a solo scripted monologue with no interview, no guest, no questions, and no opportunity for pushback or follow-up; there is no conversational craft to evaluate. The structure is clear but the episode functions as a promotional YouTube explainer with at least three hard pitches for a paid bootcamp embedded in 24 minutes.
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Grüns Greens Gummies sold for $1.2 billion in just 32 months. In this episode, we break down the three patterns: product, price, and proof, that turned a $1.8M seed raise into a billion-dollar exit, and how you can manufacture the same playbook into a seven or eight-figure business. Get on the waiting list at Timestamps (0:00) Grüns sold for $1.2 billion after 32 months - the manufactured playbook (1:00) The three patterns: product, price, and proof (2:00) Funding history - $1.8M raised, sold for $1B (4:00) Pattern 1: Product - sitting between two billion-dollar trends (5:00) AG1's origin story and validating your product idea (8:00) Pattern 2: Pricing - positioning Grüns as a premium brand (9:00) The subscription play - $40 first order vs. $59.99 recurring price (11:00) Customer lifetime value - a $40 customer becomes a $750+ customer (13:00) The "49% off" banner - technically true, brilliantly deployed (16:00) Pattern 3: Proof - the most overlooked conversion lever (19:00) "Proof about the problem" - the Amazon listing breakdown (21:00) Combining recurring revenue + proof for a 10-figure exit (23:00) Closing - get on the bootcamp waitlist
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Grooms, Greens, Gummies. You might have seen this. They recently sold for $1.2 billion.
$1.2 billion, congratulations. And this company was just 32 months old. That's about two and a half years.
And the founder of this company, he was just 33 years old. Imagine being 33 and having a billion dollar exit. Well what you're going to see is that this was not an accident. In fact, this was manufactured.
So today what we're going to do is we're going to break down the three patterns that allowed Grooms to become a billion-dollar exit in about two and a half years. Those three patterns are product, price, and proof. And once you see these three patterns, you're going to see how you can implement them into your business to get more customers, to make more profit, and to build a more valuable business regardless of what it is that you are selling. The playbook that Grooms followed is visible.
Once you see how this is manufactured, you'll realize that building a seven-figure business is not only possible, but it just comes down to basic math. Now, if you're new here, my name's Ryan Daniel Moran, and I invest in e-commerce brands. I've had a few exits as a founder myself. I've had a few exits as an investor, and I help entrepreneurs build seven- and eight-figure businesses and prepare them for exit.
Now, I've never had a billion-dollar exit. I've had one nine-figure exit as an investor. So Grooms is one level bigger than I've ever gone. But check out these numbers.
In 2023, Grooms raised $1.8 million, and that was their seed capital to get it off the ground. The numbers were not disclosed about what their valuation was, but it's reported to be between $10 and $15 million. So the early investors in Grooms invested at a $10 million valuation and they exited at a billion dollar valuation.
That's a 100x return on their money in two and a half years. That's 10 times the return that they would have gotten if they had put all their money in NVIDIA during the same time period. There is no other place in the world where you can get those kinds of returns, except by building and investing in cool brands that are profitable and growing and preparing for exit. It's not in crypto.
It's not in AI stocks. The best return in the world is coming from starting and investing in great brands. Now, check this out. You may not have a billion-dollar exit one day.
I've never had a billion-dollar exit. But you can absolutely start a brand for $10,000 or less. And you can absolutely build a brand over three, four, five years that has a $10 million exit. If you were to do those two things, that would be a thousand X return on your starting capital.
And that's why the founder of Groons, Chad Janus, was able to reverse engineer this process. He sat on the board of Chubbies and Dr. Squatch and a bunch of other D2C brands, and he had an MBA from Stanford. He was not guessing.
He went into this with a playbook in mind of taking this seed capital, building a great brand, and having a billion-dollar exit. So what we're going to do is break apart the strategy so that you can take the most important pieces and implement them into your business. So the first pattern that I want you to see, and this is the most important thing that we'll talk about today, is in product. And what Grooms did is they sat in between two billion dollar trends.
The first was in supplement gummies. You might be familiar with the company Ali. Ali is a gummies company. They're the first supplement brand that was all gummies.
Well, they were acquired by Unilever, the same people who bought Grooms, by the way. They were acquired in 2019, and today they are a billion-dollar company. So that's the first billion-dollar trend, supplement gummies. The second trend is in greens, specifically greens supplements.
In 2022, it was announced that Athletic Greens, now known as AG1, was valued at $1 billion. So you have $2 billion trends in supplement gummies and greens supplements. but no one had taken the two trends and sat in the middle of them. Enter Chad Janus, the founder of Grooms.
So what he does is he says, you've got these $2 billion trends. I'm going to sit right in the middle and create Greens gummies. And I'm going to spend a year creating a product that I'm super proud of because I know when I get it right, I'm going to have this momentum from these multi-billion dollar trends. One of the ways that you can validate your product idea to know if it's going to be a seven or eight figure idea is are there other businesses that are being valued or acquired for tens of millions of dollars?
If so, then there's someone out there who is paying a premium for a company that is right in the middle of a trend. So if you can validate your product idea with trends or by other acquisitions, that's a really good sign that you are sitting on something special. Now here's a fun little factoid for you. The founder of Athletic Greens, now known as AG1, was Chris Ashenden, and he was homies with Tim Ferriss.
And this entire billion dollar company was started as a side project where Chris said, I'm going to start a greens powder and I'm going to advertise it to my buddy Tim's audience and we're going to see what happens. They actually hired me for a little bit for some consulting on their Amazon presence. That's a story for another day. But what Chris did was just partnered with one good audience with one good idea And a few years later they were valued at a billion dollars That is crazy And the investors behind AG1 are also the minority owners of the Cleveland Guardians.
And if you're new here, my name's Ryan, and my dream is to own the Cleveland Guardians. So there are people who think that this e-commerce game is too small, like it's not that big of a market. But if you start a business with one good idea, With one good product and you partner with an audience that really wants that product and you play your hand well, there is potentially billions of dollars at stake. Now, most of us are never going to do that, but it is absolutely possible to be able to manufacture a multi-million dollar exit, maybe even a nine-figure exit.
And the first indicator that you're sitting on that is, are there other brands or businesses that are having that type of success in the sector? And a real magic winner is if I can take two different trends and merge them together. That's exactly what Grooms did, and that's why they built a billion-dollar product. Now, the second thing that Grooms did well was in their pricing strategy.
They went in with a plan. They reverse engineered a billion-dollar exit. This pricing strategy was created from sitting on the board of multiple billion-dollar exits and from an MBA from Stanford. They knew what they were doing.
They knew what their plan of attack was. So if you're one of the many entrepreneurs who gets all in their head about, is my price too high? Is my price too low? What should my structure of pricing be?
This is where you should really lean in. So the first part of this pricing strategy is that Grooms position themselves as a premium brand. Now, if we look at most of the gummies supplements in the market, like Ali, which is one of their biggest competitors, you can get Ali's greens gummies for $15 to $20. Now, Grooms, on the other hand, came to market at four times that.
So their margins were much closer to those of a premium brand like Athletic Greens, which tends to sell one month supply for about $80 to $90. Now, a lot of people in e-commerce will tell you that if you want to increase your sales, you need to drop your price so that you get more market share. I say the opposite. If you want to increase your sales, increase your price.
And Groon's is a very good example of that. Why increase your price if you want to increase sales? Because it gives you more margin to work with to run advertising and do aggressive discounts in order to acquire new customers. But the real magic happens after the first purchase.
Let's take a look at what they did. Notice on Broon's website that if you subscribe, meaning you sign up for auto ship to get it sent to you every four weeks, your price is going to be $40. That is a significant discount than if you were to go buy it on Amazon or if you were to just buy it one time. So there's an incentive to sign up for auto ship.
But here's where it gets a little bit sneaky. If we go to checkout and buy Grooms on AutoShip, you'll see that the recurring price is actually $59.99. So the price very sneakily goes from a $40 one-time purchase to $59.
99 per month. Now, that's a little bit more aggressive than I would recommend being, but they were okay with it. Giving a very strong incentive to buy one time. Now, if you sell products on Amazon.
com, they also give you the option to be able to do this, where you can give an extra incentive when someone buys for the first time, but they do it on subscribe and save. It is a very good business model to incentivize people to sign up for automatic shipping. Now, there's one more thing that they do here. If we look at the packaging of broons, we'll see that it's a 28-day supply.
That is not an accident. 28 days is four weeks. Sounds like a one-month supply, but it's not. At a 28-day supply, we get one extra rebill throughout the year.
So instead of 12 orders a year, it's 13 orders per year. So if someone buys a $40 product and they buy it on auto ship and they stay for a full year, then that customer is not just worth $40 today. They're worth 13 additional orders at $59.99, which means that that one $40 customer is worth over $750 over the course of a year.
Grooms is not banking on a $40 customer. They are banking on a small percentage of those customers becoming repeat customers and being worth $750 a year. The benchmark that I like to use with clients is 10 times the front end price. So if you have a $50 product, you want to ultimately make about $500 per customer over the course of the first year.
Groom's blew past that. In Groom's case, if someone stays with them for a year, it's almost 20 times the front end value. A $40 customer becomes almost an customer Those economics are fantastic So what does this allow them to do It allows them to spend more money on meta ads It allows them to sponsor really good influencers It allows them to buy ad space on prominent podcasts This is the type of advertising that most of the competitors can't do. And they can't do it because they don't have the back end margin to be able to afford it.
So what Grunt has done is position themselves as a premium brand and have incentives to get that first time customer on auto ship and they let the rest of the model take care of itself. Now there's one more thing that they do that gives them that extra bump to get as many customers as possible. On their checkout page they have a banner that says it's 49% off. That is technically true.
It's also very good marketing. Now, this 49% off that they advertise is if you buy the maximum amount of units on auto ship, you are saving 49% compared to if you were to just buy one. Again, technically true, but it's creative marketing. What they do, however, is they use this save 49% in a lot of their marketing.
They will do Black Friday sales. They will do Memorial Day sales. They will do an It's Raining Outside sale. They will do all kinds of sales that are 49% off.
So the offer that is on their website is the offer that they run over and over and over again. So there's not really discounts on Memorial Day or Black Friday or Cyber Monday. It's just the same offer over and over and over again. Now, I would do things a little bit differently, but I've never built a billion-dollar business.
What we're doing here is just analyzing what worked for Grooms, and it was having one incentivized offer to get people to buy for the first time. And they used every strategy possible to get people to buy that offer. And the backend monetization took care of the lifetime value. And if you know what you can spend to get a customer compared to how much that customer is worth over a year to two years, then you know exactly how much you can spend to win against every other competitor that is trying to compete with you.
So here's what you can do with this information. Don't try to answer the question, what does my price need to be? Instead, you answer these questions. At what price am I positioned as a premium brand?
I like to take as a rule of thumb the average or median price in my industry and times it by two. That's a good starting point. Number two, what is my backend monetization strategy? There's really only two ways that you can drive up your lifetime customer value.
It is sell more in the form of upsells, or it is get people on auto ship so that you have predictable revenue. And number three, what is my customer acquisition cost versus my lifetime value? If I know that metric, then I know what I can spend in order to win against all of the competitors. You answer those three questions and you're positioned to at least build a seven-figure business.
Now, if you're liking this stuff and you want to implement some of these strategies into your business, then I invite you to get on the waiting list for our next live bootcamp. This is where we work with entrepreneurs to implement these types of strategies into their businesses so that they get results quickly within a few hours or a few days. You can get on the waiting list for our next bootcamp over at capitalism.com slash bootcamp.
The third pattern that Grooms did well is using proof in their marketing. And this is where founders are leaving obvious money on the table. You can borrow this part of the playbook and implement it into your business right now and increase the number of customers that you're getting. If we look at the checkout pages and the sales pages for grooms, most of their marketing is proof.
And there is no better conversion tactic than the use of proof. You don't need fancy copy. You don't need fancy images if you have really good proof. Now, I've got pulled up one of their images, which shows the results of a clinical trial that they ran where they brought people in and measured their mineral levels after taking Grooms for a few weeks.
Now, this is obviously something that is going to take a little bit of an investment, but Grooms was able to do that. And what they have on this image are the results from that clinical study. And it shows an increase in vitamin C levels, an increase in folate levels. Now, take a look at this part of the image right here.
This is their observational study. This is where they go to their customers and they ask them for their feedback about using the product. This is where they ask, is there an improvement in your well-being? Do you experience more energy?
And they report the findings of that study. That's not an official clinical trial. That's just an observational study of them asking their customers and reporting on the percentage of people who said, yep, having a good experience with the product. This is something that any brand can do.
Are you getting the results that you want? And then you report that data in your marketing. It's very, very effective marketing. And most of Groom's marketing sounds kind of like that.
So if we look at their sales page, we will see that most of their marketing is social proof It is reviews of the product It is stats about the product It is seeing how many people use the product. It's videos of people who love the product. It's comparing our product to other people. It is very proof heavy.
When you go in this direction, you don't need fancy copy. You don't need a big branding agency. proof sells a product better than any fancy copy can. Now, they also use this strategy on their Amazon storefront.
So for those of you who sell on Amazon, this is an easy way to stand out from all of your competitors. What proof do you have that other brands don't? So what Grooms does is they take some of the same type of proof that they're using on their sales pages, and they're working it into their Amazon listing. So the image that I've pulled up right here is, this is beautiful.
This is what we call proof about the problem. This image right here says 90% of US adults don't meet the recommended daily nutrient intake. Okay. Notice that it doesn't say anything about the product.
It doesn't say how great it is. It doesn't say how cheap it is. It doesn't say what happens when you consume the product. It just frames the problem as a stat.
Therefore, they are using proof that's not about the product, but proof about the problem in order to position their product as the solution. This is beautifully done. Wonderful marketing. Please steal this in your Amazon listings and on your sales pages.
If you find stats about the problem, people associate your product as the solution to that problem. So in this case, they say 90% of U.S. adults don't meet the recommended daily nutrient intake.
And also 61% of Americans experience weekly digestive issues like bloating, abdominal pain. And get this, Groon's has lots of fiber. So do you see how they are subtly bringing in the problem and stats about the problem? And as a result, you associate the product as the solution to the problem.
The rest of this Amazon listing is very proof heavy. Lots of reviews, lots of videos from people who are happy customers, lots of stats. This is excellent marketing. So the takeaway here is if you can find facts about your product, stats about the customers who are using your product, facts about the problem that your product solves, these are all forms of proof that will dramatically increase your conversion rate.
As your conversion rate increases, you're able to spend more money on advertising. If you can spend more money on advertising, then nobody else can compete with you. So when you combine the recurring revenue model that Grooms did so well with their subscription model, and you have a high conversion rate with proof, you've got the beginning foundation of a nine, or in this case, even a 10-figure exit. Now, I can't sit here and promise you that you're gonna have a billion-dollar exit.
I've never had a billion-dollar exit, but I can tell you that there are hundreds and hundreds of people that have built million-dollar businesses following a very predictable playbook. If you would like to see our playbook for how we build million-dollar businesses in about 12 months or less, you can download our best free resources over at capitalism.com slash 100K. Just drop your best email in there and we'll send you our playbook, some of our free tools, and our free course for coming up with your idea, getting it launched, and growing to your first million.
That's over at capitalism.com slash 100k. All right, so there you have it. There's three patterns here.
There's the product, there's the pricing strategy, and there's proof in marketing. Those three things are what manufactured Grooms into a billion-dollar company. Now, yes, Grooms raised some capital. They had a great founding team.
They built a great team of very smart people, but they manufactured product in a way that they knew it was going to be a winner. They crafted their pricing strategy so that there would be predictable recurring revenue, and they knew how much they could spend to acquire customers and how long they were going to stay. And to raise that conversion rate as high as possible, they used proof in their marketing. These are all elements that you can use in your business in order to manufacture at least a seven-figure business.
Now, if you want to build your version of Grooms, if you want to have a high-margin, consumable business that follows this type of a strategy in order to manufacture a seven or even an eight-figure business, I would invite you to get on the waiting list for our next bootcamp over at capitalism.com slash bootcamp. This is where we work live with entrepreneurs who are in the hustle mode at the beginning stages of building their multi-million dollar empire. You can work closely with us on building the foundation of your seven or eight figure business over at capitalism.
com slash bootcamp. Just enter your email address and be on the waiting list for the next time we have a live bootcamp. My name is Ryan Daniel Moran. I help entrepreneurs build their seven and eight figure businesses and prepare for a multi-million dollar exit.
Grooms is an example of what is possible when you do this the right way. But even if you get it half right or a 10th right or 100th right, you are still in striking distance of a multi-million dollar life-changing exit. And when you know that, when you realize that, then it gives you permission to go all in on what it is that you're building. Thanks so much for watching.
I'll see you guys on the next episode. Take care.
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