
Hosted by Jan and Michelle Terkelsen
The People Leaders Podcast is a resource for managers and business leaders creating high performing teams. Join leadership and team development experts Jan and Michelle Terkelsen each week and explore both subjects from every angle.Through practical tips, valuable insights, and compelling interviews with leadership…
163 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2025-03-17 · ~24 min/episode
Rank
#1199
Substance
71.0
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-07
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#1199 of 6182
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Top 19%
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The People Leaders Podcast ranks #1199 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 71.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Richard Triggs is a legitimate practitioner - active founder/CEO of an executive search firm who has placed thousands of executives and written two practitioner-focused books - giving him credible authority on the topic; however, he is a service provider and consultant rather than an operator who has built and scaled an organization himself, limiting the ceiling on this dimension.
Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.
The episode contains a handful of genuinely actionable tactics - the 'what would you need to achieve in 12 months for you to be delighted' interview question and the 3-per-day outreach methodology are concrete and non-obvious - but large portions of the runtime are consumed by rapport-building, self-reflection platitudes, and meandering anecdote, diluting the useful-ideas-per-minute ratio significantly.
“the question to ask is, so what I'd like to understand is if we were sitting down in 12 months and you were doing my performance review, what would I have needed to achieve for you in 12 months for you to be absolutely delighted with my performance?”
“if you just every day and they already. Your diary, in that one hour, you identify three employees of choice, you identify the three key decision makers, you send them three LinkedIn connections, and you send them three emails asking for a 15 minute meeting”
The surgeon analogy and 'pebble in your shoe' framing are effective rhetorical devices, and the 'driven to vs drawn to' distinction has some freshness, but the underlying concepts - hidden job market, proactive networking, asking good interview questions - are well-worn in career coaching circles and do not constitute genuinely contrarian or first-principles thinking.
“I go and see a surgeon, and I walk in and the Surgeon says, oh, Mr. M. Triggs, great to see you. I'm so glad you came. I'm the best knee surgeon in town. Yeah, but, doctor, I don't have a sore knee. I've got a sore elbow”
“rather than being driven by, what am I drawn to?”
Richard Triggs is a legitimate practitioner - active founder/CEO of an executive search firm who has placed thousands of executives and written two practitioner-focused books - giving him credible authority on the topic; however, he is a service provider and consultant rather than an operator who has built and scaled an organization himself, limiting the ceiling on this dimension.
“I'm in a career now that I enjoy and I'm, um, drawn to”
“I've coached thousands of people through this. Again, I don't coach people for money, just through talking to people and running workshops”
The episode delivers a creditable number of concrete figures - $60,000 recruiter fees, $80,000 executive MBA, 20,000 books distributed, 29,000 LinkedIn connections, a CFO salary example at $400k vs $450k, and the 12-week/15-meetings-per-week guarantee - but the headline '80% hidden job market' statistic is asserted without sourcing, and illustrative examples use fictional stand-ins rather than named real companies or verifiable case studies.
“an executive MBA at QUT now probably costs well in excess of $80,000”
“Nobody jumps out of bed going, woohoo, I just spent $60,000 recruiting a CFO”
The host functions primarily as a cheerleader and validator throughout, offering frequent affirmations ('Right on, Richard,' 'Love it,' 'That is gold') and no substantive pushback; the pre-established personal relationship visibly constrains any challenge, and no contested claims - such as the 80% hidden-job-market figure or the '12 weeks guaranteed' assertion - are interrogated.
“Right on, Richard. Ah, and that's the thing about what you said is you really got to do some self reflection”
“Love it. What? And I'm just thinking, you know, for the people who are listening now, that is gold”
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