Dr. Phyllis Russo on Integrative Healing, Sound Therapy, and the Future of Mental Health

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Let's go beyond just the business. Good afternoon. This is Kathryn, your host with the Beyond Business Podcast. And I'm excited because today I'm honored to welcome a truly extraordinary guest to the Beyond Business Podcast, someone who is bridging the worlds of science, spirituality, and deep emotional healing.

Doctor. Phyllis Russo is a functional medicine doctor and mental health coach and shamanic practitioner who helps people heal at the root level, physically, emotionally, and energetically. Her work goes far beyond traditional approaches. She integrates functional medicine, functional medicine principles, trauma, informed coaching and ancient healing practices to guide people back to balance, clarity and wholeness.

What I love about Doctor. Russo is her ability to translate complex health concepts into literally practical, empowering steps while also honoring a social side of our human experience. So she sees clients not as symptoms, but as whole beings. And the results she helps people with create, that she helps create are profound.

So I'm excited to have this conversation with you today, Doctor. Russo. Thank you so much for being here. I'm very excited to be here.

I have a friend of mine on my lap. So if you see a tail every once in a while. Well, let's start with what led you everybody has a journey and there's a reason why you do what you do and how you serve the world. So let's unfold a little bit about why it is that you do what you do and what led you to that.

Really? Know, somebody asked me this question a long time ago and I go, do you want me to start, like, in childhood or what? No. Just just like let a summarization of why you are so passionate about what you do.

Well, we can at least start. I'm old. And so I've been in the healing profession for many, many years. And I truly believe, and I asked that question about childhood because really, think that my direction really came from having a mother that was ill all the time.

And that internal place within me said, I want to heal my mother. From there, it went into all the different ways in which I did it. And it started with chiropractics. It actually started with other things before that.

But chiropractics was the main professional route that I went. And I went that way because I had a time in my life where my son was very ill as an infant. He had febrile seizures. And when we took him to the hospital, they put him on phenobarbital, which was a drug for seizures.

It's a seizure medication. But for that little baby, it just put him out like he couldn't walk straight after he took it, couldn't balance. And of course, even during the seizures that he did have, it was just trying, trying time in my life. And at one point, my pediatrician said or his pediatrician said, you know what, I know this doctor, he's a chiropractor.

I know he's kind of awful. He's not your regular doctor, but he does something called applied kinesiology. And I'd really like you to take Anthony to him. That's my son.

And so at that point, we went to him. We didn't have money right away to kind of do it. We had to wait some time. And once we got him there, he was able to get him off of this drug.

And he's been healthy ever since. And when that happened in my life, I said, you know what? I wanna help other parents. Of course, I wanna help the children who are sick.

But the release of worry and lack of hope was prevalent. And with that, I said, you know what? I think I want to do what Doctor. Anderson does.

And so that's how I got into chiropractic. And I've never stopped. Like each person, each patient that I had, if I could not fix them, I said, okay, is the next technique I need to do to be able to fix that person? I think the question really was the passion.

And I truly believe that the passion actually did come from my mother. It came from that place where I wanted to heal my mother so much. And so then it just sort of broadcast across all of my patients. So that's my best answer.

I love that you use that as an example because I, at 18 years old, I was in a car accident. Was stopped at a red light. I was hit by, from behind by a drunk driver. And the traditional way of doing things didn't work for me because I react very much to medications and things like that at a higher, I don't know if it's just because my metabolism is so fast and I operate at a high energy.

But the reason for even sharing that is what I found was a chiropractor. Dad took me to his chiropractor, and he was willing to take me in the middle of the night because I pretty much had no function of my body. I was just very weak and kind of like wasn't able to even get up. But what I love about chiropractic is it was what led me on the journey of wanting to promote and grow chiropractic offices.

The reason is because it was it was like life changing for me. This chiropractor, six days a week, he would see me because I was in that much pain. Wow. Literally do different types of therapies and was the one who helped me to heal and found the problem that was going on, but it wasn't acknowledged anywhere else.

But then my whole life changed. And so I believed in it so much. I wanted to share it with the world and I wanted others to be healed and not have to, you know, and take charge of their own bodies in their own life. So I love that that's a practice in which you found joy to be able to help heal others.

It's funny, we don't talk a lot about the chiropractics that I do because I do a lot online, right? So you can't necessarily do that online. I still do it locally. With that said, though, we don't talk a lot about chiropractics.

So I've never heard that story before. I didn't know you did that. Yes. So I started seeing a chiropractor when I was 17 years old.

Yep, 17 years old. And my whole life, I like, I highly believe in that. So working in an office, I actually went and started marketing a chiropractic office. I believed in it.

So I was like, okay, I was single mom, needed a job, went ahead and started to I said, Well, I just answered an ad, and they just kind of put me in front of a place out in public, I just started talking to people. They were like, You know what to do. And I'm like, Okay. But then that led me to doing other things, which then I was able to go to another office and get a proposal.

I just gave them a proposal. I said, This is what I can do for you. Because I realized that I could do some things and talk to people and bring business in. So when I did that, the practice grew from a very small I mean, it was one doctor office, another doctor who had worked with me in this other office told him about me.

And then I went in, did a proposal, and we grew that practice literally to a multidisciplinary kind of practice. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. So we grew it to like three chiropractors, five physical therapists, two massage therapists.

We had acupuncture, we had a medical director, we had like large staff, and it was amazing. But that all came from me being healed at 17 and being able to move on with my life because I was in so much pain. Was It's interesting that you tell that story too, because I remember when this conversation is bringing me back. Like the first day of chiropractic school, we were all and it was like a class of 120 students at that time.

We're talking 1990 or '89. I can't remember in the 90s. No, 80s, something like that. Anyway, and everyone was asked like, what brought you here?

And so my story was my son and his illness. But several people had similar stories that they wanted to be a chiropractor because they were 15, 16, 17 years old because they're young at that time. And so I thought, well, isn't that interesting that the same thing that led somebody to chiropractic school led you to what you do. So I think that's kind of a fascinating story.

No, here's the thing. And I love that we're having this conversation because part of the journey and what we do and what makes us passionate about what we do always comes from somewhere. So you have that beginning part of that journey. That was the beginning of me just literally for the rest of my life, I saw healing one's body different than a person because I had had that experience.

And so it's more of that, feel that some people are like, oh, mean, cracking backs. That's not what it is anyway. And so they get a perspective perspective on that and they don't understand how the body functions. And I learned so much and my doctor was so good about explaining things to me.

And even in the practice that I worked with, I asked a lot of questions. I wanted to know, I want to know how it works. So being able to, I would do these dinners and I'd have to explain it to people how the body functions and what the nervous system and how disrupted what that problem is. So tell me a little bit about the joy of that, but then it took you to other aspects.

So there's always pivots in our life. So let's talk a little bit about those things. Well, I think that comes from the other thing I said, which was, well, I learned chiropractics and applied kinesiology when I was in school. So they do have another course in that and you're able to take extra courses.

I wanted to do the applied kinesiology actually even more than the straight chiropractics because that's what healed my son. So that's number one. But here's the thing. When you're in practice, you realize, okay, well, this technique worked on this person and then additional to okay, that worked.

But you know what? Didn't work on that person. And I was always looking and seeking to find because I could not handle any type of failure. And so if I could not help somebody at a certain period of time, in a certain period of time, because it's like somebody had a sign in there, and it was a veterinarian who did acupuncture.

And he had a sign saying, only Jesus heals in one visit. That was good. So I get it that chiropractors have to have more than one visit. And then there's also a certain time where it's like, I'm getting frustrated.

And that's when I started adding in, gosh, I can't even remember, just different chiropractic techniques. But then it was really the nutritional side and it was the functional medicine side. Because if you're even treating somebody and adjusting their spine and you're looking at the nervous system, there still is that digestive system. Is that nutritional force that comes.

So that became the next one. Oh, I'm sorry. Acupuncture. Acupuncture was actually the first one.

And again, it was just a layering of, okay, if it's not helping, we're going to add this, then we're going to add this, and then we're going to add this. The next part, I was about six or seven years into practice and I realized how important the emotional aspect was because doing applied kinesiology and functional medicine, you start to see some chronic pain and chronic illness and people then talking about chronic digestive problems and chronic joint pain and fibromyalgia was big in the '90s.

It was a garbage diagnosis in Western medicine. But for those of us who are more alternative, I used to see a lot of patients with fibromyalgia chronic fatigue. And with that, acupuncture was helping. But even more than all that, I started seeing the emotional side.

Like I wanted to go to that place where, oh my gosh, this person, they just don't get better. And you started seeing that it's a co creation of healing. They've got to believe that they're going to get healed. And you can do all the techniques you want.

So if their belief system is set in their childhood and they had either perceived trauma or real trauma, it doesn't matter. They're going to have blocks. And every time you make them better, it might not hold. And so that's when I said, I wanna become a counselor.

And so I trained with a group. It was called Global Relationship Centers. But I became certified in mental health coaching. And then I incorporated that in my practice.

I would even take car accident people, motor vehicle accidents. And I know that there's that emotional side after you get into a car accident because you're in pain and all the things that happened during that and the shock that happened during that. And you do wanna go through that emotional aspect. I also ask though, what were you what was going on in life before the accident?

Yep. And you should it's amazing the revelations people have because the accident is actually almost a byproduct of what happened in life, what was happening in life. Like is God saying slow down? Of course, God doesn't cause the accident.

But there is that element of slowing down or of stopping something or sometimes people go, okay, life is going good, but you know what? I deserve something bad. I mean, it's crazy what goes on in the unconscious and the subconscious. So I added counseling to it.

And it just kept going on and on and on. And then I closed up my practice, sold the practice back in 2011. Then is reason for closing the practice? Oh, wow.

There was a bunch. Well, I'm going to say the main one was they called it at that time Obamacare. I believe it's federal healthcare or something. I don't even know what it's called because I've never been on it.

But it wouldn't cover my type of practice. I think it covered like the adjustment and maybe a physical therapy thing. But my type of practice, I would spend an hour with a patient. And so it just wasn't covered.

And a lot of people were just choosing their regular Western medicine because it was covered. And at that point you go, okay, well, I can't work with somebody who's not willing to really do the work. And so that was a big portion of me walking away. And I just got tired of the insurance thing.

And so I mean, it was a fight from almost day one just because I had such an alternative and such an encompassing practice. So I was done. And then if you want, I'll tell you the rest of the story when it comes to the shaman part. But yeah, I left St.

Louis and moved to where my son lived, which was in Dallas, Texas. Did a pivot there. Yeah. And even more so, I became his bookkeeper for his business.

So I wasn't even doing anything for a I just walked away. Now mind you, I'm forgetting a step. I've had such a long life. When I first moved to Dallas, I got called to Malta.

And Malta, I didn't even know where it was at the time. It's like, okay, I guess I'm going to practice there, but where is this place? And so he was a student and a friend of mine at Logan College of Chiropractic, they call it Logan University now. And he needed to do work in Barcelona.

So he lived in Malta. He used to live here. He lived in Malta. He had to go to Barcelona and he needed somebody to back up his practice and he was going to be gone for months.

And so I said, well, I just moved to Dallas and I don't have anything to do. So okay, I'll go to the Mediterranean. Oh, well, I'll go to the Mediterranean. And so Malta is a very interesting island with fascinating ancient history.

So their temples are like 10,000 years old. And in many ways, have so many sites that are older than the Pyramids in Egypt. I mean, it's got ancient history. And again, the structures they're not a house or anything like that.

And so I remember walking into it just feeling like I was at home, like that ancient history just was there in my heart and my gut. And from there, I was led or the shaman found me, but I was led to do something bigger and I felt more spiritual and I just heard it from God. And so I searched because I didn't want to travel anymore. I was tired of traveling.

And I searched to find somebody that I could communicate with where I didn't have to travel. And that's how I found my shaman teacher and that was back in 2011, I believe. Yeah. So that was my start of that.

Now, how do you utilize what you learned in that practice that you have taken on and how do you incorporate that with what you are already doing to help people? Let's talk about how you are able to utilize this to help people now. So you're asking about the shaman portion? Yes.

Yeah. So I combine the Shaman portion with my counseling. So there's a couple of different things. The one thing that you learn, it was about a four year one on one training.

Now, a lot of people say, they have a short period of training. It was years of training, which is the traditional, the ancient way to train. In the training, already started incorporating it. I started incorporating it when I was doing AK or doing acupuncture or something like that.

And I never trained with doing plant medicine. I don't do anything from the outside to make my journeys deep because when I go into a shaman journey, it's very deep brain wise. It produces different chemicals in the brain. I have them sitting right here.

I just simply use a drum. And the resonance and the beat of the drum allows me to go very, very deep. So how I help my patients, my clients now is threefold. One is I can be doing a chiropractic session.

And sometimes what I'll do is I'll go, you know what? Let me see if I'm missing anything and I'll start to drum. And when I drum, I can see more of the body. So for instance, yesterday, I had somebody coming over, low back pain, but I was also in some neck pain.

So I was doing some cranials on her neck and her occiput. And I said, oh, I'm seeing something. And I go ahead and I drum. And I said, is there anything going on digestively with you?

And she goes, you know what? There is. It doesn't usually happen, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this, this, and this. And so in even just a regular chiropractic session, I will drum and I see.

It just allows me to get very deep into that shaman journey and to be able to see. And that is a gift. And so that's where I use it there. But I also use it in counseling.

So I will be just like your regular counselor. We're going to be doing talk therapy for a good forty minutes of an hour. And then about twenty to thirty minutes, I will end up drumming. And so the client is in a deep meditation as well.

And so they get what they get from it, whether they see things, whether they hear things, whether they see colors. I, though, get messages for them. And I get to this place of just this deep God space. And always pray before I go into So the shamans will look and they'll thank the earth, the directions of the earth, the spirits that go along, spirit helpers that go with that.

I do that, but I make sure before that that I ask Jesus to come in to protect the space, to be there, to help heal, and to not just help heal, but be the healer. And then I'll go into a more shamanic tradition. From that point, then there's the whole very distinct shaman side and that's the rituals. So soul retrieval, spirit extraction, uncording, these are several of the actual rituals that the shaman does.

How does the drumming like, what is it that you how would you explain the drumming part of this? Because I've heard you say a few times that you'll start drumming. What is the reference in being able to use the drumming for what you're getting from it? Why the drumming?

So all shamans will use like some sort of instrument. And the drum has a very distinct beat. It isn't like you're drumming like you're drumming, like you're playing music. It is a very distinct beat that gets you into that place.

What happens is DMT gets produced, which is a chemical in the brain that allows you to hallucinate. But as a shaman, you just start getting used to that hallucination. Thank you. And when you're in there is where you really see the reality of a different world, a supernatural world.

So the drum allows you to get into that supernatural world. And it does for the client too. Can that be compared? Do you say that they use an instrument?

So it doesn't necessarily have to be a drum. Can it be like sound therapy of any sort, sound bowls, other types of things? Well, the shaman usually uses rattles and drums. And those are really the basic two.

I know that there is a lot of sound therapy there and it will also get people deep into a meditation. I don't know if it produces DMT like the drum and the rattle do. But you train for years to get to that depth of trance. So how do you help people?

Does this help them with their emotional well-being with removing, you know, trapped emotions or things that might be going on under the surface of things? Is that as you're working so let's go back to this question. Give us an example of someone that you've worked with that was able to actually come past some of the things that you've been As you've worked with them, so just give us a win of how that helped them. I love this one.

It's a recent one. I mean, I would say 90%, by the way, are wins in some way, shape, or form. And every once in a while, you'll find somebody that it might not have worked on. But it works far superior to anything I've ever done before.

So I might even say 95%. Anyways, so recently I had a client who I believe when we first got together, she was doing self harm. And she just could not get out of the loop. So when you talk about breaking the cycles, she just could not get out of the loop.

She by the way was a patient of mine twenty years ago when I was in the chiropractic field. And she just felt God pulling her, like literally saying, call up Phyllis. So I go, okay. Anyway, so one of the things we started with was spirit extraction because that's pretty extreme self harm.

A lot of times I start out with soul retrieval because if you're attacking yourself, if you're going through self harm, bet your bottom dollar darkness or Satan or whatever you want to call it is there in the mix. If that is so uncontrollable, then it's spirits that need to be extracted. And so I immediately did spirit extraction and she was a whole new person. So she wanted to continue and we wanted to talk about her past.

We then went into soul retrieval. Now, when you talk about our blocks as adults, 90% of it comes from our childhood. The traumas, the issues that we had, the perceived traumas, that sort of thing. And hers was a pretty abusive background all around, just abusive.

And so what happens in a psychological way is, I always do this one. It's just an easy one. Dad says, I'm going out to get a pack of cigarettes and he to said, bye. I'll see you in ten minutes and never comes back.

Right? And so that's abandonment. And on a psychological term, you get a belief system around that. And then the rest of your life, because we're so empowered by our belief systems that we just rather do that than die.

You know, let's just keep that belief system going. And so that will integrate into your business. Oh, person, I'm talking to my boss and he said something a certain way and oh, I'm abandoned by my boss or that relationship. It comes out in adulthood all the time.

And so for her, what we do in soul retrieval, you come into this world, this perfect, wonderful soul. And what is our soul? It's everything good from God. God is our ocean, right?

The Creator is our ocean And he gives us all this good. But little things start to pull at us. And so parts of the soul are like, oh, I got to get out of here. This doesn't feel like God.

Somebody abandoned or somebody abused. Oh, this doesn't feel like God. And so that love part or that connection part or whatever it might be just sort of takes a side step. And so soul retrieval is a ritual that is actually I see the pieces that have been separated, And then I blow them in.

I physically, even online, I blow them back into the solar plexus of the person. And then their homework is to really just connect with these parts that have gone. And from there, about a week later, I'll go ahead and I integrate from the womb all the way to the age of who they are at that time. And so they feel the wholeness of their soul, which helps so they're not blocked for the next thing and the next thing.

And so I'm taking, again, this gal, for instance, once that soul retrieval happens, so she has this spirit extraction. These spirits are off of her. They're unattached. They're not there anymore.

They're not inside her. They're not on her anymore. And then you do the soul retrieval and you fill the wholeness of the soul. And so these two rituals are the greatest start to reclaiming the wholeness of who you are emotionally.

With that said, who are the ones that have the worst emotional problems are the people who are chronically ill. So you're looking at the physical as well. So you're looking at the people with chronic pain or joint pain or somebody who's had cancer and has had a relapse again, you know, whatever it might be. And so, you know, when you talk about the marketing business, you go, okay, well, what's your niche?

You know? And I'm like, I can look at everybody. I can look at the emotional side. There isn't too many people that I go, I don't think the only thing I ask is my only niche is simply people who are willing to not just want to change but are willing to actually make the change.

And so with that, I think it's and again, even some of my people I'm like, okay, we've done this. We've done the soul retrieval. We've done this. Now it's time.

I want to make sure you're eating well and you're eating good and you're eating clean and you're eating as much organic as possible. So everything becomes integrated together. What would you say are some misconceptions that people have or the type of practice that you do and how you integrate everything? So you're saying, have the chiropractic, you have the shamanic practice, you also do mental health and coaching.

And how do you integrate all of this for people who don't really understand how this would work for them because they have misconceptions, right? Would you It's a hard question to answer because I think what I do is so unique. And I'm not saying that others don't have a unique alternative practice, but even alternative in general is difficult. It's just like you said, you went to the chiropractor when everybody else was going to Western medicine.

And it is hard understand. I mean, I speak in public I'm doing things like this. It's probably the best way to get to people. I think the biggest misconception, and I understand it from a Christian perspective, I'm going to go back to my days when I first learned acupuncture and I was bringing it into my practice.

And I would have people say, Oh, that's not Christian. You know, it's based on Eastern philosophy and so I won't do acupuncture. And I remember talking to a dear friend of mine at the time who was a chiropractor who also did acupuncture before I did. And I said, how do you put that together in your mind as a Christian?

And he said, I'm healing Christians. Why would the Lord just stop me from that? And so I go, okay, I like that. And I became an acupuncturist and I incorporated it in the practice.

And believe me, I've wrestled with this. I can't even tell you how much I've wrestled as a Christian And the church is like, Oh, they say it's evil. And the truth is, I can't even tell you how much I've studied Scripture on this. And so I ended up just hearing his voice saying, Phyllis, it's your gift.

And so I am very careful. I don't do divination, which is part of the practice of a shaman. I don't do it because it's in Scripture that you're not to do it. I mean, I don't prophecy either.

I really stay in the very present moment. And I think I can do that better than maybe a shaman who's not a Christian and one who believes in divination or psychics or looking into the future. I don't think it's any of our business. And that's kind of what divination is.

And so I just don't do it. And so that's kind of what I want to convey because I just have felt that the Christian world needs alternative care. Everybody does. I'm not saying that.

But you're saying the biggest misconception. And the biggest misconception is in the church that there are those that love God, that love Jesus and do this alternative work. I know I'm not the only one because I've met a couple of people that say the same thing. You know, they're strong in their faith, but they do this sort of energy work.

It's a tough one. It's a hard question to answer. So can you just talk a little bit about how you help with unresolved trauma and how does that play in chronic health? So the unresolved trauma is, I would say I address that mostly with those two rituals because the trauma itself carries spirits.

Been listening to Pastor Baker I've been listening to. God doesn't give us these situations, these bad situations, let's say, like an abusive childhood or the trauma that has not been resolved. It happens because there's Satan. It happens because there's evil in the world.

And he's just there to help us get through it and out of it. And so my best ways is soul retrieval, is spirit extraction. Literally, if you ever saw me do spirit extraction, you wouldn't know it's me because that's when I use my animal spirit helpers, my compassionate spirit helpers. And it gets guttural because some of it's like sticky.

So it's like you see these spirits. And so that's what helps unresolved trauma because one, they're there still and then soul retrieval making you whole again. Now the other part is like any talk therapy and that is what's happening today and seeing how the trauma has made what's happening today. And so we're going to go ahead, we're going to talk about it, we're going to see it, we're going to bring it to the light and then we're going to drum.

And then we're going to see if there are messages that God has given you. The feel of that resonance is so much deeper than just talk therapy that it goes into your bones. It goes into your molecules. Everything about you gets it.

I can't even so I'm gonna give you that example with that woman again and how abusive her childhood was. She has a beautiful relationship with her mother like she never thought was possible. And that's my goal for these childhood issues that whichever parent is the one, to be able to see them in their beauty and how God loves them as well. And so, I mean and one other thing, the work is much quicker between a couple of the rituals.

Uncording is a good one too of, getting those bad cords between the people that have difficulties. That's also another ritual that is done. Between those three rituals, there is one more, But between those three and some counseling in conjunction with that depth of resonance that literally goes into every molecule, it's not just mind work. It touches all of you.

And that makes a difference faster than regular talk therapy. So I don't know if I answered your questions. I always go on these tantrums. So let me ask you this.

If someone were to be overwhelmed, and stuck, what would be a first small step that you would suggest for them to take, today? If there was like someone just overwhelmed, stuck, and something that could be just like beginning steps? Well, I would say give me a call. So I'm going through themamashaman.

com. And in my services, I probably should given I'll give you a link afterwards. But I would say just a free chat because I love getting to know somebody and letting them get to know me because I know there's a lot of misconception. And I want them to see that I'm a real person.

I Zoom with them. I like to do that more than just a call. I have a great sense of humor and I always want to make sure that laughter is somewhat a part of our pain and to be able to help us get through. And if they don't like me, they don't like me, but it's a free chat.

And then what I do on that one though is I'll get a little bit of the background. I'll see what's going on in your life today. And if you're willing on the free chat to tell me a little bit about your childhood, then that also helps me direct. You know what?

Maybe we should start with soul retrieval. Maybe we should just start with a session. And if you want me to drum at the end, I will. And if you don't want me to, that's okay too.

We'll just have a regular talk therapy session. But it's our guide to where we want to go next. And I'll answer any question. It says it's a fifteen minute chat.

It's a half hour, it's forty five minutes. It's somewhere in there. So that would be the answer to that question. So where do you think that the future of mental health and functional medicine are headed.

I hope they are. It's funny. I have this one here that just keeps sticking out. I was on another like a short two hour event yesterday.

And every time I go on some speaking events because I do love to speak. If anybody wants me to speak at their organization, I would love to do that too or their company. But anyway, oh, many are on these events that do energy work, emotional coaching, all of that, as opposed to somebody going into a regular certified or it's more than certified. They do it by rote.

And so everybody wants something different and something that speaks to them in a very different way. And people in general are just more open. I mean, I'm not one to go to somebody and say, okay, crystals on me. I know that it's going to get me out of my mental health problems.

You do have to, in any form of healing, you want to be careful. You want to have discernment with who you go to. But do I think it's opening up? I do.

It's a different space than it was twenty years ago for sure. And the space sort of started probably about ten, fifteen years ago and maybe even twenty. But in the last four or five years, it's like everybody is saying, I want a different way because they're not trusting the voices and the big voices, whether it's Western medicine or the people in charge. And so people are just going, I don't trust that anymore.

I'm going to find a different way to heal emotionally, physically. So what message would you want the world to hear about healing, wholeness and human potential? That's out loaded. It is.

I feel like I'm going on Miss USA. What do you want to do? I want global peace. I think the first thing I want to say is stop watching the news.

Yes. And I say that because mental health bad mental health is so prevalent right now. And so one of the things that I've seen over the last forty years is this lie about the drug medication for mental health. That's number one.

For forty years I have seen that. And I have seen what bad nutrition and chemicals and dyes in your food has done to mental health. And so we have this world of chaos or shootings. I want the world to be at peace.

Is it ever going to be at peace? Probably not. But I'd love to see more peace. And in doing it, you've got to look at it differently.

You cannot get legislation. You've got to look at what you're going to do for yourself and your family and how you're going to take care of each and every one of us. And so again, my thing is I love talking about nutrition and getting off of all this garbage that we're eating, changing your hormones, making people more emotional, making them more apt to want to shoot a gun. I mean, that's what I want for our world is for just this chaos to just settle down.

Has chaos always been there? Yes. I'm not asking for nirvana. And I don't think it's reality.

And I think that this juxtaposition of chaos and peace is somewhat always going to be there and probably should be. I don't see a reason to make it a nirvana. It'd be kind of boring. But for each individual, healing yourself is where it starts.

And I love being a part of everybody else's journey. I guess my last thing I do want to say is it is an honor every single time I work with somebody. I never forget that. Never forget it.

I never forget it when I'm in the moment. I never forget it when I get off, the call or or when I see a a patient or a client. I never forget what an honor this is because what a gift that the Lord has given me and I love it. I would love for you because, you know, I think that you've given lots of nuggets and great, you know, just for some food for thought.

If our audience wanted to connect with you, how would they do that? What's the best format to do that? I would do it with that free chat on the mama. I should have given you a link.

It's themamashaman.com. Okay. I would go to the free chat.

There's two things I have, but just go to the free chat. It says fifteen minutes. Just tell them to put about a half hour aside for the conversation at least. And that's the best way to kind I mean, have my phone number.

My business number is (402) 257-0770. And they can always text me on there too. But I'm going to end up having them go to the other one anyway. So just go to services,themamashaman.

com. Go to the services and it's like the second or third one down. Free chat. We'll add the link to the additional notes for sure.

If you wanted to leave our audience with anything, is there one more thing you would like to tell I have no idea why this is the very first thing that came into my mind, but love yourself. And if you can't love yourself, love yourself for others. That's good. And find a way to do it.

That's good. I love that. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Well, Doctor. Russo, thank you for bringing such depth, wisdom, and just truth today. Love our authentic conversation and just being able to unfold just some of your journey, some of the things that you've been able to do to help others. And if our audience is at all interested in just being able to just connect and have a conversation, I would love you.

You know, just love them to do that. I will have all of this in the show notes, so in the additional notes for anybody who would like to reach out to Doctor. Russo. And I just feel honored that you were able to give your time for us today, Doctor.

Russo. Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Much love to you. And so for our audience, we just want to thank you for the time that you've given us today. And again, this is Katherine, your host with the Beyond Business Podcast. And just, you know, reach out, reach out to Doctor.

Russo if this is something that you feel that you could use help with. All right, you have an amazing day.