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Smart Friends

Hosted by Eric Jorgenson

★5.0on Apple Podcasts · 42 recent reviews

Casual conversations with founders, technologists, investors, and artists about building a brighter future, together. Welcome to our digital living room. With science, technology and entrepreneurship we can *continue* to create unfathomable leaps in quality of life.

125 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-06-16 · ~77 min/episode

Rank

#1384

Substance

70.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Startups & Founders rank

#217 of 923

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Across the index

#1384 of 6181

Substance

Top 22%

outscores 78% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Smart Friends ranks #1384 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 70.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Jason Levin is a real practitioner who has built a product, acquired name-brand clients, raised capital, and done the work himself - not a career thought-leader. However, the company is early-stage and small, the host is a disclosed investor which colours the booking, and much of the experience described is scrappy solo hustle rather than proven at-scale execution.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

14.0 / 20

There are a handful of genuinely useful tactical observations - owned meme-page networks as cheap distribution assets, the astroturfing mechanics behind 'organic' launches, and the arbitrage of meme marketing in boring B2B verticals - but these are buried under heavy repetition of the same two or three thesis statements and a lot of discursive rambling. The useful signal per minute is low.

“Record Label bought the Daquan meme page and that. That asset for $85 million because it helped them reach artists cheaper than, you know, buying Pitchfork or Rolling Stone. Right. It gets the same audience and bigger for cheaper.”

“all the YC guys, like, sorry, guys, but like, they're all just fucking shilling to the same agency, spending like 50 grand for a launch video to retweet it. It's all the same agency.”

Originality

13.0 / 20

The owned secondary meme-account playbook and the manufactured-organics exposé have some genuine freshness, but the episode leans heavily on borrowed frameworks - Elon quotes are recycled verbatim at least three times, Dawkins, Naval, Bernays, and Ryan Holiday are all name-dropped rather than synthesised into new thinking. The core thesis ('be entertaining') is not itself novel.

“say you're an HR unicorn and nobody wants to follow your main page because you're an hr. Well, why don't you start up funny HR meme accounts and satire accounts about the workplace, and why don't you own those pages?”

“this is another Elon quote, right? Of like, the most entertaining outcome is the most likely”

Guest Caliber

16.0 / 20

Jason Levin is a real practitioner who has built a product, acquired name-brand clients, raised capital, and done the work himself - not a career thought-leader. However, the company is early-stage and small, the host is a disclosed investor which colours the booking, and much of the experience described is scrappy solo hustle rather than proven at-scale execution.

“I worked with Andrew Cuomo. I got invited to Gracie Mansion to meet Eric Adams”

“Post Malone's record label is like a customer”

Specificity & Evidence

16.0 / 20

The episode contains a solid number of concrete figures and named examples - dollar amounts for the Daquan acquisition, sticker revenue in high school, protest cost estimates, named client categories and specific owned accounts - though key enterprise client names are withheld and several big claims (e.g. 'billions spent on memetic warfare') go unsupported.

“Record Label bought the Daquan meme page and that. That asset for $85 million”

“Did you know it's only like 10 grand to host a protest? It's actually not that expensive.”

Conversational Craft

11.0 / 20

The host is a disclosed investor in the guest's company, which produces a promotional dynamic throughout; there is essentially no challenge or pushback on any claim. Questions are sometimes directional and useful, but the host frequently pivots to agreeable editorialising rather than probing, and several long tangents (the dinner rant, the protest plan) go completely unchecked.

“For full disclosure, I'm just want to be clear that I'm a small investor in Memelord”

“I think this company is a really interesting one because it's like all great companies are an outgrowth of a unique person”

Standout episodes

  • #105 ​Inside the Underground Meme Marketing World: Jason Levin of Memelord

    2026-06-16

    70

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • #105 ​Inside the Underground Meme Marketing World: Jason Levin of Memelord

    2026-06-16 · 1h 14m

    70 / 100

What listeners say on Apple Podcasts

★★★★★
Abundant futures without the hot air
New listener, 6 episodes in. Digging the dialogues around how we can build businesses that can prepare to way for an abundant future. While so many investment podcasts spin into the abstract of computing and finance. Smart Friends stays rooted in the physical world, connecting the dots between today and the Second Industrial Revolution.

- Ryan A Pickering

★★★★★
This Show is Amazing
Eric is a fantastic interviewer who lets guests continue on. The show wanders through tech, life, crypto, and hard things to build. Each episode is a must listen.

- Sky1248583

Frequently asked

What is Smart Friends's substance score?
Smart Friends scores 70.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1384 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 78% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #217 of 923 in Startups & Founders. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Smart Friends worth listening to?
Yes - Smart Friends outscores 78% of the B2B startups & founders podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a startups & founders operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Smart Friends?
Smart Friends is hosted by Eric Jorgenson.
How often does Smart Friends publish?
Smart Friends publishes fortnightly, has 125 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-06-16.
Which Smart Friends episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "#105 ​Inside the Underground Meme Marketing World: Jason Levin of Memelord" (70/100) - a good place to start.

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Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Elon MuskMemelordmidwit curve memememetic warfareAI agents for meme generationNotion versus Notes appB2B SaaS meme marketingmeme trend detectionWorld War II propagandaChatGPT and Claude

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