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Behind the Stays

Hosted by Zach Busekrus

Listed under Business › Entrepreneurship, Business › Investing, Business › Marketing

★4.9on Apple Podcasts · 50 recent reviews

Welcome to Behind the Stays - a podcast that shares the stories behind your favorite boutique hotels, short-term rentals, and hospitality brands and the hosts, operators, and entrepreneurs who’ve brought them to life.

376 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-08-18 · ~58 min/episode

Rank

#113

Substance

80.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-08
Updated monthly

Startups & Founders rank

#15 of 151

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Across the index

#113 of 1878

Substance

Top 6%

outscores 94% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Behind the Stays ranks #113 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 80.0 out of 100, scored across 2 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and originality. Ashley Ching brings credible operator experience (decade at Tiffany managing global standards, Home Depot Company Store) and currently leads InHaven while advising on research with Steve Joyce (former Choice Hotels CEO). She's not a pure consultant or theorist but someone translating real operational complexity. However, she's not a billion-dollar vacation rental operator herself, which slightly limits her direct credibility on execution at scale.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 2 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

16.0 / 20

The episode delivers several substantive insights about vacation rental industry structure, particularly the concept of service standards vs. quality standards and the care coverage ratio as a differentiator. However, significant portions consist of explanation of a single framework repeated across the conversation, sponsor reads, and recap moments that dilute the density of new ideas per minute.

“every hospitality industry whether you're in hotels restaurants airlines car rentals have a um language of trust right they have uh quality tiers and that is completely lacking from the vacation rental industry”

“the number one distinguishing factor um between the quality tiers is service levels so it's really the people to property ratio that you're looking at”

Originality

16.5 / 20

The guest applies existing frameworks from adjacent industries (hotels, airlines, restaurants) to vacation rentals systematically, which is useful but not novel conceptually. The specific articulation of service tiers mapped to care ratios (1:5, 1:10, 1:15, 1:20) and the distinction between coordination mechanisms vs. quality controls shows some original synthesis, though the core insight - that vacation rentals lack standardization - is not new.

“standards are not quality controls they're coordination mechanisms”

“our signature or you know top tier homes operate at more of like a one service staff member to every five properties our premium are operating more of one to ten our lifestyle are one to fifteen”

Guest Caliber

18.0 / 20

Ashley Ching brings credible operator experience (decade at Tiffany managing global standards, Home Depot Company Store) and currently leads InHaven while advising on research with Steve Joyce (former Choice Hotels CEO). She's not a pure consultant or theorist but someone translating real operational complexity. However, she's not a billion-dollar vacation rental operator herself, which slightly limits her direct credibility on execution at scale.

“i like global merchandising operations where i set the global standards while making them locally relevant so i moved over to asia”

“we've got a uh great gentleman by the name of steve joyce who's the former ceo of choice hotels he's our head advisor on our board”

Specificity & Evidence

15.0 / 20

The episode includes several specific metrics (1:5, 1:10, 1:15, 1:20 staff-to-property ratios; Vacasa/Sonder comparison; 3% of US hotel supply is luxury; 90% of property managers' homes align with one tier). However, much of the discussion remains at the framework level without deep numerical evidence of market size, ROI, occupancy impact, or case study financials. Named examples (Rachel Alday, Abode, Moving Mountains) lack supporting data.

“signature or you know top tier homes operate at more of like a one service staff member to every five properties our premium are operating more of one to ten our lifestyle are one to fifteen”

“only three percent of us hotel supply is actually luxury”

Conversational Craft

14.5 / 20

The host asks decent setup questions and occasionally probes (e.g., on multi-tier operators, on when service isn't wanted), but rarely challenges or disagrees substantively. Follow-ups often loop back to summarizing what the guest said rather than pressing for deeper evidence or alternative perspectives. The conversation is collaborative and fluid but lacks the sharp interrogation that would push back on claims or explore contradictions.

“so then do you think there is space right for a property manager to exist in multiple levels right because you see folks with portfolios for example right that span maybe at least the top two”

“my question for you is given how much you emphasize service and that that importance how do you think about when service isn't wanted and or needed”

Standout episodes

  • The Real Reason You Can't Build a Vacation Rental Brand (It's Not What You Think) - And How to Fix It

    2026-08-18

    90
  • This Week in Hospitality: Pali Society Goes Bonvoy, Hilton's Incubating 5 New Brands, and Hot Takes with Skift's Hospitality Editor, Sean O'Neil

    2026-06-26

    70

Rank over time

2 periods tracked.

Episodes

2 scored on substance · 73 tracked in total.

  • The Real Reason You Can't Build a Vacation Rental Brand (It's Not What You Think) - And How to Fix It

    2026-08-18 · 54 min

    90 / 100
  • This Week in Hospitality: Pali Society Goes Bonvoy, Hilton's Incubating 5 New Brands, and Hot Takes with Skift's Hospitality Editor, Sean O'Neil

    2026-06-26 · 1h 15m

    70 / 100

What listeners say on Apple Podcasts

★★★★★
Beyond the Bromides
Zach takes the listener beyond hospitality bromides, diving deep into the unique sauce that makes each stay a destination. His questions are sharp, his guests bring substance, and I always walk away with an insight or two that I can apply to my own ventures.

- @Janice

★★★★★
The BEST for everything hospitality
Behind the Stays is a must-listen for anyone passionate about the hospitality. I always learn something new!

- Hill_ari

Frequently asked

What is Behind the Stays's substance score?
Behind the Stays scores 80.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #113 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 94% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #15 of 151 in Startups & Founders. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Behind the Stays worth listening to?
Yes - Behind the Stays outscores 94% of the B2B startups & founders podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a startups & founders operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Behind the Stays?
Behind the Stays is hosted by Zach Busekrus.
How often does Behind the Stays publish?
Behind the Stays publishes weekly, has 376 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-08-18.
Which Behind the Stays episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "The Real Reason You Can't Build a Vacation Rental Brand (It's Not What You Think) - And How to Fix It" (90/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

SkiftMarriottCitizenMMinor InternationalHiltonBest WesternAce HotelsPlacemaker

Guests who've appeared

Ashley ChingSteve JoyceMegan MyersSean O'Neill

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

InhavenSonderVacasaChoice HotelsReasonable Hospitality FrameworkCare Coverage RatioLanguage of TrustService StandardsQuality Tiers (Signature, Premium, Lifestyle)Resort QuestMarriott BonvoyHilton brand incubationsPali SocietySocial media as OTAsAgentic AI browsersDistribution technologyMembers clubsCitizenM

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