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Phishy Business

Hosted by Mimecast

Ready to change how you think about cybersecurity? Every other week, Mimecast’s Brian Pinnock and Alice Jeffrey are joined by a special guest for tales of risk, reward and just a dash of ridiculousness.

65 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2023-08-29 · ~32 min/episode

Rank

#1943

Substance

67.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Ops rank

#147 of 459

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Across the index

#1943 of 6182

Substance

Top 31%

outscores 69% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Phishy Business ranks #1943 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 67.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Des Rock is a genuine dual-sided practitioner - founder of a pen testing firm that pivoted into a commercial SIEM product - which gives her real operational credibility; she is not a career podcast guest or pure thought-leader, though her scale and name recognition are modest.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

14.0 / 20

There are a handful of genuinely non-obvious ideas - hackers deliberately targeting companies that have never been breached, the two-report system that suppresses internal disclosure, and the dog/EDR analogy to illustrate why 30% internal breaches go undetected - but they are spread thin across 34 minutes of casual chat, dinner-party anecdotes, and surface-level observations about AI and regulation.

“Who hasn't been breached? I already know the chances of them having a very strong security posture is low. They're the ones I'm targeting.”

“30% of all breaches across all industries happen internally. So that means that the dog will not bark at somebody it knows.”

Originality

13.0 / 20

The framing of unbereached companies as hacker honeypots and the observation that neurotypicals - not neurodiverse people - struggle most with remote discipline are genuinely counterintuitive; however, the AI-cuts-both-ways point, the 'regulation is behind' take, and the Scully effect (a well-documented existing concept) are recycled territory.

“I will tell you that the neuronormals are the ones having a hard time being disciplined enough to work at home”

“I used to think hire more women, now I think represent more women in media”

Guest Caliber

16.0 / 20

Des Rock is a genuine dual-sided practitioner - founder of a pen testing firm that pivoted into a commercial SIEM product - which gives her real operational credibility; she is not a career podcast guest or pure thought-leader, though her scale and name recognition are modest.

“We were running all 24, seven and mimicking normal hackers. So there wasn't an area in which we couldn't get in”

“I've walked into a building with two coffee cups in my hand, knowing that I can infiltrate the...through, you know, the um, proximity, uh, cards”

Specificity & Evidence

13.0 / 20

A small set of concrete numbers appears - 11% women in cyber leadership, 22%/15% autism employment rates, the 30% internal-breach statistic, Splunk named as the sole competitor at entry - but sourcing is absent throughout, no dollar figures or client names are given, and most claims remain at the level of anecdote or assertion.

“30% of all breaches across all industries happen internally”

“only 22% of adults with autism are in full time work. And in the US that proportion drops to 15%”

Conversational Craft

11.0 / 20

The hosts set up reasonable topic pivots and have done some background research with statistics, but every guest claim is met with agreement or praise ('I love that,' 'that's mad'), no figures are challenged for sourcing, and the closing three questions are generic boilerplate that produces little additional substance.

“I love that”

“how would you introduce yourself to someone at a dinner party?”

Standout episodes

  • Exposing Shortcomings in Cybersecurity Leadership and why we need more Dana Scullys

    2023-08-29

    67

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Exposing Shortcomings in Cybersecurity Leadership and why we need more Dana Scullys

    2023-08-29 · 34 min

    67 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Phishy Business's substance score?
Phishy Business scores 67.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1943 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 69% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #147 of 459 in Ops. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Phishy Business worth listening to?
Yes - Phishy Business outscores 69% of the B2B ops podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a ops operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Phishy Business?
Phishy Business is hosted by Mimecast.
How often does Phishy Business publish?
Phishy Business publishes fortnightly, has 65 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2023-08-29.
Which Phishy Business episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Exposing Shortcomings in Cybersecurity Leadership and why we need more Dana Scullys" (67/100) - a good place to start.

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