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Office Hours #895 | AI, Reinvention & Human Potential: How to Hire Smarter, Build a Second Act, and Thrive Under Pressure

Office Hours with David Meltzer · 2026-06-04 · 42 min

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

43 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density8 / 20
Originality7 / 20
Guest Caliber12 / 20
Specificity & Evidence10 / 20
Conversational Craft6 / 20

David Meltzer hosts conversations about AI's impact on employment and career reinvention with two entrepreneurs reshaping how people work. Larry Codali, CEO of Optum Hire, presents an AI-powered hiring platform serving 300,000+ companies including Google, Amazon, and Dropbox. His dual-sided system uses AI job auto-appliers to help candidates apply to 50+ job boards within 60 seconds of posting (increasing interview rates 8x), while AI recruiters screen 300-500 applications automatically, freeing human recruiters to focus on culture and character fit - reducing hiring timelines from two months to 12 days. Jay Samit, serial entrepreneur and bestselling author, releases his second book, "The Second Act Advantage," addressing the urgent career disruption facing knowledge workers as AI and automation displace jobs globally. Samit advocates for re-engaging experienced professionals by monetizing their expertise through entrepreneurship, personal brands, and AI tools - positioning second acts as longer than first careers for those living past 60. Both speakers challenge the narrative of AI destroying jobs, instead presenting it as a force multiplier for talent acquisition, upskilling, and building sustainable revenue streams when traditional employment falters.

Key takeaways

  • →Optum Hire's AI reduces job search time from 2 months to 12 days on average by auto-applying to matching jobs within 60 seconds of posting, generating 8x more interviews than manual applications.
  • →AI automation handles 90% of repetitive recruiter work like resume screening and interview scheduling, freeing humans to focus on culture and character fit evaluation.
  • →Massive job displacement from AI is coming - 1.2 million high-level tech workers were laid off in the year discussed, with manufacturing seeing complete automation (9 'lights out' factories with zero human workers).
  • →The 'second act' leverages decades of accumulated wisdom and networks through modern tools like AI and digital courses, enabling people to build revenue streams and legacy without the capital requirements of first ventures.
  • →Entrepreneurs and individuals with gray hair should stop devaluing their expertise and use AI as a force multiplier to create courses, build audiences, and monetize knowledge rather than viewing retirement as the only option.

In this episode

  1. 1Introduction and Office Hours Overview
  2. 2AI-Powered Hiring with Optum Hire's Larry Codali
  3. 3Second Act Advantage: Career Reinvention and Building Legacy with Jay Samit
  4. 4Addressing AI Job Displacement and Entrepreneurship as Solution
  5. 5Monetizing Wisdom and Building a Second Act Career

Mentioned

Optum HireGoogleAmazonDropboxNetflixUnstoppable FoundationSOFI StadiumFIFAFoxconnAmerican ExpressDavid MeltzerBlaine Bartlett

Guests

Larry CodaliJay Sebelist

Topics in this episode

TikTok monetizationOptum HireAI job auto applierAI recruiter productThe Second Act Advantage bookLights out factoriesDavosInternational Monetary FundFoxconnVibes Coded apps

Questions this episode answers

How does Optum Hire's AI job auto-applier increase interview rates for candidates?

The platform applies to matching jobs across 50+ job boards within 60 seconds of posting (targeting the first 60 minutes), creating custom resumes and cover letters automatically. This dramatically increases application volume and review velocity, resulting in almost 8x more interviews than manual applications, and reducing average job search time from 2 months to 12 days.

What percentage of a recruiter's work does Optum Hire's AI automate?

The AI recruiter automates approximately 90% of repetitive recruiter tasks, including screening 300-500+ applications, ranking candidates by criteria and screening question responses, scheduling interviews, and sending reminders - leaving the final 5-10% of human judgment for culture fit and character assessment to human recruiters.

What does Jay Samit mean by 'second act' and why is it becoming necessary?

Second acts refer to new career phases after traditional employment, especially critical as AI displaces 20-30% of jobs within five years. Samit argues second acts are now longer than first careers (if you reach 60, you likely reach 90), and emphasizes building sustainable revenue through entrepreneurship, personal brands, and monetizing accumulated wisdom - since social security and tax bases depend on traditional employment that's disappearing.

What does Jay Samit recommend as the first step to prepare for AI-driven job disruption?

Stop devaluing your expertise and recognize that what earned your experience (pivots, difficult relationships, learned lessons) makes you an expert in something AI can help you monetize. Use AI tools to create courses, reach audiences, build personal brands, or start businesses - the same leverage that enables teenagers to build billion-dollar apps through natural language coding.

What is included with Jay Samit's 'Second Act Advantage' book that differentiates it from other books?

The book comes with a custom AI tool that helps readers build out their second act based on their specific goals - whether starting a foundation, relocating cheaply, understanding visa requirements, or finding a revenue stream. Unlike static books, the AI keeps the content current and personalized rather than corporate-agenda focused.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

8 / 20

The episode contains genuine operational insight in the AI hiring segment (specific mechanics of job-application speed and recruiter automation) and Jay Sammit's AI-displacement argument, but Joe's lengthy consciousness/frequency section contributes almost no actionable content, and a large share of airtime goes to logistics, self-promotion, and event announcements.

that's almost 90% of work of a human recruiter is being done, is being automated through an AI recruiter
average we've been able to reduce from say manual application process, it takes you two months. We've been able to reduce it down to 12 days for most candidates

Originality

7 / 20

Jay Sammit's reframing of retirement as an industrial-age artifact and his observation that the second act is now longer than the first carry some freshness, but the AI-job-displacement thesis is ubiquitous, and Joe's frequency/vibration/consciousness content is boilerplate New Age material with zero novel angle.

retirement was you retired at an age and you died six years later. Okay? If you make it to 60, you have a very good shot of making it to 90, which means your second act is longer than your first one
We raised an educational system to make employees in a world that won't have employees, right?

Guest Caliber

12 / 20

Jay Sammit is the standout - a Davos speaker who chaired a public AI company and was vice-chairman of a $77B revenue business - and Larry Codali is a genuine operator with real traction. Joe is a generic mindset/consciousness speaker whose credentials are almost entirely personal-story-based, dragging the average down.

I was chairman, as you probably know, of one of the public AI companies. The speaker before me was the head of the International Monetary fund who said 20 to 30% of all jobs will disappear over the next five years
my last company I was vice chairman of 77 billion a year

Specificity & Evidence

10 / 20

The Larry and Jay segments deliver real, named data points - application timing, hiring-time reduction, IMF projections, Foxconn factory numbers - but these claims are never interrogated or sourced beyond assertion, and the third guest's entire segment contains essentially zero concrete evidence.

1.2 million people with high level tech experience have been laid off just this year
They had 3 million workers in Southeast Asia. They now have 9 lights out factories

Conversational Craft

6 / 20

The host's questions are almost exclusively soft prompts designed to invite monologues rather than probe claims; large assertions (a student making $100M in a semester, Foxconn's factory transformation) pass entirely unchallenged, and Larry is cut off mid-conversation to segue into event promotion rather than pressed for depth.

How did you gain such great traction uh, with your platform? Because that's a pretty big community uh, of companies uh, that you're working with.
Larry, uh, promise us you'll come onto our other shows. We want to learn more in the aspect of talent acquisition

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Share of words spoken

  • Speaker A27%
  • Speaker E21%
  • Speaker F19%
  • Speaker C16%
  • Speaker B10%
  • Speaker D6%

Most-used words

first16thank15love15second14recruiter14rhett12world12question12jobs11start11life11david10apply10human10book10hours9

Episode notes

Larry Kodali is a software engineer, three-time entrepreneur, and the founder of OptimHire, an AI-powered recruiting platform designed to transform the hiring process. After repeatedly experiencing the challenges of slow, costly, and inefficient recruiting while building previous technology companies, Larry set out to create a better solution. Today, OptimHire serves more than 300,000 companies, including major organizations such as Google, Amazon, and Dropbox, leveraging a talent network of over 200 million candidates and filling thousands of roles annually. Through the use of artificial intelligence and automation, Larry is helping businesses streamline hiring, reduce friction, and

Full transcript

42 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Speaker A: That was all for nothing. This is. You would think this is episode number eight, but it's 895 or more. Don't forget to unmute myself. Uh, the variance of office hours with our co host, the amazing Blaine Bartlett. My mentor, coach and teacher for so many years. He's moved my possibilities into reality and beyond, which, by the way, I was, uh, in Marie Diamond's new film, uh, beyond your imag. Your wildest dreams. Beyond your wildest dreams. Uh, just another beautiful story and lessons, uh, for so many of us. I can't wait till that's, uh, released on Netflix. Blaine, thank you so much for joining us. I'm gonna get right into it.

Speaker B: Yeah, we'll just dive.

Speaker A: Yeah, we're, we're off to one of, uh, your, uh, more frequented, uh, locations. We're off to Japan. We have, uh, a quick speech interview, meetups holding court, and then we'll be with Nick Saban and I in Louisville, Kentucky, with Matt, uh, Ebert, uh, as well with Crash Champions, then Chicago Kalamazoo, back to Chicago, all with meetups, holding courts, interviews, VIP dinners for the Unstoppable Foundation, Las Vegas. Hopefully, uh, you'll be joining us again for season 11, season 11 at the Wynn in the lobby. Uh, we'll invite our other, uh, guests today, uh, to join us. And, uh, I figured if I stalled long enough, we, uh, bring this dude on here. Yeah, uh, Santa's on vacation again. He's, uh, God, uh, knows where, but Rhett Power in the house. Uh, uh, what's up, Mr. Power? Or not.

Speaker C: Or not.

Speaker B: There he is.

Speaker A: There he goes. Hey, buddy. How are you?

Speaker D: I'm in Kiowa, South Carolina.

Speaker A: Oh, nice. In his home. So right on. Very good. And then we'll finish up with Tim Story, Jay Abraham, Marie diamond, and many, uh, John Coyle. We have an extraordinary monthly, uh, act like a champion. You are Mastermind with Tim Story and I in Newport Beach. So we. We, uh, have our own mastermind in our own backyard. Uh, it's either SOFI Stadium and. Or we do two, uh, in Newport beach as well right now. SOFI Stadium was bought out. They bought me out of my office in my podcast studio by FIFA for the World Cup. Only one per. Only one group has more money than Kronke, and it's FIFA, I guess. Uh, but anyways, uh, if you want to be informed or invited, just text me. If you didn't hear the jingle beforehand, I'm not going to sing it. Area code 949. Next three numbers, 29829. 05. If you want any information, guides, exercises or invited by email. David means beloved at D is my first initial. Meltzer means servant. Let me be your beloved servant David Meltzer dot com. All right boys, it's time to hit it. We have Larry waiting in the green room. Larry Codali is here. Thank you buddy for joining us.

Speaker C: Hi everybody. My pleasure being here.

Speaker A: Such a blessing to have you CEO and founder at Optum Hire, uh, which is an AI powered hiring platform trusted by over 300,000 plus companies including Google, Amazon and Dropbox. Need I say more? The credibility is there. How did you gain such great traction uh, with your platform? Because that's a pretty big community uh, of companies uh, that you're working with.

Speaker C: Uh, thanks David for the introduction and uh, uh the short answer is 17 years of hard work.

Speaker A: You're an overnight success.

Speaker B: Exactly.

Speaker E: Yeah.

Speaker C: So I've been an entrepreneur for almost 17 years and been in the same recruiting industry. Uh Optima is my third company. So first uh, company uh, had a good exit. Second company, not so great exit but more or less. And then uh, Optima is an AI driven one, uh the latest venture that we're working on. So we are a uh, VC backed fund, uh done with $6 million in funding or so. But uh, yeah our uh, uh our product actually is, is actually doing all the magic for us. That's how is it, that's actually the main reason why so many companies, so many candidates are working with us. We have an AI uh job auto applier. So as a candidate with the click of a button it will search for matching jobs for you at 50 plus job boards, 300,000 companies that we are partnered with. And uh, it will help you apply for all of those uh, like a matching job for you based on your preferences, your career, career settings and skills. Fill uh up the application, create a custom resume, custom cover letter and all of that. Uh but the most important part is uh, we help candidates get almost eight times more interviews than uh, any other platform that you manually apply. Because through an AI system we're able to apply to a job within less than 12 hours of a job being published. So the statistics go up way way higher. So if you are able to apply to a job, in fact most of the time we aim for being within the first 60 seconds of a job being published on a job board on any of these big sites, Google, Amazon, any of them are like users who are using our job automplier get to finish their application within the first 60 seconds. So that's how their uh, Their applications get reviewed so fast and their interview chances jump by almost eight times. Wow.

Speaker B: Now the numbers are impressive. Uh, Larry, uh, you know, over 300,000 companies, as you mentioned, you've got over 200 million people in your database. You know, job applicants and whatnot. Um, so as a user case for AI, I, uh, think you are really kind of a case study, uh, for the possibility here, particularly when we think about, you know, the fear, quote unquote fear that a lot of people have about AI replacing jobs. You've actually flipped this around. AI making job impossible, uh, securing a position. I've done a lot of hiring for the different companies that we've had. Hiring is, as far as I can tell, it's not a science, it's an art. Getting the right person in the right seat, on the right bus to steal something from Jim Collins here is a big deal. How do you vet the, the potential candidate not so much for a skill set that match, but for a, uh, uh, character match for the culture of the organization, if in fact your algorithm actually moves into that.

Speaker C: Uh, very good point. Uh, you brought up. Uh, so just to give you an idea, the, the ecosystem. First point I want to address in your statement that you said, yes, a lot of people fear AI is going to take away jobs. That's actually a big thing going on right now. A lot of people fear that. Uh, but we, I want to show a slightly different, uh, side of the AI revolution that's happening right now. So in, in our own platform we have two parts of this equation. One is an AI recruiter. Another side is an AI job applier, Job apply. As I explained, it's very easy as soon as job is posted, as in, uh, not only does it create a custom resume, custom cover letter, but that the AIM M is to be one of the first few applications apply. Uh, applications that reach and get applied to a job within the first 60 minutes is what we aim at. Most jobs, we're able to do it within 12 hours. Some maybe, but more like the highest is 48 hours. That's the threshold. So, uh, that's how we are able to make people find jobs much faster. Uh, on the second side, on the other side, on the employer side, yes. Uh, we have an AI recruiter product, say for any job application within the first 48 hours. Most jobs right now in the current market that we are in, they're getting anywhere between 300 to 500 job applications. Um, the system goes out to all of the. As a human recruiter, you cannot go through all of those 500 applications, see through all the resumes, go through all the questions and all that stuff. So this screens them up. And again the focus is more on the skill sets, the screening questions, what are the criterias that the human recruiter is saying to the AI recruiter saying hey, filter out these things. These are the questions, these are my parameters. This is the location, job skills, this is a salary parameter. All of those basic things that we can look in a resume and ask the candidate for some screening questions. All of that is done by ah, AI recruiter, even scheduling an interview, back and forth manual work that happens between a human recruiter for scheduling an interview and come, making them come, sending reminders. And all of that is taken care by the AI recruiter. So that's almost, if you look at it from a recruiter point of view, that's almost 90% of work of a human recruiter is being done, is being automated through an AI recruiter. Uh, now the last 10% or 5 to 10% of it as you rightly brought out is the human element. M. You want to understand the, the uh, culture fit, the uh, maybe even the characteristics of the person or uh, you want to go through more about their. So many other human, human touch elements I would say. So what the AI does is say you have 500 applications, we filter them out based on the criteria that the human recruiter is setting them out. Or if there is a screening questions which ask the screen questions, get all the answers, we will rank them out and say hey, these are the top five based on the criteria that you have given. This is the scoring. You can go through the top five, see if you like any of them. If you don't like it will show you the next five. Then after that we'll show you the next five. So it is organizing that and it's eliminating most of the repetitive work uh, that a human recruiter does. So that's the segment that we are targeting right now. Um, now the beauty here is that yes, as a human recruiter, 90% of your repetitive work is removed as a candidate. Previously a job hunting process used to be a huge laborious process. You had to apply to so many different jobs, it would sometimes take like six months or like two months or six months to find a job. Uh, with using an AI job auto apply that we have given, we have seen, we have been able to help candidates get a job in less than two days. Uh, they fill up an application. Sometimes they are the right fit for the right, the right moment. So immediately the Applications go out, interviews are being conducted within two business days itself. The interviews are being organized and immediately being sorted out and being hired. So average we've been able to reduce from say manual application process, it takes you two months. We've been able to reduce it down to 12 days for most candidates, uh, to get hired too. Wow, that's.

Speaker A: Thank you, Rhett. We're gonna have to move to the next guest as you came on there, but we'll get it caught up again. Uh, Larry, uh, promise us you'll come onto our other shows. We want to learn more in the aspect of talent acquisition and being able to provide both the candidate and the companies, uh, the most efficient, effective and statistically successful way to, to have the right person in front of you to fit into the culture and to understand the character, you have to go through a laborious process. Like you said before, there was, uh, Optum hire, uh, in order just to get to the interview for the character and culture fit. Uh, Larry Kadali making it happen once again with optim hire optimhire.com um, hundreds of thousands of people using it already. Uh, congratulations on your success and we look forward to doing more with you. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you guys.

Speaker A: Thanks for having me. You got it. Yeah. Success leaves clues. Uh, Jay is waiting patiently. Uh, Jay Submit is here. CEO, best selling author, serial entrepreneur fits right into this crew. And on Cinco de Mayo, his new book came out, the second act Advantage. Monetize your wisdom, master longevity and build unforgettable legacy. Uh, as he is an international best selling office, uh, uh, author. Like I said, Jay, you're in the right house if you look around. So you're going to get along fabulously with this crew. Welcome to Office Hours episode 895 or so. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker E: Thanks, David And Larry couldn't have been a better segue when I spoke at Davos and I've predicted job loss from AI. I was chairman, as you probably know, of one of the public AI companies. The speaker before me was the head of the International Monetary fund who said 20 to 30% of all jobs will disappear over the next five years. So the reasons why so many people are lined up is the jobs are disappearing. 1.2 million people with high level tech experience have been laid off just this year. So you don't get to choose when your second act starts. This doesn't just mean retirement. This means they're getting rid of the gray hair. They're getting rid of anybody. You came in fourth at the Olympics by 200th of a second, your 20 years of racing are over. So the positive is AI can now be a force multiplier for the entrepreneur, for the sole entrepreneur, for anybody that wants to monetize the wisdom that they've built all these years. Exactly what you're doing today, David. And we need to get more people engaged because that's where whatever jobs are going to come from, they're going to come from the small entrepreneur. I've preached this for years. I've taught it. My most successful class, I taught at the largest engineering university in the country. I had one student make $100 million in a semester. Not mythical money. Donate to the school money.

Speaker A: Um,

Speaker E: we need this now, because what happens to society if we start losing? Having 10%, 20% unemployment? Uh, no country is designed for it. I sit on a board with one of the board members of Foxconn. That's who makes your iPhones, your PlayStations.

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Speaker E: They had 3 million workers in Southeast Asia. They now have 9 lights out factories. What's the lights out factory? The lights are out because there's zero humans in there. So massive disruption is coming. I can't change that, but I can empower people and to help them. This book does something no book ever did. And my books are in 14 languages. I've heard from readers in 140 countries. When you make a book, it's out of date. Not this one. This one comes with a custom AI so that you can build out your second act, figure out what you want to do, and it's always populated just with information for that. So it's not a corporate agenda AI it's your personal AI So you can figure out, maybe you want to start a foundation, maybe you want to live more richly but more cheaply in another country. What are the visa things? Everything is set up for that because I am passionate about getting the wisest among us re engaged.

Speaker A: So smart, Rhett, why don't you bring us forward?

Speaker D: Well, Jay, this is. I love this. Uh, what, what is something that we can Do I mean, we all have gray hair here, right? There's an abundance of it here, as I think David was alluding to earlier. Um, but if you're 50 and you're listening to this podcast, or you're 45,

Speaker A: right, and, or you're like 80, like

Speaker D: Blaine, or even, even like, yeah, or even like 20. Like even like 20, right. And you're starting a new job like my son started a new job this weekend in, uh, in an industry in New York City that I think in two years is going to be massively different. What is the first step you need to take right now to protect yourself and get ready for this? Because it's overwhelming. I mean, I think a lot of people are feeling overwhelmed right now

Speaker F: in

Speaker E: a headlights and that's a great question. So the first thing and, and obviously depends where you are in the spectrum. Um, it sounds intimidating. Oh my God. Uh, AI, I'm not a computer guy. Remember, if you have gray hair, you remember when you said I never have a PC in my house or I don't need an iPhone or the Internet is, is scary. I'm never putting my credit card into there or I'll go further. You don't believe me that within five years you'll have a robot in your house. Um, but here's where you start. Stop devaluating your worth. What got you the gray hair, what you learned, what the lessons that when you had to pivot, the difficult people you had to deal with, all those made you an expert in something. Now AI can be a tool so that you can monetize that, so you can reach an audience, you can create a course goes up once while you're sleeping. Thousands and thousands of people are taking it. There are grandmothers on TikTok teaching cooking, making seven figures a year. There are people just eating food on TikTok. So you missed the social media revolution. There's a dog making a million dollars a year. Makes me feel like I've wasted a lot of time. We've had the youngest self made billionaire, a teenager, no connections. Now, um, I'm talking about one of the Kardashians, Alex Wang, who just vibe coded an app. And what that means, fancy term for you just talk to your computer and say, could you make me something like this? And 30 seconds later it's done. Before he was 18, a billion dollars. So ask the questions. AI isn't judging you. You don't have to be embarrassed. What you don't know, it can walk you through. I've been in tech. I started on the Internet in 78. I was one of the first 70 people. Okay? I put video on a computer. I have an Emmy for movies on demand. I've never written a line of code. I'm not an engineer. I have no technical ability. I'm a moron. Okay? But you only need two things to be successful. Insight and perseverance. And I'm sure David agrees with that. Everything else can be hired. So when I started out, if you would have told me dozens of my friends would become self made billionaires, I'd ask you what you were smoking. I never met a millionaire. My dad made sandwiches. Okay. But here we are. And yes, Reid Hoffman I can name some of them. Are some of the smartest people in the world. I'm not going to out. But there's some self made billionaires not so smart. It doesn't take a genius. It's not an educational level. It's about understanding how you can leverage these tools. And I am passionate about being able to empower people. And I've seen it all over the world. The one thing that I never got when I ran public companies and I've had hundreds of thousands of employees. You know, my last company I was vice chairman of 77 billion a year. Okay. Never got a thank you note from a board. You know somebody's got noise in the background. Please mute. What I did get is in 16 weeks, you better move the stock again or you're out the door. What I hear from readers and Nigeria, Pakistan, Brazil is they took their life from what they didn't believe was possible. And last one, I'll shut up. My last book was called Future proofing. You. I took a homeless immigrant to the U.S. mentored him one day a week for a year. No capital, no introductions to business things. And spoiler alert, you went from the streets to self made millionaire. And I'm not selling coaching, I'm not selling seminars, I'm not selling anything. Okay? I have something that billionaires don't have. I have enough. So I've spent the past 15 years just paying it forward because I know what's going to happen to society if we don't.

Speaker B: I love this. Yeah, just real quick and I'm, you know, I know we got a little timepiece here, Jay. Yeah, um, the second act book. I want to just touch on that. Uh, the second act advantage. Yeah. As far as I can tell, retirement is an artifact of the industrial relay, uh, industrial age. And retirement didn't exist prior to that. So the second act, we're actually kind

Speaker C: of going back to the beginning.

Speaker B: Now here's something, ah, John Maynard Keynes at one point in time said that if capitalism is actually able to realize its promise, its full potential, we will find ourselves in a situation where we don't have to work. Things will have happened from a perspective where now we have time for ourselves to begin to look at what, what, what do we want to do? You know, what's the value I'm bringing?

Speaker E: And you're doing the thesis. So retirement was you retired at an age and you died six years later. Okay? If you make it to 60, you have a very good shot of making it to 90, which means your second act is longer than your first one. And the reason why it's called second act advantage is. I started my first company at 20. Why ask any 20 year old? They know everything. I thought I knew everything. I got lucky, okay? I spent the next 40 years realizing what I didn't know. But your second time, you have that advantage of knowledge and wisdom. Secondly, you have a network that you've built now. You have the tools that you don't have to raise the amount of capital I've raised billion. You know, you don't have to do any of that. And, but what I want to say is where you're heading is we all want to have purpose. When they looked at the blue zones, it's not diet or exercise that gives you longevity. It's having ikigai, a reason to get out of bed in the morning so you can do well and do good at the same time. Build a business that solves a problem for people, that makes our world better. And then you'll experience joy. So I hook into the book that will get you a revenue stream. That kid that I talked about first month when he made 40, $50,000, okay, he could have flown around the world without a plane, right? You guys know this, you're entrepreneurs. We raised an educational system to make employees in a world that won't have employees, right? So there's no universal basic income coming for you. Social Security is when most of the jobs are replaced by AI, whether it's embodied in robots or if your job's staring at a computer screen, the computer doesn't need you. That means there's no tax base paying into those social services. So you are out of luck unless you take control of your destiny. And if you don't, you're deer in the headlights. And I, and I, I worry about the, what the implications are. So I thank you for sharing your audience and helping me get the Message out. I sound like I'm on a soapbox. I am.

Speaker A: We'll be inviting you down to Newport beach for our with Tim Story, J. Abraham, myself, uh, and several others. I'm sure you'll fit right in, Jay. Uh, if you can't get, we would love to have you. If you can't get this, Jay, there's still Digital J that comes with the book. Uh, so you get Digital J along with Jay. Uh, check him out@jsammit.com. the book came out on Cinco de Mayo, which, by the way, Jay, I said a Guinness Book of World Records on Cinco de Mayo at Angel Stadium. I threw the first pitch out in front of the biggest crowd ever to wear sombreros to a game. Uh, very specific joy uh, to be. So, anyway, break that one.

Speaker E: David.

Speaker A: It's time to repurpose your life, not retire the second act advantage. Uh, for anyone, uh, please read and utilize your wisdom and longevity to build an unforgettable legacy.

Speaker C: It's.

Speaker A: It takes great minds combined. We look forward, Jay, to seeing you in Newport beach later on this month and on other shows of ours. Thanks for joining me.

Speaker E: Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Speaker B: Thanks, Jake.

Speaker A: I told you he'd fit right in.

Speaker B: I'd love to have him on the solo business, so I'm going to circle

Speaker D: back with him on.

Speaker A: Circle back with him. I love Blaine after all these years. Right? Uh, hold on. Just one quick question. In, like, six minutes later, I'm like, where's the question? The question? The question was very quick. It was the prelude to the question.

Speaker B: You've got to set it up.

Speaker A: I'm the king of setting it up. I agree. And we got plenty of time for you, Blaine. It's okay. I. I always leave extra Blaine time when I'm doing office hours. Uh, anyways, uh, okay. What about Joe? Is that what you said? Yeah. Joe's waiting in the green room patiently, and, uh, he's right beneath us in Carlsbad, California. Founder of the Higher Perspective and Mindset leadership speaker, Joe is currently focused on expanding his work with leaders and organizations through his keynotes and corporate programs to improve performance by helping people master their internal state. You can't find outside of you what you can't see inside of you. And it's guys like Joe that'll help you find it. Joe, welcome to Office Hours, episode 895 or more.

Speaker F: Thank you so much for having me, gentlemen. That was a nice little cheers chat. You guys have some good camaraderie there, good energy and feel like. Got A little.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: Middle aged white man episode. Uh, we were all over it. Uh, or I think we're even older than middle age, except for maybe Rhett. He's right in the middle. Uh, anyways, perspective is so important in the inner work that needs to be done. Uh, I'm a frequency vibration student. And so when you talk about the higher perspective, I think frequency and vibration, uh, how is frequency awareness or vibration, uh, how is that utilized in your, uh, teachings, corporate programs, and keynotes about having a higher perspective?

Speaker F: Great question. So it comes down to consciousness. So what we believe and think and how we feel emotions and just feelings, what our body's holding on to is the frequency is the vibration. So it's just this transmission. It's this message that we're just kind of radiating out to the ether, to the universe, to the quantum field. And that is sending a very explicit message. This is who I am. This is what I'm about. This is what I believe. So then show that to me. Prove that to me. And the universe has no choice but to kind of mimic that, to respond back. And so all of that is tied to vibration. So we have to kind of understand, well, how can we tune in and put our vibration to that point, to that frequency where it's serving me? Because a lot of us are putting this stuff out without knowing that we're doing that, and we're putting out a message that's not serving what we ultimately want to experience for ourselves and our loved ones. So what I teach is perspective, is how do we dial that in so that we can wield that power of our consciousness and then put that dial right where we want it to be so. So that we can then see the expression of that externally, but more importantly, feel it. Confidence, pride, fulfillment, joy, gratitude internally. So we're winning on both spectrums, outside and inside.

Speaker B: Rhett, why don't you go ahead? I took such a long preamble.

Speaker D: Well, I mean, you guys should listen to the show on Wednesday that you guys do. And that. That's like the. The. The preambles and the setups there are great. I mean, I think they're X ray.

Speaker A: They're X rated, though.

Speaker E: True.

Speaker D: But, you know, I mean, you guys do Napoleon Hill really well. Anyway, uh, Joe, I want to ask, um. You know, you. You started doing this work, I'm guessing, because you. I mean, you talk about walking away from your life after losing your wife and spending years worth traveling and rebuilding, and I know we have a lot of people here that are in that rebuilding stage. What was that like for you? And how did it lead to this work? And why did you have to go through that to be able to do what you do now?

Speaker F: So I don't know. One, that's a loaded question. I have to answer 17 points there. Uh, but I don't know if I had to. But it was kind of like the, the path of least resistance was me learning that my suffering internally for like grieving the loss of my wife and then traveling the world and learning, you know, everything and studying consciousness and spirituality. Religion was, was easier, even though it was immensely difficult. It was easier than staying in this space where I just felt like a victim of my own life, where I didn't want to die, but I didn't want to live. And you're kind of like in this kind of very, very scary gray area. And I think a lot of people can relate to that. And so I chose the path of least resistance was, well, then I, um, must learn how to live differently. And so that kind of sparked my ignition into like, well, let me go out and find out what I don't know. And that's what I asked. Tell people to ask themselves what, what do you not know? Go, go think about, go discover, go figure out what you don't know about the way you're living your life and experiencing your reality. And that's the question that sparked curiosity. M and basically I just went down that path and then traveled the world again for, for a long time, just studying this stuff, figuring stuff out and then the natural kind of order of things. Once I, I, I studied like Buddhism and became very Zen and non attachment. You work hard to stay healthy and want the freedom to make the best decisions for yourself and your family. So why does healthcare still feel expensive and frustrating? Crowd health is a different approach built for entrepreneurs, families and independent minded people who want a simpler way to pay for health care. More than 28,000 members have already joined and over 40,000 medical bills have already been funded. No restrictive networks, no corporate middlemen, just real people helping each other. Learn more at, uh, joincrowd health.com that's joincrowdhealth.com and found a lot of peace there. But then I discovered that, well, I can also wield my consciousness to create a particular experience for myself. What do I ultimately want? Well, I do want love, I do want to be a father. I do want to have my own business. I want to be successful. But I, I had a big taste of that before, but I wasn't able to see it because the Brain and the mind are. Are trained to be negative, and they're trained to want what you don't have instead of what you do. So all that work allowed me to retrain my consciousness to be present and to find the fulfillment that the other gentleman was talking about earlier is to find that joy and happiness because he has enough. Right? Well, we're not trained to see that we have enough. We're always trained to look at what we don't have. Well, I was able to do that and then create a very specific life for. For what I wanted, uh, in regards to, like, fulfillment and peace and quality of life. And so it was more of just a survival mechanism. And I think it's. That's what happens to anybody that really is encouraged or empowered to go on their own personal transformation. They're sick of suffering. They're sick of the pain. They're sick of the depression, the anxiety and the stress. They go, I gotta figure some shit out here. Sorry for swearing. I gotta figure some shit out here, or else I'm stuck in this pattern and I don't want to be here anymore. And so it was just kind of typical for me too.

Speaker B: Yeah, I love this. And this will be short. I. The idea of, um, knowing myself.

Speaker A: Wait, wait, before you get to your short preamble, I just love someone who says, sorry about swearing, and then the next sentence, he swears again.

Speaker B: Apologize for saying.

Speaker A: Yeah, but what the. All right. Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker B: Uh, above the oracle, Adelphi, you know, know thyself. Um, that whole philosophy from a. From a leadership program or perspective. Yeah, I teach a program at the American association for Physician Leadership, and the title of it is Authentic your leadership Authenticity. And I would have docs and hospital administrators. What do you mean by authenticity? And that whole question begs an exploration. Um, so the idea of. Yeah, I. I set the ceiling on my organization's performance, and they will literally. People will not go further than I have moved myself in terms of consciousness as well as in terms of practice and everything else. Here you have a philosophy. What if we treated people as souls, not roles? Can you expound on that just a little bit, as it applies both to self awareness, but also how it actually translates into performance in an organization?

Speaker F: Yeah, I mean, it ties directly to authenticity, is that we come in and we be like, well, I'm, uh, you know, I'm the CMO or I'm a director, I'm this, I'm that. And we start creating this. This facade, this identity that we believe will be accepted, that we believe will Be of value to our. To the outside peers and world and lead, you know, leaders and reports and et cetera. When it's. That's the worst thing you can do for yourself because you're not actually saying, well, just who am I as a soul, as a person, it gets really messy because I'm a dad, I'm a mom, I'm an executive, whatever it is. And you start trying to create that identity. So if you drop that and you go, what is my heart space? Say, ah. What does my spirit say? What do I want to feel emotionally? And that's kind of like what the whole soul is. Because people may be atheist or not believe any of that stuff, but it's more of cool coming in and connecting to, can I just accept myself for who I am and be proud of that, pros and cons, and just step into whatever space I'm navigating or whatever team I'm leading with authentic confidence that I'm doing the best I can, that I believe in myself, I'm proud of myself, and ultimately I love myself. And so we're stepping into that space as the person that is registering that, but then also saying, if that's true for me, wouldn't it be true for everybody else in this room? And then the pressure, the stress, the anxiety of like, oh, wow, this head honcho is coming into the room. And you go, well, they're just a soul too. And we start understanding that now I'm able to show up authentically because I'm not all putting m identities on other people too. So it works both ways so we can step in and just kind of feel like, hey, did I do my best there? Yeah. What did I learn from it?

Speaker D: Cool.

Speaker F: What am I going to change moving forward? Awesome. What interactions served me, what little moments were good, what were authentic and everything. So you see, it just starts creating a different kind of ecosystem where people can come in. And then performance is a byproduct because now people don't feel the stress and anxiety of trying to get it right. They feel comfortable doing the best they can. And there are studies on results versus effort, right? And so when we're showing up saying, I'm doing the best I can, then the best parts of us are showing up, and we're creating a completely different synergy to serve performance. So performance is just kind of a, uh, natural byproduct to elevate into higher realms because people are being authentic.

Speaker A: Speaking of authenticity and at his essence, using a practical approach that combines neuroscience, psychology, spirituality, and of Course, his real world experience. If you're looking for that type of guidance to a higher perspective to make life easy by identifying your internal dis. Easy. Johann is your man. Go to johann.com. joe, promise us you'll come back. Thank you for your insight.

Speaker F: Thank you for having me, gentlemen.

Speaker A: Completely aligned in our philosophies and, uh, practicality. Appreciate it having you up in Newport beach as well in our mastermind and anywhere else you'd like to join us.

Speaker F: Thank you. And sorry for not saying enough swear words during Just.

Speaker A: Doesn't matter. I love cable tv. Oh, this isn't even cable tv. Whatever. They haven't thrown me off of, uh, Facebook, Instagram, or Tik Tok for saying the F word yet. Or Gary Vee. So, Joe, you're always welcome. I highly suggest going on, uh, Blaine's Soul of Business, your perfect match for that show as well. So make sure you guys connect.

Speaker B: All right? Thank you all.

Speaker F: I appreciate you being here.

Speaker A: Yeah, have fun, brother. We'll see you soon.

Speaker F: Take her.

Speaker A: Right on. All right, gentlemen, it's time for takeaways of the day. We'll start with Rhett Power, now that his background is quiet. Rhett, what do you got? Maybe not. Lane, what do you got?

Speaker B: Okay, uh, uh, the topic of a retirement. I love that positioning in the conversation with Jay. And I think it applies to all three of our guests. Uh, when I start tapping into who I am, really leveraging who I am, not the role that I occupy or anything else, I start moving away from world of agreement suggestions that I supposed to retire by a certain date. I'm supposed to have all the shoulds start to disappear or become less relevant. And now I'm in a position where I can actually live my life to the fullest. So my takeaway is, uh, taking the time. Literally taking the time. If I'm seeking a job, what's the job that will match who I am? If I'm actually looking at the second stage of life, third stage, fourth stage of life, what is it that I'm bringing to the table? That sort of a thing. And then the idea here of just relating as a soul, soul to soul, I'm not that sheepskin up on the wall. Uh, I. Yeah, I am something completely different than that. So that. That whole notion of the power of I am.

Speaker D: How do I.

Speaker A: I. I thought you were going to definitely say sort of business was your takeaway. Rhett? Yeah. Can you hear me? Rhett? Paging Rhett Power. Can you hear me? You're muted. Um, you're Muted, buddy. You're muted.

Speaker D: No idea what you said, Blaine. I'm sorry I missed that. I had.

Speaker B: Oh, hey, it was golden. It was gold.

Speaker A: What's your takeaway, Rhett?

Speaker C: Um, real quick.

Speaker D: I think my takeaway is both Jay and Joe are talking about it's time to start asking ourselves questions, right? And, and, and, and, um, figure out what it is we want. I love that question. What do you want? And then asking it again, what do you really want? I don't think we ask ourselves that enough. And I think that leads to, uh, us down roads and directions that don't suit us and don't serve us. And I think that's one of my big takeaways from dad. I really love their messages. And, uh, I think this is a time where we all have to ask ourselves that very question because things are changing. Things are changing fast.

Speaker A: But yeah, uh, I think both of those are definitely aligned with what I was feeling. Um, my takeaway is to distinguish between knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge is getting less and less expensive, uh, and takes less and less time, as indicative of a teenager who can create a billion dollar company by vibe coding an app. Uh, that's knowledge. But that wisdom of the teenager who's a billionaire now, uh, is lacking. And so if you understand the supply and demand of commodities and now that knowledge has been commoditized, uh, you'll understand that you should be seeking wisdom and faith. That will be the capability of monetized value moving into the ancient times, into the hundreds, as, as the silver tsunami of wisdom is coming. Wisdom versus knowledge is my takeaway. Thank you gentlemen for joining us. We have a blast. Uh, and don't worry, even though we went over in time, it was well worth it. So in honor of Joe, you guys go off and have a great night.

Speaker B: Sounds like a plan.

Speaker A: I love you both, Blaine Bartlett dot com. And don't forget, uh, the head of mental himself, uh, Rhett Power. Dot com. Thank you, guys. I'll see you soon. All right, that'll do it for today. Episode 895 or more. We're gonna be in Japan, uh, tomorrow, uh, come and see us. Interviews, holding courts, meetups, and even a VIP dinner for charity. Then we'll be off with Nick Saban and I to Louisville, Kentucky, Chicago. In between, Kalamazoo, Michigan, back to Chicago, I guess for season 11 of Office Hours. Are you kidding me? In the lobby of the Win, all of these have a car wash. And then finishing up with Tim Story, Jay Abraham, maybe some of the guests today up in Newport Beach John Coyle, myself, david.com. email me. David means beloved at D is my first initial. My meltzer means servant. Let me be your beloved servant. Davidmeltzer.com or text me if you want to be informed or invited to. All this cool. All this cool. That's area code 949, 298 2905. Remember, most importantly, be more interested, uh, than interesting. Be kind. Be kind to your future self and do good deeds. Hit it, Gigi.

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