Leadership Sovereignty Podcast: Career Growth and Promotion · 2026-02-16 · 12 min
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41 / 100
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This episode dissects why people return from vacations feeling drained rather than restored, introducing the concept of reset versus rest. Using the bear hibernation metaphor, the hosts explain that rest is the biological process of sleep, while reset is an intentional lowering of your nervous system through practices like meditation, breathing work, and sensory grounding. Terry Baylor and Ralph Owens emphasize that vacations fail as recovery tools when people bring work habits with them - checking emails, staying mentally activated - rather than deliberately shifting to a calm physiological state. The practical takeaway centers on daily capacity protection: scheduling 5-10 minute sensory awareness sessions (touching textures, grounding barefoot in grass, mindful eating, scented lotion) to ground yourself multiple times throughout the work day. This isn't about eliminating performance but adding intentional recovery cycles so your body doesn't accumulate stress debt. Leaders who model and protect reset for themselves can help teams understand the mind-body connection and boost overall performance and resilience.
Rest is the biological sleep process your body goes through nightly for physical rejuvenation; reset is an intentional lowering of your nervous system through practices like meditation, breathing, and grounding to bring yourself into a calm, recovered state - like a bear in hibernation that's not asleep but in a deep restorative state.
Most people bring their work mindset and habits (checking email, staying mentally activated) to vacations instead of intentionally shifting to a calm physiological state through practices like meditation and disconnection, so they never actually reset.
Take 5-10 minutes, one or two times per day, and engage your five senses intentionally: touch a textured object (fuzzy ball, crystal, scented lotion), go outside and put your bare feet on grass, taste your food slowly, smell scents, and notice what you see - these sensory practices bring you back to calm and enhance your capacity.
No - reset isn't about eliminating performance but adding intentional recovery cycles so your body doesn't accumulate stress debt; this actually increases your capacity to perform better and helps your nervous system prepare for the next day.
Your body physiologically tracks whether you're in constant performance mode without recovery; it understands when you need to return to a calm state so you can sustain high performance, and ignoring this need damages long-term capacity and health.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode offers a few genuinely useful distinctions (rest vs. reset, the bear hibernation metaphor, the concept of body-keeping-score), but these core ideas are presented with substantial filler, repetition, and conversational tangents that dilute insight density. The practical advice (five senses grounding, scheduling recovery) is solid but relatively basic and not densely packed with novel claims.
rest is actually sleep, is going through a physical process that we need to get up every day to be rejuvenated versus this hibernation, this reset is we bring our pulse down, we do meditation
Your mind is never separated from your body. So when you get in that constant state of performance and work, your body's taking score of that
The episode relies heavily on established wellness concepts (meditation, grounding, body-keeps-score) without significant fresh thinking. The rest vs. reset distinction is useful but derivative of popular recovery frameworks. The bear hibernation analogy is creative but underdeveloped and not original thinking - it's a loose metaphor rather than a novel framework.
the difference between rest and reset, right? Why after we supposedly have taken a rest, we're like, man, I need another vacation
grounding, right? I may get up, go outside, like when was the last time you put your feet in the grass
The guest (Amethyst, identity unclear from transcript) appears to have practical experience and speaks from a place of personal application, but there is no clear establishment of credentials, scale of impact, or seniority. The hosts are a CIO and healthcare tech CEO, which is solid, but the episode lacks clear evidence of deep operational expertise in recovery/wellness strategy or leadership at enterprise scale.
I'm Ralph Owens, Chief Information Officer in the financial services industry alongside my cohost, Terry Baylor, the CEO of a healthcare tech startup
if you could just take five to ten minutes in your workday, notice something from each sense
The episode is almost entirely devoid of named examples, concrete metrics, timelines, or specific data. It relies on abstract anecdotes (high school rivalry, personal preferences) and vague prescriptions ("five to ten minutes," "three to five things") without quantified outcomes, case studies, or measurable business impact.
you could just take five to ten minutes in your workday, notice something from each sense, maybe three things from each sense
I have an Amethyst rock over there and I might just touch that rock, why? Because it's bringing me back to me
The hosts ask basic follow-up questions and create a friendly conversational tone, but lack depth of interrogation. Questions are mostly invitational ('wanna take us to the next topic?') rather than challenging or probing. No productive disagreement, no pushback on claims, and significant conversational drift into personal anecdotes (high school rivalry) that don't advance the substance.
That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense, most of us, Ralph, when we go on vacation, we start another job
And I talked about this a little bit when we talked before in terms of like the bear effect, the hibernation effect
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
You took the vacation. So why do you feel like you need another one? In this episode of the Leadership Sovereignty Podcast, host Ralph Owens and co-host Terry Baylor continue their conversation with Amethyst Roberson - executive coach and emotional intelligence strategist. This is Part 4 of 5 of their conversation with Amethyst. Amethyst breaks down the difference between rest and reset - two things most leaders treat as the same thing and pay a real price for. She introduces the bear hibernation framework, the body keeps score concept, and a practical five-senses grounding practice you can use at your desk today. Ralph shares a candid moment about craving stillness without knowing how to create it - and how intentional recovery is the missing piece in most high performers' daily routine.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Why after we supposedly have taken a rest, we're like, man, another vacation. We just grind all day long until we go to sleep, and that can't be healthy. The difference between rest, rest is actually sleep, is going through a physical process that we need to get up every day to be rejuvenated versus this hibernation, this reset is we Welcome to the Leadership Sovereignty Podcast, where professionals learn to navigate challenges at work through the power of leadership principles.
I'm Ralph Owens, Chief Information Officer in the financial services industry alongside my cohost, Terry Baylor, the CEO of a healthcare tech startup. Together, we've spent decades building teams, transforming organizations, and coaching individuals through the moments that define their careers. We unpack the mindset, strategies, and habits that help you lead with confidence, expand your influence, get promoted, and increase your income. Now let's dive into today's episode.
All right, Terry, you wanna take us to the next topic? Yeah, so I really like this topic, right? Let's just dig right into it. The difference between rest and reset, right?
Why after we supposedly have taken a rest, we're like, man, I need another vacation. From the vacation. This is a new concept from rest versus reset, because a lot of times we believe when we take that vacation, we've reset. But what's really going on here?
That's good. I'm laughing because that just happens. My ten day vacation came back, time to get busy again. I mean, there's definitely a difference clinically and physically and rest is sleep and giving our bodies time to really go through the cycle and the process.
I'm not like a sleep expert, but we have to go through the process of sleep, getting into REM sleep and getting to the point where we are fully rested, disconnecting from all the AI world, all of technology, setting the space up, the room up so that you are at optimal rest versus reset. And I talked about this a little bit when we talked before in terms of like the bear effect, the hibernation effect where hibernation for There's a few animals, probably about four or five animals that hibernate and we're familiar with the bear, right?
And so the bear is actually not asleep. The bear is in such a calm state that And here's the reason it's sleep. It's sleep because during that season, what that bear needs to eat, the snow is on the ground, it can't get to what it needs for nourishment, right? So it has to bring its body to a certain state so that it's not craving those things.
It's not going after those things. So to me, the difference between rest, rest is actually sleep, is going through a physical process that we need to get up every day to be rejuvenated versus this hibernation, this reset is we bring our pulse down, we do meditation. There's so many different things that you can do to bring yourself into a calm state so that your body, your mind, your spirit is not craving. Church, we talk about that in that fasting state, where our body's not craving certain things so that we have kind of an open ear that we didn't have before then.
It's not that So don't go near that bear, that bear not asleep. Right? Right, right. Don't come at me with an attitude or in real life, don't deal with me because you see me in this restorative reset state because I'm not sleep, I'm just in a place where I'm recovering.
That has to be for us, okay, a bear does it, but for humans we have to be intentional about it. So that's why vacations can work, but it has to be a set intentional experience of bringing the physiological part of you all the way down through meditation, through breathing, the spa, whatever it is to bring that down. If your jaw is clenching, your shoulder is still struggling and hurting, you breathing fat, if you feel fragmented, you're not in that state of reset. So that's kind of how I usually address those two things in the leadership role, it's bringing your team to that space.
That makes a lot of sense. That makes a Because lot of sense, most of us, Ralph, when we go on vacation, we start another job. It's another It's everywhere. Basically.
Basically. Man, that is so I'm radical with it. I'm taking my computer and everything, so I got to Yeah, get better at that is so powerful though. Yeah.
I'm trying to think in my own Well, guess as I've gotten older, I've craved it. Didn't know how to label it. Would tell my wife all the time, I'm like, Man, I don't want to go on no more cruises. Just too Right?
I just want to go to a resort somewhere where I could just sit there and just look at the sky. Right? And I think I was just craving that ability to disconnect from everything. Be calm, you know?
But now I'm thinking to myself, But how am I doing that daily? Where am I intentionally planning and making room for this process? Because we don't. Just grind all day long until we go to sleep.
Yeah. Yes. And that can't be healthy for you, not only emotionally, but physically. Wow, that's really thought provoking.
I appreciate that. It's making me rethink some things as to how I plan out my day. Because you talked about frameworks like yoga or breathing or those types of things. Everything you said requires intentional planning.
Mhmm. Right? Putting it on the schedule. You gotta get it on a, it's gotta be just as important as everything else that you have to do, goes back to your capacity, right?
It goes back to your capacity and setting boundaries, to be able to say, you know what, I'm gonna set a boundary here so that I can have this time for me to reset so that my capacity is greater so that I can be the best that I can be for you. Man, sure. That's it, me to reset. Yeah.
Ralph, that was a great summary on that too. So also, Amethyst, can you hit a little bit on, and you said this before, you said your body is keeping score. I think this is a great a great segue to that, right? Because, you know, and that resonates with me, right?
Because I'm a sports guy, I love sports. I mean, I love sports. And I'm gonna say this too, right? Amethyst and I, we went to high schools that were like rivals.
Oh, what high school did you I'm go gonna get it out there. I went to McClure. Oh, yes, Fuck yeah. Yeah.
So I went to the of the show, guys. I want the vibe and the energy in the right space. If it turns right now, you know why. I remember one time, man, they ran us out the parking lot, rap.
They ran us out the parking lot, man. We had to leave. That was probably right in there. I did more than running, unfortunately.
Man. Good good one. You all mentioned body keeps score, also one thing that you can do in a natural way, whether at work, at home, you're not on vacation is be mindful, notice your senses, taste, touch, what you're watching. And I always say, if you could just take five to ten minutes in your workday, notice something from each sense, maybe three things from each sense, what can you touch?
Because a lot of times we're just on the keyboard and that's associated with work. Bring your little fuzzy ball. I have an Amethyst rock over there and I might just touch that rock, why? Because it's bringing me back to me, right?
I'm centered in work, but I need to focus on me right now. I need to touch this rock and to ground my what's called grounding, right? I may get up, go outside, like when was the last time you put your feet in the grass, right? Been a long time, but as kids, did that all the time.
Why? Because we were grounded. Again, we didn't have the language for then, but the language for putting your feet on the ground and in the grass right now is grounded. It's bringing you back to you.
It's like touching something with your senses. So what can I taste? Not just eating your food, but taking time to enjoy your lunch. Going at a pace where your digestive system is doing what it's supposed to.
So that is actually taking our lunches. I was horrible at that. I keep lotion at my desk. It's not just lotion, but I'll take scented lotion.
Why? Because I can touch that. I can put that lotion on the smell of it. So now I'm in what I'm smelling.
So again, of your five senses, think of three to five things that you can do to heighten all of those senses at least one or two sessions per day. You can break it up. Why do we do that? To bring ourselves back to that place of calm, that place that we talked about that is bringing you in touch with your capacity at that moment, it's enhancing your capacity.
So when you think about your body keeps score, the score is going to go through the roof when you are focusing on you. Your mind is never separated from your body. So when you get in that constant state of performance and work, your body's taking score of that. It understands that you needed to do that, but it also understands that you need to be brought back to that state of calm so that you can be prepared for the next day.
So we're not just getting rid of performance because it's needed, but we're adding a component through our discussion that we're adding a component to it, that's going to actually help us perform even better. That's going to actually help the team understand each other better. It's going to increase the capacity. We're gonna get to know our condition.
And so that's what I mean by the body keeps growing. That's not my framework, but that's an understanding, a term that's a phrase that's out there now, but that's how I apply it in my everyday life. Thank you for listening to the Leadership Sovereignty Podcast. If today's conversation helped you grow in your leadership, influence or your career, take a moment to visit leadershipsovereignty.
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