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Agents of Change

Hosted by Leadtail Studios

Agency life is constantly changing - from client requests to industry regulation, it can be challenging to stay on top of the best practices and trends.

24 episodes · publishes monthly · latest 2025-08-07 · ~29 min/episode

Rank

#3140

Substance

61.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Marketing rank

#468 of 991

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Across the index

#3140 of 6183

Substance

Top 51%

outscores 49% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Agents of Change ranks #3140 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 61.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Nick Franfelder is a legitimate practitioner - prior CRO, multi-startup founder, runs a 35-person SEO agency with 70 clients - and explicitly grounds claims in operational experience rather than thought-leadership posturing; however, he is a small-agency CEO rather than someone who has scaled SEO or organic strategy at an enterprise or household-name company.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

12.0 / 20

There are a few genuinely useful observations - search prompts being ~5x longer than keywords, social media as training data for LLMs, AI's preference for unique over derivative content - but they are diluted by lengthy anecdotes, filler affirmations, and standard advice (use video, be authentic, long-tail keywords) that any competent SEO practitioner would already know.

“we've gone from keywords, five words in a search bar, to conversation. So keywords to key conversations. The conversation, even what you write in the chat prompt is five times longer than the keyword”

“80% of all web traffic is happening on social media platforms and that is publicly available to the models to train on”

Originality

11.0 / 20

The 'keywords to key conversations' reframe is a clean articulation, and the LLM monetization Hulu analogy is mildly fresh, but most frameworks are explicitly borrowed (Seth Godin, Gino Wickman's 'three uniques' from Traction) and the tactical advice - founders should post, use video, join communities - is widely circulated.

“AI writes, um, poetry, but it can't write poems”

“The collision of, um, SEO or what we call AI SEO, um, A I S O G E O, it doesn't really matter. No one really has figured out a term, but it's colliding with social”

Guest Caliber

15.0 / 20

Nick Franfelder is a legitimate practitioner - prior CRO, multi-startup founder, runs a 35-person SEO agency with 70 clients - and explicitly grounds claims in operational experience rather than thought-leadership posturing; however, he is a small-agency CEO rather than someone who has scaled SEO or organic strategy at an enterprise or household-name company.

“last 15 years, uh, before I bought Shoroke two years ago, um, I was a chief revenue officer and also a founder of a couple of startups”

“we have about. Gosh, we're up to about 70 clients. You got 35 people”

Specificity & Evidence

12.0 / 20

A handful of concrete data points appear - LLM subscription pricing tiers, studio setup costs, agency headcount - but the most consequential claims (80% of web traffic on social, ChatGPT users doubling monthly) are stated without attribution or source, and most tactical advice remains at the level of general principle rather than named case studies or measured outcomes.

“Grok, uh, four just came out this week. Uh, so if you want to use Grok 4 head heavy, that's like 300amonth”

“80% of all web traffic is happening on social media platforms”

Conversational Craft

11.0 / 20

The host structures the conversation across sensible B2B topics (gated content, regulated industries, actionable next steps) but consistently validates rather than probes - offering personal shopping anecdotes instead of follow-up pressure, accepting unattributed statistics without challenge, and closing with a soft plug invitation rather than any substantive pushback.

“Yep, yep, Absolutely. Well and I think that that kind of brings um, up another unique challenge”

“Oh, I guarantee. And it's, it's still so new. You know, we're trying to figure out how the world of AI and SEO”

Standout episodes

  • AI vs SEO: The New Rules of Content, Search & Visibility

    2025-08-07

    61

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 24 tracked in total.

  • AI vs SEO: The New Rules of Content, Search & Visibility

    2025-08-07 · 28 min

    61 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Agents of Change's substance score?
Agents of Change scores 61.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #3140 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 49% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #468 of 991 in Marketing. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Agents of Change worth listening to?
Agents of Change is ranked on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 61.0/100. See the five-dimension breakdown above to judge whether it fits what you're after.
Who hosts Agents of Change?
Agents of Change is hosted by Leadtail Studios.
How often does Agents of Change publish?
Agents of Change publishes monthly, has 24 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2025-08-07.
Which Agents of Change episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "AI vs SEO: The New Rules of Content, Search & Visibility" (61/100) - a good place to start.

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ChatGPTPerplexityGoogle AI OverviewsGrokSeth GodinSH Oakkey conversations versus keywordsEEAT (Expertise, Authority, Experience, Trustworthiness)AI SEO content mappinggated content strategy

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