A Podcast About Leadership · 2026-07-14 · 20 min
Can real love for your people and the hard decision to let one of them go ever coexist? That's the paradox at the center of this bonus episode of A Podcast About Leadership , where host Jonathan Kirschner, CEO of AIIR Consulting, sits down with his close friend Jamie Ramsden - a former CEO with 25 years of international business experience, executive leadership coach, and author of Let's Go: How Great Leaders Shape the Future . Across a wide-ranging conversation touching life, love, and leadership, the two trade personal stories about the moments that test a leader's identity most: not the strategy decisions, but the human ones. Failure Isn't the Opposite of Success - Jamie explains why the accomplishments people admire most are usually "hatched from failure," and why failure only becomes a gift when it's examined instead of avoided. The Sleepless Night Before the First Firing - Jonathan opens up about the distress of letting go of an employee for the first time, and the surprising clarity that followed once the decision was made. Can You Love Someone and Still Let Them Go?
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