
Value Based Care Advisory (VBCA) Podcast · 2026-05-31 · 12 min
Key moments - from our scoring
Substance score
53 / 100
Five dimensions, 20 points each
Most healthcare practices treat payer contracting as a simple rate negotiation, but Alex Yarijanian argues this incomplete framing leads to contracts that create operational drag within 12-18 months. The real decision is a strategic market entry and operational alignment commitment that locks you in via credentialing timelines, patient continuity expectations, and 90+ day notice periods. Yarijanian presents a six-dimensional evaluation framework: market access and insurer concentration (especially critical in high-concentration regions where a single plan covers 60-70% of members), understanding your value proposition in behavioral health differentiators like clinician availability, PSYPACT/ASWB compact licensing, and outcomes measurement, operational alignment across prior authorization workflows and credentialing cycles, payer past performance through peer conversations about claims adjudication accuracy, physician profiling and measurement programs that affect patient cost-sharing and steerage, and data sharing requirements including 42 CFR Part 2 compliance for substance use disorder records. The episode addresses the out-of-network alternative - viable only for specialty practices commanding premium direct-pay rates, but creating significant collection burden and regulatory exposure under the No Surprises Act. Behavioral health operators scaling across multiple markets cannot treat out-of-network as a sustainable growth strategy.
Market access and insurer concentration in your target geography; your value proposition and clinical differentiation; operational alignment with their prior auth and credentialing processes; the payer's past performance on claims adjudication and payment speed; their physician profiling and measurement programs; and data sharing requirements including 42 CFR Part 2 compliance for substance use disorder records.
In high-concentration markets where one plan covers 60-70% of insured members, you lack leverage - staying out of network locks you out of the majority of addressable population, meaning you're negotiating from necessity rather than strength.
Talk to peers about their claims adjudication accuracy on first submission, dispute resolution timelines, audit practices, and appeal processes in practice; actual collected revenue matters more than contracted rates if the payer systematically underpays or delays payment.
42 CFR Part 2 governs substance use disorder records and creates real constraints on what data can be shared with whom and under what conditions, creating potential compliance exposure at the intersection with HIPAA and payer data sharing requirements.
Out-of-network is only viable for specialty practices commanding premium direct-pay rates; for operators scaling across multiple markets, the collection burden, regulatory exposure under the No Surprises Act, and limitations on patient insurance recovery make it a constraint rather than a growth strategy.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode delivers substantive, non-obvious insights throughout - particularly the reframing of payer contracting as a 'market entry and operational alignment decision' rather than simple rate negotiation, the detailed discussion of operational drag from prior auth and credentialing cycles, and the specific warning about physician profiling programs affecting patient cost-sharing. The host packs concrete frameworks (six dimensions) with actionable specifics rather than platitudes, though the final minute contains some throat-clearing about subscribing.
The network decision is more accurately described as a market entry and operational alignment decision that happens to include a rate negotiation inside it.
A payer with favorable rate sheet who systematically underpays or delays is worse than a payer with a lower rate who processes cleanly and quickly.
The six-dimension framework is a useful original structure that reorders conventional thinking (pushing operational alignment and past performance ahead of rates), and the specific insight about physician profiling tier effects on patient cost-sharing is genuinely counterintuitive. However, the core themes - contract diligence, reading terms carefully, understanding payer incentives - are well-trodden in healthcare. The framing is fresher than the underlying ideas.
Treat every payer contracting decision like a significant strategic commitment because it is one, and build your evaluation framework accordingly.
A physician in a preferred tier might be subject to lower patient copays, which is a real steerage mechanism. Patients choose lower out of pocket costs.
This is a solo monologue by the host with no guest. The host, Alex Yarijanian (described as associated with Carenodes), speaks with practical authority about behavioral health and payer contracting, but without a second practitioner or operator to validate claims or add competing perspective, it cannot be evaluated on guest caliber.
I'm your host Alex Yarijanian. This show is for healthcare operators, investors and practitioners who are building in the value based care space and want to understand the business policy and market dynamics that shape outcomes.
The episode includes concrete examples (40-page contracts, 43 service codes, prior auth matrices, 90-day notice periods, HPSA counties, 60-70% payer concentration in some markets) and references specific regulations (42 CFR Part 2, No Surprises Act, PSYPACT, FHIR, HIPAA). However, it lacks named company examples, specific case studies, actual fee schedules, or quantified outcomes from real contracting scenarios. The specificity is structural and regulatory rather than empirical.
There are regions where a single plan covers 60, 70% of the commercially insured and Medicaid managed members.
Health insurer concentration is high. There are regions where a single plan covers 60, 70% of the commercially insured and Medicaid managed members. In those markets, staying at a network isn't a strategic position.
The host structures a methodical, well-organized argument with clear signposting (six dimensions, opening scenario, conclusion with takeaways), but there is no actual conversation - no guest to challenge, disagree with, or press for specificity. The monologue is clear and linear but lacks the tension, follow-ups, and productive friction that distinguish sharp conversational craft. It reads as a well-prepared presentation rather than a dialogue that surfaces new thinking.
Let me bring this back to the practical takeaway.
One more thing. If a contract involves significant value based payment terms, risk sharing arrangements or complex data provisions, get an experienced healthcare counsel involved in the review.
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
You've built the operation - clinicians credentialed, tech stack running, compliance buttoned up. Then a regional Medicaid managed care plan wants to talk about contracting. Your first instinct: great, let's do it. Then someone pulls up the 40-page contract with a 43-code prior authorization matrix and a data-sharing provision you're not sure sits cleanly with your other obligations. The fee schedule is fine. Not great - fine. And now the question isn't can we do this. It's should we, and on what terms? In this episode, Alex breaks down the payer contracting decision as what it actually is: a market entry and operational alignment commitment that happens to include a rate negotiation inside it. He walks through the six-dimension evaluation framework every health operator should run before signing anything. On the Out-of-Network Alternative Staying out of network intentionally can be a viable model - particularly in specialty markets where a practice can command premium rates on a self-pay or direct-pay basis.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Picture this. You're three months into building your telebehavioral health operation in a new state and you've got your clinicians credentialed, you got your tech stack running, your compliance program is buttoned up. And then an email lands in your inbox from a regional Medicaid managed care plan, one of those big ones, and they want to talk about getting you contracted into their network. And your first instinct is, great, let's do it.
More access, more members, more revenue. But then someone on your team pulls up the contract and it's 40 pages and there's a prior authorization matrix in the appendix that covers 43 service codes. And there's a data sharing Provision on page 31. You're not sure how it interacts with your 42 CFR Part 2 obligations.
And the fee schedule is fine, not great fine. And now the question isn't can we do this? The question is, should we? And on what terms?
That's what we're talking about today. Welcome to the Value Based Care Advisory podcast, powered by Carenodes. I'm your host Alex Yarijanian. This show is for healthcare operators, investors and practitioners who are building in the value based care space and want to understand the business policy and market dynamics that shape outcomes.
Today's episode the network decisions whether to contract with a payer, how to think about it strategically, how, on what most practices get wrong when they approach it. Let's get into it. I want to start by reframing what we're talking about when we're talking about payer contracting. Most practice is treated as a rate negotiation.
Get in, negotiate the rates, sign the contract, done. That framing is incomplete and it's one of the reasons practices end up in contracts that look fine on paper and create real operational drag within 12 to 18 months. The network decision is more accurately described as a market entry and operational alignment decision that happens to include a rate negotiation inside it. And once you've made it, you're largely locked in.
Credentialing takes time. Patient panels expect continuity. Notice periods can run 90 days or more. Getting out isn't clean.
So the discipline I want to encourage is this. Treat every payer contracting decision like a significant strategic commitment because it is one, and build your evaluation framework accordingly. Here's the core structure that I use. There are really six dimensions you need to evaluate before you sign anything.
I'm going to walk you through each one dimension 1. Market access and the concentration reality. Start with the question how many members does this payer actually cover in my target market In a lot of markets, this isn't a subtle analysis. Health insurer concentration is high.
There are regions where a single plan covers 60, 70% of the commercially insured and Medicaid managed members. In those markets, staying at a network isn't a strategic position. It's a decision to lock yourself out of the majority of the addressable population. For telebehavioral health operators specifically, you need to map out payer penetration against your service geography and particularly against HPSA Health Professional Shortage area designated counties.
If you're serving Medicaid populations, the density of payer membership in your geographic footprint is the starting point for any market access conversation. The reason this comes first is that it shapes your negotiating posture, right? If you are operating in a market where one plan dominates and you need members to hit your volume targets, you're not negotiating from a position of ultimate or unlimited leverage. You need to understand that clearly before you walk into the room.
Dimension two is to understand your value proposition. Okay, so you need this payer, let's say. But what do they need from you? This is where most practices undersell themselves.
Your value proposition isn't a negotiating asset. And in behavioral health particularly there are real differentiators that payers genuinely care clinician availability and time to appointment licensure coverage, especially under PSYPACT or ASWB compact for these multi state telebehavioral health delivery models Measurement based infrastructure Outcome data HEDIS Quality performance capscores if you can demonstrate that your organization closes gaps in care that the payer is being measured on and you can show that data that changes the conversation from what rate will you accept to what does this partnership accomplish for the both of us?
Know your value proposition before you negotiate. Dimension 3 Operational alignment is chronically underweight and it is where margin disappears quietly over time. Contracting with a payer isn't just an agreement about reimbursement. It's an agreement to operate inside their administrative infrastructure.
That means their prior authorization processes. And you need to know the volume of services that will require prior auth, right? And whether that process is electronic, manual or what the the parameters are. Because the staffing implications are very different.
It means their credentialing and re credentialing cycles are going to be needing to be paid attention to. It means specific requirements around clearinghouses, benefit managers and third party arrangements. So it goes further and further in operational alignment. So before you sign, map the operational requirements against your existing workflows.
What do you already have? What would you need to buy or build? What cultural cost of Adapting to their process would be. And are there real costs that don't show up in the fee schedule?
These are the questions I want you to think about. Dimension 4 Payer's Past Performance Talk to your peers seriously. A contract is only as good as the payer's claims adjudication practices. And that information is not in the contract itself.
You want to understand how accurately do they pay on first submission? What are the dispute resolution timelines? How do they handle audits? What does the appeal process look like in practice?
Not on paper. A payer with favorable rate sheet who systematically underpays or delays is worse than a payer with a lower rate who processes cleanly and quickly. Actual collected revenue, not billed or contracted revenue, is what pays your overhead. So you want to be careful of that.
Dimension five is physician profiling and measurement programs. This is important. This one surprises people when they first encounter it. A lot of payers operate cost and quality profiling programs that rank or tier the physicians based on their performance data.
And those tiers aren't just internal. They often affect patient cost sharing. A physician in a preferred tier might be subject to lower patient copays, which is a real steerage mechanism. It really does drive volume.
Patients choose lower out of pocket costs. So before you sign, understand what metrics does this payer use to profile physicians? How are they? How are these results reported?
And does it have any dispute resolution mechanism? Is there a dispute process? Does it have any teeth? And how might your historical data position you for a conversation like this?
And a side shout out. Especially important for behavioral health, where utilization patterns and measurement methodologies are still evolving, are not always well suited to the nature of the care that's being delivered. So you as a provider have additional burden to make sure that you're aligning operationally and that you're identifying physician profiling and measurement programs at the get go. Dimension six is data sharing requirements.
So read page 31 of the contract. Actually read it. As value based arrangements have expanded, payer contracts increasingly include provisions requiring data access. So this is clinical data encounter data outcomes measures.
And there is the fhir, FHIR based interoperability push that added another layer of complexity. Of course. And in behavioral health you have a specific overlay of what's called 42 CFR Code of Federal Regulation Part 2 that governs substance use disorder records and creates real constraints on what could be shared with whom and under what conditions. The intersection of payer data sharing requirements and HIPAA and 42 CFR Part 2 is not a hypothetical risk.
You guys this is real compliance exposure that behavioral health operators need to assess carefully before agreeing to data sharing terms and separately evaluate the privacy and security posture of any data sharing agreement. Where does the data go? Who has access? What are your obligations if there's a breach?
Identify the answers to these questions. Now let me spend a few minutes on the out of network alternative because I want to be honest with you. I want to be honest about what it does and what it doesn't offer. Some practices stay out of network intentionally, particularly in certain specialty markets where the practice can command premium rates on a self pay or direct pay basis.
This can be a viable model. I'm not dismissing it, but you need to. But you need an honest accounting of the trade offs. How to network means payment at what's called ucr, usual and customary rates, not your bill charges and not in network contracted rates.
It means limits on what your patients can actually recover from their own plans. It means a collection burden that falls on your practice and the staff, time and friction that comes with that. And it also means operating in an increasingly complex regulatory environment. Right.
The no Surprises act materially changed out of network landscape, particularly for behavioral health providers in certain care settings. Understanding where your exposure sits under that framework before you assume out of network is a clean alternative. And that is essential. Okay.
For most behavioral health operators who are scaling. We're trying to serve large populations across multiple markets. Add a network with major pairs is not a growth strategy, it's a constraint. The question isn't to whether to join payer networks, the question is how to do it.
Well, let me bring this back to the practical takeaway. The practices that negotiate the best payer contracts, and more importantly, the ones that are still satisfied with those contracts two years later, are the ones who came in with the clarity on all six of these dimensions before they sat down at the table. They knew their market access reality. They knew their value proposition and could articulate it with data.
They'd map out the operational requirements and cost at the alignment network, the alignment work they'd done, diligence on the payer's track record, they understood the profiling program and where they'd likely be landing within that schema. And they'd read the data sharing terms carefully. The preparation changes, what you ask for, what you're willing to accept and when Walking away is the right call. One more thing.
If a contract involves significant value based payment terms, risk sharing arrangements or complex data provisions, get an experienced healthcare counsel involved in the review. Not because the contract is inherently dangerous, but because the nuances in those provisions compound over time, and the cost of getting it right upfront is much lower than the cost of unwinding a bad arrangement later. Payer contracting is the beginning of an operational relationship, not the end of a negotiation.
Treat it that way. Well, that's a wrap on today's episode. If this was useful, share it with an operator or administrator who's navigating a contracting decision right now. This is exactly the kind of thing that's hard to find, clearly laid out in one place.
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