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Two Tall Guys Talking Sales

Hosted by Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey

"Two Tall Guys Talking Sales," where Sean O'Shaughnessey and Kevin Lawson discuss a single sales topic. Kevin and Sean together have about 60 years of experience in professional selling.

213 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-11-03 · ~16 min/episode

Rank

#4141

Substance

57.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Sales rank

#168 of 279

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Across the index

#4141 of 6219

Substance

Top 67%

outscores 33% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Two Tall Guys Talking Sales ranks #4141 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 57.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Both hosts are working sales consultants with active client rosters, giving them legitimate practitioner credibility. However, they are SMB-focused coaches rather than executives who have personally scaled large sales organizations, and they host their own show, which slightly inflates their platform relative to their demonstrated seniority.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

12.0 / 20

The episode delivers a few useful operational points - particularly the CEO planning failure exception as the only legitimate grounds for quota reset - but the runtime is diluted by sports analogies, repetition, and generic advice about prospecting and calendar color-coding. Insight-per-minute rate is low for a 20-minute episode.

“if you thought something was going to happen and you put it into your plan that you were going to buy a new company or a product was going to come out onto the market and you were going to be able to sell that product this year and that product didn't materialize for reasons, not because of the sales team. That means you made a mistake in your plan at the CEO level.”

“plan for 120% of the goal. Because if you miss 5, 10, 15%, you still plan to exceed goal”

Originality

11.0 / 20

The core thesis - don't lower quotas mid-year - is conventional wisdom, and the supporting content recycles familiar sales-coaching tropes. The CEO-accountability-vs-sales-execution distinction is the one genuinely non-obvious framing, but it is not developed into a rigorous framework.

“the net didn't get bigger, the net didn't get smaller. He didn't get to put two goalies inside the net. None of that stuff happened. You just didn't get the ball on the net.”

“Microsoft says PTEP, uh, plan to exceed plan”

Guest Caliber

14.0 / 20

Both hosts are working sales consultants with active client rosters, giving them legitimate practitioner credibility. However, they are SMB-focused coaches rather than executives who have personally scaled large sales organizations, and they host their own show, which slightly inflates their platform relative to their demonstrated seniority.

“Some of my clients, and this is not a best practice, it's just reality of where they're at, did not set goals. At the beginning of the year.”

“One salesperson said, uh, I look at the spreadsheet that the controller sends me before he cuts my check, and I go, that must be my comp plan.”

Specificity & Evidence

9.0 / 20

The episode is almost entirely abstract advice and hypothetical scenarios. The only named company reference is a passing Microsoft PTEP mention, and qualification methodologies (MEDDIC, BANT) are namedropped without illustration. No revenue figures, conversion rates, client outcomes, or concrete timelines are offered.

“Microsoft says PTEP, uh, plan to exceed plan”

“whether it's med pick, Bant Spice, Y Y Ah Y There's tons of qualification methodologies out there”

Conversational Craft

11.0 / 20

The co-host format produces mostly sequential agreement rather than genuine interrogation; the one substantive pushback - Sean carving out the CEO planning-failure exception to Kevin's hard 'never reset' rule - is the episode's best moment of craft, but it is not pressed further or stress-tested with examples.

“I, uh, completely agree with everything you said with one small. I don't believe you should reset your goal...Except for when you acknowledge as a leader of the company that you didn't know what you were doing.”

“I really like this, and I think I want to go deeper on this because I think the biggest value this community can get from us is, you know, how would we solve that problem?”

Standout episodes

  • Should Sales Leaders Reset Quotas at Midyear

    2026-06-30

    57

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Should Sales Leaders Reset Quotas at Midyear

    2026-06-30 · 20 min

    57 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Two Tall Guys Talking Sales's substance score?
Two Tall Guys Talking Sales scores 57.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #4141 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 33% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #168 of 279 in Sales. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Two Tall Guys Talking Sales worth listening to?
Two Tall Guys Talking Sales is ranked on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 57.0/100. See the five-dimension breakdown above to judge whether it fits what you're after.
Who hosts Two Tall Guys Talking Sales?
Two Tall Guys Talking Sales is hosted by Kevin Lawson and Sean O'Shaughnessey.
How often does Two Tall Guys Talking Sales publish?
Two Tall Guys Talking Sales publishes weekly, has 213 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-11-03.
Which Two Tall Guys Talking Sales episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Should Sales Leaders Reset Quotas at Midyear" (57/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

MicrosoftThink EOsFocal PointAction CoachB2B Sales Lab

Guests who've appeared

Kevin LawsonSean O'Shaughnessy

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Sales ProspectingMEDDICTime management and calendar blockingQuota reset decisionsPipeline qualificationBANTSPICEDelegation and prioritizationDeal disqualificationThink tanks and roundtable organizations

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