S4 Eps 14: Charles and Erica Rose Sanders

Peter Taff: Welcome back to another edition of the Dirty Ver podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Peter Taff, joined as always by co host Kyle Herbert.

Kyle Herbert: Thanks for having me.

Peter Taff: Super excited. And other co hosts, not in any order other than alphabetical. Bill Ogden, Phil's ordering. Thank you.

Kyle Herbert: Thank you.

Peter Taff: O comes after H. We are joined by probably one of the most popular, uh, guests. Pair of guests we've had in our 150plus episode.

Chuck Sanders: Oh, wow.

Peter Taff: Really? Yeah.

Co-host: Y' all guys got a lot of friends, cuz or friends and family. Because Yalls episode and clips played way better than a lot of other ones.

Peter Taff: Yeah. So we've got Erica Rose and Chuck Sanders of the Rose Sanders Law Firm.

Kyle Herbert: Welcome back.

Co-host: And I was welcome.

Peter Taff: Yeah, I was.

Co-host: Thanks for having me.

Kyle Herbert: Our pleasure.

Co-host: Yes, for having us.

Peter Taff: The, uh, the website is rosesanderslaw.com. yes. Headquartered here in Houston, Texas, but with offices all over the state. And now in Los Angeles, California, effective, which. When was the California office open?

Erica Rose Sanders: A couple months back, I would say. Like, we, we came up with a plan around, um, Christmas time when we were there and you were out to dinner with Galen and then we made it.

Chuck Sanders: No, what happened is I was eating. I was eating dinner on, like in Santa Monica, and I was complaining. I'm like, you know, I would. It might be worth taking the bar here eventually, but the policy limits is so low, it's not even worth my time.

Co-host: Well, their policy's 20.

Chuck Sanders: At the time it was, uh, it used to be like 5:15 or 15:30 or something really low. And I was someone how pathetic that was. And then some plaintiff's lawyers, like, excuse me, I just wanted you to know that they raised it to 30, 60, like Texas. And I was like, oh, yeah. So you're basically telling me that out of nowhere, you all just decided you're going to make more money, they're going to make you all more money on every case. He's like, yeah, man. I'm like, okay, this is an idea.

Peter Taff: Do they have high pip or how do they.

Co-host: Yeah, I think it's the exclusive pip. So pip pays out first. Yeah. And then you exhaust that.

Peter Taff: Uh, I just mediated a case. New Jersey has $250,000 PIT.

Co-host: I believe Minnesota does too.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Chuck Sanders: It's funny because all our cases in California have happened to Texas and people live there. So I haven't handled that pip yet. But it's so it's just like Florida. So you have to exhaust the pip. And then. And yeah, what is the same rules. You have to go to the doctor within 14 days. And that, like, extends it because in Florida, it's like 2500 after the doctor. You go to the doctor and the doctor says it's emergency medical condition. Then it goes to 14. Then once you exhaust that, then the lop.

Co-host: And then you could then, no, no more lop. They did away with that. They had a bad. Uh, California.

Chuck Sanders: No.

Co-host: Florida.

Chuck Sanders: Did they do it with that? Well, everything they try in Florida, they always try to figure out a way

Kyle Herbert: to, like, make things horrible for.

Chuck Sanders: But then the lawyers are smart enough they figure out a way. Like when they first made, like, pip, like this. This PIP thing. So what did the lawyers do? They all started individual PIP collection departments to help the lawyers, to help doctors get PIP money back from these, from the insurance company. So whatever you do in Florida, the lawyers are going to still figure out a way around it.

Co-host: Had an office there for a while. And it's Florida's kind of like Texas Junior when it comes to that. Sometimes, every once in a while, they'll come up with something and we'll adopt it. But for the most part, Texas adopts it, and Florida's like, we got to do that.

Kyle Herbert: Fascinating. Yeah. Uh, how much time do you guys spend in California as opposed to Texas?

Erica Rose Sanders: A majority of our time is here, but at the same, because the kids are in school here. But we go there for, like, pretty much every school break. We have family out there, including the lawyer that works with us at our firm's family. Um, and we, of course, love going to Disneyland. Amanda wanted me to say that, but we do. Um, and I lived there a long time, so I just love to see all my friends. And it's just. It's easy to take little trips from la, like going to Orange county and things like that.

Kyle Herbert: How often do you guys go to Disney?

Erica Rose Sanders: Every time. Right, babe?

Chuck Sanders: After the last time. So the display, what happened is, like. So we booked too many tickets. So I see that. I see my credit card has, like a 2000 $3600 charge for the hotel, and then that gets us a crappy hotel.

Kyle Herbert: Where are you staying?

Erica Rose Sanders: This data.

Chuck Sanders: Uh, and then it's still. Then we went that night, and it still wasn't good enough. We did not pay the extra $1800 to be able to even have the ability to act, actually go on a ride.

Erica Rose Sanders: No, you get the fetch pass 400 extra person. We upgraded it. The next day. We learned our lesson. Uh, right.

Kyle Herbert: I don't want to both answer at the same time. I want Chuck to go first and then Erica. Favorite Disney I just went to Disney last summer for the first time.

Co-host: World or lounge?

Kyle Herbert: What's your favorite R at? Ah, Disneyland. Not Disney World at Disneyland.

Chuck Sanders: That's a good question.

Kyle Herbert: M. Probably the Teacups.

Chuck Sanders: No. Either the Haunted Castle, because I still always love that.

Co-host: Or

Chuck Sanders: there's a roller coaster that's in Disneyland, but it's not Disneyland.

Kyle Herbert: It's in the California California Adventure.

Chuck Sanders: It's pretty awesome. It's a loops. The big roller. Yeah, the big roller coaster.

Kyle Herbert: All right, Erica.

Erica Rose Sanders: Well, I also love Haunted Mansion and then I also really think Small World is super cute. And I love Pirates of the Caribbean, so I'm sad it's temporarily cloned.

Kyle Herbert: You almost can't beat Pirates of the Caribbean. Uh, I don't know if you guys have spent any time on the Indiana Jones ride, but it was. It is legit awesome.

Erica Rose Sanders: Peters and Disney.

Peter Taff: Yeah, me and my wife went to Disney World after the cheese. Uh, at Bo.

Chuck Sanders: Are you one of those Disney psychopathic people?

Peter Taff: Not psychopath, but I'm.

Co-host: Yeah, if you have to say that at the beginning I wasn't.

Peter Taff: If my wife didn't. Didn't reign me in, I would go there a lot more.

Chuck Sanders: Are you a member of like, oh, my so called secret clubs?

Kyle Herbert: How did I not know?

Co-host: Yes, I heard about this.

Chuck Sanders: It's like, it's like if you go to Disney enough and you pay him like something exuberant. Amount. Amount, like 100, $200,000 a year.

Co-host: A year.

Chuck Sanders: You go and have these special lounges that are like that lack of the lap of luxury in the middle of Disney World. And.

Co-host: Okay, private chefs, real chefs.

Peter Taff: Have y' all ever done the VIP tour?

Erica Rose Sanders: We didn't.

Co-host: Uh, well, tell us about it, Pete.

Peter Taff: I've never done it.

Erica Rose Sanders: We didn't only because our kids didn't want to. They said they didn't want a random person joining us. And if you do like the best genie pass, you can skip the. You can, you know, the lighting pass. You don't really need to once you know your way around. But we gave, uh, we. We went on my birthday this year, so I was like, we can get a tour if you guys want. But the kids were like, no, we don't want another person coming around with us.

Kyle Herbert: Are you guys Dole Whip people True?

Peter Taff: Um, why not?

Kyle Herbert: When I was there, we were up to like four or five of those a day.

Co-host: What is that? Um, I haven't been since I was one and a half years old.

Kyle Herbert: I can say that me and my daughter survived almost exclusively on Dole Whip and the fried beignets in. In the New Orleans place.

Co-host: You thought that explanation was going to

Kyle Herbert: clear it up for me.

Erica Rose Sanders: Go with this. It's kind of like frozen yogurt.

Kyle Herbert: Like frozen yogurt. Meatful milkshake.

Co-host: Yeah, that sounds delicious.

Peter Taff: It's uh, it's incredible. You get so many steps in though when you're there. So.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, that's the thing.

Co-host: You pay how many steps you average per time, Pete?

Peter Taff: Probably 20 plus.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, it's actually a really good workout if you think about it.

Kyle Herbert: Mhm.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Co-host: That's because you're walking 20,000. Golly.

Chuck Sanders: That's like.

Co-host: Yeah, like that's like nine miles.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, that's a ton.

Peter Taff: Um, yeah.

Co-host: So £2,000.

Peter Taff: Amanda, we're gonna do a uh, Dirty Verdict. Uh, Disney M. Would you say. Amanda, would you do Disney World or Land?

Co-host: No, we're going to Singapore. That's the one you go to here.

Kyle Herbert: Is Euro Disney still open?

Co-host: No, I don't believe so. But the one in Singapore is supposed to be the best with the smallest lines. And it's cheaper to go there than it is to go to Orlando.

Kyle Herbert: I always thought the weather at Disney Land, uh, is way better.

Co-host: And if you're in New state. Wait, Southern California is better than Florida?

Kyle Herbert: Yeah. We were hot. I know, right?

Co-host: That's crazy swamp.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, I mean, what. I went to Disney World like twice as a kid and I remember being like. After a couple hours I was like, just take me to the hall of Presidents so I can be miserable alone in air conditioning.

Co-host: That's Kyle's way of flexing his affluent childhood on us.

Kyle Herbert: Okay, it's not my fault you were too poor in Pasadena to go any place.

Co-host: Hey, we were having a great time at the Guadalupe river in a pop up camper.

Kyle Herbert: What's that? That smell? That's carcinogens.

Peter Taff: Mhm. Yeah, the Schlier bond works just fine for. Yeah, yeah, the bond. Are. Do you all have any plans to do any other offices besides LA in California?

Co-host: Aspen's got to be next. Look at Chuck.

Erica Rose Sanders: My brother's already doing Aspen. I feel like, I don't know, maybe other parts.

Chuck Sanders: Uh, we were basically. We're a car. Basically a car accident law firm. Boo. And Aspen is going to call me after a car wreck. They're so rich.

Co-host: They go, you need to talk to Mark Diesen because all the DWIs go to him apparently.

Chuck Sanders: And that's a completely different thing.

Co-host: But I don't know, I don't know if you open that office for the cases.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah, yeah.

Co-host: I think you open it for the.

Chuck Sanders: I'm sure there's. I'm sure there's great.

Co-host: I'm sure shopping in ski.

Chuck Sanders: So there's a whole roster of pain management positions in Aspen for me to choose from.

Co-host: Yeah, you'd be surprised.

Kyle Herbert: Recreational pain management.

Peter Taff: Okay, so no Aspen, but any other spots you're thinking of Palm Springs.

Co-host: Seems like every time you guys open

Peter Taff: doors would be good.

Erica Rose Sanders: Palm, um.

Peter Taff: Springs.

Co-host: Palm Springs.

Erica Rose Sanders: Like, a lot of my friends live there now, um, and have second houses there. Ah. Yeah.

Co-host: Uh, it feels like there's. That's one place that's still small town, big city vibe. Like it's got everything a big city has, but it's very, very communal.

Erica Rose Sanders: And it's still.

Co-host: It's no Waco. It is not Waco. That is true.

Peter Taff: Is Erica. Is that so for the L. A people, do they spend a. Like, is it a weekend deal at Palm Springs or is it. Do they go out there?

Erica Rose Sanders: My friends, um, except the summer start, like, spending more and more time out there. It feels like more like they get a, um, house there. And then before they know it, they're, like, spending the majority of their time there. But it does get really hot in the summer, so then they come back to L. A.

Kyle Herbert: Can I ask the geographic question about la? I've been there once or twice, and my daughters love the beach.

Co-host: It's all the way to the left on the map.

Kyle Herbert: Is there any place you can go on the Pacific Ocean that is not freezing cold?

Chuck Sanders: Um, I mean, go. If you go south of San Diego in the summer, you could get in the water.

Co-host: Okay, yeah, go to Toda Santos. It's on the Baja Peninsula.

Chuck Sanders: Summer, you could get in the water.

Kyle Herbert: Because we tried to swim at Newport Beach. Not we.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, no, they, um. Laguna Ah. Beach. We went there in April and the kids were still swimming in the water and the west.

Kyle Herbert: But you had their nerve. And they removed surgically so they could do that.

Co-host: The best massage in the world is in Laguna beach at the Montage.

Kyle Herbert: My doctors are not getting massages at hotels at this point. Maybe soon, Bill.

Co-host: Depends. On what? It depends on who they marry.

Kyle Herbert: Let's talk about something else.

Peter Taff: Yeah. Any other.

Erica Rose Sanders: Any.

Peter Taff: So, Eric and Chuck, last time we were talking about different cases y' all are in. And Chuck, you said y' all doing a lot of car wrecks. Any. Any kind of cool cases that you're working on that. That you, I, uh, don't know, update on?

Chuck Sanders: I mean, anything that's like that really, really, really cool. That's like blow your mind. Yeah, it's just the typical stuff.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, we shall know the case, the

Chuck Sanders: children's courtyard, I mean, but that's not really anything special.

Peter Taff: You were, you had that, you had a case with Andrew Cobos that y' all had a nice result on, right?

Chuck Sanders: Yeah, yeah, it was a, it was a children's bus crash. So basically she was a daycare center. So you drop your kids off at point a. A daycare center, and they're in charge of busing your kids to the school and picking them up, and then you pick them up at that daycare. Long story short, there was a, there was a bad crash. Uh, they lied about it to the Department of Health and Children's cert, whatever that department is.

Peter Taff: Mhm.

Chuck Sanders: They, she increased her speed from 37 to 40 and then we knew she was being text. It turns out she was being text by the owner.

Co-host: Oh, shit.

Chuck Sanders: It was an iceberg of back.

Co-host: Good stuff, good facts.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah.

Co-host: Um, but they said I was good.

Peter Taff: But otherwise just, I mean, y' all are obviously social media.

Co-host: Erica, who do y' all structure with for something like that?

Chuck Sanders: What do you buy?

Peter Taff: Structure? Who?

Co-host: Cuz, who's doing all the minor structures for this?

Erica Rose Sanders: Like Andrew Cobo?

Co-host: Oh, he just handled it all.

Chuck Sanders: I think he get. I think he gives it to some company that.

Co-host: Okay. Yeah. I'm just curious. A structured settlement. We had somebody last time that, that did that, so I'm just curious.

Peter Taff: So, yeah, Erica, social media wise, is it Erica Rose at Erica the Rose? Okay.

Chuck Sanders: We need to make some content because I haven't made any videos in a while.

Peter Taff: I just feel like.

Co-host: Give me, give me a call, Chuck. I'll go make contacts and a whole lighting system.

Peter Taff: No, I feel like, I feel like I've seen you a ton.

Co-host: I've been working on my, I've been working on my thirst trap face.

Chuck Sanders: This is the last time I, I actually made a funny video. It's been a while.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, but we could do that now. This could be our funny video. Knock knock.

Peter Taff: No, but I've seen you like on a podcast or something or an interview, talking about.

Chuck Sanders: I was talking. So what? I'm not going to see the name.

Co-host: Oh, I saw that too.

Chuck Sanders: I'm not gonna say the name of the lawyer, but we have an NDL. It's the, uh, the Hurricane MDL. And we made it past our 91Amotion. But one of the lawyers, I'm not going to say his name, but he was a big time advertiser in the city and it's a real real disgusting slogan.

Co-host: M. When you need a lawyer hire a uh.

Chuck Sanders: Yes. So he used AI to fought in response back to his 91Amotion. He elucidated such case law that the defense from um Shipley Snow and Vincent Elkins spend about an hour with slides going through every breaking apart his 30 page pleading.

Co-host: Who was it from? Do you know who it was it

Chuck Sanders: Shibley, Amy, uh, Snell.

Co-host: Okay. Aaron. I've done dealt with Aaron a lot.

Chuck Sanders: So they spent. I mean and he didn't even show up. This lawyer said young associate to argue it that had been licensed like a month.

Kyle Herbert: What was your involvement with this were

Chuck Sanders: I was just watching.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh you just watch budding out uh our own cases.

Chuck Sanders: I was actually so so then like we. Because you know when you file it all the cases we could see all the filings. So like you know they filed for sanctions against this lawyer and he hasn't shown up yet. And last time we were there the judge was like it'd be nice if Mr. So and so would grace us with his presence. And they have a motion for sanctions for.

Erica Rose Sanders: I think around you're talking so much about this other person.

Co-host: I like it.

Chuck Sanders: No, it fires me up Chuck because it came up. He asked me about a video that I was on. I was talking about the guy hallucinated A.I.

Erica Rose Sanders: okay.

Kyle Herbert: He's got.

Co-host: He's got. I feel like I haven't heard from him in a while. I know he got into trouble money for.

Chuck Sanders: For using Chad GPT on his bleeding Peter.

Co-host: Do you know what happened to him?

Kyle Herbert: A lot of people are going to kill fat.

Peter Taff: No but everyone, everyone's doing that. I mean even huge law Sullivan and Cromwell was admonished for doing that. That's like the. The widest of white shoe firm.

Co-host: Uh we. We have very strict policies for the AI usage like you got. You use it because it can help you speed things up like formatting, outlining or just outlining your motion in the most concise way and clear way. But when it comes I dare you to try that. Uh because that's the quickest way to get fired at our firm.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Kyle Herbert: We don't have computers at Herbert Law firm so no problemo.

Co-host: Now it's a lot of papyrus.

Peter Taff: You can.

Kyle Herbert: You can look it up on your phone but we haven't figured out how to translate that into word so we're fine.

Chuck Sanders: I found an AI app called uh for lawyers called Open Case.

Co-host: Open Case.

Kyle Herbert: Tell us I.

Chuck Sanders: You. I haven't submitted anything but like for. For out of nowhere I was like, draft me a, uh, uh, anti slap motion under the Texan Citizen Participation act, and it spits something out. And I checked some sites and they were right. So we, I might be onto something there.

Co-host: Next time you get one of those, call me and we'll work together. I got. Already got all that case law done.

Peter Taff: Yeah, they do a lot of that. Right?

Co-host: You do a lot of defamation work now?

Chuck Sanders: Yeah, we still do. Yeah, every once in a while. I mean, I've only gotten. I've only gotten to defend them to fund it once.

Co-host: Uh, you've only gotten the what?

Chuck Sanders: Only defend. I've only defended them. I've only. I think I've had one person that's actually needed me to defend them. You know, they can actually afford it. But most of the time we just send. I just send out defamation mitigation letters to people. And right now I'm, um, Everyone's getting really angry with me because I'm telling them that they don't have it, that it's not defamation.

Co-host: Correct. No, I get it out of me,

Chuck Sanders: they get very mad and they want that money for their console back.

Co-host: On that note, we just got a, we got a ruling recently on, uh, the Elon or. Yeah, no, on the Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom case. Yeah. And we, we beat their attempt at an anti slap. And so here we represent Gavin. Yeah, he hired us, I don't know, six months ago.

Peter Taff: And the allegation bill is that Fox News ran a store represented that he had a phone call with President Trump.

Co-host: President Trump said he had a phone call with Gavin the day before the National Guard was. Was given authority to go into California to support ice. And Fox News ran a story that, to be fair, President Trump did say, um, that he had a call with him the day before, but then like the White House produced Fox News some like call logs and like all you do is look at the top right corner and see the dates to know that these were weeks before that and they weren't what they were saying it was. And so, yeah, Gavin hired Mark Bankson and myself and uh, yeah, we beat the anti slap. It came back down. And so, yeah. Jesse Waters, get ready for a deposition chair.

Erica Rose Sanders: That's exciting.

Chuck Sanders: Oh, so you beat the anti.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Co-host: Right. Yeah, I don't. We. So we're strictly plaintiff side on the defamation case? Well, actually, no, we are representing an immigration firm right now, uh, against another immigration firm for some alleged things that one or both or. Excuse me, that the, the other side may or may not have done to Certain clients.

Chuck Sanders: And so we could get real companies, real defamation. I mean, all we get are random people, you know, that. That are reaching out on the. That find us online that are getting.

Co-host: Yeah.

Chuck Sanders: That somebody is posting a picture that the average person couldn't even see the defamation. And I'm, um. You know, so we don't really get like, so professional people.

Co-host: My advice on that is take a sexy one that you get, even if it's not collectible, go light it up. I mean, that's. Ultimately, that's what we did with the Alex Jones case. Like, we didn't think he was going to have any money, and it ended up. He does. We're. It's been seven, eight years and we're about to get it out of bankruptcy. But that put us on the map. And then now we have a couple against. Elon Musk and Gavin Newsom called us.

Chuck Sanders: So, like, it.

Co-host: It spirals that way. But, like, you're right, it can get the. The number of calls we get and have to say no to people is 20 to 1 on cases that are actually.

Kyle Herbert: Is there a reason why Onion Infowars has not invited the dirty verdict on their show yet?

Co-host: For the first time ever on this show, I have to say I can't talk about that.

Chuck Sanders: What? Are you joking me?

Co-host: Can't talk about that one.

Kyle Herbert: Okay. If you're listening Infowars.

Co-host: Tim, if you're listening to Kyle.

Kyle Herbert: The Onion. The Onion. Infowars. I would.

Co-host: Tim Heidegger.

Kyle Herbert: I. It's okay if you don't invite Bill, but the rest of us. Hey, Chug.

Chuck Sanders: Eric.

Co-host: Yeah, that's Austin.

Chuck Sanders: We'd love to be.

Peter Taff: I'm in Austin half my time.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, let's do it.

Peter Taff: Erica, Chuck, y'.

Erica Rose Sanders: All.

Peter Taff: Y' all be down, right? To go on the.

Kyle Herbert: It's on the way to la. Go where?

Co-host: So Infowars was a conspiracy theorist website, and we put him into bankruptcy and out of the bankruptcy, the parody news group, the Onion Bottom. And now they're like a super liberal make fun of Alex Jones take of that. And they own all of it. And it's. It's. It's been happening the last couple of weeks.

Kyle Herbert: Sounds like you're talking about it right now, Bill.

Co-host: I. I can talk about that. I cannot talk. I cannot talk about, um, uh, anything to do with my fur.

Kyle Herbert: Can you talk about why my invitation and Peters, to be honest, has been lost in the mail? Apparently. Do you have inside information about that?

Co-host: I don't have any. I. I can neither confirm nor deny that I'll Give you the Condoleezza Rice answer.

Peter Taff: That's all right.

Kyle Herbert: Soft.

Peter Taff: Erica, what kind of stuff are. Are you working on? What are you focused on? What's in the future for you?

Erica Rose Sanders: Um, well, aside from just like legal work, I've been doing a lot more kind of like legal advocacy and getting actually paid to do it. So was that just raising awareness? There's something right now that a lot of parents are concerned about. It's called like Spicy Grok and nudification. Have you guys heard about it?

Co-host: Yeah. Where the kids are, teenagers are putting their, their crushes faces on pornography. Is that what that was?

Kyle Herbert: A trap and you just walked right into it?

Co-host: Yeah, no, no, I've got. We have one. We have a very, uh.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, he's just kidding.

Peter Taff: Billy knows that from research and take a case.

Erica Rose Sanders: Like a lot of parents need to get worried about this. Like, I mean, it might not happen until they're teens, but I'm worthy.

Kyle Herbert: We spoke over you. Could you say what it is again? Because I didn't.

Co-host: Spicy Grok.

Kyle Herbert: Spicy Grok.

Co-host: Grok is the AI version of X.com used to be Twitter, and Grok is their AI platform. And spicy Grok would be asking Grok to take a picture of your ninth grade classmate, uh, and put it onto the body of a full grown adult who's probably performing some sort of art or artistic expression. And in doing so, have you or have you not created child pornography? There's a lot of. And, and the problem is like the law is behind, is, is really behind the, the technology. And so it's like it's illegal to possess, it's illegal to distribute, and it's illegal to produce child pornography. But AI is doing it. So who's the.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah.

Kyle Herbert: Can I ask the dumb question?

Co-host: Always, Kyle. You do it all the time.

Kyle Herbert: Is it child pornography?

Co-host: Look at Kyle, he's like, can I do it? No.

Kyle Herbert: And it sounds like, I mean, it's, it's fake, right? It's a fake image. It's not real.

Co-host: It's a problem. It's a, it's a problem in the law. And there's a lot. I mean, there's a lot of states tackling this very head on, including Texas, that are passing statutes. They're usually typically flowing through the revenge porn statute that they already have in place where you consensually share an image of yourself to your boyfriend or girlfriend and then y' all didn't work out and then they go spread it to

Kyle Herbert: the, uh, tail the other time.

Peter Taff: Right?

Co-host: Jesus Christ.

Peter Taff: How are you Advocating.

Erica Rose Sanders: So I'm advocating just for, like, Big Tab to be kind of held responsible. Because for sure, it's not really fair for someone like Elon Musk to roll out this feature and then say, oh, don't worry, I'm only offering it, you know, on a subscription basis. Like, they have to pay for it, but then kind of like don't. They don't have liability when it does cross a boundary. And this hasn't happened to anyone. Me now personally, but it has happened where they have, you know, done it to celebrities, but also to people that are underage. And sometimes the AI is so realistic. Oh, yeah, These teenagers, you know, they're facing a lot of humiliation.

Kyle Herbert: And any opinions expressed about Elon Musk or any of his companies are that of the author and not of the dirty verdict. Corporately correct?

Chuck Sanders: No, no, no.

Co-host: We want it to flow through the llc. It doesn't have any money yet.

Erica Rose Sanders: We all do.

Peter Taff: No, it's fine.

Kyle Herbert: It's now not to, um. How did you get involved with these folks?

Erica Rose Sanders: So I got involved with them, um, actually through my manager. But, uh, they had me do a post a while back, like a paid one on Instagram about this, and then now they're wanting me. I've been going. It's just zooming, so it's pretty easy. But popping up in different cities, like, educating people about it, because they specifically wanted someone that is an attorney and a parent, obviously, that would actually care about this issue in real life. Because I do have children, and I wasn't even really aware of it, to be honest, until they made me aware of it like, a couple months ago. And I think it's, like, important that we're staying ahead of the curve. There was a state where legislature almost passed, I believe it was Arkansas, and it was about to get passed, and then, like, suddenly it just kind of, like, disappeared. Um, like, it. So, yeah, Big tech is really powerful, and it's going to be a lot of obstacles.

Co-host: Big tech's a problem. I mean, the stock market technically right now is propped up by four big tech companies.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, uh, it's a problem if you're not involved with it. I mean, you can all say we love it, but it's really, really becoming so powerful. And, um, it's just the sky's the limit of what it's capable of in good ways. Like, we were talking about, you know, helping out with legal stuff, but also in scary ways because it can m. Look so real. There's images of celebrities all the time. Um, I see, like, Every day on Instagram or just things pop up and then people write. I'm, um, like, is this real? Then I'll read the comments and someone will be like, that's A.I. well, that same realistic level of A.I. can take someone and make it look like a nude thing. I mean, the other day, Chuck did something of one of our daughters dancing. And I thought it was really her dancing. And he was like, no, that was an A.I. i used to make her dance to this, like, TikTok thing. Sent it to me when I was at the gym. And I was like, oh, she's so good. So when.

Chuck Sanders: When is AI taken over?

Co-host: We have to pull the plug before it does.

Kyle Herbert: Um, I can give you the answer.

Chuck Sanders: Hold on.

Co-host: I think. I think if it keeps. If it keeps up and it eliminates the jobs, I think it will. I think that the economy will collapse before AI takes over.

Kyle Herbert: I think that we found out the answer to this. It's May.

Peter Taff: Hey, ask. Ask Jackie when it's taking.

Kyle Herbert: No, I was going to. Is it the movie? Isn't there, like a date in, um, Terminator.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah, it happens in 1997.

Co-host: Yeah.

Kyle Herbert: So it already happened. So we hit.

Peter Taff: Yeah, we just don't know.

Chuck Sanders: Skynet became.

Co-host: So we just. 1997 went into a different dimension in 97. And then we went to another one at Y2K and then into my calendar 2012. So we're in, like, fifth or sixth dimension at this point. Yeah, it's a simulation.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah. This is the dumbest timeline, and it's a simulation. I want to go home so scared.

Peter Taff: Okay, so other things y' all are doing. We talked about the shows last time. We don't need to cover that again. But y' all have any intent to do any more media or any kind of entertainment stuff together or solo acts?

Chuck Sanders: Uh, if she ever gets invited on like a big time show, like a housewife show. And I could just be a husband in the background that says the bare minimum. And like, yeah, the aren't going to make me look horrible. I'll go.

Co-host: Nice.

Peter Taff: Okay.

Chuck Sanders: But that would. It would be. Erica would not get like. And we will. Eric would have to get paid.

Kyle Herbert: So nothing in the hopper right now that you can talk to us about now.

Peter Taff: But hold on. Clip that. Make sure and clip that, Josh. And run it, because that's gonna.

Co-host: That right there is gonna get y' all some.

Peter Taff: Whoever produces the Housewives. You need to do this. Trust me.

Co-host: Uh, I bet. I think the Houston, uh, Housewife show would.

Erica Rose Sanders: No, I. I don't think Wife like, type of theme.

Kyle Herbert: Oh, um. My God.

Co-host: I know that they did. They're trying to do, like, a Dallas thing, but I think a Houston's housewife. I think that would get why they're not awesome. Mainly because we know them all. We know we know everyone. And it would be awesome to see they're not.

Peter Taff: They're doing what Dallas.

Erica Rose Sanders: Or also they're doing a show kind of like Hunting Wives. But where is it taking place? In the town. Like, kind of in the hill country.

Co-host: That was in Dripping. Dripping Spring.

Peter Taff: Oh. The second season. Second season of Hunting.

Erica Rose Sanders: But like a reality show version. Yeah, yeah.

Peter Taff: All right. But it. But y' all don't have anything on the.

Erica Rose Sanders: I do. I mean, they're constantly trying to develop shows about attorneys. And right now there's one that it's

Peter Taff: so hard to do.

Erica Rose Sanders: But not here, but in la.

Chuck Sanders: But it's hard because I can picture probably at least four or five times

Erica Rose Sanders: she's even married all the time. And it's every couple of months. It's something project. You know what I'm saying?

Co-host: It's hard with lawyers because it happened. Uh, attorney client privilege is like the CR Is the killer for those.

Erica Rose Sanders: Focus more on, like, lawyers lifestyles. Kind of like the show Married to Madison, if you ever watch.

Co-host: Yeah. Or Thomas. Thomas J. Henry had like, a YouTube series kind of like that.

Erica Rose Sanders: Like, it could show everything up until, like, inside the courtroom. But that, uh, you could also have kind of like fake clients or certain clients. Especially in the entertainment industry. I've had before.

Kyle Herbert: I was gonna say, have you ever represented someone who was on a reality TV show?

Erica Rose Sanders: I mean, I'm trying to think. I have. Uh, yeah, I do. I have a client that was on a show on TLC called Smothered. It wasn't like a really big deal.

Co-host: You should pitch your own show where it's a lawyer reality show. But y'.

Chuck Sanders: All.

Co-host: M. It's the lawyers moot mock trialing their case before trial. But you get all the inside scoop because you still get it. You just don't have to worry about. You know, the ethics bar.

Peter Taff: Don Worley had something similar to that. It had, um, a couple.

Co-host: Was it. I didn't know what I. I don't know what that show. I know he had a show. I just didn't know what it was. I never saw it.

Kyle Herbert: Don't really been putting some stuff out on social media that he's a star that I think is intended to be, like, sarcastic and funny. It's like him, like, flirting with girls in Random places in strange ways. And there's a lot of people who

Chuck Sanders: are like, I don't know.

Kyle Herbert: This seems real. And I'm like, I don't. I hope.

Co-host: No, I think it's. I thought it was just him playing his character for the movie that they're making or putting out.

Kyle Herbert: That was my assumption as well.

Co-host: I think that's what it is.

Kyle Herbert: I'm saying several people have shown me this. They're like, who's this creeper?

Co-host: But they don't know who Don is, that he's an actor and an attorney.

Kyle Herbert: And I'm like, no, this is a joke. And they're like, I don't know. It looks pretty creepy to me.

Co-host: Some married lawyer just being an.

Chuck Sanders: Doing a really good job.

Kyle Herbert: Right. If you can tell the fact from

Co-host: fiction, maybe then that's working. Right. We need to have Don on.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Co-host: I didn't even.

Peter Taff: I even thought about any other.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh, something cool happened. Um, my daughter filmed a Christmas movie. I went with her to la. It was actually one of my best friends that was directing it, but she had to audition just because he was the director. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, I'm giving her a part. He. She had to audition. It was a real, like, major motion picture. And, um, it was a lot of fun. We did that in February. It was filming in la. She went to school on set. They have, like, legit tutors. Like, they had to do their three hours of school a day.

Co-host: How long did they film?

Erica Rose Sanders: Um, they filmed for about four weeks, but she was just doing a week of it. And how old is she? She's nine. But it. Yeah. Um, but this Christmas movie will be coming out.

Co-host: What'll it be on?

Kyle Herbert: Let me touch the name.

Erica Rose Sanders: It's gonna be like a movie movie, but the working titles. Not Megan Mistletoe. And it has, um, this little girl, Maya Kalohe. I'm pronouncing her name right, but she was. That was exciting for my daughter because she was the star of the Disney movie, like the live action one, Lilo and Stitch. And they're making a Stitch too. So she's the same age as Han. So of course that's exciting for any kid. Oh, you know, they just thought, this little girl in a movie, whatever. But. And there was some other names that I. People that I recognize. Um, like Nia Vardelos from My Big Fat Brief Wedding. My friend that was the director has always been a fan of her, so that was fun for him. But it was very idyllic to just be on a Movie set. I was like, I could really enjoy this lifestyle with my daughter. Um, and I got her a manager. This was really fate. We were on the plane ride back from la. Not. It was right before we filmed the movie. We were there. I brought her to this other event and my mom was with us, so she was sitting with Holland, that I was sitting behind them. And I couldn't figure out if the person next to me was from Houston or la. Cause she looked like both, kind of. So I asked her and she said, I live in both cities and I'm a talent manager. So we were talking the whole time.

Co-host: What do people like Houston look like?

Erica Rose Sanders: I don't know. She just. She gave off the vibe that she could be like, Houston or la. Kind of like, I feel like about myself.

Co-host: If you had to say Houston or la. Peter, Kyle, me to do this.

Kyle Herbert: Bill.

Erica Rose Sanders: Is that what.

Co-host: Kyle, Houston? Peter?

Erica Rose Sanders: I would say Peter. Austin.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah.

Erica Rose Sanders: Or like. Or Boston Random. Or like East Coast.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah.

Co-host: He does look like he could get racist in traffic.

Erica Rose Sanders: He could give an East Coast.

Kyle Herbert: He was hoping for Orlando, but you

Erica Rose Sanders: know what I'm saying, He gives a nice, like, east coast vibe. And then, um, Ohio. I wouldn't say like Houston. Dallas.

Co-host: Oh, yeah. Maybe Waco as well.

Kyle Herbert: It just said Waco. Are you rotten person. Um, and then Bill, definitely from a campo. Uh, or yell Rio.

Peter Taff: I'd say Chicago for Bill.

Co-host: Chicago. I'll take Chicago. It's just a lot of indoor drinking during the winter.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, I would have said something like. Something Easter block, you know, like Selden Arm.

Co-host: I don't have that.

Erica Rose Sanders: I don't have.

Co-host: Whatever that was.

Peter Taff: I don't have that.

Kyle Herbert: Bosnia. So frankly, is Bosnia.

Co-host: Give me Croatia. I'll take the coast.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah.

Peter Taff: Chuck, how do you feel about the, uh. Uh, your daughter's entering the acting. Acting.

Erica Rose Sanders: She loved it. Dated fashion. You were there with her.

Chuck Sanders: If my other daughter did a fashion week and she was a model, we went to New York.

Kyle Herbert: Oh, wow.

Chuck Sanders: I guess it's okay.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Erica Rose Sanders: You loved it.

Chuck Sanders: It was fun.

Peter Taff: That's their passion. Go for it.

Kyle Herbert: Sure.

Peter Taff: Uh, it seems like that's they're going to fall in kind of somewhat of your footsteps.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah.

Erica Rose Sanders: Ah, that is nicer. Because I have. I know the resources I have the connections from my time. So it was kind of like a beautiful full circle moment for me where it felt like everything I did really made a lot of sense. And it wasn't just random. Like, it wasn't just like, oh, I had my adventures out there. And that was a chapter in the Book that I'm closing. And, you know, that was my first best friend that I made, um, in LA when I was an intern in college at Spyglass Entertainment. Now it's mgm, but he and I were interns together. Of course, he's my gay best friend. But anyways, that we were once roommates together.

Co-host: But we both reach for each other same time. Same time. We both.

Kyle Herbert: Look, Erica, to be fair, he was my best friend before I knew he was gay.

Peter Taff: Erica. There's no way that was gonna get past.

Co-host: We both looked at each other and then reached for each other. Thank you.

Kyle Herbert: Come here, you big galoot.

Co-host: Thank you for my rose. Refresh.

Kyle Herbert: So he's still.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah, he always said glitter.

Chuck Sanders: I can.

Erica Rose Sanders: When we were nice.

Chuck Sanders: Could you refresh me? Let me.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah.

Peter Taff: Chuck. Chuck needs to help.

Erica Rose Sanders: When we were young. Please. His goal was to be a, uh, Hollywood director. And I mean, it might have taken. You know, he's directed smaller projects, but this is his first feature film. And, you know, first I was crying on the set over him, then I'm crying over my daughter. It's like it was a very emotional full circle moment. And it was really just magical because he really never gave up on his dream, unlike me, unlike a lot of people that, you know, gives up on making it in the entertainment world and goes back to their hometowns or whatever. He's from Chicago. His whole family came out, um, to watch, and it was just really special to see that. And it was so wonderful that he was the per. Of all the people I met through my times in la, I would never have known. It would have been his name's Hustle Peter that would give Han, like, her big break. But like I said, she really had to earn it. And at first it was just gonna be like a background part, and then they kept adding to it because she did a great job and she is a natural. Yes. But it was very special for me. Um, it was really one of those really cool moments in life that doesn't really happen that often.

Peter Taff: That's awesome. Yeah. So in film these days, will some producer come up the concept and then hire. Contract hire a director? Or is usually the director part of the creative?

Erica Rose Sanders: It is. And actually a lot of this was financed by big tech also because Peter had. Before he could make it as a director, he's just naturally gifted with tech. And so his name is Peter Harrow, but he designed a feature that was in the game Fortnite. And so he made a lot of connections through that and financing through that. And so, yeah, he didn't write the script. Like, there's writers and then there's producers I met. I mean, this was a full fledged production. It wasn't like he was joking. It wasn't like this other movie he did called wtf. That was kind of like shot in a cabin in the woods. Like, you know, there was like tons of trailers. Like, I'd been involved with productions, but this was like a full fledged movie production. Like, legit. It was really cool. I didn't know what to expect. Um, but it was really amazing.

Peter Taff: It's a lot of Christmas theme.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yes. It was taking place in a town and Megan. Not Megan. Mistletoe. Those are the names of the two of the Alps. But, um, it was taking place in Connecticut.

Co-host: I think we're supposed to call them that.

Peter Taff: But it was filmed in la.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah. So they had to wear sweaters and everything. And it was getting a little warm in the valley, even though it was February story. But, uh, which valley?

Co-host: San Bernardino.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah.

Co-host: Best sushi in the world. Supposed to be in strip centers there.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh, it's. It's true. They do have amazing sushi.

Co-host: I learned that from Zac Efron when he played a DJ in a movie once. Yeah, uh, that's a true story. That was before his, like, facial reconstruction thing.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah, he looks weird now.

Co-host: Yeah, well, he had an. He, like, fell and, like, almost died. He hit his face on his granite countertop and almost died and had to. That's all.

Chuck Sanders: That's how it happened. Because I saw an Internet video trying to say he was taking growth hormone. That's why his face got.

Co-host: No, no, he. He almost. He had, like. Yeah, he had a horrible.

Chuck Sanders: Makes sense why his bone structure is different.

Co-host: Yeah. Everybody's like, oh, what you do to yourself? And he's just up there. Like, I had to. I didn't. I was asleep. Uh, yeah. They were just trying to save my life. In my face.

Peter Taff: Okay, so back to the. So full fledged production, like, big time movie.

Erica Rose Sanders: It was really cool. Uh, it was just really amazing. It will be coming out around Thanksgiving time.

Peter Taff: Good.

Erica Rose Sanders: And I'm just excited.

Kyle Herbert: Maybe we do a screening of it. A Dirty Verdict.

Co-host: We can rent a rooftop downtown. Do one of those rooftop screenings.

Peter Taff: It'll be.

Erica Rose Sanders: It's beautiful in December and, like, everything.

Peter Taff: Will it be, like, in theaters or

Erica Rose Sanders: we'll go to Netflix theaters. Like, it's like legit.

Co-host: Chuck, how do I get to be your plus one on that red carpet?

Kyle Herbert: This ass. Nicely built.

Co-host: Yep, I'm in. Chuck and I are doing the red carpet together.

Chuck Sanders: I Mean, the last red carpet we went to is. Was a unique red carpet.

Co-host: Tell me about that.

Chuck Sanders: Uh, it was at a tattoo shop.

Co-host: No.

Peter Taff: Okay.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah. And I met Carmen Electra, so it was cool.

Peter Taff: Cool.

Kyle Herbert: Nice.

Co-host: Wait, what year?

Chuck Sanders: 2026.

Co-host: Oh, wow. How's Carmen look these days? I haven't seen her in forever.

Chuck Sanders: She looks pretty good.

Kyle Herbert: Yeah.

Co-host: Nice.

Chuck Sanders: Looks pretty good.

Co-host: I mean, did you get a picture with her? Did you ask or did she offer?

Kyle Herbert: I asked.

Co-host: Obviously I'm asking Tina, show the picture if you want.

Peter Taff: What was the. Yeah, uh, I want to see is that movie.

Erica Rose Sanders: That wasn't even a movie. It was, um, like I have.

Chuck Sanders: If I Google myself on Google, the picture of my.

Erica Rose Sanders: It's on your Instagram too, babe.

Chuck Sanders: Hopefully it should like. Oh, it should be when you Google me.

Kyle Herbert: That's what was needed to be there.

Erica Rose Sanders: What was the, um, it was for this magazine that I was also in, but it's called, it has the name is not what the magazine is about, but it's called Supermodels Unlimited. She was on the COVID So it was celebrating like their anniversary party and a lot of reality TV people were there and it was. She chose to have it at her boyfriend's tattoo shop called the Vatican. And a lot of people were getting tattoos. And ahead of time, I kept telling Chuck, like, I'm gonna get a tattoo, tattoo. What should I get? But of course, when it came down to it, I never did. I always say that it's on my Instagram.

Co-host: You'll be thankful. Otherwise you got to walk around with what we have. Kyler, I had a tattoo.

Kyle Herbert: We trying to get a group tattoo for the Dirty Verdict, but we haven't decided.

Co-host: All of my tattoos are because I lost bets.

Erica Rose Sanders: Maybe I'll find it for or on

Co-host: a bachelor party of my own.

Peter Taff: Uh.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh my gosh. You don't know how to use Instagram.

Kyle Herbert: Um, mhm.

Chuck Sanders: Well, I do. There, it's right there.

Erica Rose Sanders: I.

Chuck Sanders: That's what she looks like.

Kyle Herbert: Nice. You guys both look great.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh, she's cute.

Co-host: Nice. This is Carmen Electra with a K.

Erica Rose Sanders: I had encouraged him to go up to her because my dad's actually like a fan of hers, but in a funny way. He once did a show on MTV called I want a Famous Face where a patient got plastic surgery to look like Carmen. So my dad's like, pull up the Carmen. And so I had told Chuck, like, let's go up to her and tell her that story, because I just felt like she was more of like a guy's girl, like that's just the vibe I got from her.

Co-host: I can see that.

Erica Rose Sanders: You know what I mean? Yeah, that's just the vibe. And so he did and uh, he told Carmen like about my dad and she said she had seen that I want a Famous Face show on MTV because it was about her. It was about. Of a girl that was like trying to do Playboy. That did came out like when I was in college. So it was a while back, but it was a series.

Kyle Herbert: But did she end up looking like Carmen Electra?

Erica Rose Sanders: A little bit. But uh, it also. I will be. The secret of that show is it was really just people that, that naturally was. My dad also did a Pamela Anderson. So it was really just people already a little bit person. It was not someone the. My dad didn't do this person. But there was a really kind of unique seeming guy that a different plastic surgeon did that wanted to look like Brad Pitt and he really like got a lot of dramatic surgery to do it. Whereas these women were naturally like already really pretty and she just happened to look like her and she wanted to like be in Playboy. So that, that's kind of like was the premise, I guess.

Kyle Herbert: I always wanted to look like uh, Sean Astin, the guy from the Goonies.

Peter Taff: You wanted to or.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah.

Peter Taff: Or you do?

Chuck Sanders: Well, mhm.

Kyle Herbert: I'm kind of a high carb hobbit myself and so I'm just, I'm moving that direction. We're hoping that time.

Co-host: We know that. We know Sam.

Peter Taff: We know. Uh, so what do you, what do you. Do you think, um, there's still an appetite for reality shows going forward?

Erica Rose Sanders: I do, but things have changed. I mean I'm always looking for a new good one to watch. My favorite current is. My current favorite is the Valley.

Chuck Sanders: The Valley.

Kyle Herbert: I wasn't on what's Gay.

Erica Rose Sanders: That's. It's on Bravo. But I do know someone. I met someone on there. Um, no, I mean this guy. This, of course he's gay, but his name's Zach. And the um, reason I like the Valley is because it also has people like RH that are married, um, with kids and some of them have been like divorced. Other ones, you know, are starting over again. And a few people from the show Vanderpump Rules went up and did the veterans Lala joined the ones that aren't in jail.

Kyle Herbert: LA Kent.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yes, she just joined.

Kyle Herbert: Big fans. Stop it.

Erica Rose Sanders: It's really pretty.

Co-host: That was a deep pool.

Erica Rose Sanders: You're gonna have to start watching it. Um, it comes on Wednesdays, I think. And then Britney, she was married to Jax, and they're getting divorced.

Kyle Herbert: But that's been. They've been getting divorced for a while.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah. But now she replaced him on the show, so that's kind of crazy is she first joined Vanderpump Rules as his girlfriend, and now he's gone and she's, like, taking over it.

Kyle Herbert: What happened to Jax? Is he just a bad dude?

Erica Rose Sanders: I. I don't know him, per. I met him only once, and he

Kyle Herbert: seemed kind of like a meathead.

Erica Rose Sanders: He was nice the time that I met him in a gifting suite many years ago, um, because I knew Sheena, so that's how I encountered him. But this was a long time ago. And, you know, Brittany and I have mutual acquaintances, but I don't know her personally, so I can't really take sides on the situation. But

Co-host: I'm taking Brittany's side anyways.

Erica Rose Sanders: But at the same time, I just want to give. I talk to other castmates and I don't know, I just. But there's something about me that just wants to give Jax, like, a benefit of the doubt.

Kyle Herbert: Sure.

Erica Rose Sanders: I feel bad for him for some reason.

Co-host: Those are the ones that you shouldn't valet on.

Erica Rose Sanders: Bravo, the only show I really like. Yeah, I feel like it would be fun to. Their lives are fun because they're living normal lives. One of them is actually even a lawyer, this guy Jason, um, and his wife Janet. And then they have kids, but it's, like, cool, because they have their normal lives and then they do, like, weekend trips and things. But that's how LA is just really different than Houston. I will say that much is like, you can still be a lawyer. Like this guy Jason at a law firm, and he gets into the. He gets involved with the drama. It's not just his wife. Like, he really gets involved with it

Co-host: because you have time.

Erica Rose Sanders: People ask him, like, do you still have your job? And they're like, yeah. Like, in la, people aren't as judgmental as Houston. That's really what wanted me to, um, just get a little residence there and be back there. It's like, I miss that free spirit attitude, I would say.

Co-host: What kind of judgment you think? I don't. I don't know. I don't. Nobody's judging me.

Erica Rose Sanders: Feel like in Houston, um, out there in a different way, which, um, you know, I just feel like, yeah, I do feel like people are more judgmental.

Co-host: You're right. It doesn't encourage risk taking. Risk.

Erica Rose Sanders: Encourage risk. People want to be more similar with each other.

Co-host: Peter, look at. I mean, that pocket Square right there. We're gonna make fun of him when

Peter Taff: we get off the air on the Dirty Verdict, People can come on to be real.

Co-host: And, yeah, if either of you are free next year, I'm going to audition for Judge Weems's play. If you guys, either of y' all want to come along and audition.

Peter Taff: Yeah, Erica, you miss it? Bill and I did an acting exercise with judge, um, Weems, and I failed.

Co-host: I destroyed you be. I showed you the range that I have.

Kyle Herbert: We're just three hetero males in blue blazers and oxford shirts trying to blaze a trail so people. People feel less just.

Co-host: I think what you're trying to say is we're two and a half men.

Kyle Herbert: Are you the top half or the bottom half, Bill?

Co-host: I'm Charlie Sheen. Whatever Charlie Sheen is.

Kyle Herbert: You got that tiger blood?

Co-host: Uh, I got some kind of blood. Something's in there.

Peter Taff: Do you know any of these Southern charm people?

Erica Rose Sanders: I don't. I one time tweeted with Chap, but, yeah, when it was Twitter. So it was tweeting because his last name's Rose, and this was, like, years ago. And I was joking because I. I was like, are we related? And he's like, are you Irish? I said, no, we're not really related, but we do have the same last name. Um, but that's as far as my, like, knowing of them go.

Co-host: What is Yalls ethnicities?

Erica Rose Sanders: I don't really like to talk about.

Co-host: M. Just Anglican, Strong Aryan.

Peter Taff: Bill.

Co-host: I am. I am the epitome of a Tejano. All right. I was Iraqi at one point. My ancestors were, well, we're super white. And then my mom's side was in Texas or Tejas. Then Texas, then the United States. But we've been in Texas for a while.

Kyle Herbert: Peter, why do you ask about Southern charm?

Peter Taff: Oh, I'm going to Charleston.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh, I.

Co-host: Have you been practicing your Charleston dance?

Peter Taff: No.

Co-host: Show us.

Peter Taff: Um, I'll have to watch.

Kyle Herbert: Sam.

Co-host: Um, Rockwell.

Peter Taff: I've got. No. I was going to say I have to watch It's a Wonderful Life. I think they're doing the Charleston when he falls in the pool.

Co-host: Yes, they are. But also the actor. Sam Rockwell is great. Charleston.

Peter Taff: D. No, I'm just going. So I was, like, looking. I was going to go back because I.

Co-host: What are you doing in Charleston?

Peter Taff: We're going to Cuba for.

Co-host: Oh.

Peter Taff: Afterwards. But we're going to go.

Kyle Herbert: You're like, uh. You're like a younger Thomas Ravenel, I think.

Erica Rose Sanders: Nah. Uh, I don't think so.

Peter Taff: I don't think so.

Co-host: I Think they're the same age.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Erica Rose Sanders: Yeah.

Peter Taff: I feel like he dates like 22 year olds.

Erica Rose Sanders: Young women. Right.

Co-host: He was like a 35 year old that looked people.

Kyle Herbert: He also got like arrested and lost office for like doing a bunch of blur. Yeah.

Chuck Sanders: Yeah.

Co-host: Well, now that you mentioned Kyle, he does kind of look like.

Kyle Herbert: I don't see it just a little bit.

Peter Taff: No, but anyhow, so I was gonna. I was. We're going with, uh, going out there. I was gonna watch the show, see where the spots are.

Erica Rose Sanders: So. Yeah. Ah, they. They're always showing where they're going.

Co-host: It's a lot of seersucker and bow ties.

Erica Rose Sanders: You definitely have the vibe.

Co-host: And don't wear socks. Don't wear socks even if they tell you to.

Peter Taff: I don't have socks on me either. Okay. So we. We want to be respectful of the fact that you have two little ones

Co-host: at home and careers that you've been grinding at all day. Thanks so much for joining us.

Peter Taff: We are so happy that y' all

Co-host: open invite gave us your time. Anytime you'll have the Tuesday one or both can come.

Chuck Sanders: Thank you so much for having us.

Peter Taff: Let me reiterate, anyone watching, if you're doing any kind of reality show, these two, figure out a way to get them into it would be assuming y' all are.

Chuck Sanders: Please don't.

Peter Taff: Yeah, maybe not. Sh. Shuck doesn't think so. But I'm just telling you, uh, we

Erica Rose Sanders: can do our own thing sometimes. You know, y' all should. Y' all do your own produce a lot. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, we don't always have to do things together if he doesn't feel comfortable.

Kyle Herbert: Sure.

Chuck Sanders: I don't.

Co-host: I do not either. I'm not a camera person.

Peter Taff: Yeah.

Co-host: Other than that one. Every other. Every other Tuesday.

Chuck Sanders: I don't want to say I'm not gonna be able to control myself. I like to kind of jaw tick where I go like that. And you know, they'll take a picture in the. In mid jaw and I'll look like a. So I'm just. And I can't be on my best behavior. Like if a camera's on, it's like

Co-host: looking into a mirror. Chad.

Chuck Sanders: I'm gonna. I'm gonna act a fool. So, like, stay away from.

Kyle Herbert: Right.

Co-host: We like that. Alcoholics.

Chuck Sanders: People that are recovering alcoholics don't go to the bar, do they?

Co-host: No, we do it at home quietly.

Peter Taff: So, uh, it for. For anyone that wants to work with you as a lawyer or hire you as a general public. What's the Best way to find you guys Rose Sanders law dog.

Erica Rose Sanders: Ah yeah that's it. And then we also have our Instagram at Rose Sanderslai actually just recruited someone from successfully from the U of H little like small median from career fair I went didn't come with me but I went with Jorge and we found someone in Houston. He's working out well so far but yeah there's always room for more people uh especially paralegal. You were saying?

Chuck Sanders: Yeah, I'm losing my mate. My mate my main demand writer or my firm. Like I convinced him when he first started working for me like four years ago to go to law school and

Erica Rose Sanders: like yeah he was try hard in

Chuck Sanders: college and now he's leaving he's going to law school in September so I

Erica Rose Sanders: gotta find somebody Are you if you're illegal. She keeps pointing it no but we

Kyle Herbert: have the electricity just.

Erica Rose Sanders: Oh you're He's a lawyer for new job. Okay where's going I from?

Kyle Herbert: We're letting some people go here shortly.

Co-host: Yeah if you're looking for on the demand side on the high volume cars, anything. Uh, I'll connect with you after like

Chuck Sanders: no, I've literally had some new. I had one guy that he said he misses he misses interview at one o'.

Co-host: Clock.

Chuck Sanders: So I was like he, he. He emails me, says it's an unexcusable situation and I'm like okay then I'll see you tomorrow at 9am him and he's like oh that's. That's not gonna fit in by. So they got a lot. I mean people. I see why people don't have jobs.

Co-host: It's generational Covid kind of ruined it all too.

Erica Rose Sanders: On Craigslist.

Chuck Sanders: No, I put a post on Craig, the guy was from Indeed.

Co-host: Actually if you're willing to.

Peter Taff: If you're willing to work show up for your interview and show up at 9 o' clock in the morning and

Co-host: demand the way Chuck wants you to demand. You know what's not like this?

Kyle Herbert: You take that stack of resumes, you take the top half and just throw them away because you can't work with unlucky people.

Co-host: Right.

Erica Rose Sanders: Funny.

Co-host: Look at Chuck. Chuck's like I like that. And I do too. I'm. I'm a fan. He always thought I was a genius and now he knows he thought the exact opposite.

Kyle Herbert: Kyle, thank you guys so much for joining us.

Peter Taff: I'm gonna wrap this up so that Sanders can get home.

Co-host: Yes.

Chuck Sanders: No, it's not remote.

Co-host: Yeah, not remote. It's never remote. The answer is never remote.

Peter Taff: Wait can you bring your. Your pet? There's no. Yeah, no pets. Okay. Anyhow, if you want to work for them, give them a call. Otherwise, thanks for joining us. Always, uh, a pleasure. Anyone out there? Call them if you have some legal needs. Um, you've heard what they do, and otherwise, we will see y' all next week.

Chuck Sanders: Thanks for having us.

Kyle Herbert: Any.

Co-host: Anytime.