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Generative AI Update - What the Latest Model Wars Mean for Marketers

The Digital Marketing Podcast · 2026-01-04 · 17 min

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

50 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density13 / 20
Originality10 / 20
Guest Caliber6 / 20
Specificity & Evidence14 / 20
Conversational Craft7 / 20

The competitive landscape between OpenAI and Google has intensified with significant capability leaps across both platforms. ChatGPT 5.2 now handles real-world tasks like creating PowerPoint project plans and spreadsheets far more effectively, while Gemini 3 excels at logical reasoning and coding reliability. Google's Nano Banana Pro image generation tool has achieved photorealistic outputs and improved text generation, matching ChatGPT's new ability to edit and recreate photos - a major shift from previous safety restrictions. The key differentiator is app connectivity: ChatGPT now offers hundreds of integrated tools including Canva, Adobe Express, and Figma, while Gemini remains more Google-ecosystem-focused. For marketers, the practical breakthrough is accessibility of code creation through canvas mode and vibe coding - interfaces in both tools that let non-developers build interactive HTML/CSS/React applications deployable in content management systems. Gemini's preview selector tool and ability to embed AI features (like automatic persona generation) makes building custom marketing tools increasingly feasible without backend infrastructure.

Key takeaways

  • →ChatGPT 5.2's real-world task abilities and hundreds of integrated apps (Canva, Adobe, Figma) make it superior for multi-tool workflows, while Gemini 3 leads in coding reliability and logical reasoning for technical tasks.
  • →Canvas mode and vibe coding interfaces in both platforms enable marketers to create, preview, and iteratively refine interactive HTML/CSS/React applications without deep coding knowledge.
  • →Google Nano Banana Pro and ChatGPT's updated image editor now support photorealistic photo editing and on-brand image generation from source styling, accessible at scale through Google Ads tools.
  • →Gemini allows embedding AI features directly into interactive content interfaces (persona builders, strategy generators) without backend deployment, enabling custom tools for personal or team use.
  • →ChatGPT Atlas browser (Mac, with PC version coming late January/February) enables multi-page analysis and report automation by running agent mode across open tabs, particularly useful for compiling analytics dashboards from multiple sources.

Topics in this episode

ClaudeOpenAIVibe codingGoogle Gemini 3Canvas modeChatGPT 5.1 and 5.2Google Ads image generation toolNano Banana ProChatGPT Atlas browserMicrosoft Edge Copilot

Questions this episode answers

What's the main difference between ChatGPT 5.2 and Gemini 3 for marketers?

ChatGPT 5.2 excels at real-world tasks like creating PowerPoint presentations and spreadsheets, and offers hundreds of integrated app connections (Canva, Adobe, Figma), while Gemini 3 is notably stronger at coding reliability and logical reasoning for technical work.

Can I now edit existing photos in ChatGPT to put people in new situations?

Yes - ChatGPT's updated image editor removed previous safety restrictions, allowing you to take a photo of a person and realistically place them in different scenarios, matching what Google Ads' image generation tool has offered.

How do I preview code I create in ChatGPT or Gemini without copying it out manually?

Enable canvas mode (the plus sign in ChatGPT, or access through tools in Gemini) and you'll get an immediate preview button that shows the live output of any code you generate without manual file creation.

Can I build AI-powered interactive tools as a marketer without a backend?

Yes - Gemini lets you create HTML/CSS/React applications with embedded AI features that run in your browser, and you can copy the code into your CMS for deployment or use them personally through preview mode.

What's the advantage of ChatGPT Atlas browser over regular browser use?

Atlas can analyze and compare multiple open webpages or reports simultaneously (analytics, email, social, ads) and compile them into a single summary report, and agent mode lets it edit open spreadsheets and documents directly.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

13 / 20

The episode packs substantial technical details about AI model capabilities (GPT-5.2, Gemini 3, Canvas mode, image editing, API integration) that a digital marketer could use, but much of it reads as feature walkthroughs rather than strategic insight. The actionable takeaway - that different models excel at different tasks - is valuable but relatively straightforward. Heavy self-promotion and membership pitches dilute the density of novel substance.

Dependent on the task, you might actually select a different large language model for that particular task
So suddenly I'm interacting with apps like Canva and Figma and lots of others as well from within Chat two PT itself

Originality

10 / 20

The episode covers mainstream AI product updates (OpenAI vs Google model wars, Canvas mode, image editing) that were widely discussed in tech circles at the time. The angle of applying these features to marketing workflows is competent but not particularly contrarian or first-principles thinking. No genuine pushback on the utility of these tools or unconventional perspectives on where they fall short.

the end of 2025, we saw a flurry of AI updates and changes, uh, and a bit of a heating up of the AI model war
Now I should say, at the same time, he did come onto Twitter and congratulate Google on what a great model

Guest Caliber

6 / 20

This is a solo host episode with no guest. Daniel Rolls presents himself as someone experimenting with these tools at his agency (Target Internet), which gives some practitioner credibility, but the lack of a guest means no opportunity to test ideas against someone with different experience or deeper expertise in specific domains. Solo monologues lack the friction that produces richer insight.

My name's Daniel Rolls, and in this episode I'm gonna take you through the latest generative AI news and updates
For my use case, for example, generally I'm still using chat GPT for most things

Specificity & Evidence

14 / 20

The episode offers concrete product names (GPT-5.2, Gemini 3, Nano Banana Pro, Canvas mode, Atlas browser), specific workflows (using Canva connector in ChatGPT, creating interactive tools with AI buttons, multi-tab reporting), and shows examples of features in action (persona builder, marketing strategy tool). However, it lacks hard numbers (no metrics on performance improvements, time savings, or cost impact), named client case studies, or comparative benchmarks. The evidence is mostly descriptive rather than quantified.

Nano Banana Pro, uh, has just kind of really leapt forward
You could take a Target internet mug, uh, and I, I'll upload the example of this to the show notes

Conversational Craft

7 / 20

As a solo monologue, there is no conversation or host-guest dynamic. The episode lacks follow-up questions, challenge, or dialectical tension. Rolls presents claims without critical examination (e.g., 'Gemini is miles ahead at coding' stated without evidence, no pushback on hype or limitations). Self-promotional interjections break focus. The structure is feature-listing rather than investigative or argumentative.

For coding, Gemini feels like it's just miles ahead as well
Suddenly 5.2 is massively better

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Most-used words

gemini22create18google14moment12chat11code11target10open10internet9coding8tools8interface8images8tool7podcast6latest6

Episode notes

The generative AI landscape has shifted again, and at speed. In this update episode, Daniel Rowles breaks down a rapid sequence of releases from OpenAI and Google, explaining what has actually changed, what genuinely matters, and how marketers and business leaders should respond. Covering everything from ChatGPT 5.x and Gemini 3 through to image generation breakthroughs, AI-powered apps, and the rise of accessible 'vibe coding', this episode is a practical briefing rather than hype-driven commentary. Daniel focuses on real-world capability, usability, and where these tools are already changing how marketing teams work, build, and analyse. Rather than asking which model is "winning", the episode reframes the question around task-based selection. Different tools now excel at different jobs, from coding and image editing to workflow automation and reporting.

Full transcript

17 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Welcome back to the Digital Marketing Podcast, brought to you by target internet.com. My name's Daniel Rolls, and in this episode I'm gonna take you through the latest generative AI news and updates. Just before we get going, just a quick message.

If you fancy spending half a day with me every month, what a joy. A target internet membership is currently half price at just 30 pounds a month, and you get our half day master classes. And we have got a masterclass coming up on the latest trends in digital marketing. We are talking about all the latest AI updates.

We're looking at AI agents hand on, we'll look at vibe coding and a load of other stuff as well. But at the moment, you get those with the 30 day free trial as well, and you can cancel any time. So really worth signing up. It'll be lovely to meet more of you you've already got a great community, so, uh, it'd be great to meet you and hopefully see you on the next masterclass.

So let's get into it. And the end of 2025, we saw a flurry of AI updates and changes, uh, and a bit of a heating up of the AI model war, particularly between open AI and chatt PT. And Google Gemini, so it's kind of worth starting there. OpenAI released Chat two BT five, uh, and actually that was adopted into co-pilots or something.

Co-pilot leaped forward as well, and it seemed like it was kind of really racing ahead of Google Gemini and chat two B five was smarter and it was a lot more autonomous, and it just kind of seemed smarter all around. And then suddenly Gemini three was released. Uh, and in terms of writing and logical responses, it kind of leapt ahead of chatt pt, so it was really good at work out what you're asking for and it seemed a lot more reasoned than it had done before. But then suddenly a big story appeared in the press about Sam Altman from opening Air, reacting to that and releasing a code red and saying, right, we need to stop all non-essential projects and we need to kind of leap ahead again of Google Gemini.

Now I should say, at the same time, he did come onto Twitter and congratulate Google on what a great model. Gemini three is then within, within days in the following weeks, we saw Chacha, BT 5.1, uh, and then 5.2.

And the big leap for 5.2 is ability to do real world tasks kind of more effectively. So if you've ever got chat two BT to kind of create a project plan in PowerPoint or create a spreadsheet, it was kind of reasonably limited. Suddenly 5.

2 is massively better. They're doing those kind of things. So in reality now what it means is that dependent on the task, you might actually select a different large language model for that particular task. Now, I haven't mentioned Claude here as well, but Claude has also taken a leap forward in terms of coding as well.

But for my use case, for example, generally I'm still using chat GPT for most things. And that's, that's mainly because I've created lots of custom gpt. I can connect it to lots of different tools, which we'll come back to in a moment 'cause that's taken a leap forward as well. But for coding, Gemini feels like it's just miles ahead as well.

So, we'll, we'll come back to that, that coding piece to me, and actually the interface for making that coding accessible to marketers, to entrepreneurs and so on, is a bit of a different thing. Over the same time period, we saw the release of Nano Banana Pro. So that was Google's image generation tool and they had nano banana already, which was already pretty impressive. But Nano Banana Pro, uh, has just kind of really leapt forward.

And then we had the release of new chat, GPT images. In both cases, what we really saw is a leapt forward in the ability to edit existing images and particularly photographs but the photorealism of what was being created as well. Now I have to say Gemini is, I feel generally better at the moment, a photorealism, but they're both incredible. The big change really is now that Chachi t can edit and recreate photos.

So previously. If I'd taken a picture of me and I'd said, put this on me on a beach same person, but has put me on a beach. It was kind of prevented from doing that due to a safety restriction and the safety restrictions. You couldn't take people and put them in new situations.

It would recreate them, but it wouldn't quite be them. The faces would change. Now, the, the big shift is you can now do that. Now if you look at why Google did it in the first place.

It's, if you go into Google Ads, there is a tool there. So you can take a product and you can put that product in any scenario. So you could take a Target internet mug, uh, and I, I'll upload the example of this to the show notes, target internet.com/podcast, and I can then take that item or remove the background for me and it'll put it in loads of different situations.

And you can do that at scale. Now incidentally, if you want to do that, go to Google Ads. You click on tools on the menu. You can access, uh, the ability to add images, and you can download those images.

You can also create videos and things in there as well. The big change for Google. NAU Banana Pro is extreme. Photorealism like lighting and subtlety is incredibly better, but it's also really caught up in being able to create text effectively.

So it was a little bit, you create kind of high licky things sometimes as well, so it's much better at doing that. But it also now does something that Chachi Bitty has done for a while, which is using source images to create on-brand images. So if you're not familiar, you can do this in both platforms now. You upload a whole sequence of images.

You say create me a something like an infographic explaining something. You define what it is, but use these images as source styling and it will copy the colors, the fonts, the spacing, the layout, those kind of things as well. Another big change for chat GBT is that connectors, uh, are gone and they're now called apps. And the key thing here is, first of all, there's a lot more of them.

And they can do a lot more. So you've got a massive list of tools now you can connect chapter PT up to. And that is one of the limitations of Google Gemini, is that Gemini is kind of locked down a lot more to the Google platforms. Now, a lot of large corporations, that's a, that's a good thing 'cause they don't want it to be connected up to lots of different things.

Within chapter, BT you can set this at an administrator level, so you don't need to give people access to it if you're doing it as part of a large team. But for example, there's a Canva plugin instead. Now, me just asking Canva to list when I access the projects, what are my latest projects and things like that, I can actually say, okay, create me a design using my brand guidelines, and it'll go on and it'll give me, for example, four designs. I can select from those and I can refine them, I can update them.

And it's not just Canva, it's Adobe Photoshop, but it's Adobe Express and various others as well. So suddenly I'm interacting with apps like Canva and Figma and lots of others as well from within Chat two PT itself and doing a lot of the work there as well. Now I mentioned this earlier on, but really for me, the big leap for Gemini is its coding ability. Not just that it can code well, but the logic in working out what I want it to build from my prompt is really incredible.

And the code is notably more reliable than chacha puppeteers from my experience currently. The big thing really though from a kind of marketer entrepreneur's point of view is the, is the coding interface. So both tools have something called canvas mode, which I will come back to in a moment. But Gemini has a little selector tool where it'll get it to write some code.

It will then preview what that code like, the interface that whatever you've built as well. And then you could just highlight a little bit of that page and you could say, oh, change this text to this, or redesign this button, or lay this out differently, or add this functionality here. If you wanna see a couple of interactive pages we've done recently, go to the show notes, uh, target internet.com/podcast and you'll see those in there.

And we've managed to create these interactive pages, tutorials that are really completely on brand and that what it created the first time was okay, but by tweaking it again and again with my brand manager, we got it to the stage we're really happy with, and then we can take that code and use it again. In the future. So the idea of vibe coding, kind of going backwards and the forwards that we covered in a recent episode really the interface in Gemini really helps you with that.

Now, bear in mind at the moment, what I can do is say, create me a one page app in HTML. Maybe build in the cascading style sheets, the CSS, and then maybe use something like React. And this is all stuff that can run in a browser with no backend. So what does that mean?

It means you could copy and paste that code into your content management system if your content management system allows you to do that, and you could deploy that relatively easily. And we are doing that across target internet a fair bit now. That essentially means that you. Creating interactive content as a marketer has got a whole lot more accessible if you can liaise with your tech team to actually deploy that stuff.

A stage further on from this is that Gemini now allows you to add AI features to whatever you are creating. Okay, so give you an example. Fairly easy with any of these tools at the moment to create some interactive content with charts or animations and things like that. But actually now I could create the interface for a tool that creates a persona and I could fill in some basic details, and then I can add an AI button.

I hit the button and it fills in the rest of the persona for me. Or I could go through and say, right, I'm going to give you a topic, a target audience, uh, a number of channels. I wouldn you to build me a marketing strategy. Now, deploying these kind of tools is more complex.

Because you've gotta include calls to the API that's in Gemini within our website, or we are working on doing that at the moment. But there's nothing stopping you creating apps within Gemini that you can just use for yourself. So you could build yourself a strategy builder with beautiful interface. So the idea being that at the moment you can, in chat, bt you can create custom GPTs, you know, create a GPT, that's a specific thing for you.

In Google, Gemini, they're called gems within copilot, uh, they're calling them agents. It's all pretty much the same thing. The difference here is that what I'm doing is creating an interface for a tool. It's not just text.

I can actually kind of fill in some fields and things like that and get it to something for me. Now, if you're interested. We have a live one hour update session that's free to newsletter subscribers on Vibe codings to do exactly this and we're gonna build something out. And then for members, we've got half Day Masterclass.

And remember, it's only 30 quid a month at the moment, and there is a free trial for 30 days as well. So if you're not signed up the newsletter, target internet.com newsletter, you get that one hour session and for 30 pounds a month come and get signed up to Target internet. And I spent half a day with me building some of this stuff live as well.

I want to come back to that point about Canvas and it's a little missed kind of feature. So Canvas, if you go to over chat two, BT and Gemini, there's a little plus sign on chat two Bt you have to go to tools. In Gemini you just kind of go through the list and essentially what people use it for is kind of interactively writing something. So when you're writing an article, you could just highlight a section of the article and get it to rewrite that bit, which is a nice interface for editing content.

But actually what I've seen people miss a lot, and I've done a lot of training sessions where I'm doing something and people are going, well, how? How have you done that? Have you got a preview? And what I mean is if you get any of these tools to write your code or write the code out, and you're like, well that's great, but I've now gotta cut, cut and paste that out.

I've probably got Crate an HTML file. I've gotta drop it into that and I've gotta preview it. Okay. If you have canvas mode switched on.

You will get a little preview button and that will immediately show you what that code and it's running is gonna look like as well. So it's a real game changer because it makes it way more accessible to go through and create code and then preview it. So the idea I was speaking about a moment ago, you go to Google Gemini, you get it to create a tool that would be useful to you. You build AI into that and there is a button just to add Gemini AI to it, and then if you preview, you can use that tool.

So, so it's a really nice technique for building things for yourself and then potentially you could deploy that stuff if you wanted as well. But obviously that's a bit more complicated. Okay, last small piece to talk about in this quick update session. Chatty BT Atlas, that was chatty BTS browser was released for Max now.

It's only Mac at the moment and it's only Apple, Silicon powered Mac as some of the latest Macs as well. It's been around since mid-October though, and we've been playing with it loads. Just to say there is a PC version coming. Uh, we think late January or February, there's no update, but don't forget, you can achieve very similar things except the agent mode stuff I'm about to talk about with Microsoft Edge, which has got copilot built into it.

As well. Uh, and copilot is now running the very latest version of chat, bt, which is 5.2 at the moment. Anyway, so you can get the same kind of results.

But what's really exciting about this is that I still use Google Chrome as my standard browser, but where Atlas is really excelling is comparing and contrasting pages I have open. So look at these five webpages that are all selling maybe a similar product and correct me a new page that's better than all of them. Or run analysis of all these open reports and create me a summary report. So imagine you go through, you open up your web analytics, your email analytics, your social analytics, your ads, you open each of the tabs, and you create a prompt that you run once a month to go through and compile a standard report from all of those things in one place.

So suddenly it becomes way easier to understand data, to pull insights out of that data, but do it in a quick, efficient way. Analyze this page from an SEO point of view, analyze this page from a conversion rate optimization point of view as well. But what's really interesting is anything you can open, if you put it into agent mode, you can then edit it. So if you open a spreadsheet in Excel, in office, you can then put it to agent mode and it can edit.

Spreadsheet. I had great fun making it argue with Gemini. So I open up Gemini inside Atlas, open us Chatt PT in the little side tab, and then got it to interact and have a conversation about which of them was better and it went on for some time. So basically if you can open a window.

You can then get it to interact with that as well. So lots of opportunity for workflow improvement, but I think that reporting piece is probably one of the most important. And we're gonna have an upcoming podcast all about creating automated reporting, uh, as well. So some tips there, some updates on what's happening with the major large language models and what it means to us as marketers and entrepreneurs as well.

Keep listening to the Digital Marketing podcast. We'll have more of these regular short update sessions coming up. And thank you so much for listening. I.

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