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TBPN

Hosted by John Coogan & Jordi Hays

TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11 - 2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.

587 episodes · publishes daily · latest 2026-07-03 · ~87 min/episode

Rank

#2544

Substance

64.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

AI & Data rank

#243 of 495

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Across the index

#2544 of 6183

Substance

Top 41%

outscores 59% of the index

Why it scores where it does

TBPN ranks #2544 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 64.0 out of 100, scored across 5 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Strong roster overall: Andrew Collins (Flexjet CEO, operational scale); Vipul Ved Prakash (Together AI co-founder, $800M Series B, hands-on builder); Isaiah Taylor (Valor Atomics co-founder, achieved first nuclear startup electricity milestone); Dean Ball (OpenAI policy fellow, insider perspective on AI governance); Rob Toews (Radical Ventures partner, repeated appearances, thesis-driven). Weaker spots: brief appearances from less defined founders, and some segments (Jersey Mike's IPO, Boston Dynamics speculation) feature no direct guests.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 5 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

12.8 / 20

The episode contains scattered substantive moments - particularly in conversations with Vipul Ved Prakash (open source AI progress, cost optimization trends), Isaiah Taylor (nuclear reactor timelines and community engagement specifics), and Dean Ball (policy dynamics, nationalization frameworks) - but is heavily padded with shallow news coverage, banter, tangential stories (Empire State Building proposal, Big Boogie scholarship), and extended brand integrations that dilute insight density. Most segments lack follow-up depth or quantitative rigor.

“open source models have really closed the gap with those models”

“a good bulk of the the fleet itself is actually owned by our consumers”

Originality

11.8 / 20

The episode rehashes established narratives: open source AI catching up (well-worn), private aviation addiction economics (familiar luxury angle), export controls as geopolitical fear, AI rights as distant speculation. The nationalization debate and household equity distribution frames are less novel, and much of the discussion circles back to known tensions (OpenAI vs. government, Silicon Valley vs. DC) without introducing fresh frameworks or counterintuitive arguments.

“open source models have really closed the gap with those models”

“commercial aviation is probably the best marketing force that we have in private aviation”

Guest Caliber

13.4 / 20

Strong roster overall: Andrew Collins (Flexjet CEO, operational scale); Vipul Ved Prakash (Together AI co-founder, $800M Series B, hands-on builder); Isaiah Taylor (Valor Atomics co-founder, achieved first nuclear startup electricity milestone); Dean Ball (OpenAI policy fellow, insider perspective on AI governance); Rob Toews (Radical Ventures partner, repeated appearances, thesis-driven). Weaker spots: brief appearances from less defined founders, and some segments (Jersey Mike's IPO, Boston Dynamics speculation) feature no direct guests.

“I came into the company in 2012 through an acquisition. I was running a company called Sanctions Jet”

“Our business, which really serves open rates models and powerful AI at dramatically cheaper cost has been growing tremendously”

Specificity & Evidence

13.2 / 20

Mixed execution. Strong specifics in places: Valor Atomics hit May 2025 EO deadline, electricity generation confirmed; Together AI grew from $100M to $1.2B in bookings; Flexjet has 350 aircraft, plans 400 by year-end, 60% YoY transatlantic growth. But many segments are vague: Jersey Mike's valuation (no unit economics), SpaceX phone ("prototype," "may never ship"), nationalization (abstract $371-per-household math with limited grounding), and vast stretches of news coverage cite no sources or data.

“5,000,000,000. If you're giving it to households like like this idea, there's like a 130,000,000 households. So that's like $371 of like equity per household”

“350 aircraft now. We'll grow to another 50 aircraft this year to get to about 400”

Conversational Craft

12.8 / 20

Host questioning is uneven. Strong follow-ups appear in interviews with Vipul (distillation skepticism), Isaiah (community engagement deep dive), and Dean (nationalization consequences, instrumentality doctrine). Weak moments: softball queries to Flexjet, minimal pushback on Rob Toews' telepathy timeline prediction, and extensive unfocused banter on cars, memes, and tangents that signal disengagement. The show structure (news + multiple guests) leaves little room for drilling into any single topic; transitions feel abrupt.

“Company is typically coming to you with a workflow that they've already prototyped and they feel like is confident and they want to match the performance but at a better price. Yeah. I I would say they're both use cases”

“If there's some new feature that pops up, Instagram will add it very quickly”

Standout episodes

  • SpaceX Phone, U.S. Stake in OpenAI, Jersey Mike's IPO | Andrew Collins, Vipul Ved Prakash, Isaiah Taylor, Dean Ball, Rob Toews, Tuhin Srivastava

    2026-07-02

    78
  • MetaCloud, Bending Spoons IPO with Founder Luca Ferrari, Amble Founder Joins | Mark Pincus, Shubh Sinha, Wayne Ting, Jeffery Liu & Jon Wang, Eliot Pence, Luca Ferrari, Nick Grossman, Julian Hoenig

    2026-07-01

    67
  • Rocket Lab Enters SpaceX Arena, Meta’s Prediction Market, America’s Tech Wishlist | Diet TBPN

    2026-07-01

    64

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First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

9 scored on substance · 62 tracked in total.

  • SpaceX Phone, U.S. Stake in OpenAI, Jersey Mike's IPO | Andrew Collins, Vipul Ved Prakash, Isaiah Taylor, Dean Ball, Rob Toews, Tuhin Srivastava

    2026-07-02 · 2h 26m

    78 / 100
  • The Meta Compute Debate | Diet TBPN

    2026-07-02 · 23 min

    54 / 100
  • MetaCloud, Bending Spoons IPO with Founder Luca Ferrari, Amble Founder Joins | Mark Pincus, Shubh Sinha, Wayne Ting, Jeffery Liu & Jon Wang, Eliot Pence, Luca Ferrari, Nick Grossman, Julian Hoenig

    2026-07-01 · 2h 37m

    67 / 100
  • Rocket Lab Enters SpaceX Arena, Meta’s Prediction Market, America’s Tech Wishlist | Diet TBPN

    2026-07-01 · 33 min

    64 / 100
  • America's Tech Wishlist, Comcast Splits in Two, Tristan Thompson in the Ultradome | Zach Laberge, Gavin Uberti, Eren Bali, Larsen Jensen, Ricky Rosa, Andrew Rea, Michael Anderson, Tristan Thompson, Grant Gregory & Ian Rountree

    2026-06-30 · 2h 55m

    57 / 100
  • Open Source vs. Closed Source, Memory Chips Eat AI Profits, Comcast Restructures | Diet TBPN

    2026-06-29 · 32 min

    80 / 100
  • Open-Source AI Battle, Google Throttles Meta, Micron Margins Moon | Edward Coristine & Tai Groot, Chad Rigetti, Pim de Witte, Yadin Soffer, Jack Morris, Neil Movva, Jakob Diepenbrock, Chris Altchek

    2026-06-29 · 2h 21m

    80 / 100
  • Shifts In The Creator Economy, Kylie Jenner x Meta, GPT 5.6 Limited Release | Diet TBPN

    2026-06-27 · 32 min

    60 / 100
  • Mini Truck Boom, Kylie and Zuck vs Spiegel and RDJ, Europe Considers AC

    2026-06-26 · 2h 17m

    69 / 100

Frequently asked

What is TBPN's substance score?
TBPN scores 64.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #2544 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 59% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #243 of 495 in AI & Data. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is TBPN worth listening to?
Yes - TBPN outscores 59% of the B2B ai & data podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a ai & data operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts TBPN?
TBPN is hosted by John Coogan & Jordi Hays.
How often does TBPN publish?
TBPN publishes daily, has 587 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-07-03.
Which TBPN episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "SpaceX Phone, U.S. Stake in OpenAI, Jersey Mike's IPO | Andrew Collins, Vipul Ved Prakash, Isaiah Taylor, Dean Ball, Rob Toews, Tuhin Srivastava" (78/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

MetaAWSGoogle Cloud PlatformSpaceXAnthropicAdobeMidjourneyShopifyAppleCoreWeaverDeepMindCodex

Guests who've appeared

Vipul Ved Prakash (Together AI)Isaiah Taylor (Valor Atomics)Dean BallMark PincusWayne TingLuca FerrariNick GrossmanJulian HoenigEliot PenceEren BaliTristan ThompsonGrant GregoryIan RountreeTylerTyler (AI analyst)Chad Rigetti (quantum)Pim de Witte (General Intuition)Jakob Diepenbrock

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

SpaceX · 3AWS · 2Rocket Lab · 2Iridium Communications · 2Prediction markets · 2Open source AI models · 2DeepSeek · 2GLM 5.2 · 2OpenRouter · 2Apple Vision Pro · 2OpenAIBlackstoneTrump administration5% equity stakesJersey Mike's IPOJMKE tickerOffice of Personnel Management (OPM)Federal retirement digitization

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