
Hosted by John Coogan & Jordi Hays
TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11 - 2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
587 episodes · publishes daily · latest 2026-07-03 · ~87 min/episode
Rank
#2544
Substance
64.0
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly
Across the index
#2544 of 6183
Substance
Top 41%
outscores 59% of the index
TBPN ranks #2544 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 64.0 out of 100, scored across 5 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Strong roster overall: Andrew Collins (Flexjet CEO, operational scale); Vipul Ved Prakash (Together AI co-founder, $800M Series B, hands-on builder); Isaiah Taylor (Valor Atomics co-founder, achieved first nuclear startup electricity milestone); Dean Ball (OpenAI policy fellow, insider perspective on AI governance); Rob Toews (Radical Ventures partner, repeated appearances, thesis-driven). Weaker spots: brief appearances from less defined founders, and some segments (Jersey Mike's IPO, Boston Dynamics speculation) feature no direct guests.
Averaged across 5 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.
The episode contains scattered substantive moments - particularly in conversations with Vipul Ved Prakash (open source AI progress, cost optimization trends), Isaiah Taylor (nuclear reactor timelines and community engagement specifics), and Dean Ball (policy dynamics, nationalization frameworks) - but is heavily padded with shallow news coverage, banter, tangential stories (Empire State Building proposal, Big Boogie scholarship), and extended brand integrations that dilute insight density. Most segments lack follow-up depth or quantitative rigor.
“open source models have really closed the gap with those models”
“a good bulk of the the fleet itself is actually owned by our consumers”
The episode rehashes established narratives: open source AI catching up (well-worn), private aviation addiction economics (familiar luxury angle), export controls as geopolitical fear, AI rights as distant speculation. The nationalization debate and household equity distribution frames are less novel, and much of the discussion circles back to known tensions (OpenAI vs. government, Silicon Valley vs. DC) without introducing fresh frameworks or counterintuitive arguments.
“open source models have really closed the gap with those models”
“commercial aviation is probably the best marketing force that we have in private aviation”
Strong roster overall: Andrew Collins (Flexjet CEO, operational scale); Vipul Ved Prakash (Together AI co-founder, $800M Series B, hands-on builder); Isaiah Taylor (Valor Atomics co-founder, achieved first nuclear startup electricity milestone); Dean Ball (OpenAI policy fellow, insider perspective on AI governance); Rob Toews (Radical Ventures partner, repeated appearances, thesis-driven). Weaker spots: brief appearances from less defined founders, and some segments (Jersey Mike's IPO, Boston Dynamics speculation) feature no direct guests.
“I came into the company in 2012 through an acquisition. I was running a company called Sanctions Jet”
“Our business, which really serves open rates models and powerful AI at dramatically cheaper cost has been growing tremendously”
Mixed execution. Strong specifics in places: Valor Atomics hit May 2025 EO deadline, electricity generation confirmed; Together AI grew from $100M to $1.2B in bookings; Flexjet has 350 aircraft, plans 400 by year-end, 60% YoY transatlantic growth. But many segments are vague: Jersey Mike's valuation (no unit economics), SpaceX phone ("prototype," "may never ship"), nationalization (abstract $371-per-household math with limited grounding), and vast stretches of news coverage cite no sources or data.
“5,000,000,000. If you're giving it to households like like this idea, there's like a 130,000,000 households. So that's like $371 of like equity per household”
“350 aircraft now. We'll grow to another 50 aircraft this year to get to about 400”
Host questioning is uneven. Strong follow-ups appear in interviews with Vipul (distillation skepticism), Isaiah (community engagement deep dive), and Dean (nationalization consequences, instrumentality doctrine). Weak moments: softball queries to Flexjet, minimal pushback on Rob Toews' telepathy timeline prediction, and extensive unfocused banter on cars, memes, and tangents that signal disengagement. The show structure (news + multiple guests) leaves little room for drilling into any single topic; transitions feel abrupt.
“Company is typically coming to you with a workflow that they've already prototyped and they feel like is confident and they want to match the performance but at a better price. Yeah. I I would say they're both use cases”
“If there's some new feature that pops up, Instagram will add it very quickly”
First period on the Index - history builds from here.
9 scored on substance · 62 tracked in total.
SpaceX Phone, U.S. Stake in OpenAI, Jersey Mike's IPO | Andrew Collins, Vipul Ved Prakash, Isaiah Taylor, Dean Ball, Rob Toews, Tuhin Srivastava
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