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Talking with Tech Leaders

Hosted by Michael Phair

Explore the forefront of technology with 'Talking with Tech Leaders,' a podcast brought to you by Be-IT. Dive deep into the minds of the industry's most influential figures - from visionary CEOs and pioneering CTOs to innovative entrepreneurs and seasoned engineering managers.

43 episodes · publishes monthly · latest 2024-11-25 · ~60 min/episode

Rank

#1308

Substance

72.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Engineering & DevTools rank

#106 of 290

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Across the index

#1308 of 6219

Substance

Top 21%

outscores 79% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Talking with Tech Leaders ranks #1308 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 72.0 out of 100, scored across 2 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Steve Orrin is highly credentialed with 30+ years of direct execution at security companies (founder/CTO at Sanctum, Lockstar, SunData) and current Federal CTO at Intel - a genuinely senior operator role. He has shipped products, managed teams through exits, and influenced standards (NIST). However, his current role is primarily strategic/government-facing rather than ongoing hands-on technical leadership in a product or engineering capacity, which prevents a higher score.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 2 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

14.5 / 20

The episode contains moderate insight density with some genuinely valuable lessons (e.g., the pivot from PKI-to-RACF mapping to web-enabling mainframes, understanding customer pain points before product development, secure-by-design philosophy), but suffers from significant filler including lengthy biographical storytelling, repetitive career trajectory discussion, and extended throat-clearing. The first half is particularly verbose relative to substance delivered.

“what we figured out is that, in order to achieve what we were doing for our security, we had to have a piece of code running on the mainframe that could take the certificate, interpret it and map it to in the case of a mainframe RACF or ACF2 credential”

“the sheer how do I connect the mainframe or the legacy application to the web, to the internet? So they were, you know. They said I love your idea, I would use your security tool if I could connect the mainframe”

Originality

13.5 / 20

While some ideas are fresh (applying secure boot to cloud infrastructure in 2006, the mainframe-to-web integration pivot), much of the broader security philosophy is well-established industry thinking by the time of recording (DevSecOps, secure-by-design, threat modeling). The guest largely articulates conventional wisdom about AI not solving novel APTs, the value of diverse teams, and post-quantum cryptography readiness - important but not contrarian or first-principles thinking.

“what if we could get the same kind of properties of the warm and fuzz you get from a secure boot, a secure launch of a system all the way up through the hypervisor, but do that at the cloud provider”

“AI is a tool Like a hammer. I can use it to build a house or hit somebody upside the head”

Guest Caliber

18.0 / 20

Steve Orrin is highly credentialed with 30+ years of direct execution at security companies (founder/CTO at Sanctum, Lockstar, SunData) and current Federal CTO at Intel - a genuinely senior operator role. He has shipped products, managed teams through exits, and influenced standards (NIST). However, his current role is primarily strategic/government-facing rather than ongoing hands-on technical leadership in a product or engineering capacity, which prevents a higher score.

“federal CTO at Intel Corporation, you can orchestrate and work with executives on customer engagements in the federal space”

“we had 500 Fortune 1000 as customers... Sanctum was one of my most successful startups”

Specificity & Evidence

14.0 / 20

The episode lacks concrete metrics, timelines, and dollar figures. While the guest references specific products (AppScan, Sanctum, Lockstar), technologies (TI-994A, COBOL/WSDL translation), and one vivid example ($25M deepfake transfer), he rarely quantifies impact, customer acquisition costs, revenue figures, or specific threat metrics. Most claims remain at the level of anecdote and principle rather than data-driven evidence.

“we had 500 Fortune 1000 as customers”

“one instance where a deepfake video with a chatbot... got them to transfer $25 million”

Conversational Craft

12.0 / 20

The host asks reasonable opening questions but rarely pushes back, challenges claims, or deepens exploration of contradictions. Questions are mostly biographical or process-oriented rather than probing for specificity. The host does not challenge vague statements about AI, post-quantum timelines, or the practical barriers Orrin mentions. The conversation reads as a friendly biographical interview rather than rigorous inquiry into substantive technical or business problems.

“How are you getting on, steve, you well”

“How is the buy-in for companies? Is it quite challenging for them to trust it or to kind of see the value right away?”

Standout episodes

  • Talking with... Steve Orrin, Federal CTO at Intel

    2024-11-08

    78
  • Talking with... Jonny Mallabar, Head of Architecture at ACCA

    2024-11-25

    66

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

2 scored on substance · 43 tracked in total.

  • Talking with... Jonny Mallabar, Head of Architecture at ACCA

    2024-11-25 · 1h 13m

    66 / 100
  • Talking with... Steve Orrin, Federal CTO at Intel

    2024-11-08 · 1h 15m

    78 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Talking with Tech Leaders's substance score?
Talking with Tech Leaders scores 72.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1308 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 79% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #106 of 290 in Engineering & DevTools. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Talking with Tech Leaders worth listening to?
Yes - Talking with Tech Leaders outscores 79% of the B2B engineering & devtools podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a engineering & devtools operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Talking with Tech Leaders?
Talking with Tech Leaders is hosted by Michael Phair.
How often does Talking with Tech Leaders publish?
Talking with Tech Leaders publishes monthly, has 43 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2024-11-25.
Which Talking with Tech Leaders episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Talking with... Steve Orrin, Federal CTO at Intel" (78/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

IBM · 2ACCAMicromuseHPEDSDXCHarmonicSercoMinistry of Education Saudi ArabiaKew GardensNatural History MuseumIntelSurvegaWatchfireSanctumFirst Genetic TrustSundataLockStar

Guests who've appeared

Jonny MallabarSteve Orrin

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Enterprise architectureSystem architectureMinistry of DefenceDefense Infrastructure Initiative (DII)Micromuse (now IBM)HP/EDS (now DXC)HarmonicACCASaudi Ministry of EducationSercoLockStarSundataFirst Genetic TrustSanctumSOAP web servicesCOBOL to WSDL translationLegacy mainframe integrationCereg

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