
Road to Net Zero Podcast · 2025-09-18 · 25 min
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Project RECOVAS tackles one of the most pressing criticisms of electric vehicles: what happens to the batteries when they reach end of life. Led by EMR with Advanced Propulsion Centre funding, the project assembled a diverse consortium including Jaguar Land Rover, BMW, Bentley, Autocraft, and Connected Energy to create an integrated UK-based supply chain for battery reuse, remanufacturing, and recycling. The new EV Battery Recycling Centre in Birmingham demonstrates the model: batteries are tested for reuse or remanufacturing (handled by partners like Autocraft for warranty repairs and Connected Energy for second-life stationary storage), or discharged and disassembled into modules for recycling to recover critical materials like lithium, cobalt, and manganese. Current OEM manufacturing of new EVs carries roughly 24 tons of CO2 impact versus 12 tons for conventional cars, but using recycled battery materials reduces this impact dramatically. The project targets 95% recyclability through improved recovery processes, including battery-grade graphite recovery (currently in R&D with the University of Birmingham). This closed-loop approach addresses resource security for the UK automotive industry, reduces import-export logistics, and enables OEMs to access recovered materials domestically rather than virgin mining - ultimately positioning the UK as a leader in sustainable EV production.
End-of-life EV batteries are triaged for repair, remanufacturing, second-life use in stationary storage, or recycling. Batteries with faults are repaired at the cell level by remanufacturers like Autocraft; those with 70%+ capacity go to second-life storage with Connected Energy; those suitable only for recycling are discharged, disassembled into modules, and shredded to recover materials like lithium, cobalt, copper, and aluminium, with a target of 95% material recovery.
Project RECOVAS targets 95% recyclability of EV batteries by recovering aluminium, copper, cobalt, manganese, lithium, and battery-grade graphite. Graphite recovery is still in R&D stages with the University of Birmingham, but once proven it will enable near-complete material recovery.
Remanufacturing repaired EV batteries for warranty replacement saves over 97% of water, electricity, and carbon compared to manufacturing new batteries, partly because lithium mining alone requires 2 million litres of water per tonne and is environmentally destructive.
An EV has approximately 24 tons of CO2 manufacturing impact versus 12 tons for a conventional car, but an EV saves 3-4 tons of CO2 per year in use, meaning it takes roughly 3-4 years to offset the extra carbon cost if new materials are used; recycled materials dramatically reduce this payback period.
Shipping batteries and materials internationally is costly and unsustainable; keeping battery material processing in the UK ensures critical materials remain available domestically for battery manufacturers, improves resource security, and allows OEMs like JLR to design batteries for end-of-life recyclability from the start.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode contains a handful of genuinely useful data points and technical specifics (carbon lifecycle gap, graphite recycling gap, testing methodology, mineral water usage), but it is structured as a promotional case study for Project RECOVAS and the APC, so real insight competes with PR messaging and repetitive framing. Insight-per-minute is moderate at best.
the carbon impact of recycled battery materials whether that's aluminium, copper or the cobalt, manganese and lithium compounds is a fraction of the carbon impact of new materials
Once we can do that, which no one in the world is doing properly yet, then we can get to 95% recycling and that graphite is a valuable resource
The circular economy framing for EV batteries is broadly circulated industry consensus, and most of the episode reinforces rather than challenges conventional thinking. The graphite recycling gap and the remanufacturing-first hierarchy are the only moments of genuine non-obviousness; everything else is standard sustainability messaging.
The one missing element really is the graphite but we have R&D projects going with the University of Birmingham on that to recover battery grade graphite back
recycling in many ways is the last option. If you recycle something, it's much more work to get the value back out of it
The guest roster is genuinely practitioner-level: an MD of a £4bn metal recycler, JLR's Battery Circular Economy Lead, the strategic project manager of Europe's largest independent engine remanufacturer, and a Head of Sustainability at an active second-life operator. These are operators who have built real facilities and programmes, not career podcast guests, though all are speaking in a funded project promotional context.
EMR is the biggest metal and plastics recycler in the UK... Our sales are about £4bn a year and we're processing 10 million tons a year
we work for a battery OE directly and they found that when they were doing repairing the batteries in warranty for their customers they were getting about about 30% fallout rate... and since then we haven't had a single battery fallout
The episode is meaningfully specific by podcast standards: lifecycle carbon figures, a named 30%-to-zero fallout improvement, water consumption per tonne of lithium, testing time reduction from 8-10 hours to under one hour, 97% resource savings claim, and 70% residual battery capacity thresholds. Several numbers lack cited sources and the promotional framing raises some credibility questions, but the specificity is above average.
today a conventional car has a carbon impact from manufacturing of about 12 tons of co2 today an electric car about 24 tons of CO2
there's over two million litres of water required to remind one tonne of lithium... And that only makes 136 full vehicles
The journalist host poses almost exclusively leading and softening questions with no meaningful pushback on optimistic claims, no probing of timelines or business model risks, and a clear promotional mandate throughout. Questions like 'What's exciting for EMR?' and 'Is there anything else we should cover?' are emblematic of an unchallenging PR format.
I mean it's obviously one of the big criticisms of electric vehicles is what's going to happen to all these batteries at end of life
Just give us a quick snapshot of the future, what's exciting for EMR?
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
This collaborative R&D project was set up to build a new circular supply chain for electric vehicle (EV) batteries in the UK, by developing the infrastructure to collect and recycle EVs and their batteries. One of the repeated myths around EVs is that the batteries cannot be recycled, repaired or reused, and therefore end up in landfill. It’s not true. Batteries are far too valuable to consider being discarded. Not only can almost all the materials be recycled to make new batteries, they can also often be repaired to go back into a vehicle or given a second life as stationary storage. As more vehicles become electrified, greater volumes of batteries and battery materials are required, which will eventually reach end of life and be repurposed or recycled. Currently, end-of-life battery packs are shipped outside of the UK for treatment, at significant cost. Not only is this unsustainable, but it exports valuable metals which can be recovered for future use in the UK.
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Hello and welcome to The Road to Net Zero, a podcast from the Advanced Propulsion Centre. My name is Clem Silverman and today I'm introducing a case study on battery recycling. With government funding, the APC has supported a collaborative R&D project to investigate the end-to-end supply chain for electric vehicle batteries. Led by European Metal Recycling, EMR, the project could have some very significant impacts.
Our resident journalist David James has been out to tell us more about it. One of the biggest objections you hear people raise about electric vehicles is, what's going to happen to all those huge batteries when they reach end of life? With almost two and a half million electric and hybrid vehicles on the UK's roads already, and the mandate for all cars to be zero emission fast approaching, you could imagine there's an epic environmental problem waiting to happen. Well, as it turns out, end-of-life EV batteries are far too valuable to even consider dumping them into landfill.
Not only can nearly all the materials inside them be recycled to make new batteries, but they can also be repaired to go back into an EV or given a second life as a static storage solution. In this episode of The Road to Net Zero, we'll find out how the Advanced Propulsion Centre brought together a wide range of partners under Project Recovas to help develop a UK-based end-of-life battery supply chain. The objective? To build an entirely closed-loop circular economy that will eventually provide us with all the critical materials we'll need to build new electric vehicles here in the UK.
Is that just wishful thinking? Well, we went along to the new battery recycling facility in Birmingham, developed as part of Project Recovas, to meet with some of the project partners to find out. I first spoke to Matt Shillito, the APC's project delivery lead for Project Recovas, and asked why we needed a UK-based end-of-life supply chain for EV batteries. So at the moment, most vehicle batteries, when they reach the end of their life, ultimately get shipped abroad.
They get shredded to create the black mass, which includes all of the valuable chemicals that we want to retain. But currently, there isn't a lot of capacity in the UK to do that. So what we wanted to do was to create that circular supply chain right here in the UK. It makes it much more cost-effective.
It makes it much more sustainable because we're not shipping stuff around the world. And it means that our battery manufacturers have those materials available, you know, within our island already. So the automotive industry needs a supply of critical materials to build batteries for the cars. At the moment, we import those and then export them at end of life.
So Recovast creates that circular supply chain in the UK to retain those critical materials. These critical materials are so valuable that we want to ensure any that come into the UK stay in the UK. to be reused again and again. But that needs a brand new supply chain.
From an APC perspective, what we've done is enable much more of that supply chain to sort of take route here in the UK. And it's not just recycling, it's also reusing and repairing. So recycling in many ways is the last option. If you recycle something, it's much more work to get the value back out of it.
But ideally, we'd repair those batteries or reuse them in a different application. That's why Autocraft and Connected Energy have been really useful. The key value of Project Recovas was bringing together a diverse group of partners to create a powerful supply chain. Project Recovas was a really impactful project because it brought together a really diverse consortium.
It included the end-of-life vehicle battery handlers, so EMR, Auto Craft and Connected Energy, but then linked them up across the whole supply chain, even with the vehicle OEMs. So we had Jaguar Land Rover, BMW and Bentley. So alongside the end-of-life handlers, the OEMs, plus input from the likes of the HSE and the UK Battery Industrialisation Centre, it was great to get everyone round the table and jointly try and solve those problems around how we handle these batteries at the end of their life.
One of the most tangible outputs from Project Recovas is the new EV Battery Recycling Centre, built by EMR with the support of the APC. I got to talk to Roger Morton, the Managing Director for Innovation at EMR. Roger, just tell us about EMR as a company. EMR is the biggest metal and plastics recycler in the UK.
We recycle a really high proportion of the vehicles that reach end of life in this country. We're also active in North America and in Northern Europe. Our sales are about £4bn a year and we're processing 10 million tons a year of end-of-life products. Everything from an aluminium drinks can to an aircraft carrier.
Tell us about this facility here. This facility has been developed in response to the changing nature of end-of-life vehicles. We're all buying electric cars now, we can see them driving around and in the next 15 years they'll start to reach end-of-life. So the material stream that we process today of conventional cars is beginning to change and we need to get ready for that, which is why we've developed this facility with help from the Advanced Propulsion Centre and our investors.
So tell us about what you do here. What we do here is we take end-of-life battery packs from cars, stationary storage systems and any other source of batteries which have been taken out somewhere else in our network or from our clients premises and what we're doing here is we're testing them to see if they're suitable for reuse or remanufacturing for a second life. In those cases we pass them on to one of our partners, one of the partners that we've learned to work with in the Recovaz collaboration.
If it suitable only for recycling which is a material recovery what we have to do here is after we test them is to discharge them to make them safe because some of them are right up at 800 volts these days very very dangerous Once they been discharged it safe for us to open them up and separate them into modules because the largest size of single component that anyone can shred today is a module and we ship those modules out to our shredding partners within the UK and in Europe.
Longer term or medium term in fact our aim is to do that shredding here because that will simplify and shorten the supply chain and that's one of the things we've been developing in the Reekabus collaboration is understanding the technology of doing the business plan for how we're going to do that and we're expecting that to start quite soon. I mean it's obviously one of the big criticisms of electric vehicles is what's going to happen to all these batteries at end of life but also the amount of raw materials that it takes just talk about how the project's trying to solve that problem.
One of the things that we did in this project is we had UK Battery Industrialization Centre do a life cycle analysis on recycling on recycled materials from batteries and what it's indicating is you know today a conventional car has a carbon impact from manufacturing of about 12 tons of co2 today an electric car about 24 tons of CO2. Now that car saves three or four tons a year of CO2 emissions in use but it demonstrates that the extra 12 tons of carbon impact to build it takes three or four years to pay back.
What we're aiming for in the long term is for that new car to be almost zero carbon. Some of our partners that we work with in the UK are really trying very hard to get the carbon impact of new vehicles down and one of the best ways to do that is to use recovered materials because the carbon impact of recycled battery materials whether that's aluminium, copper or the cobalt, manganese and lithium compounds is a fraction of the carbon impact of new materials. So by recovering those materials we're reducing the carbon impact of new vehicles but also really important for us these days is resource security.
This resource of copper, aluminium, lithium etc is arising here in the UK, it's driving around on our roads, it's the urban mine. If we can capture that material here we can help the resource security of the UK as well as reducing the carbon impact of our automotive industry. Now I mean there's a lot of critics of electric vehicles really talk about the end of life is very dirty. How much of the battery is going to end up in landfill or be a pollutant somewhere in the world?
We're expecting that by the time we're really doing this properly in two or three years time 95% of a battery pack will be recyclable. We can already recycle the aluminium and copper and the black mass core active chemicals for a really high level and you can see around us here that we're recovering lots of those metals right now. The one missing element really is the graphite but we have R&D projects going with the University of Birmingham on that to recover battery grade graphite back.
Once we can do that, which no one in the world is doing properly yet, then we can get to 95% recycling and that graphite is a valuable resource alongside all the others. Obviously the OPC has helped with this project, just talk about Project Recovast, explain what it is and who's involved. A great benefit we find of these collaborative R&D projects is that they bring people together who are often suppliers and customers who are working with each other in a very transactional way and it gets us collaborating and talking about how we can work together to improve the circularity of our supply chain at a technical level in a way that we wouldn't normally.
So the grant funding from APC is tremendously helpful, it helps all of the wheels, but the greatest benefit we see are the new relationships we build up with our partners and we've got fantastic relationships now between the partners in this project as a result of this collaboration facilitated by APC. So we're working really closely with our reuse and remanufacturing partners at Autocraft and Connected Energy. We've got a great relationship now with the Health and Safety Executive who've been working with us really closely on developing our operating procedures and of course great relationships with the manufacturers like BMW and JLR and Bentley who we've been working with during this project and they're now starting to talk to us about designed for end of life to improve the recyclability of their packs and that's a huge step forward because we weren't in that sort of place when we started these discussions on RECOVAS four or five years ago.
What difference has it made having APC support? I think it's those facilitating the conversations and obviously the grant funding you know this facility we're standing in here was partly funded by APC's grant to the RECOVAS consortium and that made it much easier for us to get the approvals internally and I know that was the same for the other partners. I generally say with this kind of collaborative R&D funding it allows you to do something you wanted to do anyway but do it faster and to a higher standard and you can see we've got a really high standard facility here.
Just give us a quick snapshot of the future, what's exciting for EMR? What's exciting is we're starting to fill this facility and starting to think about expanding it further because the volumes are now growing and all the forecasts say from the APC and others that this is really going to take off in the next three or four years in terms of volume and that is now allowing us to justify investments in shredding capability. We've already made a minority investment in a black mass refining startup and we're expecting that once they've proven their process we'll be able to commercialize that here in the UK and improve the recovery of of cobalt, manganese, lithium from the black mass materials to what should be a world beating standard here in the UK.
So we've got big plans for bigger and better shredding facilities in the next three or four years One of the key benefits of Project Rekovas is providing UK based car manufacturers with the raw materials they need to make new EV batteries I got to ask Andrew Whitworth, the Battery Circular Economy Lead for Jaguar Land Rover, about why capturing the value of end-of-life batteries is so important. JLR, we take our battery circular economy very seriously. Circularity is an absolute cornerstone to our future net zero ambitions.
And so battery end of life is an area that JLR is really sort of putting a lot of effort into getting right and delivering what's right for the environment, delivering what's right for sustainability and also ensure that we are regulatory and legislatively compliant. Projects like RECOBAS have been fantastic in terms of spearheading that ecosystem collaboration around making circularity a reality. And with JLR opening up new production plants and our engineering facilities across the UK in our electrification ambition, ambition, RecoVas is an absolute cornerstone to turning that sort of circularity into a reality that we can all benefit from.
Talk about your responsibilities as an OEM. Batteries have a mixed reputation and it's generally born out of sort of lack of awareness of quite how they can work holistically in conjunction with legislation around us that the batteries are highly recyclable, you know 95% plus recyclable and recoverable with the materials within and that's where effectively the worries around cobalt and nickel and the supply chain sort of CO2 within it can be softened quite dramatically by creating some closed loop capabilities within the UK that with enough batteries and that battery end of life you effectively reduce the need for any virgin material by reducing, by reusing, by recovering and then re-implementing those into the circular economy.
And so yes it is legislation driven, yes there's a sustainable environmental benefit, but it's also from a circularity point of view, it's people, it's planet and its profit sort of nightly combined to effectively create a truly sustainable long-term economy both for the automotive companies but also sort of broader UK PLC. Do you think it's feasible? I mean that's the dream but getting to a 95% recyclable sustainable process for electric vehicles? Yeah I mean the science is there you know the facts are there and it is proven very widely in the broader sort of economy.
China and America have proven some closed-loop capabilities and some of our much bigger sort of OEMs are starting to truly deliver closed loop capabilities and so it's absolutely achievable and it's just trying to find the right ecosystem that that collaborative approach to make it happen that that JLR alone isn't going to effectively create closed loop without the support of projects like Recovast bringing together a partnership approach to ultimately you know closing that loop together.
But really we don't want to be disassembling and shredding end-of-life batteries we want to repair and reuse them as many times as possible before they're finally recycled. A Project Recovass partner that's delivering such a solution is Autocraft and I got to talk to their strategic project manager Phil Ridley. Phil tell me about Autocraft as a company. Autocraft so we're a remanufacturing and assembly organisation initially so we're around since the 70s originally doing remanufacture and assembly of engines for people like Ford, Jaguar Land Rover, Stellantis, lots of different OEMs across the UK and internationally as well.
We are the largest independent remanufacturer of engines in Europe, remanufacturing thousands of engines every month. And since about 2018, we've been branching off into EV and starting doing EV battery testing and remanufacturing, which we're now doing for several global OEMs in the UK and across Europe. That's a big change from internal combustion engines to batteries. how have you coped?
Yeah well really well to be honest I think so we got in quite early and before we really kind of dipped our feed into it commercially we started doing development work on that for years so we started off with some initial conversations with power electronics kind of battery kind of people as an initial kind of dip in and then we joined a Farrier challenge project called Calibre which is another government funded project which really helps us start developing our battery technology.
We brought in some lots of good people including our chief technology officer and other engineers from the world of fusion power cells and things like that. So hydrogen power cells, not fusion, that'll be very advanced tech. And then we've basically grown the business since then. So we joined this project four years ago now and at that point we're only doing you know some small development projects and since then it's kind of really exploded.
We've really massively developed our battery testing capability which is really the big thing with reman batteries are really not difficult bits of kit they're basically a big meccano set you know you undo a few bolts you take a few bits out and as long as they're not glued you know pretty much they're very easy especially compared to remanufacturing engines with hundreds of moving parts and loads of very very fine tolerances so we took a lot of the learning we had from that you know the pokey oak no fault forward kind of systems all mentioned reality systems and then obviously the battery testing which we've been able to develop a lot more thoroughly throughout with the R&D funding on the project to you know really really become a market leader in a market that didn't really exist a few years ago and that's basically through being able to test batteries incredibly quickly, being able to find faults incredibly well.
You know we work for a battery OE directly and they found that when they were doing repairing the batteries in warranty for their customers they were getting about about 30% fallout rate because their testing even though they make the cells and make the batteries was nowhere near as advanced as what we would be able to bring to the table and since then we haven't had a single battery fallout of that process so that's kind of really where it's kind of developed for us is small steps initially in developing some of the background technology around testing and around that sort of thing and then as soon as we brought it to market there was a humongous need I think the reason for that is all All vehicles have early line failures and failures in warranty, you know, whether it's in touch with a combustion engine or whatever.
But the difference between replacing an engine, which can cost you, you know, a thousand pounds or something, with a very well-established supply line and lots of different people in the market to produce the engines, to an industry where it basically oh here a third of the value of your car just broken It creates a big problem for the industry and for customers And so I think that where really we about to grow and expand really really rapidly in that area because we've filled the market needs and been able to do it at pace and accurately, which is the big thing.
So yeah, what do you do for OEMs? Instead of OEMs having to provide new batteries, which is environmentally damaging and also time consuming carbon intensive, what we do is we provide a remanufactured product as good as a new battery for a fraction of the price, meaning that customers have got lower insurance bills at the end of the day, because then I'm to have such high fees for this, and also providing a better, quicker, and more environmentally friendly solution. What do you do when a battery fails?
So what we do with the battery tails, firstly, is test it. So testing's a big thing with EV batteries, and what we've been able to develop is a really quick way of doing it in a very deep way. So before to find out what's really wrong with it, it would take you to charge it all the way up and all the way down, which can take eight to 10 hours. But instead of that, we've developed a test where in under an hour, we can plug into a battery and we can tell it onto a cell level, what's wrong with it.
So we can find out individual cells that failed. We can also tell if other cells around it are gonna fail as well. So you don't have to have your battery repaired back in a vehicle and then come back in six months. We can tell what's gonna fail in the future as well as what's going wrong now and remediate that by removing bad cells or improving the soldering on a power electronic or something like that, just to make sure that the battery goes back to a customer vehicle and they can be completely sure that it's gonna work.
Yeah. And in terms of the efficiency then, in a nutshell, what are you saving? You saving money and environmental impact? We save over 97% of the water, electricity, and carbon impact that you do by replacing it, which is the previous kind of state of play.
So in terms of environmental about it, it's huge. When you think about it, just in terms of things like mining of lithium, there's over two million litres of water required to remind one tonne of lithium. And that water's unusable afterwards. And that only makes 136 full vehicles.
So when you think about that kind of scale and scaled up for the amount of cars and vehicles on the road, just being able to just have that one part of it. So when one battery goes, you don't need another one. Having that happen three or four times throughout the life cycle of the vehicle where you can replace just the weaker cells. And then that battery's working again and again and again.
And we've seen this with customers. We've got customers who've got electric taxis. We see these vehicles do over 150, 200,000 kilometers. And the battery is still absolutely fine.
But with the replacement of the weaker cells as you go, just as you change the oil in your car, just as you've replaced your disc brakes, everything perpetuates that same way. If you can keep that material within the cycle and you can keep repairing the weaker cells, the weaker cells, the weaker cells, you get so much life out of these vehicles. If an EV battery gets to the point where it's not economically viable to repair it, it may still get a second life as a static storage solution, as Tanya Saxby, Head of Sustainability for Connected Energy, explained to me.
Tell me about Connected Energy. What do you do? So at Connected Energy, we repurpose second life electric vehicle batteries in stationary storage. At the moment, we've done that with a fairly small scale of a system with 24 batteries per system.
now we're looking at thousands of packs in our next space system and that's what we're currently designing. So one of the big criticisms about electric vehicles is, well, we're just going to be throwing away these batteries. How do you answer those kind of questions? When EV batteries come out of a car they'll often have 70% capacity left, which is obviously quite a big number.
We can then use those in-station storage to support the grid, so we're supporting EV chargers, solar panels, wind turbines, doing all of the net zero transition piece. we can extend the life of that for about several more years and that's kind of being a bit negative. We're actually seeing up to 10 years in our systems and then of course they can go on to recycling. By that point if we think about what the UK battery industry looks like in 10 years, Wishful Thinking will have a closed loop so we can retain those minerals, the things that we need to make new batteries and we can do it in the UK.
So an EV comes to the end of life, tell me the story from there. So at the moment we work with partners who test batteries for us and they will triage them. We will only accept batteries that have about 70%, we won't go less than that. We will then take it to our manufacturing plant, it will then be popped together, shipped off to our customer, plugged in and used to support their renewables.
So I guess if you've got an EV, some of them have got huge batteries in now, there's quite a lot of energy left. Yes, quite a lot. Because we're so far down the line, you know, we're looking at batteries that are already 10 years old. So especially the first EV batteries, imagine the first EV batteries that went on the road, you know, the Nissan Leafs, the Renu Kangas.
They are especially large and quite difficult to repackage. But yeah, it's so important that we reuse them and get as much value as we can out of them. Is there anything else that we should cover that we've not? I think going forwards in our world landscape, we have already committed to transition to EVs, which is absolutely great.
we're doing that to decarbonise. What is going to become even more important for the UK is retaining the minerals in the UK for geopolitical reasons. If we think about mining locations, they're war-torn and it's probably only going to get worse. So it's so important that the UK and the UK government supports the formation of a circular economy in the UK for EV batteries and the minerals.
Thank you for listening to this episode of The Road to Net Zero, brought to you by the Advanced Propulsion Centre. You can find out more about Project Recovas and the work of the APC in supporting the UK's transition to low carbon transport at apcuk.co.uk.
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