68: AI is making us dumber

1 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,320 Mitchell Davis: Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, CTO and Lara 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:12,880 Wood developer. 3 00:00:13,375 --> 00:00:16,735 Gavin Tye: Good day, Mitchell Davis. I'm Gavin Tye, CEO and 4 00:00:16,735 --> 00:00:17,855 sales and marketing. 5 00:00:18,895 --> 00:00:21,935 Mitchell Davis: We are into year two of running a remote starter, 6 00:00:21,935 --> 00:00:25,215 sixsides.co, which is a community led events platform. 7 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:28,630 We're documenting both the business and tech of our journey 8 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:32,070 as we build our SaaS. How are going, mate? 9 00:00:32,470 --> 00:00:34,710 Gavin Tye: Mate, you need to put a little bit more pizzazz into 10 00:00:34,710 --> 00:00:37,510 that intro. You can tell you're reading off a script. We're 11 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:41,445 doing a second year of, try it again. Read it again. Just and 12 00:00:41,445 --> 00:00:44,485 and think like you're you're on a game show. 13 00:00:46,245 --> 00:00:50,325 Mitchell Davis: Okay. We are into year two of running a 14 00:00:50,325 --> 00:00:55,070 remote starter, and it's called sixsides.co. You should check it 15 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:59,310 out. It's a community led events platform. And on this show, 16 00:00:59,390 --> 00:01:03,150 we're documenting the business and tech of our journey. 17 00:01:03,470 --> 00:01:04,430 How are you going, mate? 18 00:01:08,975 --> 00:01:11,055 Gavin Tye: I don't know how you got that twang in your voice, 19 00:01:11,055 --> 00:01:15,375 but mate, more than reading off a script, mate, I'm doing really 20 00:01:15,375 --> 00:01:18,895 well. I'm doing really well. Thank you. Excellent. Yep. 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,280 How's how's life going in your neck of the woods in developer 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,040 land? It's crap. With your little community. 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,000 Mitchell Davis: You've thrown me off here. Yeah. My little 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,840 community. I'm good. Things are good. 25 00:01:33,495 --> 00:01:36,935 Things have been going pretty well with development on the 26 00:01:36,935 --> 00:01:40,215 mobile app, and I'll I'll talk about that more later. But we've 27 00:01:40,215 --> 00:01:44,695 got an interesting one to kick the show off. We had a meeting 28 00:01:44,695 --> 00:01:50,410 this morning with someone, and it was okay, but they were a bit 29 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:54,170 more negative on our idea, on our business than we might 30 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:57,530 Gavin Tye: have hater. Right? First hater. Yeah. And, he's 31 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:58,810 like, oh, I've never seen it work. 32 00:01:58,810 --> 00:02:01,610 I've never seen people stick around in an app before, and, I 33 00:02:01,610 --> 00:02:04,045 don't see what you do different to some others. I was like, 34 00:02:04,045 --> 00:02:07,805 okay. Thank you. I had to push back a little bit on him and I 35 00:02:07,805 --> 00:02:09,805 was like, man, if we saw the world like you, we wouldn't have 36 00:02:09,805 --> 00:02:12,525 started the business. He's like, yeah, it's a fair call. 37 00:02:12,685 --> 00:02:13,725 Yeah. Yeah. 38 00:02:13,725 --> 00:02:16,125 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. It was good. It was like, it was a bit 39 00:02:16,125 --> 00:02:18,840 eye opening, but it was also like, okay, Let's just get off 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,720 this call. Like, clearly, there's nothing here. Let's go. 41 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,880 And then it was good. I could see you you weren't you weren't 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,840 rude or anything, but you were, like, asserting your point back 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,200 against him, and that was kind of fun. It was satisfying to 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,755 watch. So it was, but we 45 00:02:33,755 --> 00:02:38,395 Gavin Tye: only look at those. We've always known this, that 46 00:02:38,395 --> 00:02:42,955 some events platforms or some platforms do service parts of 47 00:02:42,955 --> 00:02:45,835 the site, like sides of an event community and the bigger ones 48 00:02:45,835 --> 00:02:49,560 like events, air and Cvent, they are made for event organizers. 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,960 Right. And what we're trying to do is yes, help them, but also 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,920 help the other side. So, and he just wasn't thinking about the 51 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:57,480 audience. 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,360 They have a different, they have a model that's clearly working 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:06,535 in their business. And, yeah, it's alright. I'm, every now and 54 00:03:06,535 --> 00:03:09,815 then you get them and it tests your resolve and you're yeah. 55 00:03:09,815 --> 00:03:10,535 Yeah. Yeah. 56 00:03:10,535 --> 00:03:13,335 I'm glad I didn't meet him, like, within the first week of 57 00:03:13,335 --> 00:03:15,175 us beginning deciding to set it up. 58 00:03:15,175 --> 00:03:17,890 Mitchell Davis: It would've been. Yeah. It might have been a 59 00:03:17,890 --> 00:03:22,770 bit more, detrimental to our optimism. Yeah. Anyway. 60 00:03:22,770 --> 00:03:24,930 Gavin Tye: But it's alright. It doesn't matter, mate. I've seen 61 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:27,490 a lot of I've come across a lot of haters in certain things, 62 00:03:27,490 --> 00:03:30,130 especially in sales market fit. I get them all the time. Right? 63 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:30,850 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. So, 64 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:34,785 Gavin Tye: you've just gotta, the gold is in the cracks of 65 00:03:34,785 --> 00:03:40,705 what people miss. So, right. If everyone saw it, mate, put that 66 00:03:40,705 --> 00:03:41,665 on a t shirt. 67 00:03:41,665 --> 00:03:44,065 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Jesus. That's our new slogan or 68 00:03:44,065 --> 00:03:44,945 something. Wow. 69 00:03:44,945 --> 00:03:48,560 Gavin Tye: The gold is in the cracks that people miss. Yep. 70 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Sounds a bit rude. Right? 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,480 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Yeah. It's got some other connotations to 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,840 it. Anyway, we'll we'll we'll workshop it. Anyway, we got 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,200 something here about new habits. 74 00:04:03,575 --> 00:04:06,695 So this is fitness related. Walk us through it. 75 00:04:06,695 --> 00:04:09,415 Gavin Tye: All sorts of things. You know, the saying old habits 76 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:13,655 die hard. I think the inverse of that is new habits die hard, die 77 00:04:13,655 --> 00:04:14,295 easy. 78 00:04:14,455 --> 00:04:15,495 Mitchell Davis: Right? Easy. 79 00:04:15,495 --> 00:04:18,660 Gavin Tye: Yeah. So we've moved, we've moved house. Like we're in 80 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:23,140 our second week here and Mel last night come home and she's 81 00:04:23,140 --> 00:04:26,740 like, you're not doing anything. And I'm like, and I was thinking 82 00:04:26,740 --> 00:04:30,555 about it for a while, like it's unpacking and stuff. And I was 83 00:04:30,555 --> 00:04:33,675 like, oh, the house is a bit of a mess, but it's the new norm 84 00:04:33,675 --> 00:04:33,995 here. 85 00:04:33,995 --> 00:04:37,755 And I haven't really paid attention to it. I was like, oh, 86 00:04:37,755 --> 00:04:41,755 that's the way it's always been. And especially with going to the 87 00:04:41,755 --> 00:04:43,995 gym and all that kind of stuff as well, I've had a complete 88 00:04:43,995 --> 00:04:48,610 change in habit or circumstance and all my habits are kind of 89 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:51,490 starting from scratch again. And I've really gotta start trying 90 00:04:51,490 --> 00:04:54,530 to build them out one at a time. Like, I'm not even getting up 91 00:04:54,530 --> 00:04:55,250 early anymore. 92 00:04:55,250 --> 00:04:57,090 Like all my good habits have just gone. 93 00:04:57,845 --> 00:05:01,285 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Right. Wow. That's rare for you. When 94 00:05:01,285 --> 00:05:02,405 are you getting up then? 95 00:05:02,565 --> 00:05:06,245 Gavin Tye: Oh, it's two. I'm like 05:00. It's it's two. It's 96 00:05:06,245 --> 00:05:06,405 two 97 00:05:06,405 --> 00:05:07,445 Mitchell Davis: four. Right? 98 00:05:07,525 --> 00:05:10,405 Gavin Tye: Yeah. In some days I have a sleeping on a Thursday 99 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:13,780 when Mel goes to work, but generally I'll try to get up 100 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:19,700 early. I'll get up today at 04:30. It's, I've got to start 101 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:22,340 building the habits, the foundational habits from the, 102 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:26,415 from the beginning, from the start around this new house and 103 00:05:26,415 --> 00:05:29,455 the new environment. So it's a really interesting insight I had 104 00:05:29,455 --> 00:05:29,935 today. 105 00:05:29,935 --> 00:05:35,375 I was talking to Mel about it and, I'm gonna plan out 106 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:38,700 everything. The next, the next thing we're talking about is 107 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:41,660 juggling multiple balls. Right? Like I've got so much on like 108 00:05:41,660 --> 00:05:46,060 you do. And I've got them in my head, need to start listing them 109 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:46,300 out. 110 00:05:48,185 --> 00:05:51,385 Like each thing I need to do in order of each of these big rocks 111 00:05:51,385 --> 00:05:54,345 that I've got to do. And I even thought it thinking that 112 00:05:54,345 --> 00:05:58,745 logically, if I've got five big rocks and I've got seven steps 113 00:05:58,745 --> 00:06:02,330 in each thing, which is 30 tasks I've got to do. Right. I could 114 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:06,090 just do three of them a day across all six. And then after 115 00:06:06,090 --> 00:06:07,290 ten days it'd be all done. 116 00:06:07,290 --> 00:06:10,570 But instead I don't do anything and just get overwhelmed. So can 117 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:10,810 be a 118 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:12,890 Mitchell Davis: bit yeah, exactly. Overwhelming is the 119 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:17,785 right word. Yeah. And it is hard with with habits. Like, for us, 120 00:06:17,785 --> 00:06:21,305 we would speaking of, house getting dirty and whatever, we 121 00:06:21,305 --> 00:06:25,225 would, just let the Convert you see it? 122 00:06:25,225 --> 00:06:30,185 No. We would let the kitchen become a bit of a mess and like, 123 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,780 okay. All it takes is like two nights of not having done any 124 00:06:34,780 --> 00:06:37,180 washing up or whatever, and the kitchen is just a complete mess. 125 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:38,060 Right? Yep. 126 00:06:38,060 --> 00:06:42,620 And then I would typically on Sundays, I would get in and do 127 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:45,900 like a complete kitchen clean, right, and get it back to 128 00:06:46,435 --> 00:06:53,875 spotless. And I've started a new habit of like, no, every day I 129 00:06:53,875 --> 00:06:56,835 will go in and just clean whatever needs to be done. Just 130 00:06:56,835 --> 00:06:59,235 like a you know? And it's always it's only okay. It's a couple 131 00:06:59,235 --> 00:07:00,275 pots and pans, whatever. 132 00:07:01,550 --> 00:07:04,350 Take care of the dishwasher, all of that. And then now it's 133 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:08,110 working. So, like, our kitchen is staying clean, and it's just 134 00:07:08,110 --> 00:07:12,430 such a better mindset, you know, to walk into a clean house. It 135 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:15,950 feels heaps better. So, yeah, I'm trying to do that and form 136 00:07:15,950 --> 00:07:19,435 that as a habit and, you know, just do a little cleanup after 137 00:07:19,435 --> 00:07:19,755 dinner. 138 00:07:19,755 --> 00:07:23,435 It only takes a couple minutes versus like two hours sometimes 139 00:07:23,435 --> 00:07:26,875 of get in and completely redo the kitchen. It's a nightmare. 140 00:07:26,875 --> 00:07:29,995 Gavin Tye: So Oh, a 100%. Our house is clean. Like, we clean 141 00:07:30,075 --> 00:07:32,810 do the we don't have the problem with the dishes and stuff. Mel 142 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:36,170 would not live with that. It's just the boxes that are around 143 00:07:36,170 --> 00:07:42,170 and we just, anyway, we've gotta, but it's like, gotta get 144 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:44,250 back on track and like, oh, it's interesting now. 145 00:07:44,250 --> 00:07:47,210 I'm trying to pay attention to habits a bit more and all this 146 00:07:47,210 --> 00:07:50,785 kind of stuff and just can't be wasting time. Right? I don't 147 00:07:50,785 --> 00:07:53,585 have the luxury of it. So, it's, 148 00:07:54,385 --> 00:07:58,705 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Well, for me on, fitness habits wise, I 149 00:07:58,705 --> 00:08:01,425 have been going to the gym a couple times a week. You 150 00:08:01,425 --> 00:08:02,385 Gavin Tye: look massive, Matt. 151 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,760 Mitchell Davis: Thank you. I look massive, not in a good way. 152 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Gavin Tye: In a good 153 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,800 Mitchell Davis: no. No. Not yet. Not yet in a good way. Yeah. 154 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,675 I'm I'm working on that. I've struggled really hard to find 155 00:08:15,675 --> 00:08:20,315 the same motivation as what I had pre wedding. And you and I 156 00:08:20,315 --> 00:08:23,275 spoke about that this week of, like, it's just really hard. If 157 00:08:23,275 --> 00:08:23,675 you don't have 158 00:08:23,675 --> 00:08:23,835 Gavin Tye: a 159 00:08:23,835 --> 00:08:28,075 Mitchell Davis: goal, at least for me, I find that really hard 160 00:08:28,075 --> 00:08:32,510 to get in and just apply that have that motivation just in 161 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:37,230 general every day. And you mentioned something as well, for 162 00:08:37,230 --> 00:08:41,310 yourself. It's it can be similar. But, yeah, I I just 163 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:46,595 wanted to update on that I am doing what I said I was gonna 164 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:52,355 do. I I wanna do more and push myself further, but, you know, 165 00:08:52,355 --> 00:08:56,450 there's a lot of things going on that's just I'm I'm feeling okay 166 00:08:56,450 --> 00:08:58,130 with where I'm at with the fitness. 167 00:08:58,130 --> 00:09:02,130 It's just it's not to the level of what I was pre wedding. Yep. 168 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:06,130 Gavin Tye: Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Okay. So I've I've thought about 169 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:09,165 that yesterday, like, when we had a conversation about I do 170 00:09:09,165 --> 00:09:12,205 work good to goals, but I'm more like, and I'm also trying to 171 00:09:12,205 --> 00:09:13,805 build habits. 172 00:09:13,805 --> 00:09:17,885 I was after we got off the phone yesterday, what the background 173 00:09:17,885 --> 00:09:22,445 of the conversation was is when I've done things like train for 174 00:09:22,445 --> 00:09:25,580 an Ironman or half Ironman, that's, I don't wanna give it 175 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:29,260 away and sound like I'm more fit than I am or a half marathon, 176 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:34,380 then I do do my training and I do hit the training goals and 177 00:09:34,380 --> 00:09:38,825 then be able to compete. But I'm also trying to form foundations 178 00:09:38,825 --> 00:09:42,585 of going to the gym three or four times a week. And so after 179 00:09:42,585 --> 00:09:45,625 I got off the phone last night, I was like, I'm going to go have 180 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:49,065 a look at the there's a, there's a ride from Brisbane to the Gold 181 00:09:49,065 --> 00:09:53,740 Coast. It's a 100 K bike ride and it's very achievable for me 182 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:56,860 to do it, but I just have to do some training. Like I can't, I 183 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:59,500 couldn't get on a bike and do it tomorrow, but it's not that hard 184 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:00,140 to do. 185 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:03,500 And I talked to Mel this morning and I was like, I should, I 186 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:06,060 should do that. And she's like, yeah, do it. Cause it goes right 187 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:10,935 past our house almost. And so I was thinking about that just 188 00:10:10,935 --> 00:10:15,495 before, like, and I just had a look, maybe looking at something 189 00:10:15,495 --> 00:10:18,535 for yourself, like, like trying to find something that's like a 190 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:24,600 walk, like a 50 ks walk, like, and just go or a 30 ks walk, 191 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,080 whatever it is, just do something that you can't do 192 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,400 today. You couldn't do it today. 193 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,880 You'd have to do some training for a couple months to be able 194 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,240 to achieve it. 50 ks walk is not that hard. It's only about eight 195 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,165 hours. But you can't, everything gets difficult after 50 Ks. But 196 00:10:41,165 --> 00:10:44,845 50 Ks is achievable if you do some walking for a few months. 197 00:10:45,325 --> 00:10:45,645 Right. 198 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:50,480 Mitchell Davis: Eight hours. Are you sure? 50? Yeah. Divide by 199 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,040 eight. 200 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,080 Gavin Tye: You'd be about six k's 201 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Mitchell Davis: an Yeah. Six k's an hour for eight hours. Wow. 202 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,600 That's a lot. I was thinking this morning about how pre 203 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,560 wedding and I was doing those long walks and I got to I think 204 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,095 my longest one was like twelve, thirteen, 14 k, something like 205 00:11:06,095 --> 00:11:06,495 that. 206 00:11:06,495 --> 00:11:10,495 Think about that. That's a fair walk. Like, that's pretty good. 207 00:11:10,735 --> 00:11:11,295 You know? 208 00:11:11,375 --> 00:11:14,415 Gavin Tye: Mate, you can't live you can't live on yesterday, 209 00:11:14,415 --> 00:11:17,150 mate. You gotta Can't live in the past. Yeah. Come on, man. 210 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:18,270 Mitchell Davis: No, I know, mate. You 211 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:20,510 Gavin Tye: didn't have to walk today, Mitch. That you did the 212 00:11:20,510 --> 00:11:23,710 twelve or thirteen k's a few months ago, six months ago. 213 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:26,350 You're harming yourself. You've already done it, mate. Just go 214 00:11:26,350 --> 00:11:27,310 have a burger. 215 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:31,285 Yeah. Is that what you wanted? Is that what you 216 00:11:31,285 --> 00:11:34,085 Mitchell Davis: wanted? I don't want that. No. But just like 217 00:11:34,085 --> 00:11:37,125 thinking about, wow, that's actually, that's pretty far, you 218 00:11:37,125 --> 00:11:37,765 know? Yep. 219 00:11:38,165 --> 00:11:38,805 Gavin Tye: It is. 220 00:11:38,805 --> 00:11:41,845 Mitchell Davis: I don't know. Yeah. With the whole 50 k's, I 221 00:11:41,845 --> 00:11:44,430 don't know. I'm not sure. That sounds like a lot, but yes. 222 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:44,990 Find yourself 223 00:11:44,990 --> 00:11:48,590 Gavin Tye: a challenge. That's a few months away, book it in and 224 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:49,870 then work towards it. 225 00:11:50,590 --> 00:11:52,830 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 226 00:11:52,830 --> 00:11:57,470 Well on fitness actually, over the weekend I went and played 227 00:11:57,470 --> 00:12:00,765 pickleball for the first time ever. That was a bit of fun. 228 00:12:00,845 --> 00:12:01,485 Gavin Tye: Was it? 229 00:12:01,805 --> 00:12:03,805 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. It was fun. We played for two hours, 230 00:12:03,805 --> 00:12:06,445 and we're gonna start doing, we played with some friends of 231 00:12:06,445 --> 00:12:11,325 Nicole and I. And, yeah, we're gonna start doing that, once a 232 00:12:11,325 --> 00:12:13,885 fortnight. So we'll go not this weekend, but the next one. 233 00:12:15,250 --> 00:12:18,450 And, yeah, go go play for a couple hours. It's really fun. 234 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:21,090 So if you've never given it a try, give it a try. It's pretty 235 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:22,210 cool. Yeah. 236 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:25,650 It's just like small tennis is is the vibe. 237 00:12:26,610 --> 00:12:32,225 Gavin Tye: Pretty fun. I have been talking to Roman, about 238 00:12:32,225 --> 00:12:35,345 going to do it. So we we said, yes, let's do it. We just gotta 239 00:12:35,345 --> 00:12:37,745 find it find a time to do it. So yeah. 240 00:12:37,745 --> 00:12:40,865 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Have fun. Well, this was we there were 241 00:12:40,865 --> 00:12:44,065 five of us and it's a four up to four people on the court. So we 242 00:12:44,065 --> 00:12:47,890 did a bit of a rotating system for, who was gonna like keep 243 00:12:47,890 --> 00:12:49,570 score. That was good. 244 00:12:49,570 --> 00:12:52,930 Would it just be you and Roman going? Probably bring you yeah. 245 00:12:52,930 --> 00:12:53,330 Okay. 246 00:12:53,330 --> 00:12:55,570 Gavin Tye: Yeah. Yeah. I won't be taking kids, mate. Not a 247 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:56,130 chance. 248 00:12:56,130 --> 00:12:58,290 Mitchell Davis: No. No. No. But, yeah, your partners at least 249 00:12:58,290 --> 00:12:59,650 like to fill out a four. 250 00:13:00,085 --> 00:13:02,485 Gavin Tye: Yeah. But then what do you do with the kids? Yeah. 251 00:13:02,485 --> 00:13:05,925 Like, if it's only a little mini court, what do you if you need a 252 00:13:05,925 --> 00:13:08,485 partner, then it's true. Yep. 253 00:13:08,485 --> 00:13:09,285 True. I don't what 254 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:16,770 Mitchell Davis: what am I being what am I being offended with? 255 00:13:16,770 --> 00:13:18,690 Gavin Tye: Like, because you're not fit enough to get across a 256 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:21,170 small pickleball court, so you need a partner to cover the 257 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:21,810 other side. 258 00:13:22,050 --> 00:13:24,450 Mitchell Davis: Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. Okay. Alright, mate. 259 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:28,195 I'll have you know, I used to walk 12 to 14 Ks on a daily. 260 00:13:28,195 --> 00:13:32,275 Gavin Tye: Six months ago. Like, that fitness is still lingering. 261 00:13:32,275 --> 00:13:34,835 Like I can walk up the stairs. Yep. Fair enough. 262 00:13:34,835 --> 00:13:37,635 Mitchell Davis: I can. I can walk up the stairs. Thank you. 263 00:13:37,715 --> 00:13:40,440 Gavin Tye: Yep. Yep. Brilliant. Yeah. Okay. 264 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,600 You should have said that in that meeting before. Maybe you 265 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,600 wouldn't have hated as much. Yeah. 266 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,520 Mitchell Davis: Oh fuck. Anyway. Okay. Mate, what 267 00:13:50,835 --> 00:13:53,155 Gavin Tye: are the balls nuts and guts of it, Hank. 268 00:13:53,155 --> 00:13:56,435 Mitchell Davis: Well, into the balls of it specifically. What 269 00:13:56,435 --> 00:13:59,555 are what are these multiple balls that you're juggling? 270 00:14:00,195 --> 00:14:03,720 Gavin Tye: Yeah. So look, I've got lots of different things 271 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,000 going on at the moment. I need, I'm paying attention to Deal 272 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Buddy. Like I've got a, we originally hired our team, our 273 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,895 marketing team to split across six sides and Deal Buddy. And we 274 00:14:15,895 --> 00:14:17,495 haven't been doing that too much. 275 00:14:17,495 --> 00:14:21,415 So now we're starting to push into helping people with their 276 00:14:21,415 --> 00:14:24,775 sales strategy. Right? Like I've got to still fund, I still think 277 00:14:24,775 --> 00:14:27,495 we're going to be funding us for another twelve months at least. 278 00:14:28,055 --> 00:14:34,430 And, and I just can't be just meeting, meeting the line with 279 00:14:34,430 --> 00:14:37,470 family revenue. And we just moved into this new house as 280 00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:37,710 well. 281 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:42,965 So I've got to actually pay attention to it. Yep. We want to 282 00:14:42,965 --> 00:14:46,565 set up a new community, which we've done in, school as well. 283 00:14:46,565 --> 00:14:50,085 So side note, if anyone wants to join our school community, we're 284 00:14:50,085 --> 00:14:52,885 going to start adding to it in the coming weeks. So Mitch will 285 00:14:52,885 --> 00:14:54,405 put a link in the show notes for that. 286 00:14:55,930 --> 00:14:59,530 Anyone who's thinking about growing a community or, 287 00:14:59,850 --> 00:15:02,330 supporting a community, that's what we'd be adding content in 288 00:15:02,330 --> 00:15:07,370 there. But I'm probably gonna need to do the same for deal 289 00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:10,250 buddy or, or sales for founders and all that kind of stuff is 290 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:14,595 support them, do the same thing. Right. And, or salespeople, 291 00:15:15,075 --> 00:15:17,635 which wouldn't be a bad thing to do anyway, because any good 292 00:15:17,635 --> 00:15:20,195 salespeople we could hire. Right. 293 00:15:20,195 --> 00:15:24,530 Sure. In time. So yeah, we've got that. We've got to turn on 294 00:15:24,530 --> 00:15:27,090 different lead generation engines. Like I think we'll 295 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:29,970 start recording videos for six sides and deal buddy. 296 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:34,610 I've got about already there is six things plus closing out 297 00:15:34,610 --> 00:15:39,955 sales of what we've got on now. Which is overwhelming to be 298 00:15:39,955 --> 00:15:42,435 honest. And then we've the house stuff here. I've got lots of 299 00:15:42,435 --> 00:15:49,075 stuff going on. So it's, I mean, yeah, finding myself in a bit of 300 00:15:49,075 --> 00:15:52,115 analysis paralysis this week, like sitting around, like even 301 00:15:52,115 --> 00:15:55,780 to the point I was like yesterday, I'm like, I don't 302 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:57,380 think I'm good mentally at the moment. 303 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,980 Then, and that did took took me a little bit time to realize 304 00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:03,140 that. I'm like, okay, I need to figure out a plan. 305 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:08,275 Mitchell Davis: Yep. Yep. Yeah. I think we're both kind of we're 306 00:16:08,275 --> 00:16:12,275 both in this mode at the moment, it seems, of dealing with, like, 307 00:16:12,275 --> 00:16:18,995 our own struggles a bit. And it's probably a big part of it 308 00:16:18,995 --> 00:16:24,650 is like this is it's a lot of responsibility of managing a 309 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:27,530 team and doing all of these things all at once. 310 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:30,170 We've got commitments, big important commitments with the 311 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:33,770 police games. We're also trying to get other customers and big 312 00:16:33,770 --> 00:16:38,545 customers ideally dealing with funding, dealing with like, 313 00:16:38,785 --> 00:16:42,305 yeah, it was just, there's just a lot. It's an it's a whole lot 314 00:16:42,305 --> 00:16:45,825 of new stuff that we've taken on all at once. Plus then personal 315 00:16:45,825 --> 00:16:49,105 things like, yeah, you moving house and yeah. 316 00:16:49,105 --> 00:16:52,065 Gavin Tye: We're also six months through the year. We're almost, 317 00:16:54,420 --> 00:16:57,460 which we're, it's easy to forget that we're halfway through the 318 00:16:57,460 --> 00:17:04,660 year. Right. Been going, pretty, pretty hard. So I do think we're 319 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:08,415 going through a big, both of us are going through a big period 320 00:17:08,415 --> 00:17:09,935 of growth at the moment. 321 00:17:10,255 --> 00:17:14,735 Yeah. It's a little bit beyond us wise in with our current 322 00:17:14,735 --> 00:17:18,015 skill set. So we need to get better at it and otherwise we'll 323 00:17:18,015 --> 00:17:22,110 burn out. So, Yeah. It's just an evolution. 324 00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:26,750 I've got a plan, I think, on how to, fix it. So I'm gonna work on 325 00:17:26,750 --> 00:17:29,310 the juggling the multiple balls this week, and then I'll report 326 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:33,390 back on my solution and how I've implemented a plan to fix it. 327 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:36,615 So, Yeah. Sounds good. I'll let you move 328 00:17:36,615 --> 00:17:39,495 Mitchell Davis: that up. Fingers crossed you can. Yeah. Cool. 329 00:17:40,215 --> 00:17:44,935 Final point here on your side of the fence, a six month marketing 330 00:17:44,935 --> 00:17:45,575 project. 331 00:17:46,215 --> 00:17:47,095 That sounds It 332 00:17:47,895 --> 00:17:49,415 Gavin Tye: does. Doesn't it? Sounds really interesting. 333 00:17:49,790 --> 00:17:50,670 Mitchell Davis: It does. 334 00:17:52,350 --> 00:17:58,350 Gavin Tye: So basically we've been, we've been just doing 335 00:17:58,350 --> 00:18:01,710 random marketing stuff on LinkedIn without really a plan. 336 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:09,365 Just try to build awareness. Right? And so what I'm thinking 337 00:18:09,365 --> 00:18:14,965 we should do is write like a, for instance, like a, it 338 00:18:14,965 --> 00:18:21,420 culminates in a white paper and something like the top 20 339 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:24,620 innovative ideas to raise funds for your community or raise 340 00:18:24,620 --> 00:18:26,780 funds for your charity or something like that. Right. 341 00:18:26,780 --> 00:18:34,105 And, it will involve researching the top 20 companies, trying to 342 00:18:34,105 --> 00:18:38,025 reach out to their head, like fundraiser or their events 343 00:18:38,025 --> 00:18:42,505 person, us, get them to talk about what they've done, how 344 00:18:42,505 --> 00:18:47,460 they got to that approach, some lessons, but also be 345 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:50,980 broadcasting that in the six sides community channel so we 346 00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:54,740 can get people to come into the channel and add value. Yep. But 347 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:58,260 if we can ask people those questions, one, we can develop a 348 00:18:58,260 --> 00:19:01,700 webinar. Two, we can make a podcast out of it. Three, we can 349 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,595 write a blog post, or a long form piece of content on our 350 00:19:05,595 --> 00:19:06,315 website. 351 00:19:06,555 --> 00:19:10,075 We can write mini LinkedIn posts from it. And then at the end it 352 00:19:10,075 --> 00:19:14,875 can culminate in evaluating piece of content. Plus I think 353 00:19:14,875 --> 00:19:17,915 we could probably do some more backlinking and all that kind of 354 00:19:17,915 --> 00:19:23,460 stuff with the post to each other and all that stuff. So, I 355 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:23,700 do 356 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,780 Mitchell Davis: think- This is the change makers pod, right? 357 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:27,700 That's the idea behind it. 358 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,020 Gavin Tye: Yeah. Well, it's been parked, but yes, it will 359 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:33,175 probably fall under change makers or the six sides, 360 00:19:33,175 --> 00:19:36,775 whatever it is. Yeah. But I think we can hang our head on 361 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:41,415 that and then develop a plan for the next six months and then the 362 00:19:41,415 --> 00:19:44,215 team can help us execute it. And then I'll probably just do the 363 00:19:44,215 --> 00:19:45,175 same for deal buddy too. 364 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:48,830 Right? Something that some but it gives us a north star to aim 365 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:50,910 at instead of just trying to produce content. 366 00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:55,710 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Yeah. And it's a good idea to get on the 367 00:19:55,710 --> 00:20:00,635 radar of like big organisations that do fit our ICP. 368 00:20:01,035 --> 00:20:04,155 Gavin Tye: There you go. That's in, that's the secondary reason 369 00:20:04,155 --> 00:20:07,595 as well. We want to add value first, but hopefully the law of 370 00:20:07,595 --> 00:20:10,875 reciprocity will open up and then we will get, they will 371 00:20:10,875 --> 00:20:12,955 become aware of us and then they'll want to have 372 00:20:12,955 --> 00:20:15,970 conversations and hopefully we might get some business out of 373 00:20:15,970 --> 00:20:19,170 it. But if not, we will use it for marketing content and get 374 00:20:19,170 --> 00:20:20,850 exposure. Yeah. 375 00:20:21,410 --> 00:20:24,850 So I'm going to develop, that's one of the big rocks that I want 376 00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:31,035 to, one of the big things I want to do now, the, the we'll talk 377 00:20:31,035 --> 00:20:33,355 about how I'm gonna do that later because it's one of the 378 00:20:33,355 --> 00:20:36,315 topics you wanna talk about is AI, but I'll talk about how I 379 00:20:36,315 --> 00:20:39,595 wanna do that in a way that's authentic. Sure. 380 00:20:41,030 --> 00:20:44,630 Mitchell Davis: Okay. Well, before we get into that, little 381 00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:51,430 update. So last week, we put my, the engineering team onto some 382 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:56,215 research projects. So we asked them to go away and look at 383 00:20:56,455 --> 00:21:03,895 ticketing solutions, event websites, and registration for 384 00:21:03,895 --> 00:21:08,510 events and go kind of do a bit of a survey of the land. Like, 385 00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:09,310 what's out there? 386 00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:11,310 How are people pricing these things? What's the 387 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:14,910 functionality, etcetera, and give you and I some stuff to 388 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:18,830 think about so that when it comes time for us to start 389 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:21,070 building those features, we've already got it. We got the 390 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:21,710 layered plan. 391 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:21,870 Gavin Tye: Right? 392 00:21:22,735 --> 00:21:25,935 Mitchell Davis: And so, they've completed that work and and done 393 00:21:25,935 --> 00:21:31,135 a pretty, pretty good job. So that was awesome. It was fun to 394 00:21:32,015 --> 00:21:34,815 get them away from just writing code. Like, didn't write any 395 00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:39,950 code for a week basically. And I think they appreciated that it 396 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:43,150 was a bit more it was novel, you know, it was something 397 00:21:43,150 --> 00:21:43,710 different. 398 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:48,750 And it's not like we'll ask them to do this often, but I could 399 00:21:48,750 --> 00:21:52,365 see us asking them to do this a couple more times if we've got 400 00:21:52,365 --> 00:21:54,365 some other big swings that we wanna take. 401 00:21:54,845 --> 00:21:57,965 Gavin Tye: I think it's be interesting to get them to go, 402 00:21:59,245 --> 00:22:02,285 find it, hunt it, kill it, skin it. Right? Like from the 403 00:22:02,285 --> 00:22:07,380 beginning to end, like, like they do it the whole thing. Too 404 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:09,220 too many hunting analogies there. 405 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:12,500 Mitchell Davis: To Yeah. That level. 406 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:15,540 Gavin Tye: Your little developer community that may be green or 407 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:16,820 or liberal. They don't 408 00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:21,135 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 409 00:22:22,095 --> 00:22:25,855 Yeah. I it it was interesting to go from start to finish on that 410 00:22:25,855 --> 00:22:28,975 and then, yeah, prepare a piece of content for you and I to go 411 00:22:28,975 --> 00:22:32,015 and review and update the way we're thinking about certain 412 00:22:32,015 --> 00:22:35,980 things. Like, it's pretty cool. It's a cool cool project to have 413 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:40,060 them do. So, yeah, we're not ready to execute on any of that 414 00:22:40,060 --> 00:22:43,980 at the moment, but I could see us starting work on ticketing in 415 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:47,025 the next couple of months once we kick through some more goals 416 00:22:47,025 --> 00:22:51,825 for the police games, I think it makes makes total sense. 417 00:22:51,825 --> 00:22:56,225 So, yeah, now we've got that foundation there of what's 418 00:22:56,225 --> 00:22:58,145 everyone else doing right now, which is awesome. 419 00:22:58,145 --> 00:22:59,265 Gavin Tye: So Yep. 420 00:22:59,345 --> 00:23:00,385 Mitchell Davis: Well, credit to the team. 421 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:03,190 Gavin Tye: And speaking of your little little developer 422 00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:06,950 community, shout out to Michael Dorinda from LaraCon who has 423 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:11,110 offered up two seats at the very end on the left for your talk 424 00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:12,310 for the audience. 425 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:14,710 Mitchell Davis: No, I think they were in the second row. 426 00:23:14,985 --> 00:23:20,345 Gavin Tye: Oh, okay. Promised a little buy ticket. So you have 427 00:23:20,345 --> 00:23:24,425 to be going anyway, but he will flag it off as a little VIP 428 00:23:24,425 --> 00:23:25,145 section. 429 00:23:25,465 --> 00:23:27,305 Mitchell Davis: I think he might've meant that for you 430 00:23:27,305 --> 00:23:28,585 mate, to be clear. Okay. 431 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,200 Gavin Tye: Yeah. V I l v I l, very important listeners. Right? 432 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,160 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. That's right. Yep. Yeah. So that was 433 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:36,480 nice. 434 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,240 It's good to know that, people people are listening, which is 435 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,615 which is nice. Anyway, then on my side of the fence, I've been 436 00:23:45,615 --> 00:23:51,295 working on the new design of the mobile app. So, we are 437 00:23:51,775 --> 00:23:55,935 undergoing a massive change to the mobile app to support all of 438 00:23:55,935 --> 00:24:01,030 the community led features that we are implementing now. Some 439 00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:04,310 we've already implemented, but the on the back end, there's no 440 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:06,550 design for it in the mobile app. Yep. 441 00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:11,110 So I've been using this as an opportunity to update us to 442 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:17,685 using Liquid Glass on the latest versions of iOS and then just 443 00:24:17,685 --> 00:24:23,365 kind of rethinking our design and having our app have more 444 00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:29,350 opinions on like, okay, this is how we want any given event 445 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:34,470 inside of the app to look and taking away some of the 446 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:38,550 customization options that we've got at the moment for events. So 447 00:24:40,475 --> 00:24:43,275 to give a little more context, like currently event organizers, 448 00:24:43,275 --> 00:24:46,235 they can go configure like, I think it's 11 or 12 different 449 00:24:46,235 --> 00:24:49,355 colors that appear in different spots through the app. And 450 00:24:49,355 --> 00:24:52,235 that's like, okay, change the way that buttons look or the way 451 00:24:52,235 --> 00:24:55,620 that cards look or screen backgrounds or whatever. And 452 00:24:55,620 --> 00:25:00,980 it's like, it served us pretty well, but it makes it impossible 453 00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:06,500 to design an app that feels cohesive and like connected from 454 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:09,235 screen one to screen two. It's not for 455 00:25:09,235 --> 00:25:11,395 Gavin Tye: the masses. Right? Like if it was just for one app 456 00:25:11,395 --> 00:25:14,195 at a time, then they could muck around with it. Yeah. Get it. 457 00:25:14,435 --> 00:25:15,875 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Exactly. Doesn't work 458 00:25:15,875 --> 00:25:19,315 Gavin Tye: if we're trying to facilitate the community growth 459 00:25:19,315 --> 00:25:22,355 or something like that. So it's easy. Yeah. I understand. 460 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:27,630 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. So, it's going really well, and I'm 461 00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:34,830 enjoying having that freedom to put in some of my design style, 462 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:37,630 like, my thoughts into it instead of just going, well, 463 00:25:37,630 --> 00:25:42,885 okay, this is the this is how the car body should be 464 00:25:42,885 --> 00:25:45,685 structured, but the paint choices are entirely up to the 465 00:25:45,685 --> 00:25:49,125 event organiser. Sure. You know? Now I get to go, okay, the car's 466 00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:53,600 black and you can add a red stripe here if you want, you 467 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,800 know, or something like that. 468 00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Right? And that it feels heaps better. And, at the same time as 469 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,360 making these changes, I'm now getting a lot more familiar with 470 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:11,815 using, the native, like, native elements. These are they're 471 00:26:11,815 --> 00:26:15,495 called like SwiftUI elements for iOS at least. 472 00:26:15,495 --> 00:26:16,055 Gavin Tye: Of course. 473 00:26:16,295 --> 00:26:18,935 Mitchell Davis: Well, you know this, but for the audience. And, 474 00:26:19,895 --> 00:26:22,535 and I'm getting a lot more familiar with, like, some of the 475 00:26:22,535 --> 00:26:26,510 native things that you can do on an iPhone app. And it's going 476 00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:30,350 really well. I'm having a ball with it. It it's a bit of a 477 00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:36,190 learning curve because things aren't always super intuitive, 478 00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,605 but it's really fun. 479 00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:46,285 So, I've been able to redesign all of the app now basically to 480 00:26:46,365 --> 00:26:50,900 feel a lot more native and feel like it is has been created by 481 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:56,660 Apple, which is kind of the goal that I've set for myself. And 482 00:26:56,900 --> 00:27:01,220 I've been showing you some things and you're like we we 483 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:06,855 talked on Monday. Here's a bit of inside baseball. We talked on 484 00:27:06,855 --> 00:27:11,335 Monday and I didn't yet have, the screens prepared for, 485 00:27:13,015 --> 00:27:16,455 browsing a list of communities. And we were just kind of talking 486 00:27:16,455 --> 00:27:19,015 in the abstract about, okay, this is how it's roughly gonna 487 00:27:19,015 --> 00:27:27,390 be and and you I couldn't convey to you the design that I had in 488 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:28,110 my mind. 489 00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:31,390 And this became really this was like a bit of a sticking point 490 00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:35,355 because on Monday, we both we get on and I was really excited 491 00:27:35,355 --> 00:27:38,395 to show you some of the stuff that I'd done over the weekend 492 00:27:38,395 --> 00:27:41,995 with this new design. And you're like, yeah, okay. Well, these 493 00:27:41,995 --> 00:27:44,635 parts look good, but what's gonna be like the community 494 00:27:44,875 --> 00:27:48,520 area? And it turned we didn't it wasn't an argument, but like we 495 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,000 were both we were a bit at odds with each other. Right? 496 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,040 Of like, okay. I I think it should look like this and you 497 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,560 think it should look like that. And that showed me like, okay. I 498 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,745 don't ever really wanna go into a situation with you like that 499 00:28:01,745 --> 00:28:05,345 where I'm trying to show you an idea without it actually being 500 00:28:05,345 --> 00:28:10,225 there on the screen. We could talk about things more in the 501 00:28:10,225 --> 00:28:13,905 abstract, but if I'm trying to show you anything at all, I 502 00:28:13,905 --> 00:28:19,270 think it should probably be 80% finished instead of like 10 or 503 00:28:19,270 --> 00:28:21,110 20% started. 504 00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:21,670 Right. 505 00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:26,950 Gavin Tye: But in but what if okay. There's a couple of things 506 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:33,625 there. Yep. One is maybe our conversation on Monday, maybe 507 00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:36,265 shifted your perspective on some things and changed how you were 508 00:28:36,265 --> 00:28:38,985 looking at that. Or maybe did you just ignore that and just 509 00:28:38,985 --> 00:28:39,785 keep going? 510 00:28:40,025 --> 00:28:42,985 Mitchell Davis: No, it, it didn't. I didn't, I didn't 511 00:28:42,985 --> 00:28:49,340 ignore you, but what we talked about on Monday, I've now 512 00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:54,300 implemented. Yeah. So what what Monday did for me was make it 513 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,900 clear like, okay, the way to show you what I'm thinking is to 514 00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,620 just go ahead and build what I'm thinking, and then we can really 515 00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:04,445 quickly adapt it. Like, it's not to say, okay, hey, it's it's my 516 00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:05,485 way or the highway. 517 00:29:05,485 --> 00:29:12,685 It's I don't think we can get into a conversation and look at 518 00:29:12,685 --> 00:29:16,605 something that doesn't yet exist and get a proper understanding 519 00:29:16,605 --> 00:29:20,820 of what each other's opinion is. Right. So it's so much easier if 520 00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:22,980 you've got something there on the screen and you go, actually, 521 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:26,020 I don't like how this button looks there or whatever. Because 522 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:31,300 specifically we were having trouble, talking about how we're 523 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,465 going to display a difference between a list of events and a 524 00:29:34,465 --> 00:29:40,065 list of communities. And then I have built now exactly what I 525 00:29:40,065 --> 00:29:43,745 had in my mind on Monday in that conversation, and I've shown 526 00:29:43,745 --> 00:29:45,660 that to you now and you're like, yeah. 527 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,380 Okay. I see where you're going with this now that it's there 528 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:53,420 instead of what we were doing on Monday where it was just like we 529 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:55,900 weren't seeing each other's perspective because I wasn't 530 00:29:55,900 --> 00:30:00,705 able to communicate it to you. Right? And so, yeah, I think 531 00:30:00,705 --> 00:30:03,745 I'll take that moving forward. Now I won't just show you the 532 00:30:03,745 --> 00:30:05,105 second I've got something. 533 00:30:05,585 --> 00:30:08,385 I'll sit down and make sure it's like, this is actually what I 534 00:30:08,385 --> 00:30:14,225 think this should be and open the door for feedback on what 535 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:16,110 what already exists at that point. You know? 536 00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:21,150 Gavin Tye: I also think, yeah. Okay. But I, I don't think it's 537 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:23,950 that simple. It might be seen that simple on your side of the 538 00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:27,390 fence, but I think part of it is as well, I've been thinking a 539 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:31,935 lot about Monday and then trying to come along and I needed some 540 00:30:31,935 --> 00:30:37,135 time to, to actually talk that through and think it through a 541 00:30:37,135 --> 00:30:39,455 little bit and what it looked like. So I don't think it was a 542 00:30:39,455 --> 00:30:40,175 bad thing. 543 00:30:40,335 --> 00:30:44,790 I think maybe, I think maybe I was surprised at what I was 544 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:47,430 going to see on Monday. I had no context of what I was walking 545 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:50,470 into. And I was like, well, hang on a sec. That's a, it was 546 00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:52,150 different. I wasn't expecting that. 547 00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:54,790 And maybe I wasn't expecting you to do that on the weekend. I 548 00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:59,325 wasn't sure. Maybe I missed it. But once I could think about it 549 00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:02,365 and I was like, cause I've been thinking, and I've been trying 550 00:31:02,365 --> 00:31:06,285 to apply it to conversations that I had and some challenges 551 00:31:06,285 --> 00:31:09,325 that I foresee that we've got to figure out on how to present it. 552 00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:12,810 And then when you showed me today, I'd had a week to warm up 553 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:13,770 to it, I guess. 554 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:19,050 You probably still have, I think we'd still probably have the 555 00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:23,530 conversation like similar to Monday if you showed me today, 556 00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:27,615 but I just need time to digest it and think about it. So maybe 557 00:31:27,615 --> 00:31:32,495 that we take that into account is, Hey, just think about it. 558 00:31:32,495 --> 00:31:36,895 Just have a look at it. Just have a look at it and think 559 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:40,015 about it. And then just trying to think about conceptually what 560 00:31:40,015 --> 00:31:43,270 I'm trying to build or what we're trying to achieve. 561 00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:45,830 And then we'll come back and come back with your thoughts. 562 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:46,550 Right? 563 00:31:46,550 --> 00:31:47,670 Mitchell Davis: Yeah, sure. 564 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:49,510 Gavin Tye: Because we can, if you can do that and then we 565 00:31:49,510 --> 00:31:51,910 could record it, then I could go back. Cause I wanted to have a 566 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,975 look at it a few times during the week. And I'm like, I just I 567 00:31:54,975 --> 00:31:57,535 I didn't have access to it, which I'm sure it's in 568 00:31:57,535 --> 00:32:01,295 fireflies, but maybe that that's it. I don't know. 569 00:32:01,535 --> 00:32:04,655 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. We'll continue to evolve. Right. And 570 00:32:04,655 --> 00:32:08,750 and learn how each other work well and all that sort of stuff. 571 00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:10,590 But, it was just it was interesting. 572 00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:14,030 Because we've come out of it with, I feel like a pretty 573 00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:18,670 strong looking app. Right? It looks good. I think it's gonna 574 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:21,070 be fit for purpose and do everything that we need it to 575 00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:27,195 do. And and now that the structure is there, you can now 576 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:28,075 add input. 577 00:32:28,075 --> 00:32:32,395 And like we did just before we we recorded this podcast, we're 578 00:32:32,395 --> 00:32:34,555 going through and we're thinking like, okay, how should you be 579 00:32:34,555 --> 00:32:37,490 able to see a list of other communities that you're not a 580 00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:41,170 part of that might interest you? And then is that something like 581 00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:44,050 explore, you know, or something like that? And you and I are 582 00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:46,690 sitting down and going through and thinking through that stuff 583 00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:50,945 now that we've got, you know, the the painting is roughly on 584 00:32:50,945 --> 00:32:55,345 the canvas, and we're just gonna go in and add polish. Right? So 585 00:32:55,905 --> 00:32:56,225 yeah. 586 00:32:56,225 --> 00:32:59,745 So, anyway, so that's gone really well. I'm having a blast 587 00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:03,680 doing this. The marketing site, the work I was doing on that has 588 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,000 paused because I realized like I really need to get us in and 589 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 moving forward on this new redesign because the work 590 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,880 doesn't stop here as soon as this is finished. I then have to 591 00:33:15,695 --> 00:33:18,895 still get everything working for older versions of iOS plus 592 00:33:18,895 --> 00:33:23,135 Android and I don't want our Android app to feel like it was 593 00:33:23,135 --> 00:33:27,215 made by Apple. I want that to feel like it was made by Google 594 00:33:27,215 --> 00:33:30,175 you know and have it blend in natively to Android. 595 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:34,130 So there's still probably another six weeks or so of work 596 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:38,370 to go into this, but I wanna have the the liquid glass 597 00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:42,450 version of the app basically done probably two weeks from 598 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:46,945 now. I think that gives us enough time. So yeah. 599 00:33:46,945 --> 00:33:48,865 Gavin Tye: So So was just thinking about the police games 600 00:33:48,865 --> 00:33:54,705 there, like at the structure you currently have. Right? Maybe 601 00:33:54,705 --> 00:33:56,920 inside the word police games, there's multiple multiple 602 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,360 communities. Communities. There's There's the American 603 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,360 community, there's a swimming community. 604 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:08,920 And so what the structure that you have there is, yeah, like 605 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,895 the within that communities or connect, you have the different 606 00:34:12,895 --> 00:34:17,775 tab, like The US, whatever else, and they can search through 607 00:34:17,775 --> 00:34:19,535 sports and all that kind of stuff. 608 00:34:19,775 --> 00:34:22,415 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. 609 00:34:22,415 --> 00:34:26,310 All of those that'll be behind explore or something. And then 610 00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:29,910 Yep. You could just start typing in swimming or whatever or 611 00:34:29,910 --> 00:34:34,630 Argentina, whatever. You know, it'll come up. And then you can 612 00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:36,470 just go join, something like that. 613 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:37,110 So Yes. 614 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:37,910 Gavin Tye: Something like that. 615 00:34:38,365 --> 00:34:40,445 Mitchell Davis: Should be pretty cool. Yep. 616 00:34:41,405 --> 00:34:45,885 Gavin Tye: Yeah. Okay. So now as far as that, like you said, that 617 00:34:45,885 --> 00:34:48,925 the development team didn't have didn't do much coding last week. 618 00:34:48,925 --> 00:34:56,130 When do we we're week seven weeks out, I think from the Yep. 619 00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:58,210 Today's a seven week update. 620 00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:03,490 So when do we get to the point and go, okay, that's going to be 621 00:35:03,490 --> 00:35:09,485 the police games and then show them. And then, we still gotta 622 00:35:09,485 --> 00:35:12,125 have that infrastructure, I think. Was that all set up? The 623 00:35:12,125 --> 00:35:13,645 infrastructure basically set up? 624 00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:17,165 Mitchell Davis: No. There's still there's plenty of things 625 00:35:17,165 --> 00:35:23,590 to do. So, we're gonna be working the whole seven weeks, I 626 00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:27,670 think. But, yeah, we made early progress on a bunch of things, 627 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:30,950 that have kind of moved us forward, and that's what opened 628 00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:35,590 up that that one week gap to work on the on those research 629 00:35:35,590 --> 00:35:36,635 projects. Yeah. 630 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:40,235 But, yeah, work we're we're back to working on actual code now. 631 00:35:40,475 --> 00:35:45,595 So we're looking at, things like our splash screen, and we're 632 00:35:45,595 --> 00:35:54,060 also working on a a change that, I won't go into any detail on 633 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:59,660 now, but basically to support offline mode. And, yeah, being 634 00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:02,860 able to do offline and people can go in, download the app, 635 00:36:03,465 --> 00:36:06,745 obviously, when they're online and then, turn off the network 636 00:36:06,745 --> 00:36:10,665 and it'll still function except for making changes to things. So 637 00:36:10,905 --> 00:36:13,145 Yep. That's a goal that we've had for the police game. 638 00:36:13,145 --> 00:36:14,585 So that's currently what we're working on. 639 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,280 Gavin Tye: So does does that offline mode need to be done now 640 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,680 or can it be closer to the games because we're not expecting them 641 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,120 to be offline anytime? Or is that just 642 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,415 Mitchell Davis: something It's it's something that's like all 643 00:36:29,415 --> 00:36:33,655 I've asked, Martin to do is a proof of concept for now to get 644 00:36:33,655 --> 00:36:36,855 an understanding of like, okay, when it is time to do this, what 645 00:36:36,855 --> 00:36:39,895 is it gonna look like? Because we might wanna make some of 646 00:36:39,895 --> 00:36:44,890 those changes now. Yep. If it is the beast that I think it will 647 00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:50,570 be, it requires a bit of a like a complete rewrite of the mobile 648 00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:54,730 app. All of the screens will stay the same, but the way we 649 00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:58,095 get data into those screens will be fundamentally different. 650 00:36:58,255 --> 00:37:02,815 So we'll talk more about that separately. As far as actually 651 00:37:02,815 --> 00:37:05,535 delivering this for the police games, we're still very much on 652 00:37:05,535 --> 00:37:09,375 track for this phase one. And then I'd be ready to show them 653 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:15,090 within a couple weeks to start showing them the, like these 654 00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:18,610 screens, the new design and everything, but we're not gonna 655 00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:23,490 be giving them a test flight version before the seven week 656 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:27,675 mark. Yeah. Like, that's when they get internally, they get 657 00:37:27,675 --> 00:37:28,315 that version. 658 00:37:28,315 --> 00:37:31,835 So we got a full seven weeks until then. Right? And then 659 00:37:32,235 --> 00:37:35,755 we've added a two week buffer so that it's middle of August and 660 00:37:35,755 --> 00:37:39,035 that's when the apple actually go out. That gives them time to 661 00:37:39,035 --> 00:37:42,960 do testing and us to make us to do our testing, make any last 662 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,400 minute changes, all that sort of thing. So the timeline is right. 663 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,080 Yeah. It's Okay. Seven weeks. Sure. So we're good there. 664 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,080 Okay. Cool. Alright. Okay. So final piece. 665 00:37:55,935 --> 00:38:01,935 I've got a hypothesis that AI is making us dumber. And Okay. 666 00:38:02,335 --> 00:38:05,935 Explain where this thanks, mate. I was just gonna leave it at 667 00:38:05,935 --> 00:38:08,015 that and end the episode, if that's okay. 668 00:38:08,015 --> 00:38:09,295 Gavin Tye: See you next week, everyone. 669 00:38:09,295 --> 00:38:12,080 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. But I I guess, if you're asking me to, 670 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:18,000 I'll I'll explain further. So I've been thinking lately about 671 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,920 how we internally in our team, how we communicate with each 672 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,045 other, Right? And how AI plays a part in that. Yeah. 673 00:38:29,045 --> 00:38:33,125 So so I asked the guys when I gave them these tasks, I said, 674 00:38:33,125 --> 00:38:36,165 hey. You know, go and conduct this research. Use AI. They 675 00:38:36,165 --> 00:38:38,645 haven't done anything wrong, to be clear. This this is not a 676 00:38:38,645 --> 00:38:39,285 shitting on them. 677 00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:47,220 But the reports that were returned back were obviously AI 678 00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:52,500 generated. Right? And it got me thinking about, is this 679 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,685 something I can trust? Like these reports, this research, is 680 00:38:56,685 --> 00:38:59,725 it something that I can trust? Because we all know like the, 681 00:38:59,725 --> 00:39:03,165 you know, Chad GPT and all these models, like they just they do 682 00:39:03,165 --> 00:39:08,605 make stuff up, and they'll just go down a path without thinking 683 00:39:08,605 --> 00:39:11,410 about other other approaches. 684 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:16,530 Right? And the task that I gave them was, yes, use AI to produce 685 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:22,955 a report, but I want your brain to actually think about this 686 00:39:23,035 --> 00:39:26,475 like the given project. Okay. Ticketing. How would you go 687 00:39:26,475 --> 00:39:27,755 about building ticketing? 688 00:39:27,755 --> 00:39:32,235 You know, something like that. Don't just rely on the LLM to do 689 00:39:32,235 --> 00:39:36,650 the job. Right. And then it extends into other areas as 690 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:42,810 well. Like, I've asked my team to write me comments on any of 691 00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:46,810 the tickets that we do in linear whenever they, go through and 692 00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:50,855 finished up on something for the day or they complete a given 693 00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:54,455 ticket, ask them to just write up a comment of like, hey, okay, 694 00:39:54,455 --> 00:39:55,655 this is how I implemented it. 695 00:39:55,655 --> 00:39:59,175 This is why I did this, etcetera. Instead of just, you 696 00:39:59,175 --> 00:40:02,375 know, hey, cursor or Claude or whatever, go build this ticket 697 00:40:02,375 --> 00:40:06,740 and then submit a pull request. Right? I wanna actually know 698 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:11,620 that they put thought and care into this thing. So I've asked 699 00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:13,060 them to slow down. 700 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:17,875 You and I sat down and I I ran all this past you prior to me 701 00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:22,515 asking them. I've asked them to slow down and go, okay. Anything 702 00:40:22,515 --> 00:40:26,515 that like you would have got done previously, take twice as 703 00:40:26,515 --> 00:40:30,835 long with it. Let's halve our speed and make sure that the 704 00:40:30,835 --> 00:40:36,090 quality is there, but also that like they're not just pumping 705 00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:39,290 out code, you know, and I give them something and they come 706 00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:42,490 back in an hour without having really thought about it. I'm not 707 00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:45,050 okay with that. 708 00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:48,345 I'm not. It's not the sort of business that I wanna be 709 00:40:48,345 --> 00:40:54,505 involved in or lead at least on the tech side. And, yeah, it had 710 00:40:54,505 --> 00:41:01,620 kind of been getting me down a bit. I don't like how much we 711 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:06,180 rely on these AIs now to communicate with each other. And 712 00:41:06,580 --> 00:41:11,380 so I'm really pleased with that we've turned off on both of our 713 00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:12,900 accounts at least on LinkedIn. 714 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,275 Like, we turned off the posting just pure like AI generated 715 00:41:16,275 --> 00:41:20,035 stuff because it wasn't working. People weren't responding well 716 00:41:20,035 --> 00:41:26,595 to it. And the plan was for me to start creating my own posts 717 00:41:26,595 --> 00:41:30,980 on LinkedIn and doing that like at least once a week. And so far 718 00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:33,540 I've failed to do that. I did the LaraCon announcement last 719 00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:36,100 week and then I haven't posted this week. 720 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:40,580 And, it's not out of laziness or anything. It's just it is harder 721 00:41:40,745 --> 00:41:43,945 to write authentically and to think about, okay, what do I 722 00:41:43,945 --> 00:41:48,425 actually wanna talk about and what's my perspective? And and 723 00:41:48,425 --> 00:41:51,305 then sitting down and actually doing it versus just like, hey, 724 00:41:51,385 --> 00:41:54,265 chat GPT, give me a LinkedIn post, you know, and it's done in 725 00:41:54,265 --> 00:42:00,720 two seconds. So I feel like we're all becoming a little 726 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:06,160 dumber, definitely lazier with the rise of AI, and it's not 727 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,920 going away. And I don't want it to. 728 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,995 Certainly can save us a lot of time on doing stuff that we 729 00:42:12,995 --> 00:42:18,835 don't wanna do. But it is a bummer to me. Anytime I see 730 00:42:18,835 --> 00:42:22,275 something that's like, this is just someone just phoning it in, 731 00:42:22,275 --> 00:42:26,115 you know, instead of their actual thoughts on something. So 732 00:42:26,115 --> 00:42:28,830 why don't I let you jump in now? What do you think? 733 00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:31,550 Gavin Tye: So a couple of things that you said there is you want 734 00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:35,230 people to care about their work. Right? Yep. I don't think we can 735 00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:38,670 make people care about their work. I just think some people 736 00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:41,470 would just work for places to put money on the table. 737 00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:45,605 Right. But some people will care. I think you can't force 738 00:42:45,605 --> 00:42:48,805 people to care about anything. Right. Some people get in 739 00:42:48,805 --> 00:42:51,205 relationships and they don't care about their partner. 740 00:42:51,285 --> 00:42:54,405 Right. I think care is a personal thing. We don't have 741 00:42:54,405 --> 00:43:01,760 any control over. I think, the other thing as well is I think 742 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,400 about AI in a slightly different way. I don't think our brains 743 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,800 turn off or my brain certainly doesn't turn off. 744 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,755 I don't go, oh, AI, like I don't have to, I don't have to do 745 00:43:12,755 --> 00:43:17,635 anything anymore. I do get lazy from it. And I ask it to, I have 746 00:43:17,635 --> 00:43:20,275 asked it to think for me before, and then it hasn't really done a 747 00:43:20,275 --> 00:43:22,755 good job. Do. And I haven't learned that lesson. 748 00:43:22,755 --> 00:43:30,450 So I do think, I think using it the right way, we've got to make 749 00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:35,010 sure we use it the right way that is authentic to us. When we 750 00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:39,615 spoke about it this week, I did think, like, I always try to get 751 00:43:39,615 --> 00:43:43,535 back to models that I know. Right. And the speed quality 752 00:43:43,615 --> 00:43:47,855 cost triangle is one that come up when we had a conversation. 753 00:43:47,855 --> 00:43:48,175 Right. 754 00:43:48,175 --> 00:43:54,070 You can, you can have speed, but you can't have cost if you want 755 00:43:54,070 --> 00:43:57,750 quality. Right. Or if you want costs, cheaper costs, can't 756 00:43:57,750 --> 00:44:00,550 have, and speed, you can't have quality. Right. You always 757 00:44:00,550 --> 00:44:01,750 sacrifice one. 758 00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:08,815 Right. But I do think one thing that I think AI is not good at 759 00:44:08,815 --> 00:44:12,175 is coming up with new ideas. Right. But it's really good at 760 00:44:12,175 --> 00:44:14,655 researching. Like I know that you mentioned about the research 761 00:44:14,655 --> 00:44:16,015 projects for the team. 762 00:44:19,135 --> 00:44:23,440 They've researched, like I think AI is good for research, but 763 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400 asking them how to develop something or implement that 764 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,000 research is a different task. Right. That's a different thing. 765 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,160 Where they may be, where they have more influence or more 766 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,295 capability to be able to show me how you would start building it 767 00:44:38,295 --> 00:44:41,895 out. I think, yes, we can be lazy from it and I've been lazy. 768 00:44:43,175 --> 00:44:46,535 But we just gotta be careful that that doesn't happen. That 769 00:44:46,535 --> 00:44:50,240 we don't fall into that lazy part. Like for instance, with 770 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:55,600 the develop, like that six month marketing project, I will talk 771 00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,080 to it and I'll like, it's my original idea. Like, and I want 772 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:06,285 to make sure, going back to that quality cost triangle, I think 773 00:45:06,285 --> 00:45:10,125 we are responsible for the quality output of the, of the AI 774 00:45:10,125 --> 00:45:11,725 agent. Right. 775 00:45:12,045 --> 00:45:17,190 And I don't think that there's, I'm saying, Hey, this is what I 776 00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:20,470 want to achieve. This is what I'm thinking. These are the 777 00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:23,750 current other bits of content. I think we can pull out weekly 778 00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:26,390 from each bit. Like, what am I missing that have you seen 779 00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:29,855 others do that maybe we could make more content and it could 780 00:45:29,855 --> 00:45:31,135 go, doing this. 781 00:45:31,135 --> 00:45:33,295 Well, you could do this very easily. I'd go, oh great. I 782 00:45:33,295 --> 00:45:37,135 never thought about it like that. Okay. And then doing the 783 00:45:37,135 --> 00:45:40,975 interviews and then having it help structure an output for 784 00:45:40,975 --> 00:45:42,415 something a lot easier. 785 00:45:42,895 --> 00:45:47,120 And I don't think that, yes, it's writing it, but it's coming 786 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,400 from an original idea. Right? Like the sales market fit white 787 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,160 paper that I wrote back a few years ago was an 8,000 word 788 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,480 piece of content that I originally wrote. It was before 789 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,475 ChatGPT was around, but I use that now as a baseline of 790 00:46:04,475 --> 00:46:08,075 knowledge that I extract with AI, but I'm comfortable that 791 00:46:08,075 --> 00:46:12,395 it's original, it's derived from original content. If that makes 792 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:12,795 sense. 793 00:46:13,355 --> 00:46:18,680 Yep. Absolutely. So I don't necessarily think it's doom and 794 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,640 gloom. And like, what I meant before is my brain doesn't turn 795 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,120 off. It just allows me to think about more things and a 796 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200 different level of thinking. 797 00:46:30,105 --> 00:46:35,225 Whereas I liken it back to when we were hunters and gatherers, 798 00:46:35,385 --> 00:46:39,625 all we were thinking about is just eating and, our next meal 799 00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:42,345 is when we started farming, then we could actually start putting 800 00:46:42,345 --> 00:46:45,780 our brain to other things. And I think that will always be the 801 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:53,060 case, but lazy people will use AI lazily. Right. Right. To, to 802 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:53,860 be lazy. 803 00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:56,580 And I, and I do understand what you're saying around that. 804 00:46:57,745 --> 00:47:02,225 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. I'm just not okay with with that 805 00:47:02,785 --> 00:47:08,385 laziness. Like, I think I I have a problem with laziness. Sure. 806 00:47:08,385 --> 00:47:13,860 And it's tricky to get around because absolutely first one to 807 00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:17,380 put my hand up and go, yeah, sometimes I'll just use whatever 808 00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:20,260 chat GBT will give me on certain things. 809 00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:24,340 Like, I'm I'm a culprit too. 100%. And I will continue to be. 810 00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:26,260 And that's okay. Like, I'm I'm human. 811 00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:30,915 Right? But just in general, I don't like the idea of like with 812 00:47:30,915 --> 00:47:35,475 internal communication or like stuff like like these the 813 00:47:35,475 --> 00:47:39,930 research things like Yep. Yep. I just wanna be able to trust that 814 00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:45,290 the person who wrote this put thought and care into whatever 815 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:47,850 we're producing and telling each other. 816 00:47:47,850 --> 00:47:50,490 Gavin Tye: Okay. So the other remember I told you I wrote a 817 00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:53,370 white pay a white paper and then I got some feedback from Chris? 818 00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:56,945 I met him. I spoke to him afterwards. I said, can I ask 819 00:47:56,945 --> 00:47:57,665 you a question? 820 00:47:57,905 --> 00:48:02,705 And I was like, did you put the GPT, the white paper into a GPT 821 00:48:02,705 --> 00:48:08,170 and then ask, and then ask for a response? He said, no, no. I 822 00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:11,290 gave it the response that I wanted to say, but I used GPT to 823 00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:14,170 make it easier for you to understand. So we, so I could 824 00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:17,450 give you the right message. And I was like, okay, that's, but 825 00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:19,450 then again, that's not being lazy. 826 00:48:19,450 --> 00:48:20,010 That's care. 827 00:48:20,735 --> 00:48:23,855 Mitchell Davis: Right? You're right. Yes. In that case it is. 828 00:48:24,255 --> 00:48:28,095 Gavin Tye: Yep. But I also think that there is a nuance and I 829 00:48:28,095 --> 00:48:32,495 understand what you're saying. Maybe we have, maybe we have in 830 00:48:32,495 --> 00:48:36,170 our business, we implement for any internal communication, but 831 00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:39,450 then I don't think this works saying it out loud that we don't 832 00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:42,650 use AI to communicate with each other, but that's unfair for the 833 00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:45,690 team in The Philippines because they may not be confident to 834 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,665 write in our language. Yeah. 835 00:48:49,545 --> 00:48:51,545 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. It's a difficult one. There's, there's 836 00:48:51,545 --> 00:48:53,945 no like said answer. Right. There's no, I'm not looking to 837 00:48:53,945 --> 00:48:54,745 change the world here. 838 00:48:54,745 --> 00:48:58,665 It's just something that I've, I've felt internally over the 839 00:48:58,665 --> 00:49:04,630 last couple months of like, God, it just kind of, kinda sucks 840 00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:10,870 that, like, there are it's hard to trust what people say. 841 00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:11,350 Gavin Tye: Sure. 842 00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:12,630 Mitchell Davis: I find. That's how I feel. 843 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,630 Gavin Tye: Being hard to trust what people say. 844 00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:17,030 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. But at least you knew it was what they 845 00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:21,905 said. Right? They wrote out on a keyboard. They wrote you an 846 00:49:21,905 --> 00:49:23,665 email, you know, or something like that. 847 00:49:23,665 --> 00:49:27,505 Unless they copied it verbatim from somewhere else. Right? It 848 00:49:27,505 --> 00:49:32,865 was their brain. And and now you can't trust that. And it just 849 00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:36,530 kind of sucks in my opinion. 850 00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:41,010 Gavin Tye: Sure. Anyway, it But in, but in saying, like going 851 00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:44,130 back to your, like full circle back to what you wrote about, 852 00:49:44,370 --> 00:49:47,730 what you said before about your LinkedIn post, there's lots of 853 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:51,005 different, like you do get analysis paralysis. Like you 854 00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:53,405 always, you get it, especially around this stuff. This is not 855 00:49:53,405 --> 00:49:55,805 the first time that you've, I reckon we've had this 856 00:49:55,805 --> 00:49:57,885 conversation probably 12 times. Right. 857 00:49:57,885 --> 00:50:01,405 At least, but you do have original thoughts. Like some of 858 00:50:01,405 --> 00:50:05,210 the original thoughts were that we had is, Hey, around 859 00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:08,250 onboarding, offshore people, like you could say to it saying, 860 00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:11,690 Hey, I want to write a post this about this. When we had an issue 861 00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:15,290 with onboarding the Philippines team, we had these issues in the 862 00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:19,945 different regions and this is specifically the issue. This is 863 00:50:19,945 --> 00:50:23,785 specifically what we did. These five things. 864 00:50:24,425 --> 00:50:27,385 And I really think it's valuable to let other people know who are 865 00:50:27,385 --> 00:50:30,585 onboarding an offshore team. Can you help me structure this in a 866 00:50:30,585 --> 00:50:35,380 way that feels like I'm saying it? I think that is perfectly 867 00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:38,500 fine to use AI because it's from your original thought. 868 00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:44,575 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. I don't know. I think we differ there. 869 00:50:44,575 --> 00:50:45,215 Yeah. Like 870 00:50:45,455 --> 00:50:48,095 Gavin Tye: Well, well, what's better? Not writing it or having 871 00:50:48,095 --> 00:50:53,695 it, not having that out there or or having something out there 872 00:50:53,695 --> 00:50:56,095 that's helped you write it? 873 00:50:57,230 --> 00:51:01,150 Mitchell Davis: I think you think one way very struggling on 874 00:51:01,150 --> 00:51:04,830 that. I don't know that I you like, it's obvious. You think, 875 00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:07,470 yeah, it's better to just have it out there. I'm saying, I 876 00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:11,535 don't know if that's the case. Like, I you know, it's something 877 00:51:11,535 --> 00:51:16,255 that I'm struggling with myself of yeah, I just don't know. 878 00:51:16,255 --> 00:51:21,295 I really hate that now everything is so AI generated 879 00:51:21,295 --> 00:51:25,390 and it's just yeah, look, I should, I don't think we're 880 00:51:25,390 --> 00:51:28,270 going to uncover any, any more nuggets here. 881 00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:30,750 Gavin Tye: But I do think like there's a difference here 882 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:34,590 between AI generated, which is generating something from 883 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:38,670 nothing, some from somewhere else or AI assisted in helping 884 00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:42,645 you form your thoughts. Like you could say something like, Hey, I 885 00:51:42,645 --> 00:51:45,125 don't want you to pull any other information in from any other 886 00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:47,525 resource. I just want you to use solely what I'm going to tell 887 00:51:47,525 --> 00:51:52,245 you what I did. And I want you to structure it in a way that is 888 00:51:52,245 --> 00:51:58,190 written in my voice. Like I don't like, but I think when 889 00:51:58,190 --> 00:52:00,750 they talk about this with software development and it's 890 00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:03,550 better to have something out that's 70 then instead of 891 00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:05,870 waiting, it's a 100% because you just never release it. 892 00:52:06,575 --> 00:52:13,055 Yeah. Right. But if you're coming from a premise of don't 893 00:52:13,055 --> 00:52:15,935 worry about like, what's the reason for doing it? Maybe it's 894 00:52:15,935 --> 00:52:18,815 to help someone that's going through an issue now onboarding 895 00:52:18,815 --> 00:52:21,535 a team. And then maybe if they read that it could save them 896 00:52:21,535 --> 00:52:21,935 some time. 897 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,640 Like, but if you wait till you write it and it takes three 898 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,800 months, you could have not helped 10 people. 899 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,800 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Yeah. I yeah. I can see your 900 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,240 perspective. I just 901 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,280 Gavin Tye: because it's like I 902 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,895 Mitchell Davis: don't think I have, I just don't think I have 903 00:52:36,895 --> 00:52:41,935 any more to add to this. I don't. Yeah. But yeah. Anyway. 904 00:52:42,255 --> 00:52:43,295 Okay. Well, talk 905 00:52:43,295 --> 00:52:45,295 Gavin Tye: to AI, get your thoughts, and come back. 906 00:52:45,295 --> 00:52:47,535 Mitchell Davis: That's right. Yeah. I'll ask my AI what to 907 00:52:47,535 --> 00:52:51,540 think for me, and then we'll talk about it. Alright, mate. 908 00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:53,860 Anything else before we wrap up? 909 00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:55,620 Gavin Tye: No. That's it. I just think you're too hard on 910 00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:59,060 yourself with that. Like and if you're not getting the quality 911 00:52:59,060 --> 00:53:02,020 of output that you want or it's not in the level that you want 912 00:53:02,020 --> 00:53:08,705 on your side of the fence, then then put steps into, take action 913 00:53:08,705 --> 00:53:12,305 to make sure you do. But there's also a fine line between no 914 00:53:12,305 --> 00:53:18,230 output and like no result and being something that you're 915 00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:18,790 comfortable with. 916 00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:21,270 Right. There is a margin there that you gotta figure out, I 917 00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:21,670 think. 918 00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:24,870 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Well, that's, I, I have already 919 00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:27,430 started working on some of that with the team to bring it back 920 00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:30,645 down to the ground floor. Yep. Started working with the team 921 00:53:30,645 --> 00:53:34,245 on, okay, these are areas that I think we could use AI in, and 922 00:53:34,245 --> 00:53:35,685 these are ones that we shouldn't. Yep. 923 00:53:36,165 --> 00:53:39,845 And, yeah, changing the process. So I I am doing that. 924 00:53:40,005 --> 00:53:42,405 Gavin Tye: Yep. Could you maybe try that what I mentioned 925 00:53:42,405 --> 00:53:45,430 before, just as an exercise with no intention to publish it? Like 926 00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:48,150 just talk through that experience. If you can remember 927 00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:51,190 onboarding the team and just say, Hey, look, I'm just going 928 00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:54,470 to tell you what happened and just, can you write it from my 929 00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:58,005 perspective? Don't don't have expectation of publishing it and 930 00:53:58,005 --> 00:54:00,405 just see if that makes you feel more comfortable because it's 931 00:54:00,405 --> 00:54:02,485 all your original thought. 932 00:54:03,205 --> 00:54:06,005 Right. And it gets you over your writer's block, which is a real 933 00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:07,045 thing that you have. 934 00:54:07,525 --> 00:54:12,310 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I, problem that I have 935 00:54:12,310 --> 00:54:15,270 with it is that it's the computer telling me what to set. 936 00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:16,710 I don't like that. 937 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:19,990 Gavin Tye: But not if you record, like you record to it. 938 00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:22,310 Like, it's not your saying it's your words. They're just 939 00:54:22,310 --> 00:54:26,345 structuring it in a way. It's all your, it's like going paying 940 00:54:26,345 --> 00:54:30,185 a copywriter to reword what you've, what you've written. 941 00:54:30,425 --> 00:54:32,105 It's I don't think it's the same thing. 942 00:54:32,185 --> 00:54:34,265 I think that's a similar thing. 943 00:54:36,185 --> 00:54:39,020 Mitchell Davis: Yeah. Yeah. It is. Anyway, alright. I'm gonna 944 00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:40,060 wrap that up now. 945 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:45,980 So, hopefully, there was some nugget in here that the the 946 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:50,060 listener got out of it. Mate, where can people find you 947 00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:50,380 online? 948 00:54:50,915 --> 00:54:54,435 Gavin Tye: On LinkedIn. Gavin Tye, t y e. You, mate? 949 00:54:54,435 --> 00:54:55,075 Excellent. 950 00:54:55,075 --> 00:54:57,395 Mitchell Davis: You can find me at Mitch Dev, couple other 951 00:54:57,395 --> 00:55:02,595 places. You can also find us on school. We are the Community 952 00:55:02,595 --> 00:55:06,115 Builders Network, and I'll have a link for all of that in the 953 00:55:06,115 --> 00:55:11,475 show notes for you. And hope you have a good week. Thanks, mate.