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On Work and Revolution

Hosted by Debbie Goodman

★5.0on Apple Podcasts · 6 recent reviews

On Work and Revolution is a podcast that leads the way to creating amazing workplaces where people and ideas flourish. Or at least to work-life that doesn’t suck! We speak to the trend-setters, the futurists, the academics and the leaders who are shaking things up and finding new ways to work-life in our time.

83 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-10-07 · ~29 min/episode

Rank

#1464

Substance

71.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Leadership rank

#138 of 1042

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Across the index

#1464 of 6219

Substance

Top 24%

outscores 76% of the index

Why it scores where it does

On Work and Revolution ranks #1464 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 71.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Morais is a genuine C-suite operator speaking from direct experience - former youngest CFO of a listed South African company, now CEO of a major consumer health brand managing 22,000 employees - and discusses real decisions he is actively executing, not theory; the scale and context are regional rather than global, which limits the ceiling.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

14.0 / 20

There are genuine non-obvious observations scattered through the episode - particularly on succession dynamics and linking board purpose-setting to long-term investment tolerance - but they are diluted by significant amounts of affirmation, platitude ('people are uncomfortable with the concept of change'), and meandering conversation that pads the runtime without adding substance.

“what happened in those two years is as soon as the message was delivered, there was a very, very different reaction from the organization”

“your purpose has to have a, uh, consequential long term return and you have to be able to measure it”

Originality

13.0 / 20

The observation that a succession announcement immediately reorganises informal power around the incoming CEO - sidelining the founder before the formal handover - is a genuinely non-obvious mechanism; most other points (purpose-driven culture, storytelling matters, change is hard) recycle familiar executive discourse without first-principles reasoning.

“the way that we think we need to organize ourselves requires roles that don't exist in retail in South Africa”

“when the board understands the purpose, like it's natural to make that investment and it almost gives the business or affords the business the time to then go and develop the work parcels”

Guest Caliber

17.0 / 20

Morais is a genuine C-suite operator speaking from direct experience - former youngest CFO of a listed South African company, now CEO of a major consumer health brand managing 22,000 employees - and discusses real decisions he is actively executing, not theory; the scale and context are regional rather than global, which limits the ceiling.

“at the time of his appointment to that role, the youngest CFO of a listed company in South Africa”

“I was always more involved in the strategic side of the business”

Specificity & Evidence

14.0 / 20

The episode includes useful concrete anchors - the 550,000 Capitec customers, 500 roles impacted with 200 net new additions, the Section 189 legal process - but financial performance is left entirely unquantified, the healthcare disruption thesis has no supporting data, and most strategic claims rest on assertion rather than evidence.

“a strategic partnership with Capitec, which has already brought more than 550,000 new customers”

“It was 500 people that were impacted... the reorganization came with 200 additional roles”

Conversational Craft

13.0 / 20

The host asks some structurally good questions - notably on succession design and identity transition - but consistently validates rather than challenges claims, inserts her own anecdotes at length, and lets a non-answer on 'what scares you' pass entirely without follow-up, keeping the conversation in comfortable territory throughout.

“knowing what you know now, what would you design differently?”

“I had a similar experience, uh, with my transition at Jackhammer. I had of somebody internally who is now the MD of Jackhammer Africa at Vet”

Standout episodes

  • Rui Morais, CEO Dis-Chem: Making Bold Bets. Disrupting the Healthcare Industry

    2026-05-20

    71

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Rui Morais, CEO Dis-Chem: Making Bold Bets. Disrupting the Healthcare Industry

    2026-05-20 · 37 min

    71 / 100

What listeners say on Apple Podcasts

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- ReemSF

★★★★★
Love this podcast!
Please keep this podcast going! It has already risen to the top of my favorite podcasts list as a result of the timely, relevant and real conversations.

- BaerGardens

Frequently asked

What is On Work and Revolution's substance score?
On Work and Revolution scores 71.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1464 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 76% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #138 of 1042 in Leadership. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is On Work and Revolution worth listening to?
Yes - On Work and Revolution outscores 76% of the B2B leadership podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a leadership operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts On Work and Revolution?
On Work and Revolution is hosted by Debbie Goodman.
How often does On Work and Revolution publish?
On Work and Revolution publishes fortnightly, has 83 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-10-07.
Which On Work and Revolution episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Rui Morais, CEO Dis-Chem: Making Bold Bets. Disrupting the Healthcare Industry" (71/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

Dis-ChemGiacoma GlobalEYXpigli LabsCapitecBetter Rewards

Guests who've appeared

Rui Morais

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

CEO succession planningOrganizational restructuringfounder identityDis-ChemXpigli LabsSection 189 noticeCapitec partnershipBetter Rewards loyalty programMelrose Arch store of the futureSouth African retail pharmacy

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