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Made with Grit

Hosted by Landon Bennett & Kyle Conarro

A show about bootstrapping SaaS businesses. Hosted by Landon Bennett and Kyle Conarro, co-founders of Zeromile.io.

62 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2023-07-25 · ~49 min/episode

Rank

#3676

Substance

58.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Startups & Founders rank

#546 of 923

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Across the index

#3676 of 6183

Substance

Top 59%

outscores 41% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Made with Grit ranks #3676 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 58.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and specificity & evidence. Mike Hauptman is a genuine ad-tech practitioner - first sales engineer at MediaMath in 2010, scaled a global team to 70 people, and co-founded a DSP - so he has real operational credibility, not thought-leader credibility. However, Ad Lib appears to be a small bootstrapped company and the conversation never gets deep enough to leverage his genuine platform expertise.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

11.0 / 20

The episode offers a handful of practical crisis-response moves (personally calling top clients, having backup partnerships pre-negotiated, framing sell-vs-rebuild as a binary decision) but these are buried under roughly 15 minutes of co-working space small talk, a sponsor read, and generic entrepreneurship platitudes. The insight-to-minute ratio is poor for a 55-minute runtime.

“I made a list of our top, like, kind of 80% revenue clients and just personally reached out to all of them and communicated what I knew”

“any successful entrepreneur is only successful because they failed many, many, many times”

Originality

9.0 / 20

The episode recycles the most common entrepreneurship tropes with no contrarian or first-principles arguments. Even the 'forcing function' framing is offered as a discovery rather than a structured insight, and the SalesLoft pivot story - the most illustrative example - is told by the host, not drawn out from the guest.

“any successful entrepreneur is only successful because they failed many, many, many times”

“forcing function is a word I've been using a lot over the past few weeks”

Guest Caliber

15.0 / 20

Mike Hauptman is a genuine ad-tech practitioner - first sales engineer at MediaMath in 2010, scaled a global team to 70 people, and co-founded a DSP - so he has real operational credibility, not thought-leader credibility. However, Ad Lib appears to be a small bootstrapped company and the conversation never gets deep enough to leverage his genuine platform expertise.

“joined in 2010 as the first sales engineer at Media Math and over the course of the next six or seven years uh, built out the sales engineering team, the solutions engineering teams globally”

“at one point prior to leaving in late 2018 uh, I was overseeing a 70 person team”

Specificity & Evidence

14.0 / 20

There are some solid concrete data points - 90% revenue recovery in three weeks, July 4th weekend timing, the 70-person MediaMath team, the SalesLoft $7M ARR and $1B valuation - but they are scattered and the host's SalesLoft numbers are unverified hearsay. Large portions of the conversation are entirely abstract.

“today, three weeks later, we're at about 90%, uh, run rate as to where we were on June 30th”

“they were probably at like $7 million in annual recurring revenue that they had gone from like, basically 0 to 7 million in like a couple years”

Conversational Craft

9.0 / 20

The host dominates significant stretches of the episode with his own anecdotes (co-working spaces, his own company struggles, the SalesLoft story) and asks almost no probing follow-ups. Questions are leading and soft, often answering themselves before the guest can respond, and there is zero pushback on any claim.

“So once you, your initial reaction obviously just like anybody's would be, is like, oh, and then some level of anxiety. And um, but it, at some point, I assume probably within that 24 hour period, it's like, okay, well there's no point in sitting here”

“forcing function is a word I've been using a lot over the past few weeks”

Standout episodes

  • 60 : Mike Hauptman - When the platform you're built on goes bankrupt overnight

    2023-07-25

    58

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • 60 : Mike Hauptman - When the platform you're built on goes bankrupt overnight

    2023-07-25 · 55 min

    58 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Made with Grit's substance score?
Made with Grit scores 58.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #3676 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 41% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #546 of 923 in Startups & Founders. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Made with Grit worth listening to?
Made with Grit is ranked on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 58.0/100. See the five-dimension breakdown above to judge whether it fits what you're after.
Who hosts Made with Grit?
Made with Grit is hosted by Landon Bennett & Kyle Conarro.
How often does Made with Grit publish?
Made with Grit publishes fortnightly, has 62 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2023-07-25.
Which Made with Grit episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "60 : Mike Hauptman - When the platform you're built on goes bankrupt overnight" (58/100) - a good place to start.

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