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SE7EN: The 7 Steps of Building a Pipeline for Life

Love Selling Hate Sales Podcast · 2023-03-26 · 9 min

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

18 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density4 / 20
Originality5 / 20
Guest Caliber3 / 20
Specificity & Evidence3 / 20
Conversational Craft3 / 20

Rather than pursuing month-to-month or quarterly pipeline targets, this episode articulates a philosophy of building a pipeline for life - a career-long approach that separates high performers from transactional sellers. Wagner argues that adopting a long-term mindset fundamentally shifts how you interact with prospects and buyers. The seven steps form an interconnected framework: starting with trust as the foundation, putting in consistent early work, identifying which markets and buyer personas align with your personality (seller-market fit), methodically expanding your network through LinkedIn and referrals, mastering how businesses actually operate (customer acquisition, retention, lifetime value, profit margins, cashflow), processing information quickly through conceptual frameworks rather than getting lost in details, and finally leveraging accumulated experience to build your unique point of view. This approach contrasts sharply with short-term sales tactics and social selling trends. Wagner uses examples from his own work in sales and marketing leadership to show how these principles apply across industries - whether you're selling to CMOs, engineers, or founders - and emphasizes that this pipeline-for-life mentality compounds over time, reducing the burden of constant prospecting later in your career.

Key takeaways

  • →Sales is fundamentally a trust game, and every interaction should be evaluated through the lens of building trust rather than closing a transaction.
  • →Early career success requires putting in consistent work across channels (cold calling, email, social selling) to build a solid foundation that pays dividends later.
  • →Seller-market fit - understanding which industries, buyer personas, and markets align with your personality and passion - is critical for sustaining long-term pipeline growth.
  • →Understanding how businesses make money (customer acquisition, retention, lifetime value, profit margins, cashflow) is non-negotiable for credibility with decision-makers.
  • →Conceptual thinking and active listening allow you to quickly synthesize complex information from prospects and position yourself as understanding their core challenges.

Topics in this episode

Active listeningLinkedIn networkingTrust-based sellingLifetime value optimizationPipeline for life mentalitySeller-market fitCold calling and social sellingCustomer acquisition and retentionProfit margins and cashflowConceptual thinking framework

Questions this episode answers

What does pipeline for life mean in sales?

Pipeline for life is a long-term mindset focused on building relationships and trust over years or a career, rather than optimizing for monthly, quarterly, or annual targets. It separates high performers from transactional sellers by shifting focus from the outcome to the person on the other side of the conversation.

What is seller-market fit and why does it matter?

Seller-market fit is the alignment between your personality, strengths, and the markets or buyer personas you sell to. Identifying where you naturally fit - for example, selling to CMOs if you're in sales and marketing, or to engineers if you're technical - makes it easier to build trust and sustain long-term relationships.

How do you use LinkedIn to build a pipeline for life?

LinkedIn replaces the old Rolodex concept by allowing you to systematically build connections on connections - leveraging existing relationships to expand your network, connecting people with people, and creating a broad framework for future opportunities over time.

What three things do most companies care about when looking to grow?

Acquiring new customers, retaining existing customers, and increasing customer lifetime value. Understanding these core business drivers, along with profit margins and cashflow dynamics, is essential to credibly engaging with decision-makers.

Why is conceptual thinking important in sales conversations?

Conceptual thinking allows you to quickly process information and distill complex details into simple frameworks during conversations, making prospects feel understood and allowing you to engage at a strategic level rather than getting lost in tactical details.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

4 / 20

The entire 9-minute episode consists almost exclusively of well-worn sales platitudes - trust, hard work, networking, experience - with zero non-obvious claims or novel frameworks. Even the framing device ('pipeline for life') reduces to 'think long-term,' a thoroughly unremarkable idea.

Step one, sales is a trust game. everything you do should be done through the lens of building trust with another individual.
Step two, you have to do the work.

Originality

5 / 20

'Seller market fit' is the only even marginally fresh reframe of an existing concept, but it is dropped almost immediately with no development. Everything else - Rolodex-to-LinkedIn evolution, trust-first selling, the long game - is recycled conventional sales wisdom with no contrarian or first-principles thinking.

I like to think of seller market fit
The concept of pipeline for life is super important to me because I think it really separates sellers in the marketplace. It sets you up with a distinct advantage over those other people out there who have short-term thinking.

Guest Caliber

3 / 20

This is a solo monologue by the host; there is no guest whatsoever. The host references selling to CMOs and sales leaders but offers no evidence of scale, notable deals, or practitioner depth that would elevate the credibility of the advice given.

Personally, I sell in the sales and marketing world. I sell to marketers. I sell to sales leaders, the CMOs, that's a good fit for my universe.
in today's episode, we're going to deviate from our standard interview format. And I'm going to provide you with seven steps to building a pipeline for life.

Specificity & Evidence

3 / 20

There are virtually no concrete numbers, named companies, timelines, or case studies in the entire episode. The closest thing to specificity is a generic mention of standard business metrics and LinkedIn as a networking tool, neither of which is actionable or illustrative.

At the very high level, anytime a company is looking to grow, which is most organizations, they care about three things. They care about acquiring new customers. They care about retaining their customers and then increasing that lifetime value.
LinkedIn is a great example of this.

Conversational Craft

3 / 20

The episode is an uninterrupted solo monologue with no questions, no follow-ups, and no opportunity for pushback or productive tension. The structure is a numbered listicle read aloud, with no probing of any claim or acknowledgment of counterarguments.

Without further ado, let's jump right into it.
Play the long game, build a pipeline for life. Thank you for joining Love Selling Hate Sales. Please subscribe on your favorite podcast channel.

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Most-used words

pipeline12step11life9building9build9experience9sales8trust8market8connections8concept6help6selling5super5important5seller5

Episode notes

WHY PLAN FOR A WEEK, MONTH, OR YEAR IF YOU CAN PLAN FOR LIFE? If you are a seller planning to be successful in sales and in life, it is very important to have a process to follow, and we are not talking about the sales process here. In this episode, Josh talks about the concept of a pipeline for life and the 7 steps for you to take in building your pipeline for life. Learn more in detail in this latest episode of Love Selling Hate Sales. HIGHLIGHTS: UNDERSTAND WHO YOU’RE ENGAGING “Anytime you engage with somebody, you better know how they make money. And even further, better know how they look at profit. Are they a public company? Are they reporting to their shareholders? Are they a private company that's looking to grow or look for acquisition?” PUT IN THE WORK, GAIN EXPERIENCE “You need to gain experience along the way and use that experience to mold who you are. What's your point of view? How can you help to grow connections, and help people out no matter what it is you're doing?” About Josh Wagner: Josh is a growth advisor and the host of the Love Selling Hate Sales podcast.

Full transcript

9 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Love Selling Hates Sales. Let's face it, sales is a performance-based game. It's our job to produce revenue results for either our own organization or the organization that we're working for. Pipeline is of the utmost importance.

But what if we didn't think about pipeline for the month or for the quarter or even for the year? What if we thought about pipeline for a life? The concept of pipeline for life is super important to me because I think it really separates sellers in the marketplace. It sets you up with a distinct advantage over those other people out there who have short-term thinking.

Those people that are thinking about the month, the quarter, the year. If you have a pipeline for life mentality, you have the best interest of the person that you're speaking with at heart. And that will differentiate you from your competition. So in today's episode, we're going to deviate from our standard interview format.

And I'm going to provide you with seven steps to building a pipeline for life. Without further ado, let's jump right into it. Step one, sales is a trust game. everything you do should be done through the lens of building trust with another individual.

So think about how that changes any interaction you may have. Instead of thinking about what you're selling, instead of thinking about your product, your service, think about what you can do to build trust with the person on the other side of the phone and the other side of the desk, wherever you may be. That will change your mindset for how you approach that individual. We're not thinking about the outcome, we're thinking about the person on the other side.

Super important concept. Step one, trust. Step two, you have to do the work. And I know there's all of these different thoughts on social selling, cold calling, emailing, whatever it may be, regardless of the channel, the methodology you have to put in the work, especially early in your career.

But I will tell you that if you put in the work you get yourself in front of as many people as possible You start to build and build and build It will help you later in your career to lessen that load The concept of pipeline for life is built on building, doing the work early, building a solid foundation so that at the end, you are going to reap the benefits of the pipeline for life. It's super important, but it doesn't come without work. So step two, make sure you're putting in the work, especially early on in your career.

Step three, something that I find very important. There's always this concept of product market fit. Well, I like to think of seller market fit, and this really comes down to you and your personality. So have some self-awareness.

Where do you fit well? Who do you sell well to? Personally, I sell in the sales and marketing world. I sell to marketers.

I sell to sales leaders, the CMOs, that's a good fit for my universe. But maybe you're more of a technical salesperson and selling into a world where you sell to engineers is a better fit for you. Use a little bit of self-awareness and understand a product, a service, a market, more importantly, that really fits you, something that you're going to be passionate about. Because if you're passionate about that market, how you fit in that marketplace, it's going to help you with steps one and two, building trust and putting in the work.

So step three, seller market fit. It's super important. Step four, connection. This ties in very, very closely to trust, but it's more about connecting with other individuals and then using those connections to expand your network.

LinkedIn is a great example of this. When I started my sales career, there was no LinkedIn. There's the concept of the Rolodex, right? Every seller had this Rolodex of people that they could call on the people that knew them, trusted them, did business of them.

The idea behind that Rolodex was that you could use it to get to other places. You could use those connections to make further connections. Now we have LinkedIn to help us with that, but it's your job as a seller to continue to build connections on connections. When you meet someone, if you're building trust, you're putting in the work and you know your market it easier for you to make solid foundational connections and move on and move forward to help connecting that network That could be you connecting people with people people connecting you with people but really start to build out a framework for helping to broaden your network through connection The fifth, it's super critical.

Understand the business of business. You can't be in sales without understanding fundamentally how businesses work, what they care about, how they make money. At the very high level, anytime a company is looking to grow, which is most organizations, they care about three things. They care about acquiring new customers.

They care about retaining their customers and then increasing that lifetime value. On the other side of it, there are profit margins, right? So how does a company make money? How does their profits get calculated?

What is their acquisition cost? What is their overhead? How do they look at cashflow? Really start to understand what a CEO, a founder in your industry is thinking about.

Anytime you're going to engage with someone, you better know how they make money. And even further, better know how they look at profit. Are they a public company? Are they reporting to their shareholders?

Are they a private company that's looking to grow or look for acquisition, really start to understand the business landscape and how businesses work. And if you can tie that into the market that you serve even better, that'll grow your expertise. Step six, and this is one of my personal favorites. It's conceptual thinking.

Oftentimes we get taken down a rabbit hole of the details and our prospects and our buyers will do this to you as well. But one of the things that I pride myself in, and I suggest that you do as well, is have the ability to process information quickly. Active listening is critical here. As you're taking in information, have a framework in your mind that allows you to plug the things that people are saying into a conceptual framework that allows you to engage with that person on the other end.

Something that happens in my business all the time is you get a brain dump. People will come in and they will dump 10 minutes of information on you of what's going on in their business You have to quickly process that information distill it down into very simple concepts that allow them to feel that you are understanding them So really get into conceptual thinking that allows you to connect with your prospects and your buyers. And finally, step seven is the application of experience.

I hate to say it, but there are no shortcuts. Nothing helps you separate yourself like experience. This ties back into step two is put in the work. And step five, understand the business of business.

You need to gain experience along the way and use that experience to mold who you are. What's your point of view? How can you help to grow connections, help people out no matter what it is you're doing? Then once you've gained the requisite amount of experience, I'm not here to say how long that is.

sometimes you can compress a large amount of experience in a short period of time sometimes it may take a little bit longer it doesn't really matter but make sure that as you're gaining your experience you're starting to build out the application of that what's your point of view how does that experience mold who you are and shape how you fit in the marketplace again the concept of this show is really about building out the pipeline for life not having short-term or near-term thinking about the month, the quarter, or the year.

If you take these seven steps of building trust, putting in the work, finding the right fit market for you as a seller, building and helping people make connections, understanding the business of business, leveraging conceptual thinking, and applying your experience, you will build a pipeline for life that outpaces any sort of near torn pipeline. Play the long game, build a pipeline for life. Thank you for joining Love Selling Hate Sales. Please subscribe on your favorite podcast channel.

And you can find me on LinkedIn. I'm Josh Wagner AZ or at lovesellinghatesales.com.

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