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Humans Leading Humans

Hosted by Katz Kiely, CEO of beep

Listed under Business › Management

Nuggets of lived wisdom from inspirational senior leaders from corporations and governments, behavioural scientists and future of work experts. Katz Kiely has led transformation in some of the worlds most risk averse organisations for 20 years including the UN.

37 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2022-08-11 · ~38 min/episode

Rank

#1837

Substance

69.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-08
Updated monthly

Leadership rank

#186 of 1042

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Across the index

#1837 of 6219

Substance

Top 30%

outscores 70% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Humans Leading Humans ranks #1837 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 69.0 out of 100, scored across 2 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and conversational craft. Pete Markey is CMO of Boots UK (part of Walgreens Boots Alliance, a NASDAQ 100 company), which signals genuine operational scale and real P&L responsibility. He has demonstrable experience across multiple categories (insurance, banking, retail, telecom) and speaks with the texture of someone who has navigated large organizational complexity. However, the transcript reveals relatively limited specificity about Boots' strategy or recent decisions; much content is retrospective reflection rather than current operational insight.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 2 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

13.0 / 20

The episode contains several meaningful leadership observations - particularly around active listening, the dangers of problem-solving for others, and challenging assumed constraints - but these ideas are largely familiar (listening is good; let teams develop; question the status quo). The 'Yes, And' improv technique is the freshest concept, but the episode spends considerable time on personal storytelling and host commentary that dilutes insight density. Most substantive material could be extracted into 5-7 minutes of core lessons.

“you are cheating people out of their development... the next time someone comes in with a problem, ask them what they think they should do about it”

“Yes. And because we're on the beach, we can get an ice cream and ride a donkey... blocking in improvised comedy... suddenly I've stopp the scene”

Originality

12.0 / 20

While the execution is warm and personal, the underlying ideas - psychological resistance to change, the value of diverse perspectives, avoiding micromanagement, co-creation in brief development - are well-trodden in management literature. The improv 'Yes, And' technique is a refreshing application to business meetings, but the overall framework lacks contrarian or first-principles thinking. No genuine challenge to conventional wisdom emerges.

“we make what we think people want to hear or see as opposed to what they actually need to hear or see”

“it forces discipline, doesn't it?”

Guest Caliber

17.5 / 20

Pete Markey is CMO of Boots UK (part of Walgreens Boots Alliance, a NASDAQ 100 company), which signals genuine operational scale and real P&L responsibility. He has demonstrable experience across multiple categories (insurance, banking, retail, telecom) and speaks with the texture of someone who has navigated large organizational complexity. However, the transcript reveals relatively limited specificity about Boots' strategy or recent decisions; much content is retrospective reflection rather than current operational insight.

“Chief Marketing Officer of Boots uk, which is part of this huge global conglomerate called Walgreens Boots alliance, which is a NASDAQ 100 company”

“I've had quite a journey getting into marketing... British Gas... the AA... insurance... retail... banking”

Specificity & Evidence

13.0 / 20

The Post Office Money campaign is the most concrete example (30-second ad, too many products, Robert Webb, sausage dog Doobie), but even this lacks hard metrics - no response rates, revenue impact, or audience research cited. The insurance press ad caveat anecdote (25% of space) is vague. The coaching insight about problem-solving lacks names, context, or quantifiable behavioral change. Most claims are illustrative rather than data-backed; no customer research, A/B tests, revenue figures, or timeline specifics anchor the advice.

“Robert Web is literally shouting products at you... it was just too busy... gives you a headache”

“it was taking up on some short format ads... probably about 25% of the advert”

Conversational Craft

13.5 / 20

The host asks solid follow-up questions ('What would you do differently?', 'Have you had any experiences where you've bulldozed?') and genuinely builds on Pete's ideas rather than delivering pure softball. However, the host frequently pivots to personal commentary and theory (Create Framework, Dan Ariely reference, internal comms rant) rather than pressing deeper into Pete's specific decisions or challenging his claims. There is limited pushback or productive disagreement; the tone is uniformly affirming. The host rarely digs into metrics, trade-offs, or failure modes.

“So what would you do differently now if you were... because one of the things, when you're working in an agency, you're trying to navigate the complexity”

“But we're still back to this. Humans are hardwired to believe that their own ideas are the best ideas. So do you... do you have any tips”

Standout episodes

  • #EP36: Leaving a Legacy - with Pete Markey

    2022-07-21

    76
  • #EP37: Everyone is Important! with Greg Reed

    2022-08-11

    62

Rank over time

2 periods tracked.

Episodes

2 scored on substance · 37 tracked in total.

  • #EP37: Everyone is Important! with Greg Reed

    2022-08-11 · 47 min

    62 / 100
  • #EP36: Leaving a Legacy - with Pete Markey

    2022-07-21 · 40 min

    76 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Humans Leading Humans's substance score?
Humans Leading Humans scores 69.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1837 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 70% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #186 of 1042 in Leadership. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Humans Leading Humans worth listening to?
Yes - Humans Leading Humans outscores 70% of the B2B leadership podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a leadership operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Humans Leading Humans?
Humans Leading Humans is hosted by Katz Kiely, CEO of beep.
How often does Humans Leading Humans publish?
Humans Leading Humans publishes fortnightly, has 37 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2022-08-11.
Which Humans Leading Humans episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "#EP36: Leaving a Legacy - with Pete Markey" (76/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

Places for PeopleMBARBSHomeServe UKBEAPFrontline LiveBoots ukWalgreens Boots AllianceNASDAQ 100Marketing SocietyWPPPost Office MoneyBritish GasAA

Guests who've appeared

Greg ReedPete Markey

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

employee retentionGreat ResignationPlaces for PeopleMB&ARBSHomeServe UKCreate Frameworksocial enterprise leadershipculture auditsbehavioral science in leadershipIKEA effectDirect mail marketingPost Office Money campaignRobert Webb advertisingBoots UK (Walgreens Boots Alliance)WPP agencyMarketing SocietyConnections Planning

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