Disambiguation · 2026-04-01 · 45 min
Your AI agents are running. But can you go to sleep at night knowing they won't send 3,000 emails to the same person, run up a $3,000 bill overnight, or give away refunds your business can't afford? In this episode, Michael Fauscette sits down with Logan Kelly, CEO of Waxell AI, to explore why governance for agentic systems is not observability, not guardrails, and not something you bolt on after deployment. It's a dedicated plane that has to be there from the start. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Introduction 00:45 - Logan's journey from CallSine (autonomous sales agents) to Waxell AI 03:55 - What a governance plane actually does and why the distinction matters 07:06 - Why "we'll deal with governance later" is a dangerous bet 09:34 - 26 governance categories and 200-300 policies per agent fleet 10:20 - Deterministic observability vs.
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