
Demoted · 2025-08-05 · 46 min
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6 / 100
Five dimensions, 20 points each
After 77 episodes and a year and a half on air, Demoted is taking a break. Co-host Natalie called Ross about a month ago to explain she needed to step back due to overwhelming stress - her cortisol and stress levels were dangerously high, she's planning a wedding, her fiancé is graduating business school, and she's building her own company. While the decision is bittersweet (the podcast just went viral with their Thomas Curran episode hitting 500,000 downloads, and their office suddenly got a full snack shelf), both hosts emphasize this isn't the end, just a pause. Ross remains open to continuing Demoted in some form, and they've committed to creating content together in new ways. The episode becomes a nostalgic trip through memorable guests - Simone Stolzoff, Vivian Tu on finance, Saheel Bloom, MG from DoorDash, Katie O'Brien on Hollywood, T-Boy, Julia Hart from Eventbrite, Dr. Emily Anhalt, Dr. Thomas Curran on perfectionism, and Amy Lentz on HR. To mark the occasion, Ross and Natalie finally did episode prep for the first time, writing LinkedIn recommendations for each other that blend roasting with genuine appreciation - revealing their deep working relationship and why they've built something worth pausing but not abandoning.
Natalie cited extreme burnout and stress - her cortisol and stress levels were dangerously high, she's managing wedding planning, her fiancé's business school graduation, and building her own company. She needed to take something off her plate to be more present in her life and address her mental and physical health.
Ross says the future is 'up in the air' and he's considering whether to keep Demoted going in some other capacity, though he acknowledges it wouldn't be the same without Natalie. Both hosts have committed to continuing to create content together in new forms.
The Dr. Thomas Curran episode on perfectionism went viral with 500,000 downloads, with the clip gaining massive traction partly because Natalie was buried under pillows during the recording.
Demoted completed 77 episodes with 12 guest appearances (beating their original goal of 10 for 2025), including Simone Stolzoff, Vivian Tu, Saheel Bloom, MG from DoorDash, Katie O'Brien, T-Boy, Julia Hart, Dr. Emily Anhalt, Dr. Thomas Curran, Amy Lentz, and others.
For the first time in the podcast's history, they did episode prep work and wrote LinkedIn recommendations for each other - a blend of roast and genuine appreciation that revealed their deep working relationship and creative compatibility.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
This episode contains zero B2B insights. It is entirely a farewell/retrospective episode composed of personal anecdotes, mutual LinkedIn toasts, a corporate confession joke, a prostate exam story, and a sponsor read for cannabis gummies. No actionable content exists for any B2B operator.
I still just don't think we need to inconvenience people who haven't had kids because some people chose to have kids. I still stand by that.
I clean up poo poo pee pee like, five or six times a day.
There is no business thinking of any kind present in this episode to evaluate for originality or contrarianism. The entire runtime is personal reminiscing, inside jokes, and emotional goodbyes with no conceptual content whatsoever.
Poo, poo pee, pee for me. Promoted.
I still. I still laugh at it.
No guests appear in this episode at all. Past notable guests like Thomas Curran and Julia Harts (Eventbrite co-founder) are name-dropped in retrospect but contribute nothing to this recording.
It's very special day in the studio. We have our full team here, minus Fishy.
Julia Harts, co founder of Eventbrite.
A small number of concrete figures appear but they all relate to the podcast's own metrics rather than any business evidence useful to operators. No data, case studies, or operational specifics of any B2B relevance are present.
77 episodes, I believe.
our Thomas Curran episode went mega viral. It had half a million listens, downloads.
There is no interview structure, no challenging questions, and no probing of any business claim in this episode. The conversation is a warm, unstructured farewell between two friends with no craft relevant to B2B learning.
I just grabbed my quill, I lit a candle, and I wrote this thing by hand.
I just keep talking so it doesn't have to end. So it doesn't have to end.
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
Every show has a finale. Ours just includes LinkedIn endorsements and a walk down memory lane.I t’s the Demoted season finale, and we’ve got some hard-to-deliver news - plus one last corporate confession to soften the blow. We kick things off with an end-of-quarter blowout involving a questionable “implementation partner,” then reflect on the journey that brought us here and exchange some heartfelt LinkedIn endorsements. Finally, we close out with a round of Promoted or Demoted featuring fatherhood, getting canceled, and the world’s least welcome calendar invite: a prostate exam. Go to and use promo code DEMOTED for 30% off your first order We want to hear from you! Send in your Corporate Confessions, Dear Demoted questions, and Shout-outs
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Speaker A: Hey everyone.
Speaker B: Hey everyone.
Speaker A: It's Demoted.
Speaker B: It's your favorite Tuesday podcast, Demoted. It's very special day in the studio. We have our full team here, minus Fishy.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: Who's our newest unpaid intern?
Speaker A: Yep. Yep.
Speaker B: We have Annie Riley on my side, Becca on your side.
Speaker A: And of course the beanbag baddies.
Speaker B: And the beanbag baddies.
Speaker A: We're back in this bitch.
Speaker B: We are back. And should we break it to them? Demoted. Let's do a corporate confession.
Speaker A: Let's do a corporate confession. And then we'll. And then we'll.
Speaker B: Yeah, we have some news for you.
Speaker A: Yeah, I will read this one.
Speaker B: Thank you so much.
Speaker A: Submitted by Piping Hot Tea. I used to work for a very well known company. After 15 plus years, an established self proclaimed family man that was a, uh, sales rvp was forced to retire early. On his way out, he hosted all his AES and managers for one last EOQ blowout dinner. He brought a woman with him that he had previously brought to Dreamforce and other well known conferences. He reintroduces her as an implementation partner and then he had to leave early. Once he left, One of the AES, uh, turned to the woman, said, how long have you been working as X Company? The woman responds, I don't know what he's talking about. I'm a hooker. We never saw the RVP again.
Speaker B: I love that. I think that's a great, that's a great segue.
Speaker A: Implementation partner. I'm a hooker. In a lot of ways. She was an implementation partner. He was just implementing. That's his hardware on. Well, her software.
Speaker B: And I just love the confidence. It's like, I'm sorry, I don't do what you guys do. I'm a hooker.
Speaker A: Yeah, um, I'm sorry, I think we got confused here. I'm simply a hooker.
Speaker B: I'm also working.
Speaker A: So.
Speaker B: Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker A: This, it was a work dinner for her, to be honest. And I love that he had brought her to Dreamforce and other various conferences. That's nice. And then he just dipped.
Speaker B: All right, now, now the cat's out of the bag. She. She talked. She talked a little bit too much.
Speaker A: That was like his last supper.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Yeah. His last meal before execution.
Speaker B: We do have some news. And I will, I will lead this.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: For the motorheads.
Speaker A: Lead this. Motorheads. And look deep into the camera when you say it.
Speaker B: About a month ago I called Ross.
Speaker A: She's not pregnant.
Speaker B: Crying. I was crying and I said, I'm pregnant. I said, tell them. Can you say it?
Speaker A: Yes, I will. Say. I will say it. Natalie called me about a month ago, and, you know, this had been building to a point where she's a busy gal, she's got a lot of shit going on, and she's getting married, and her fiance is graduating business school, and she's working on her company and of course, you know, doing Lucky Charms ads. Um, and so at that point, it felt like demoted was too much time. Um, know, we talk about energy givers and energy takers, and I think it just came to a point where it was taking too much energy. It was taking too much time, and. Don't let me put words in your mouth. I'm merely talking until you're ready.
Speaker B: Nope. And, um, so right now, the podcast, my fiance. And, um. Yeah, it's. Yes, you. You said it perfectly.
Speaker A: So the future of the podcast right
Speaker B: now is up in the air.
Speaker A: Up in the air, up in the.
Speaker B: I do need a break. I think this is something that we've talked about. Burnout. We've talked about being overworked at your job. Um, I had to take something off the plate. I am so, so stressed. I did a. I did a blood work test, and they're like, everything looks great, but your cortisol and your stress is higher than anything we've seen. I was like, oh, okay. And they're. And they say, you're not getting any sleep. The oxygenation of your blood cells is horrible. It's no excuse. I. I feel like with everything in my life, I've just powered through and got it done. But especially with wedding planning, I. I just really want to be present. I feel. I feel like I'm not present with anything I'm doing. And, yeah, it's sad, but not just.
Speaker A: You're not. Not present. Not just because of demoted. It's not like demoted is the problem.
Speaker B: I just had to take one thing off to, like, be able to lift my head up and breathe. Demoted is amazing.
Speaker A: I. I'm just trying to tell them it's. It's not them. It's you, it's me.
Speaker B: It's fully me.
Speaker A: And there's not the Motorheads.
Speaker B: It's me. Yeah. And I think it's been. We're gonna, like, spend some time, this episode, talking about some memories from the pod. It's been a great, like. Has it been a year and a half?
Speaker A: Year and a half. 77 episodes, I believe.
Speaker B: And, of course, right as we are heading out the door, we've known this for. By the way, guys, we've known this for the last, like, Four episode recordings. We just have not said anything to you. And of course, right as we're heading out the door, not only does our, our office here get a full snack shelf, it looks like it's a utopia in there. We're always starving.
Speaker A: Just cold brew.
Speaker B: There's cold, there's like, there's kombucha on
Speaker A: tap, there's healthy chips.
Speaker B: Hang on, what's happening? Like, I just found that little moldy beef jerky and I've been nibbling on it for months. Not only does that happen with the office kitchen, but our Thomas Curran episode went mega viral.
Speaker A: Had like half a million views or something.
Speaker B: It had half a million listens, downloads.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Um, so all signs are pointing to Natalie, you're killing the pod. Stop doing that. And it's made it even more emotional and also made us just think more on like, could there be a future at a different date maybe?
Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, before you all ask, yes. I texted her, called her several different times to be like, are you sure? Like, do you want us? And I was like, I shouldn't do that. But I'm like, I have to just like try.
Speaker B: Well, the salesman. You had to.
Speaker A: It would be, it would be wrong because I do think that there's something here and I think we've been onto something for a long time and growing a podcast is super hard. And at the end of the day, like you know, we've talked about it, we've joked about it, like this isn't a money making venture for us. Like we've invested a lot of time and resources and you know, time is precious and uh, I've loved it personally just cause it's like the one place I actually get to be more myself and you know, and banter with someone who makes me a funnier person. Um, um. But at the end of the day, like I, I'm still considering whether or not trying to keep demoted going in some other capacity. I know it simply wouldn't be the same and most of you will probably be like, fuck that noise. But I'm going to kick it around. I'm going to see if there is sort of another way to approach demoted. At least until, you know, Natalie gets married and then realizes, hey, I have nothing else. I have nothing else.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: And you want to come crawling back
Speaker B: to these beanbags when I, when I get canceled married and have a kid, maybe. Um, I'll be back.
Speaker A: You'll be back.
Speaker B: I'll be back in business.
Speaker A: That's a lot. That's a lot of time.
Speaker B: Though, But I did. I did say to Ross, I think, two things. One, I said to him when I called him, like, please keep doing this. You are the clear better half of this podcast. You're so good at it. You're hilarious. It would be sad if it went away entirely because of my stupid decisions and my choices. And then I also said we need to continue seeing each other and making content together, because like you said, this is my. One of my favorite parts of the week of being creative and having that. I think just everything that comes with a podcast and the prep and the speaking into a mic for an hour is difficult. Um, and it's more draining than other things that we do. And I think Ross and I, as a duo are not going anywhere. We hope you can still continue to follow us across channels. We might start something new in the future that looks different. I don't know. We love working together. There's no issues there. We love each other. We are just simply. This is. This is closing of this chapter for now.
Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, look, maybe this, all of a sudden, you guys realize what you're missing. And when you said you were gonna reach out to your three best friends and force them to listen, maybe now you will. And this builds a huge cult following. We have no choice. And Spotify is like, fine, we'll give you $40 million just to keep going.
Speaker B: Yeah. Uh, we sign a huge deal.
Speaker A: Fine.
Speaker B: A call her daddy esque sort of thing. Like taking a mental health break from work or stepping away from something, or even stepping away from that toxic friend for a bit just makes you realize, yeah, maybe I actually miss going out with her and doing drugs.
Speaker A: Maybe I am the toxic one. Maybe I was the toxic one all along. I don't know.
Speaker B: I look in the mirror and realize I'm a worse person without demoted.
Speaker A: Yeah. Um, I hope you. I hope you come to that realization.
Speaker B: And, guys, yeah, I hope in two weeks I'm sitting in the bag saying, I'm sorry. That was a huge, huge mistake.
Speaker A: I don't think that'll happen in two weeks because she'll be in France. But maybe when you get back from France.
Speaker B: Of France. Yeah, just. We'll figure it out. We'll see. But when I come back and apologize, I hope you guys can welcome me with open arms.
Speaker A: Yeah, we've seen how good Natalie is at apologies, so
Speaker B: I think we'll be reminiscing on that today.
Speaker A: We will be reminiscing on that today. Um, so there you guys go. There. You know, we. 77 episodes 200 plus corporate confessions and Dear Demoteds. Uh, we had a goal of guests in 2025.
Speaker B: What was our goal?
Speaker A: Our goal was 10.
Speaker B: Really? And we had 12.
Speaker A: And we had 12.
Speaker B: Wow.
Speaker A: 12.
Speaker B: Um, let's take a trip down memory lane for a few of these guests. Simone Stolzoff was our first guest, and
Speaker A: I think we came out hot.
Speaker B: That made. That made me. That was so invigorating. It was to me, career wise, overall, one of my career highs. He is so smart, well spoken. It made us realize, wow, we actually do have this skill of interviewing someone.
Speaker A: And also, like, isn't it great to get someone just better than us on here?
Speaker B: Oh, it was fantastic.
Speaker A: Bars low, fortunately. But, like, we were just like, wow, why don't we just sit here and I love this pot. Listening to this, this podcast.
Speaker B: I like listening live.
Speaker A: If the host shut the up.
Speaker B: Uh, personally. Yeah, we had Vivian, too.
Speaker A: Money. Crazy money.
Speaker B: Finance expert.
Speaker A: Finance expert.
Speaker B: You're rich. Bff. If you haven't seen her content, she dropped that. We had a viral clip from that episode that was about splitting rent with your partner.
Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
Speaker B: And of course.
Speaker A: And that got contentious for no reason.
Speaker B: Oh, wait. But if a woman pays more, that's.
Speaker A: Then. Then, like, why is she with that guy then?
Speaker B: That's wrong.
Speaker A: That's wrong.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Right?
Speaker B: So that was a lot of fun learnings from that.
Speaker A: Yes. Society's still very sexist. We knew that. But we know that more now.
Speaker B: The Calling Pelly app is live right now as we're recording this.
Speaker A: That's true. That's true. And we have another guest episode that had just come out right before this.
Speaker B: Oh, wow.
Speaker A: With, um, Saheel Bloom.
Speaker B: So maybe we've actually known for a really long time from when this is releasing. And we're sorry. We didn't drop even a single Easter egg.
Speaker A: Yeah, I. I like the thought. Crossed my mind a couple times because it. You know, it. It sucks. I get messages. Like, I even got one today. Like, hey, from a motorhead listener. Heard you talking about the kid. Just want to tell you this. Anyway, keep up the great work. And I just want to be like, sigh like man frowning emoji. Thank you. Yeah. Smile, Cry face, smiling.
Speaker B: Just your spot. Now that it's out, you can just say, thanks so much. Natalie killed it.
Speaker A: Yeah, well, uh, my. You know, my fear was that everybody was going to be like, well, it's because Ross had a kid, and I've actually never had more time.
Speaker B: He's.
Speaker A: Because I cut everything off my plate before that.
Speaker B: Way better version of himself with a kid.
Speaker A: It's true.
Speaker B: You're. I love you with a kid.
Speaker A: Me too. It's way better.
Speaker B: You're kind of happier.
Speaker A: Yeah, I'm more chill. I might. I lost a little bit of that Ed. That angry edge.
Speaker B: Yeah. You can't just like, take a Saturday to force all your family and friends into an office. No, to film stuff.
Speaker A: I haven't done that in so long.
Speaker B: I know.
Speaker A: I really need to get that going again. Um, had MG from Door Dash bringing in that, you know, se suite sort of vibe, telling us what's good in the hood.
Speaker B: Katie o' Brien Just. Just a bomb out of nowhere where we just talked about Hollywood.
Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys want that? Yeah, cuz you got it.
Speaker B: You got it. We gave you a little sampling.
Speaker A: The business of Hollywood production and all that stuff. T boy, I think kind of a fan favorite.
Speaker B: Oh, I love T boy. I tell Ross all the time, I'm like, if we could be 1% more like these two dudes, our lives would be a hundred times better.
Speaker A: Yeah. Tboy. Uh, podcast if you guys want some great stuff that's, you know, to fill the. Fill the void of doing. And they. And they make podcasts every day.
Speaker B: A couple more highlight abs. Julia Harts, co founder of Eventbrite.
Speaker A: Yep. Dropping some exact knowledge. Dr. Emily Anhalt forced us to do a little, uh, little therapy session. Little therapy. IRL therapy in front of each other, which was awesome. Y.
Speaker B: Listen to that.
Speaker A: Epic. Something Natalie needs a lot of. Hopefully she feels demoted time with therapy time. I hope you should. It's awesome.
Speaker B: I'd have to do all the prep where I do my bits before.
Speaker A: Well, yeah, and then you do the bits during. Then you're like, I know I'm making this joke because I'm deeply insecure and it's fine. I'm miserable. But anyway.
Speaker B: Do you do bits during therapy?
Speaker A: Oh, yeah. My. My therapist, he talks maybe 1% of the time because I'm just like. And I know I'm saying this because of this, but also that. And that's why I'm like so hyper aware. I just call it way too aware.
Speaker B: I'm way too aware. And I. And I say I've never. I've never just said a thought without a follow up or something. Um, disclaimer.
Speaker A: I'm like, if you're gonna sit there silently, let me fill this void.
Speaker B: Of course.
Speaker A: I got to say he's just like
Speaker B: doing emails during your. During your session.
Speaker A: He's like, yeah, we just are at 51 minutes. Now, because we only do 50 minute sessions. Should we just get a time on the books? And I'm like, uh, oh, yeah. I mean, sure.
Speaker B: Oh, I was sort of talking about. For sure. Yep.
Speaker A: Yeah, let's.
Speaker B: I'll see you next week.
Speaker A: No, no, I was about to cry. I didn't. So we can save that for next week for sure. Perfect.
Speaker B: Maybe next year you'll need to warm up to cry.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: The other. This was the guest heard round the world.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: This Next one, um, Dr. Thomas Curran talking about perfectionism.
Speaker A: It's the British accent. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
Speaker B: I was buried in a pile of pillows during the app.
Speaker A: You were.
Speaker B: Which was shocking as to how it
Speaker A: went viral and maybe that's why.
Speaker B: Of course, that's what 500,000 people saw.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Was me, like, shrouded behind, like, under a couch.
Speaker A: They don't even know that a massive beer pong tournament took place merely minutes after that episode was recorded.
Speaker B: And we never talked about it.
Speaker A: Never talked about.
Speaker B: Funniest review we read was like, I can't believe Natalie's bravery for not addressing that.
Speaker A: And once again, we did address it. We just cut it. Which makes it funnier.
Speaker B: We cut everything.
Speaker A: We got everything.
Speaker B: We should do, like, an uncut episode.
Speaker A: Director's cut of Director's Cut, where I was trying to reread Ross and I for now.
Speaker B: About a year after launching the pod. We thought this would happen way sooner. We thought this would happen once. Is a fan edit.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B: Like a slow mo. Us, uh, cracking up in shrimp mode.
Speaker A: Or just like, someone editing all the different ways we talk about the subscribe button or, like, button.
Speaker B: Yeah, that would be so funny.
Speaker A: That would be funny.
Speaker B: Maybe we'll have BO do a little. Little postmortem project. Ah, Just release that.
Speaker A: Just a Bloopers episode. Of course. I had Amy Lentz, um, hack your hr. She is a savage, and she is not like the other hrs.
Speaker B: So to make this podcast a special final episode, Ross and I, for the first time in the history of the pod, did a little prep work.
Speaker A: Yeah. You're welcome, Talon.
Speaker B: Talon. You're welcome. Our producer's been begging us to prepare for months, years, maybe more. And this time we were like, you know what? Let's Write a little LinkedIn recommendation for each other.
Speaker A: Yep. Now, these haven't been posted. They may be posted by the time you're listening to this. I don't know tbd.
Speaker B: I'm confused because I started this five days ago. I was nervous. I wanted it to be perfect. And I texted Ross and I said, what's the vibe you're going for? I'm so insecure about everything I do these days. I'm like, wait, so is it more of a roast? And then Ross said, my goal is to make you cry. And I said, oh, we're being really,
Speaker A: really nice or really mean. I said cry. Didn't mean happy cry. Could have been sad. Uh, cry.
Speaker B: Storm out crying. Okay, got it. Perfect. Angry cry. Uh, but I'm going to read your LinkedIn recommendation first.
Speaker A: Okay. I'm sweaty and nervous.
Speaker B: And we also. There may be a little bit more of a toast.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Than a LinkedIn rack.
Speaker A: Yeah. I think of it like I told you. I was like, I'm going for, like, kind of the wedding toast where it's like, positive but like, some roasts in there.
Speaker B: All I know is that I just grabbed my quill, I lit a candle, and I wrote this thing by hand.
Speaker A: Good. I wrote mine in the darkness of just a little sort of sadness. Pink. Light pink. You know, fluorescent light.
Speaker B: I've had the unique pleasure of working alongside Ross as my co host on demoted fellow cast member on the set of Sales are dope and fake co worker in countless skits. After meeting in 2020 to film the Internet breaking business jargon romance video where Ross spent hours trying to capture the perfect shot and I pumped out three tiktoks during the time it took him to reset the camera, I knew we'd be lifelong friends. Me, the gen Z Brainrot TikTok addicted idiot and Ross, the creative, thoughtful, tech enabled older brother I never had. If you're looking to work with Ross in any capacity, Here are the five things you should know about him. 1. While Ross no longer works a traditional sales job, he's a true salesman at heart. Seriously, Ross can sell anything. He sells the idea that coming into a hot office building on a weekend to film skits with him is fun. While his friends and family members watch him refilm the same line 100 times, Raj graciously repays them with a bag of chips from the office kitchen. While he may not provide lunch to his unpaid laborers, the fact that his friends and family continue to show up week after week is a testament to his character. They show up because they know he would do the same for them. Number two, Ross is persistent. Whether he's asking me to read season two of Sales are dope or attempting to schedule a double date with me and my fiance, Ross doesn't give up. He haunts you across platforms that's true. If a text wasn't enough, he'll reshare the scripts over email. I've received countless reminders to read the show daily while I poke fun. He really is the necessary glue that keeps me on track and reminds me to pick my head up and remember the important things in life. Number three this will just be another hour by the way guys, just so you know.
Speaker A: Christ, mine's not this long.
Speaker B: This will be another hour. Number three he understands the importance of work life balance Someone recently asked to meet with Ross at 1pm on a Friday, to which he responded, what the I'll be golfing. Ross believes in work hard, play hardish mentality. He's got his own unique working style that doesn't conform to traditional norms. His peak productivity Midnight. Unless you're counting his hours. Log gaming on Twitch as work. In that case, he's one of the hardest workers I know. Thank you. I am Number four Ross has Serious Acting Range if you think Ross has one character, a young mid 20s SDR, you're completely wrong. I've seen Ross play hundreds of characters, some of which would get him canceled. His British pirate could get him casted in the Pirates of the Caribbean reboot, he plays a sexually ambiguous marketer better than some of my friends in advertising. He's newly testing out his role as middle aged father. The perfectly placed bald spot gives him such a distinctive look that casting directors can only dream about. Number five this one's serious. If you're in Ross's inner circle, you are incredibly lucky. If you look only at his Instagram page, you might be quick to make judgments. Ross Pomerantz is so much more than his Instagram page. You wouldn't see that he's a loving dad, husband and friend. Ross and Becca make parenting look easy. Well, I when I visited them two weeks after their son was born, they both had a calm, balanced aura. Uh, that I've never seen in first time parents. They somehow managed to crush the parenting game and remain incredible friends. It's something everyone should aspire to. You wouldn't see that. He's one of the most patient people I know. Ross has dealt with my tardiness for three years and never throws it in my face. While he could yell at me and tell me to show up on time for once, including today, our last recording is he never holds a grudge. You wouldn't see Ross as a true creative genius, someone who actually has ideas and turns them into reality. Ross writes shows and movies. Yes, plural. Do you know how hard that is not to mention his infectious aura. In group settings. Anytime my dad interacts with him, he turns to me with the biggest smile on m my on his face, literally mid laugh and says, I love that guy. You wouldn't think that he actually cares about the tech and sales community. Ross spent countless hours building a tracker of companies hiring while layoffs were rampant. He donates privately to causes he cares about. He has an infectious curiosity, which, paired with his fierce intelligence, makes him the person I go to with any questions about advising, business advice, and how to handle serious situations, both privately and publicly. So to whoever is listening to this and curious about working with Ross, know that he is destined for greatness and you're lucky to be in his orbit.
Speaker A: Wow. That was unbelievable.
Speaker B: You liked it?
Speaker A: I loved that.
Speaker B: I only spent like, I only spent four hours writing nice things about it. Okay.
Speaker A: Mine is not that long nor that good.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: That was great. That was amazing. That was so nice.
Speaker B: I just wanted to frame that.
Speaker A: That was so nice. And we, uh, use an exact same term, which is just furthers the whole weird that you're just like the female, younger version of myself, which is weird. Sometimes you do. And I'm like, that is weird to me.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: Okay. That was unbelievable. And I hope, um, yeah, this, this won't stack up to that.
Speaker B: No, it will.
Speaker A: It won't. Here we go. Okay. Co hosting the Demoted podcast with Natalie was one of the best creative endeavors I ever embarked on. Sure, we got canceled almost immediately, but thanks to Natalie, we all learned how to not execute a public apology. Natalie is the type of person who is all in when she's with you and might as well be in a ditch under an overpass when she's not. If you ever text Natalie, you have to treat it like an email, understanding you likely won't get a response for four to six business days. But when you do get that response, it feels like getting an email notification that your deal has finally been signed. Half relief, half ecstasy, Natalie is a nonstop type, A doer and ruthless with prioritization. To you, waltzing into the office with a leprechaun outfit and nine boxes of lucky charms might seem like fun, but to Natalie, it's business. It's a 37 minute placeholder put on a calendar with a very specific color coding. Because if after 37 minutes she's not done with that video, she won't have time to cover her entire body in green paint for her next wicked bit. And although it may be hard to tell because Natalie's face can no longer Move due to the excessive Botox. She has fun. She's a ray of sunshine in an increasingly dark world. Her laugh is like a weird mixture of a witch's cackle and a churning cement mixer. I thought only ferrets could make that sound. But once again, Natalie does what others can't. While we are technically peers in our strange craft, I still consider her like a little sister, just one I'm not allowed to bully due to laws or whatever, but I'd still beat up any boy who wronged her, defend her in any unhinged Internet comment section. To quote my old professor, natalie is truly one in a million, not one of a million. I appreciate all the wisdom she has bestowed on me and for allowing me into her orbit for the last year and a half. Working together has truly been an honor. They say nothing good lasts forever, but fortunately for Natalie, that won't be a problem because she's great.
Speaker B: You are so sweet. I am crying.
Speaker A: You are great. And you are great allowing me into your orbit.
Speaker B: You told me I would cry, and I would, because you know that I'll cry. Come m on.
Speaker A: I had, uh, to.
Speaker B: I was such a crier in my old age.
Speaker A: No, it's good. You're feeling. It's good. It's good.
Speaker B: My laugh is so true. Why do I laugh like that?
Speaker A: I love it. It makes me. It makes me laugh. It's infectious. It's great.
Speaker B: It's so bad.
Speaker A: It's. It's great stuff. And, um. I love you. I know. Becca loves you. Um, I love you. We're. We were. We've talked a few times about just, like, how are we feeling about this whole, like, podcast being over? She's like, it just kind of, like, sucks. It sucks. Of course it sucks. Um, you know, it's not like I don't understand, like, it. You know, people are like. I've told, like, a few people, like, ooh, what happened? Like, nothing. Nothing.
Speaker B: Literally nothing.
Speaker A: Nothing happened.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Um, you know, it's, uh. It's just life. Like, it just, uh. It's one of those things that, you know. Do I believe we could come back? Sure. Will it look different? Probably. Will it be just as funny and unhinged as ever? Yeah. Like, I think we are the type of people that could probably go separate directions for a long time and come back, and it would be like, nothing changed completely. Like, the bit would hit immediately. It'd be over for all those.
Speaker B: When we come back, I'll have my facelift. So it'll be kind of like a New cast member just beaming. Oh, my gosh. Wow. That felt good. It's good to get just a little. Little boost of that.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Just midweek. Midweek boost.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: We should do that more often.
Speaker A: Just send each other LinkedIn stuff.
Speaker B: I mean, if these were on LinkedIn, it would be so strange.
Speaker A: People be like, what the.
Speaker B: Why am I reading this? Feel so intimate.
Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's why we didn't post them.
Speaker B: We might have to rework that, make them more roasty and then post those. But we'll see.
Speaker A: This is. This is just me. And that was too nice.
Speaker B: I will be taking that and framing that. So that'll be going in my.
Speaker A: I know. Saying I'm going to be. You know, I'll need four frames going off to set up a side by side by side sort of thing.
Speaker B: It just keeps going.
Speaker A: It's just. Okay.
Speaker B: Whoa.
Speaker A: There's five points. God damn. Okay, okay.
Speaker B: Wow. Number three, me over here.
Speaker A: Just like slowly.
Speaker B: And what after that?
Speaker A: Just like maybe a six, miss anything mix in a sixth.
Speaker B: Oh, that's good.
Speaker A: Uh, that makes me want an edible. Wait, the 1 to 1 THC. CBD. Edible? Are you sure?
Speaker B: Are you kidding me? I don't even know if we can say the word edible.
Speaker A: No, I don't think we can. We're going to say, what are you going to do? Not work with us anymore?
Speaker B: Great.
Speaker A: We're not even working with us anymore.
Speaker B: We quit ourselves.
Speaker A: We quit. We quit. But I do love. I really do love the gummies. You do? I do love the gummies. I'm just going to say it.
Speaker B: You might have taken one of these before you wrote that gorgeous, gorgeous roast toast recommendation from you.
Speaker A: Before I wrote it. Before I wrote it.
Speaker B: Of course. That's the one to one ratio of CBD and thc.
Speaker A: Yep, yep. I'm trying to make healthier choices here in 2025, and you are too. Whether it's taking stuff off your plate or in my case, taking gummies. You know, real THC, no synthetics, 100% legal hemp. Because again, we love that hemp.
Speaker B: They're going to think that we just took gummies because were both crying, have red eyes. So there you go. Cornbread. A really emotional read for you on this final.
Speaker A: That's because of the fast and free shipping.
Speaker B: I think that's why we were so
Speaker A: emotional about why I got emotional and I was like, wait a second. Is there any way for motorheads on their final episode to go sue self soothe with some gummies?
Speaker B: Of course we're Leaving. So they're going to need that.
Speaker A: Oh, well, they can serve save 30% off their first order by going to cornbread hemp.com demoted and using code demoted.
Speaker B: And that's cornbread hemp.com demoted. Code demoted. I can't believe this is the last time we're doing this.
Speaker A: Cornbread Hemp. This is the good life. Good life.
Speaker B: Wow. That. That hit good Cornbread. I hope we can partner on other channels because you know, Ross and I are your number one singers.
Speaker A: You know, I need some more. I literally have one left. I'm like, I can't take one. I need two.
Speaker B: Well, you can use code demoted at checkout.
Speaker A: That's what I'm. Yeah, but it's not my first time order is the problem. Be like my 10th. The final promo demo.
Speaker B: Let's get them on out of here
Speaker A: and then get these folks out of here. On with their lives. The next phase. Just be happy that it happened.
Speaker B: Tuesdays are going to be free. You get an hour back in your day. What are you going to do?
Speaker A: Think about that. But if you guys are super convincing and beg super hard, feel free to DM Natalie. Feel free to hit her on all channels. I'm talking LinkedIn, I'm talking Instagram. Make her feel bad.
Speaker B: Yeah, Ross will be compiling those into some sort of collage. Like the post its.
Speaker A: We have a positive way. Like, this was the best thing. Like, you saved my life. Like that type of stuff. Don't be like, I'm going to come find you type thing.
Speaker B: Yeah, no, make it positive.
Speaker A: Make it positive.
Speaker B: If it's that, I'll have to leave the city and that'll be sad.
Speaker A: Whatever you guys do, please don't review Bomb in a positive way on our channel. Like, please don't just, like, go out there, give us a bunch of five stars. Like, don't do that. Don't send this to your mom.
Speaker B: We. Guys, stop.
Speaker A: Uh, if.
Speaker B: I mean, Ross is great at making a compelling case.
Speaker A: Don't you make her come back. Don't make her come back.
Speaker B: Don't. Don't make me crawl back into this feedback. We're like, figuring out, like, when do we clean up the studio? You know, close the chapter? Like, maybe close the credit card. Ross, like, I know we don't need to do that.
Speaker A: I'm like, well, we paid for everything for the rest of this year, so you might as well keep it open.
Speaker B: Just, uh, in case I see Thanksgiving rolling around. You look, the only thing I know
Speaker A: I'll know it's real when the stickies come off the wall.
Speaker B: I know.
Speaker A: That's when I know. Because ain't no way that's happening again. Unless, of course, we make Annie do it again.
Speaker B: No. She did such a good job. We can't. They need to stay.
Speaker A: Make her do it.
Speaker B: This is a piece of art for the.
Speaker A: It is.
Speaker B: It does need to stay.
Speaker A: It is. Okay. Promoted. Demoted. The final one. Let's. Let's get into it.
Speaker B: Oh, my God, this is so exciting. We have a little mixed media.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: So this first one is promoted or Demoted being a dad.
Speaker A: Episode, uh, one. This is from episode one, minute 3850. Apparently some shit.
Speaker B: I said promoted or demoted being a dad. Okay, here's a direct quote from us. Let's just listen to it.
Speaker A: Just useless shit like the kids, right? Uh, and I'm. I think I'm just unique in that. I hate kids. I can't stand them.
Speaker B: Totally.
Speaker A: A bunch of freeloaders.
Speaker B: Get out of there.
Speaker A: You know, why did they get to board first on planes? I'll die on that hill, too, completely. Why? Oh, I'm sorry. You had some sex and you decided to have kids and you wanted to continue your. Your genetics. Oh, that is. That is so selfless. Why don't you get on the plane first? How about me over here by myself?
Speaker B: I can't wait till you have a kid. And. And I'm, um. We get to replay this podcast for.
Speaker A: I'm carrying six strollers. Yeah.
Speaker B: You're like. So I do it.
Speaker A: I'm like. It is such a great thing that they let the kids board first.
Speaker B: Yeah. What? I love being a dad. You do love being a dad.
Speaker A: People change. People change. Look, I'm not going to come out here and say that I still even really love kids. Like, do I love my kid. Yeah.
Speaker B: Are you going to line up so fast when the Children under two line is called.
Speaker A: Here's the thing. I lose my one case status after this year because I ain't flying enough to get it back. So.
Speaker B: Because Ross hasn't left his house in so long.
Speaker A: I've only worn the same three joggers until I finally put this suit on. Last, like, four months. Um, yeah, I still just. I, like. I know I'll be happy when the moment comes. I still just don't think we need to inconvenience people who haven't had kids because some people chose to have kids. I still stand by that. I still stand by that.
Speaker B: When. If you guys are on a flight with Ross and he's in the jet Bridge, breaking down his stroller, handing it. Becca's holding Fishy. They're like, they're that family that's all obviously struggling because you have so much crap and it's hard to travel. Just shoot him a look and say, I see you guys.
Speaker A: Oh my God. We went to her parents house the other day. We had five bags of shit. We were dropping them off for like an hour while we work out.
Speaker B: Oh my God.
Speaker A: We have five bags of.
Speaker B: You need all the back. That's the funniest part. Like, I don't understand it, but you apparently. Is it. Is it a lot of Justin case stuff?
Speaker A: Yeah, it's like the. It's like the Pampers and, and like wipes and all that good stuff. And then there's like his stroller plus his car seat.
Speaker B: Oh my God. You know anywhere, Right.
Speaker A: It plugs into the stroller.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: So, you know, I don't know. There's other stuff.
Speaker B: That little syringe that sucks out the goob from his nose.
Speaker A: Yeah. That little high pressured booger sucker.
Speaker B: That's my favorite thing. I love that thing.
Speaker A: It's so funny. We used it. We've used it three times. We've only yielded one booger. No. And there's just one booger in this thing. I just. Every time I see it, there's just a. There's this booger.
Speaker B: Oh, it stays.
Speaker A: It's. It's like a. It's like a vacuum. Like you'd have to eventually. You eventually take it apart and empty it. But I'm not going to empty. This whole thing is one booger in there. It's just. It's one of Fishy's bugs.
Speaker B: And I love it. And I love it for that. And you love being a dad, so promote it.
Speaker A: I'll promote being a dad. Okay. Promoted. Demoted. Uh, getting canceled. On the second episode we came out,
Speaker B: we thought that we could sit here and share our actual opinions and that was why. That was where we were, where we
Speaker A: went wrong, thinking we could be ourselves.
Speaker B: We actually. I think why demoted? So draining for me is because we actually have to act for an hour.
Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, at no point have we said anything truthful.
Speaker B: You can't because it'll get you canceled. And we didn't, uh. You know, I'm not going to apologize for it at this point.
Speaker A: No, it's nothing to apologize for.
Speaker B: Enough time has passed where now it's funny. It's swung back and everyone's on our side all of a sudden.
Speaker A: Right? Right. The death threats were so Worth it.
Speaker B: Thank you, guys.
Speaker A: Thank you for standing up for us. People thought it was so outrageous. Like, they didn't even think it was real.
Speaker B: And it. Which it wasn't because it was a skit.
Speaker A: No, no. But, like, they didn't think we were actually getting canceled. They're like, what is this, like, stupid thing that's, like, made m. For this, like, so outrageous.
Speaker B: Friends. Our friends thought it was a joke. I'm like, you guys, we're fighting for our lives.
Speaker A: Like, we're crying. We're literally crying. Everyone hates us.
Speaker B: Promoter demoted. Giving wedding toast.
Speaker A: Promoted.
Speaker B: We did a whole episode on.
Speaker A: Great episode.
Speaker B: Crafting the perfect toast.
Speaker A: It's a great episode, and if you have the honor to do it, you should say yes. It may be terrifying. It's going to make you lose sleep for sure. But when you go out there and you do it and it's done and people are coming up to you afterwards and you're just drinking. You're just.
Speaker B: You finally have your first drink. Like, I was too scared to drink before. Yeah.
Speaker A: High level promote on that.
Speaker B: Definitely.
Speaker A: All right. Promoted. Demoted. Corporate Riz.
Speaker B: What was our. What was our episode on this? What was the.
Speaker A: We were like, Rizzy McGuire and, like. And the Rizzler and, uh. And Winnie the Riz.
Speaker B: Winnie the.
Speaker A: Winnie the Riz. Mega's best joke. Winnie the Riz. Right. It doesn't work at all, but we'll go with Winnie the Riz.
Speaker B: Oh, guys, you could say Winnie the Riz. Yeah, Winnie the Riz is very Winnie the Riz is what we'll say, I guess.
Speaker A: Oh, my wife, Winnie the Riz, she's got all the funniest shit.
Speaker B: Um, this next one, I just. I just want you to retell it again. We have more listeners. Can you please tell a story about a prostate examination?
Speaker A: Oh, God, I don't know. Here's the thing. I got a prostate exam. I don't know when the episode was. It's a hell of a story. Uh, I'll just. I'll just paraphrase and say I showed up to the. You know, I get a physical every year.
Speaker B: Yeah. Ah.
Speaker A: I'm fully prepared for this doctor to, you know, touch my balls, all that stuff, ask me to cough, you know, Like, I'm mentally prepared for the front sort of situation.
Speaker B: Totally. And you're coming in because you already have your list of questions, like, what's that red rash down there?
Speaker A: Right. Why is one so much bigger? Like, I don't know. Is it supposed to look like that? Um, and it's Worse because this guy is the father of a childhood friend. Of course, I don't hang out with him anymore and haven't for years, but that's just an added piece. Like, I've known this guy since I was 12. Yeah.
Speaker B: He's used to hang out in his backyard, right?
Speaker A: He saw back when they were the same size.
Speaker B: Exactly.
Speaker A: And now they're weird. But he, like, goes to the wall and he pulls the little glove off and he starts putting it on. And I'm like, nice. Like, that's funny. That's a funny joke. And he just goes, all right, I need you to drop trowel. And I was like, why are you using a glove for this one? He's like. And then he goes to the bottle of lube.
Speaker B: No.
Speaker A: And anyway, I'm gonna spare the story because Becca's in the corner. Like, you don't have to tell this all over again. I was just worried if I was. If I was supposed to pop that or if I'm supposed to look like a hunched over old man and be like.
Speaker B: And I'm sitting here lapping up this story. You could tell me this a hundred times in full detail, and I would crack up every single time.
Speaker A: I mean, was scarring for me because I was entered by my. My friend's father, which cut out of context right there. Is bad.
Speaker B: Is bad.
Speaker A: He's a doctor.
Speaker B: I just heard a joke. We were at the dinner table. This is kind of a nightmare activity from hell when someone goes, all right, everyone tell your best joke.
Speaker A: Oh, that is a nightmare activity.
Speaker B: Oh, I don't have any jokes. I'm more like. I riff off the people around me.
Speaker A: Right, right, right, right. I don't have, like a can. Sort of like, I'm not a stand up.
Speaker B: And the standout joke from the table was, so this guy goes in to get a prostate exam, and the doctor gloves up and goes, all right, Mike, no boners. He goes, I'm Eric. He goes, I'm Mike. All right.
Speaker A: Anyway. Anyway, uh, yeah, I mean, I was. I was worried. I was like, what if. I love this? What if he stays there for 45 seconds? It was, uh. The whole endeavor was about eight seconds long. Yeah, eight seconds long.
Speaker B: A lifetime.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: And it felt like a life.
Speaker A: As he pulled that finger out in the simultaneous moment motion, he wiped my own ass. Wiped my ass because it's covered in lube. And I was. Oh, I clenched up real hard. He goes, you're good. And then I literally didn't want to go to my physical this year. Um, I actually skipped it and didn't say anything. I lied and said I just had a kid, which is true, but wasn't the reason I missed it.
Speaker B: No.
Speaker A: Um, I rescheduled. I was like, hey, just confirming, like, are we, like, hitting this thing one more time or what? He goes. He goes, no, you're good till you're 40. And I was like, all right, how's, like, tomorrow, 9:00am like, uh, yeah, I can come on through.
Speaker B: I don't have a kid anymore. That was a lie.
Speaker A: I don't actually have a kid. So anyway, God, every five years.
Speaker B: It must be hard to be a man. And I'm sorry.
Speaker A: It's hard for us.
Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
Speaker A: He used the clamp to keep my cheeks wide. Yeah, I'm kidding there. That's not. That's not a thing. Becca's over there waving this off like, it needs to end this.
Speaker B: This whole thing will be like, wrap it up.
Speaker A: Because she's heard me tell this story 100 times.
Speaker B: Promoted or demoted? Interesting post.
Speaker A: Promoted.
Speaker B: You see more of this, Laura, because you're, like, active on LinkedIn.
Speaker A: Yeah, I read the comments.
Speaker B: Huge thing.
Speaker A: Yeah. It's funny, I see it on, like, I see it on Instagram, too. I just see, like, interesting post, and it's in quotes most of the time.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: Which is how I know it's, like, not a bot, which is great. And how I know it's a true Motorhead.
Speaker B: Uh.
Speaker A: Uh. Yeah. It makes me laugh when I see it because I'm like, Motorhead in the wild.
Speaker B: Motorhead in the wild is also Nelly and Ron.
Speaker A: Nelly and Ron.
Speaker B: That's been a crazy.
Speaker A: That's our final. Promoted, Demoted Nelly and Ron. Nelly and Ron.
Speaker B: That. That means they've listened to the very bitter end when we read a Spotify comment.
Speaker A: Yeah, we love that. We love that. Nelly and Ron. I'm gonna promote Nelly and Ron now
Speaker B: that Nelly's gonna be getting death threats after this episode.
Speaker A: Wait, we have one more last one, and I have to do it. Poo, poo pee, pee. We just talk prostates.
Speaker B: Poo, poo, pee, pee for me. Promoted.
Speaker A: Yeah, it's gonna be a heavy promote. I mean, everybody poo poos. Everybody pee pees.
Speaker B: I went into this podcast in January of 2023 that when we started 23
Speaker A: or 4, I think it was.
Speaker B: No, 24.
Speaker A: It was no, it's 3.
Speaker B: January of.
Speaker A: It was 24. Because we were doing, like, our photo shoot.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: In, like, December.
Speaker B: December 2023. I came into this podcast. And I said, we are not stooping to that level. No, I'm not talking about poo poo.
Speaker A: I'm not talking about pee pee for one second.
Speaker B: And now they're going to be making the sizzle reel fan edit of me saying poo poo pee pee. Because I'm all over that.
Speaker A: Natalie, I will never talk about.
Speaker B: And now my m. And now my pee. Now my for you page is like, poo, boo, pee pee stuff. I saw this thing of this little laugh every time, this little kid being like, I don't know, I'm just really into poo and stuff. And that's kind of what I'm into right now. Me, like, me smashing the like button. Like, I can't be posting publicly.
Speaker A: Going to the little trip triple dots. I'm interested in this content.
Speaker B: Save, like.
Speaker A: Yeah, of course.
Speaker B: It keeps coming up.
Speaker A: Oh, uh, God, that's good. I'm gonna promote it because I live it every day. I clean up poo poo pee pee like, five or six times a day.
Speaker B: Yeah, maybe it's actually. It's lost its charm. Deal. It was kind of cool when it wasn't.
Speaker A: I still. I still laugh at it. I mean, at swim class yesterday, Fishy filled his dip during swim class.
Speaker B: Your baby is huge.
Speaker A: He stays, too. That's the thing. He's huge. I don't know why he's huge. It's a good thing. I think. So that was the final promo demo. If anyone else steals the promoted demoted concept, we will sue them.
Speaker B: We are trademarking it. Even though the pod is ending, we will be trademarking promoter demoted.
Speaker A: Uh, like I said, we still have it for the whole year.
Speaker B: If anyone gets a promotion at their job, we will sue them.
Speaker A: Yeah. Please do not talk about being promoted.
Speaker B: You can't use the word promoted.
Speaker A: They elevated to a new role, of course, if you want.
Speaker B: You're thrilled to announce your new position?
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: But you cannot say I got promoted.
Speaker A: Yeah, you cannot say that because that's for us. We will simply sue you.
Speaker B: Let's make a couple of closing statements. I would love to shout out, uh, something that I've. I'm dedicating a lot of time and energy to right now, and something that I'm really excited I've talked about in the pod before. It's my virtual assistant company, Expand va. Expand VA pairs content creators, people starting small businesses trying to get on social media, and even just people needing help with general life admin with people who want a side hustle and want to be a Virtual assistant. They're all us based. Based. Um, it's a great way to earn side income if you're a VA and as a creator, it's a great way to open up different avenues of content creation, being creative, getting all these little admin things that really do add up off your plate. So we are doing kind of a relaunch. I just became the 100 owner of Expand VA. I am bringing on a temp COO and really just excited to kind of flex the startup muscle and really build something and say, say I built something because I'm kind of sick of people saying, you know, you don't have a real job. I'm like, I do. And I also. I give other people jobs. Right.
Speaker A: You're a job creator.
Speaker B: I'm a job creator.
Speaker A: What are you. Okay, job taker.
Speaker B: So that's a little plug that I will give, um, if it fails and when it crumbles to the ground, because, you know, Ross is obviously going to leave some, like, shameful public review about it to bring it under. When that happens, I will be back in the beanbag. But for now, it's Expand.
Speaker A: All I'm hearing is I need to burn this company down. It's like, that's the one I'm hearing.
Speaker B: Yeah, that's the one thing in the way.
Speaker A: Just wait till I find out who the. The COO is.
Speaker B: Anything you want to plug?
Speaker A: No. It's good to see you guys. Um, you know, if, um, you know, I make stuff or whatever, like, you should watch it if you haven't seen. Sales are dope. I am very close to finishing the second season. I'm on version eight of the finale and, like, version five of all the other episodes. But, um, it's written for tv, so if you know any producers who want to make it, any people who want to fund it, that'd be tight. Um, but, you know, just keep, uh, keep smashing that, like, button. Keep sharing stuff. Keep, uh, commenting interesting posts because the real ones will know, like, this is there was a time and a place where demoted, you know, occupied the lives of many a motorhead. And for me, it'll be a very important and as I mentioned to Natalie, very important create creative endeavor that, um, feels very near and dear and special to my heart. So I will love seeing those things out there, those little mentions, those little inside jokes. So keep. Keep bringing the heat with those.
Speaker B: It does. Is one of my favorite chapters. And as I said, like, I love, I love starting something with you and I. I can see us starting more things. In our future, we will. Ross and I will always be in each other's orbit.
Speaker A: Yes, indeed.
Speaker B: Couple shout outs for the pod. We've mentioned their names before you hear them in passing. We want to thank our lovely producer. Talyn Talon is the man behind the curtain. He has made this, this podcast possible every single week. He makes the outline for us. He is the one who tells us what to wear. He's our stylist.
Speaker A: Yep. He's, um, also very demanding from a creative standpoint. So the reason this stuff all looks so good and sounds so good are things that neither Natalie and I are have a skilled enough ear or eye to notice, but he does.
Speaker B: Yep.
Speaker A: He's like that.
Speaker B: Post it. We got to move it just a bit.
Speaker A: And like, which one? He's like the one that's angled at like a 37 degree angle. Duh.
Speaker B: Uh, so he's been fantastic. He's also hilarious. Like, he is really the writer behind a lot of our funny jokes that you've seen in this podcast.
Speaker A: And if you need a pod to be produced, he's not. Well, he's not just going to take anybody, but he's. He's a, uh, great resource. So if you're interested in producing something fucking sweet and awesome, you can reach out to us and we'll connect you with talent if you want. Yeah. There's also Bo, who is our editor, who loves the Pooh Pooh peepee.
Speaker B: What was that, like, fan edit the Bo made. Bo made some sort of slow mo of you or something. Beau is hilarious. I've never met Bo neither, like on a virtual call or in person, but he will just send some fire, like memes in the Slack channel.
Speaker A: Yeah, Beau is goddamn hilarious. I've met Bo several times. He's, uh, he does a lot of.
Speaker B: What's he like?
Speaker A: I mentioned this him. He's just like a swaggy, kind of like l. A crackhead.
Speaker B: Love that.
Speaker A: He's just like.
Speaker B: How old is he?
Speaker A: I don't know. He could be. He could tell me. He's 40. No, he's not. He's. He's probably like in his early 30s.
Speaker B: Really?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: Wow. His slack photo boat. I mean, I love you, but I thought you were like 50. Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker A: I told you. I told. He's like la. Like crackhead. Like, doesn't get like intentionally doesn't give a. Uh, kind of like crackhead.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: I love that he loves a good vape.
Speaker B: Oh, perfect.
Speaker A: So perfect. Um, great sense of humor.
Speaker B: So we'll hit him up if we're ever in la.
Speaker A: Like when he made us, like when he was. I remember when he was so devastated when we cut the boner. The horse boner story about my brother, how horses always get boners around my brother. We, we like, cut that. Anyway, that's short of it. But, um, he was devastated. He was utterly devastated by that.
Speaker B: Uh, we also want to thank our teams, um, Annie, Becca, Riley, who make this podcast possible. They listen to the podcast through, make edits, they handle all the brand deals that you've seen. Which leads us to our lovely sponsors.
Speaker A: Yep. Yep. Thank you to all the sponsors who helped us not be as in the red as we thought we were going to be. Yeah, many of them came in here not knowing what to expect. Neither did we. And they stuck with us. This is the good life.
Speaker B: This is the good life.
Speaker A: Is the good life. And also, again, thank you to Becca, uh, and Annie for just making sure we didn't get canceled. Like Natalie said, there's a lot of time of review for these, these podcasts. And more recently, I suppose Riley was going through these last, like, probably two months, but it. To edit an episode, it means you have to listen to it. And we record for like 90 minutes an hour to, like 90 minutes on the long end. And that's time.
Speaker B: It's such a blessing to have a team who will listen to us so that we don't have to.
Speaker A: It's so miserable to listen to ourselves. And then Arwen.
Speaker B: Shout out, Arwen.
Speaker A: Arwen.
Speaker B: You guys, Arwen's located in the Philippines. He's our short form clip editor. Our. Our socials do great.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: We have like 100,000 followers on Instagram.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: And that is all thanks to Arwen's fire editing.
Speaker A: Yes. And he throws in his own little jokes, little quips in there, and it's just like, if you guys need a good short form editor, Arwen is that dude. And we will, uh, hook you up. We'll hook you up. So I don't. I just keep talking so it doesn't have to end. So it doesn't have to end.
Speaker B: I was. I'm sad.
Speaker A: Um, I'm sad too.
Speaker B: Uh, and we also want to thank the Motorheads. Like, thank you for making this possible. Thank you for listening to us. Thank you for believing in us that we're more than just the bits that we. That we show on our Instagram.
Speaker A: Yeah. That you're willing to endure us for longer than, you know, 30, 45 seconds at a time on socials. So, um, I, I'm not going to say it's the end. I don't want to believe it's the end. In fact, denial is going to be very strong with me. I'm going to keep talking Natalie about like. So here's what I'm thinking for season two.
Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A: I think we just end it with we'll see you next time on Demoted. Demoted.
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