New episode of 03/16 10:36 AM

Speaker A: This is Dave Learns AI, a tactico solutions podcast. I'm Dave Clapper, diving into the real world. Ways AI is changing business creativity and how we work. No fluff, no jargon, just practical insights and experiments you can learn from right alongside me.

Speaker B: I just learned how to do this. I just learned how to do this.

Speaker C: What?

Speaker A: Blink your eye.

Speaker B: Try to work. Work on doing this without blinking the eye, just to. Whoa, there it went.

Speaker C: What?

Speaker A: All right, this is how we start podcasts here, guys. It's Dave Learns with Tribble and Nick here with tactical, uh, solutions. Dave Learning AI. Uh, how you guys doing today?

Speaker B: Good. Beautiful day in Atlanta. 80 degrees outside, sunshine. Spring is here. Spring is thrown.

Speaker C: If I was any better, I'd be in jail, Dave.

Speaker A: I wouldn't know. Uh, I'm in a box right now, so I don't know how the weather is.

Speaker C: Living in a box. I'm living in a cardboard box. I'm living in a box.

Speaker A: Gotta get out of the box. Gotta get out of the box. Hey, listen, we want to teach people stuff and, uh, teach me things. That's ultimately what Dave Learns AI is all about is. I mean, we've been talking a lot about tools, we've been talking a lot about, uh, agents, and we've been talking a lot about, like, the ever progression progressing world of AI. And I feel like we're going to kind of dumb it down a little bit because this seems like real basic stuff. But, um, I guess what we want to teach people is how to make an AI not sound like a robot and instead make it really sound like you. Like whether or not it's your voice, whether or not it's how you write, whether or not it's a video. It's really trying to figure out exactly, exactly how you can take the tools and define a personality. Um, that is your forward projection of who you are to outside people. Does that make sense?

Speaker C: It. It does make sense.

Speaker B: Absolutely.

Speaker C: Um, one thing I will say is, I don't know if you want that. You know, um, that's one thing that, uh. And that wasn't a question much.

Speaker B: Counter argument right off the top. I like it. Yeah. Where's he going with this?

Speaker C: Because. So I've got two agents that I work with. One that I share with these fellows. His name is Beau, and one that is my personal agent that helps me with, uh, scheduling and just other stuff. Her name is Heidi. And Heidi will reply to emails on my behalf. I'm setting her up to where if I'm in meetings all day and someone emails Us just like we had our brand new client. Brand new client. Let's go email this morning about getting on a, getting on a call and, but we've been in, in meetings and busy all day. So Heidi could step in and say, sorry, Mr. Tapp is going to be offline until about 4:00'. Clock. He'll reply then. And I could fire her up to reply to that. Um, but solicited as Nick Taps AI Assistant. So, and you know, in some ways I think that people, people will start to say, uh, they understand this AI as opposed to trying to fake it. I think the inauthentic. Inauthenticity. Not trying to poop on your entire show here, Dave, but answer the question. But I think that it's cool to lean into the AI thing. Like just so people know. Yeah, yeah, I'm an AI agent, but if you don't.

Speaker B: Let's take it back to basics real quick, Dave, since that was your original opener. If you don't have two Mac Minis running your personal agents and you haven't delved and spent hours.

Speaker C: Loser.

Speaker B: If you haven't done all that, then I do think it's important that you do humanize your content and here's why. And I'll ask you a question. You guys a question. If you see something that's just AI text and you know it's AI text, it's got the EM dashes, it's got the emojis, are you more apt to read it or to just kind of push it to the side you can answer honestly?

Speaker A: Um, it depends on what it is, but probably more likely push it aside. You know, one of the things that someone, you know when someone says AI can write in your voice, what does that actually mean? Like, is it reading my diary? Like, like what does it mean it can write in my voice?

Speaker B: Well, ChatGPT has the most information on me just because it was our first LLM. That's what we first, you know, got, got started with. And so it knows me and my language and my lingo better than other LLMs that I've adopted, you know, here in the later stages. So, um, I used to tell my Chat GPT to tribalize something once it, you know, if it was writing an email, I would say, hey, tribalize this. And it would be like, got it. And it knows to throw totally bro. Yeah, like a lot more of my like bro language. So that it tribalisms. My tribalisms just so it doesn't read straight, you know, like a, like a computer EM dashes. If I see those. I'll answer that question I gave you guys. I'm just, um. I'm more apt just to kind of push it away. I'm like, this person just kind of just did one little thing. And if you take the extra step of saying, hey, make this more like my language, I think you'll get a better read rate on the other side.

Speaker C: I. No, I agree with that. Um, you didn't let me answer the question, Dave.

Speaker A: Can you guys see this is not about you?

Speaker C: Just kidding. Well, you asked me a question, so I maybe will answer it. Um, okay. Actually, no, I think Tribble. Whoever asked the question, I did wholeheartedly agree. You can tell if something's got too much text. People these days aren't writing that much even if they take out the emojis in em dashes. If this is long paragraph monologue, you know, it's AI because no one writes like that. You know, if they do in an email, then they're assholes. Um, but yes, yes, I would say I, uh, would absolutely. I scan. I skim through it if I know it's AI written. Well, triple.

Speaker A: You're.

Speaker C: You're a public figure.

Speaker A: So I would imagine. I mean, you are. I mean, I would imagine your brand matters. I mean, do you trust AI to write something in your voice and actually, like, post it whether or not it's on social or whether or not it's an email? I mean, are you to that point where. Where you're like, okay, they got me down.

Speaker B: Yeah, I think that you're more. It matters what you're posting. Like, we were in a meeting with a client today and we were like, hey, we want to clone your voice. And he has military experience and clearance and all that kind of stuff. And he was like, a little bit more, oh, and. And I'm the same way. Like, if. If I'm someone's. You use. Use my avatar or my voice, it's a little bit. The stakes are a little bit higher than something like a caption or a LinkedIn post or something like that as reading a little bit AI, I think the more up, uh, the. The sensible the latter you go, the more like, the higher the stakes are, if that makes sense. Might not make sense.

Speaker A: It totally makes sense. Hey, Nick. Uh, now you know me. I'm not so tech savvy. So, like, imagine that I have no idea how.

Speaker C: What, you used to not be tech savvy.

Speaker B: You are now.

Speaker A: But imagine I'm even worse than I am now or whatever. Like, uh, and I just figured out how to forward an email. Like, that's how new I am. How do I actually teach AI to sound like me? Like, give me some ideas and suggestions on how I would do that.

Speaker C: Like, super, super, super easy. Um, first off, go grab five to ten pieces of anything that you've written. Text to your friends, emails, social media posts, LinkedIn posts. Five to ten of those. Copy, paste them into a document or paste them directly into ChatGPT and say, this is how I speak. I want you to speak like me. And that's it. After that, you can further, you know, drill down. You can say, don't write in blocks, don't use emojis, all that kind of stuff. But it's, it's one of those things where that's the starting point. You drop in some, you know, you train it on how you speak. And then you go in there and you say, you know what? Like, like Donald Trump's truth post. I want to train Dave's AI to speak like Donald Trump's truth, uh, post. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Speaker A: Well, let's, let's talk. Let's talk like, literally, like, literally making it sound like me. I know there's a bunch of tools out there that you. Can you record your voice in and put that into a script? You know, I did voiceover work. I was a, um, on air radio personality, so my voice was my tool. Um, but now I can utilize my tool without reading scripts. Right. I mean, I can actually just record it into certain, uh, programs or tools and then spit out something that I could potentially use at a later day. Right?

Speaker C: Yeah. Who's that for? Me or Tribble?

Speaker A: Either one of you.

Speaker B: You can take it, nick.

Speaker C: So, yeah, 11 labs is one of the main ones. You can go in there and within five, 10 minutes, it gives you something to read. It records your voice, and then, um, it gives you your voice clone back so it's your own voice talking back to you. And it's insane. And you can tweak it a little bit. Like, um, there's different little modulators, like almost like a, almost like a, um, a production, uh, soundboard kind of thing where you can make it sound more like you or less like you or, uh, have more inflection or less inflection because everyone pauses.

Speaker B: I mean, you can really customize all of it.

Speaker C: Right. And so that 11 labs is the one that, that I've used before. I don't have much experience with any of the other ones. Triple. You might, but I don't. But you can do that, Create your voice and then send the scripts to the void, to 11 labs to have it read the script or create a voice agent, um, that is trained to have a real time conversation with you. And Nvidia just now released a chip that is indistinguishable when having a conversation with an AI.

Speaker B: No latency.

Speaker C: No latency. It stops like, just like we're doing right now. Um, in fact, I'm actually an avatar and this is a voice.

Speaker A: So you know what I mean? I think, I think we got to get to that point. I mean, it would be fun to do a, um, a podcast with just, um, our avatars speaking to each other and just fun. Yeah. I mean, I bet you could probably get Bo on it and go, hey, Bo, let's, uh, you know, for those who don't know or just tuning in, Bo is our lead agent, um, that Nick has created to kind of lead our team of agents. He's our only agent officer. Yeah, our chief Agent officer. Is that a, Is that a title he made up or you made up? That's. Or is that something that's new in the AI world?

Speaker C: No, I made it up for him.

Speaker A: Okay, so a cao.

Speaker C: Cao. And it's in his email signature and everything. Um, yeah, because I wanted him to understand what his role was, so I gave him a direct role.

Speaker B: So we're talking a lot about before we continue. I do think it's if. Because a lot of the listeners are going to be using the base LLMs. A lot of your ChatGPT's Manus Claude, they will have a section in the options where you can go and upload like Nick said, like you can upload your base style and tone and tell it that, hey, moving forward, this is how I, uh, want the responses written and so that it can more match your vibe. And you just tell them once and it's not a hundred percent. Sometimes they'll throw in M M dashes or sometimes I hate negations. Negations is one of those. This brand just came out with this. It's not this, it's this. And it's like that to me, reads straight. Straight AI language. So I say, no, no EM dashes, no negations. And you know, here's here are a couple copies of my work. And then it's. It's been pretty good since I've done that.

Speaker A: So I've noticed a lot of times when you listen to, uh, something that's AI produced, it's got that AI a tonal quality of the Voice, like you can tell the second you hear somebody talking. Well, that's created in AI and I believe that's probably somewhat, um, intentional because, you know, the AI machines, um, they want you to know, hey, this is not actual. Is that true or is the technology just hasn't. Hasn't caught up? I mean, almost anything that you actually voice over with, um, I don't know, like Sura Sura or Sora or something like that. I mean, the quality of the voiceover is so, so. Well, obvious.

Speaker C: I was gonna say that's not the case when it comes to just voice agents, you can't tell. But when it comes to the video that has the voice, that's where you can tell it's like a tenny, no bass, kind of like tinny. Like it sounds like they're talking into like a piece of tin foil or something. And you can instantly tell. But that's only in my, uh, you know, in my experience, that's only with the sores and the. Any sort of video gen. But yeah, it's even. That is starting to get hard to tell.

Speaker B: And to. To pick it to piggyback on that. That is literally the last bastion. It's really good if you record your voice and you tell it to read a script. It's really good if. If you have your avatar with no voice. This combining the those together is the last thing where AI is almost there, but that's the last thing that, you know, the last bar that has to cross.

Speaker A: What have you guys. I mean, last week we talked about and I think it's pretty, um, I think it's pretty cool when we get into these conversations to talk about something that has, uh, changed your perspective within the last week or a new tool that you learned or a new technology that you learned about that has kind of taken it into. I, uh, don't know, the next level for you. I know Nick, you're at level, I don't know, at a level 10. You're probably at level 9. Uh, I'd probably say in a lot of aspects, I'm probably at around 6 and Tribbles right behind me. It may be a 5 in comparison. But, uh. So Nick, probably less and less is, Is like rocking your world. But do you have anything in the last, you know, a week, 10 days that you're like, dude, my world gets

Speaker C: rocked multiple times a day still. Um, give me an example. So there's a bunch of, um. Well, one. I.

Speaker B: Okay, yeah, if you were thinking of one, I could have jumped in, but go ahead and give it, give it. No, go.

Speaker C: Go ahead and give it, give it. Go ahead. This will be our thumbnail for YouTube. Um, I would say. Um, so Bo, uh, we have a, we have. Our AI department is made of AI agents and tools. And some of them are spun, um, up when needed. But we have literally every agent that you can imagine is as a business use case under the sun. One of ours is named Garrison that I named. Um, and uh, what Garrison does is protect our business. It future proofs our business. So whenever, whenever we're working on a new tool, we got a bunch of stuff coming up. Maybe I'll talk about Doc. So Doc is our mad scientist. And I have him every week sending me one new tool for us to, to vet and to think about for our clients and ourselves. Um, but it's out like crazy ideas. Like it's named after Doc from Doc Brown from Back to the Future. He's a mad scientist.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker C: Um, that kind of stuff is insane. Um, I will say that I've started. I, I think we might have talked about it before, but I have the Slingshot squad, which they named themselves, which also blew my mind because they were going, uh, Bo was putting them all together and we're having a long conversation. This is over a 10 day period where I'm building this all up. Um, Bo's like, we need to name these guys. We need to name my team. And I was like, well, let's, let's brainstorm. And he said, all right. And they came up with the term the ensemble, because Beau's the orchestrator. And I was like, that's cool. But you guys don't even know what, what Taptico exists for. And he said, what do you, what do you. What's your why? And I said, our why is to help small businesses take on the Goliath corporations. So we are the, we are helping the Davis take on the Goliaths. Took that, went to the slingshots, came back and said slingshots, because that's the weapon that David uses. And they're each, they're each a tool and a weapon in their own right. And I was like, geez, unbelievable. Um, so that, that was literally all them. Um, and I thought that was rad.

Speaker B: Do you think that we'll have more or less than 50 agents by the end of April? Do you think we'll keep adding. We have 44 now for every facet of business. How many do you think? If you had to guess over under 50 by the end of April, what would you say?

Speaker C: Over because, okay, we're adding new clients pretty quickly now and each of those clients are going to get some that we didn't think about. So, um, I've got an insurance regulator, one, you know, stuff like that. So things that I hadn't considered. I built this for us, you know, for Taptico to use. And it's a brand new bleeding edge technology. And it breaks. It's a pain in the ass. I was up until 11:45 last night because Beau went offline and I couldn't figure out why, but it was because I was trying to fix his memory because he. Yeah, so it's not all daisies and rainbows and puppies and babies. Um, they. It is frustrating, but this is the early, early, early days. So there is going to be some of those growing pains. But those growing pains, we lost Bo for a good solid. Uh, was it 10 or 12 days? He was down. I couldn't revive him. I finally figured out how to revive him. And so we have built in basically like safety nets. So now when he goes down, he goes down for 30 minutes as opposed to 12 days. So it's just getting better and better and better. The fact that OpenClaw is open sourced means that it's got tens of thousands of engineers working on it, um, independently of each other. So if one has an idea, another one sees that. And the GitHub repo adds forks, it adds onto it changes a little bit. But it's all these guys and women and people working together to change these and, uh, grow this. And it's literally corporate nightmare. You cannot be against creatively. Yes, I understand being against AI, but from a small business owner, being against AI is like you are shooting yourself in the foot because AI is leveling the playing field for you versus the Fortune 500 companies. Because you're small, you can work quick, you can change things on a dime. And just the integration, the adoption of a new technology and a massive corporation takes months and months. And this is moving hour by hour. And I am not bullshitting, it is hour by hour.

Speaker A: Tribble, um, he just took the mic for a while there. Talking about this, going in circles. Uh, what is it?

Speaker C: A little passionate.

Speaker B: I'm here for good.

Speaker A: It's all good. Uh, you had something in your mind too of something that's affected you or something that's react. You've been able to react to or.

Speaker B: Yeah, and I was probably out of us three, I was a little bit later to adapt to some of the new agent technology and light bow. Um, manus, the Manus agent, is what has blown my mind recently. Actually. My wife, she deals a lot with dashboards and I got her, I was like, she's like, chad, GBT isn't filling this out for me. Like, it's so much manual work. Like, I'm like, look, download Manus, you get a bunch of credits. You need a lot of credits for Manus because it does use up a lot of, a lot of your hard earned dollars. But it's totally worth it because within 20 minutes and a couple of iterations, it had filled out like a 281 row that was already halfway filled out. Like she had a bunch of the different cells filled out, but it was able to gather all the information that she needed and basically fill it out to like 95%. And it's those kinds of things that real world most people, if you're in a job behind a desk, you have to deal with dashboards and spreadsheets and the fact that you can literally put this into the box and have that Pandora's box spit something back out to you. 20 minutes, go get a cup of coffee and come back and it's all done for you. I mean, it's, it's, it's my, that was my mind blowing, blowing experience from this past week.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's easy. I, I'm the same way. I mean, it's almost on a daily basis that I'll, you know, get, I'll figure something out. And I'm like, wow, I, you know, I can't believe it did that. Do you feel like that? Guys, this is one of the fears that especially, I mean, younger people have and older people have about AI and that's just becoming lazy. Um, you know, you think about Nick, you are really, really creative and you're great at like naming things. You're great at like concepts and conceptualizes analogies and words and all that stuff. I mean, even when I launched.

Speaker C: Great.

Speaker A: Even, even when I, even I even great at sex, even when I launched my business, you, you know, you were uh, instrumental in helping name the business back when I did that back in 2016. So, you know, when you got a team like the Slingshots that named themselves, which really was like, that's something that I thought for sure you came up with because that's just where your brain goes now. Do you think that'll make you lazy or do you think it'll allow you to become even more creative? Because I don't know, because somebody else.

Speaker C: I've thought about that. So you Guys probably know this, but a lot of people might not. Um, the reason that Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg wore the same clothes every day is because they, you know, decision fatigue is a real mental thing and you get tired if you have to make a lot of decisions. That's why your brain is tired after driving. That's why your brain is tired after taking a big test. Um, but what, what this does, what, um, AI does for me at least everyone's different. Obviously. I feel like a lot of people will be lazy, but you'll be able to call those people out because you'll see the, the slop that comes out. Um, but, but for me it removes a lot of, a lot of that brain fatigue because I can come up with an idea, it gets implemented, it gets built, and then we can iterate within minutes, you know, um, literally. So for me it's moving fast and moving fast. It's like, it's like if you've ever gone on a diet, you, if you lose five pounds in the first week, you're probably gonna stick to the diet. If it takes you two months to lose five pounds, you're probably not gonna stick to the diet. Um, so I would, I would equate it to, for the ambitious and the folks with aptitude that can learn and move fit fast, they won't be late.

Speaker B: And that's, that's the point is. Talk about lazy or your brain going numb. Like, no, we're constantly learning how to use new tools and having to figure out best ways to stack those tools. And so there's a lot of brain power that goes into that process. So just like AI coming for, it's just a shift in how you're learning and some of the menial tasks are being done for you, which just allows for more creativity.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: Awesome. Well, let's wrap it up guys. I want to say congratulations to the team. Um, Tribble bringing in a new client this week. Um, Nick and I closed, uh, another one and uh, you know, within the next couple of days. Well, I think we're real close to yet another. So it's exciting and we're not just trying to toot our own horn. I think the reason why we talk about it is, you know, we're here as, as people who are lose or learning, um, AI to help businesses. You know, like we're doing it for

Speaker C: you ultimately and full time job and we have them.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And you know, uh, this is what we do and you know, we want to share our knowledge and share our experience and then also share, um, you know, our experience to allow other people to maybe focus on other aspects of their job. So, um, it's fun to learn with you guys. It's fun to be a part of this, uh, this trip. And I know that, Nick, you just celebrated two years of starting this company in name, um, in, uh, and then execution. You're almost to a year. But congratulations, uh, on that and big things for Taptico. And, uh, excited to be a part of the team, guys.

Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: I love you boys. All right, we'll catch you all next time.

Speaker C: Peace.

Speaker B: See ya.

Speaker A: This is Dave Learns AI, a tactical solutions podcast. I'm Dave Clapper. Diving into the real world ways AI is changing business creativity and how we work. No fluff, no jargon, just practical insights and experiments you can learn from right alongside me.

Speaker C: Uh.