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Build a Better Agency Podcast

Hosted by Drew McLellan

Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.

562 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-06-28 · ~53 min/episode

Rank

#2748

Substance

63.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Ops rank

#212 of 459

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Across the index

#2748 of 6183

Substance

Top 44%

outscores 56% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Build a Better Agency Podcast ranks #2748 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 63.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on specificity & evidence and insight density. The episode cites named companies (Keurig Dr Pepper, PepsiCo, Expedia, Omnicom, IPG), named research (Edelman Trust Barometer, Agency Edge), and a solid set of specific metrics including M&A dollar figures, profitability percentages by year, and AGI-per-FTE benchmarks. The main weakness is that many supporting statistics are attributed only vaguely to 'the report' or 'the data,' making independent verification difficult.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

15.0 / 20

The episode layers in a reasonable number of specific data points - lead source shifts, M&A figures, AI adoption gaps, profitability trajectories - but the strategic implications drawn from those numbers are almost uniformly familiar agency consulting advice (niche down, become strategic advisors, invest in training). The data elevates it above average, but roughly half the runtime is elaborating conclusions any experienced agency owner has heard before.

“In 2022, about 16% of agency leads came from web searches. By 2025, that number jumped to 39%, which is a 144% increase”

“specialized niche agencies are reporting margins 10 to 20 points higher than their generalist peers”

Originality

11.0 / 20

The overarching frameworks - specialize, become a strategic advisor not a vendor, trust is eroding everywhere - are the most recycled arguments in agency consulting. Even the host acknowledges the repetition mid-episode. The slight freshers are the AI governance positioning and the trust-brokering framing, but both are emerging conventional wisdom rather than genuinely contrarian thinking.

“There are riches in the niches. I know you've heard me say that so many times. It's not just a catchy slogan, it is a margin strategy”

“trust is the new currency and it's incredibly personal”

Guest Caliber

12.0 / 20

This is a solo cast by the host, who is a genuine 25-year practitioner and agency peer-group operator; his data comes from real conversations with agency owners, which gives him authentic standing. However, he is also consistently promoting his own consultancy and workshops throughout, and the episode functions partly as a sales vehicle for AMI services, which limits the objectivity and depth a truly independent practitioner voice would bring.

“the average agency owner salary in the US was around a little north of $250,000. But the average AMI owner took home almost a half a million dollars”

“we spend all year tracking the trends that are impacting all of you. And we track from multiple resources”

Specificity & Evidence

16.0 / 20

The episode cites named companies (Keurig Dr Pepper, PepsiCo, Expedia, Omnicom, IPG), named research (Edelman Trust Barometer, Agency Edge), and a solid set of specific metrics including M&A dollar figures, profitability percentages by year, and AGI-per-FTE benchmarks. The main weakness is that many supporting statistics are attributed only vaguely to 'the report' or 'the data,' making independent verification difficult.

“omnicon buying IPG for about $13.5 billion is the headline. But the more important part of that is the pattern marketing agency related deals jumped up about 50% year over year”

“some really big brands like Keurig, Dr. Pepper, PepsiCo, uh, Expedia started to scale back or dismantle their in house agencies”

Conversational Craft

9.0 / 20

This is an uninterrupted solo monologue repurposing a slide deck presentation, so by definition there are no follow-up questions, no pushback, no moments of productive tension, and no probing of assumptions. The structure is clear and pacing competent, but the format eliminates conversational craft entirely - claims go unchallenged and every assertion lands without friction.

“This week is one of my solo casts. So for those of you that are regular listeners, you know, this is just you and me hanging out, talking about something that I think you need to know about, but no guest”

“I know this was a long one. I know it was dense. You may have to go grab the transcript or listen to it again”

Standout episodes

  • Episode 560 Five Agency Trends You Cannot Afford to Ignore with Drew McLellan

    2026-06-28

    63

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Episode 560 Five Agency Trends You Cannot Afford to Ignore with Drew McLellan

    2026-06-28 · 1h 26m

    63 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Build a Better Agency Podcast's substance score?
Build a Better Agency Podcast scores 63.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #2748 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 56% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #212 of 459 in Ops. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Build a Better Agency Podcast worth listening to?
Yes - Build a Better Agency Podcast outscores 56% of the B2B ops podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a ops operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Build a Better Agency Podcast?
Build a Better Agency Podcast is hosted by Drew McLellan.
How often does Build a Better Agency Podcast publish?
Build a Better Agency Podcast publishes weekly, has 562 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-06-28.
Which Build a Better Agency Podcast episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Episode 560 Five Agency Trends You Cannot Afford to Ignore with Drew McLellan" (63/100) - a good place to start.

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Edelman Trust BarometerM&A consolidation in marketing agenciesOmnicon and IPG merger ($13.5 billion)CMO expectations and satisfactionHolding company consolidation trendsWhite Label IQAgency Management Institute (AMI)Workforce development grantsBuild/buy/partner strategyCommunity-based differentiation and positioning

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