
Hosted by Drew McLellan
Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan.
562 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-06-28 · ~53 min/episode
Rank
#2748
Substance
63.0
/ 100
Breakdown
Scored 2026-07
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#2748 of 6183
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Top 44%
outscores 56% of the index
Build a Better Agency Podcast ranks #2748 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 63.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on specificity & evidence and insight density. The episode cites named companies (Keurig Dr Pepper, PepsiCo, Expedia, Omnicom, IPG), named research (Edelman Trust Barometer, Agency Edge), and a solid set of specific metrics including M&A dollar figures, profitability percentages by year, and AGI-per-FTE benchmarks. The main weakness is that many supporting statistics are attributed only vaguely to 'the report' or 'the data,' making independent verification difficult.
Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.
The episode layers in a reasonable number of specific data points - lead source shifts, M&A figures, AI adoption gaps, profitability trajectories - but the strategic implications drawn from those numbers are almost uniformly familiar agency consulting advice (niche down, become strategic advisors, invest in training). The data elevates it above average, but roughly half the runtime is elaborating conclusions any experienced agency owner has heard before.
“In 2022, about 16% of agency leads came from web searches. By 2025, that number jumped to 39%, which is a 144% increase”
“specialized niche agencies are reporting margins 10 to 20 points higher than their generalist peers”
The overarching frameworks - specialize, become a strategic advisor not a vendor, trust is eroding everywhere - are the most recycled arguments in agency consulting. Even the host acknowledges the repetition mid-episode. The slight freshers are the AI governance positioning and the trust-brokering framing, but both are emerging conventional wisdom rather than genuinely contrarian thinking.
“There are riches in the niches. I know you've heard me say that so many times. It's not just a catchy slogan, it is a margin strategy”
“trust is the new currency and it's incredibly personal”
This is a solo cast by the host, who is a genuine 25-year practitioner and agency peer-group operator; his data comes from real conversations with agency owners, which gives him authentic standing. However, he is also consistently promoting his own consultancy and workshops throughout, and the episode functions partly as a sales vehicle for AMI services, which limits the objectivity and depth a truly independent practitioner voice would bring.
“the average agency owner salary in the US was around a little north of $250,000. But the average AMI owner took home almost a half a million dollars”
“we spend all year tracking the trends that are impacting all of you. And we track from multiple resources”
The episode cites named companies (Keurig Dr Pepper, PepsiCo, Expedia, Omnicom, IPG), named research (Edelman Trust Barometer, Agency Edge), and a solid set of specific metrics including M&A dollar figures, profitability percentages by year, and AGI-per-FTE benchmarks. The main weakness is that many supporting statistics are attributed only vaguely to 'the report' or 'the data,' making independent verification difficult.
“omnicon buying IPG for about $13.5 billion is the headline. But the more important part of that is the pattern marketing agency related deals jumped up about 50% year over year”
“some really big brands like Keurig, Dr. Pepper, PepsiCo, uh, Expedia started to scale back or dismantle their in house agencies”
This is an uninterrupted solo monologue repurposing a slide deck presentation, so by definition there are no follow-up questions, no pushback, no moments of productive tension, and no probing of assumptions. The structure is clear and pacing competent, but the format eliminates conversational craft entirely - claims go unchallenged and every assertion lands without friction.
“This week is one of my solo casts. So for those of you that are regular listeners, you know, this is just you and me hanging out, talking about something that I think you need to know about, but no guest”
“I know this was a long one. I know it was dense. You may have to go grab the transcript or listen to it again”
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