AI Product Management · 2026-06-20 · 7 min
Key moments - from our scoring
Substance score
30 / 100
Five dimensions, 20 points each
The episode challenges a widespread assumption that breaking into product management requires building a technical app. Rather than focusing on coding ability, hiring managers evaluate whether candidates can identify real problems, demonstrate empathy through user research, think strategically, and communicate their process compellingly. The host walks through a structured approach using frameworks like Circles, emphasizing that the story you tell about your project matters far more than the artifact itself. Concrete side project ideas include starting a product-focused blog or podcast, conducting product teardowns with mockups using Figma or PowerPoint, running surveys to derive insights, or writing product requirements documents (PRDs) for new features. The core insight: position your side project prominently on your resume and LinkedIn, and use it as your primary interview narrative for demonstrating leadership, problem-solving, and impact. This approach is particularly valuable for career changers or early-career professionals who lack traditional PM experience but want to prove they understand the actual work.
No - recruiters are looking for product managers, not junior developers. You can demonstrate all core PM skills (problem-finding, empathy, strategic thinking, impact) through user research, mockups, and structured frameworks without writing any code.
Use a structured PM framework like Circles, which walks you through understanding the situation, identifying the customer, brainstorming solutions, creating mockups, and gathering feedback - the same process PMs at companies like Google and Amazon use daily.
Start a product-focused blog or podcast, conduct a product teardown of an app you use with improvement mockups, run a survey and analyze results, or write a full PRD for a feature you wish existed in an existing app.
Place it at the top of your resume under experience if it's more relevant to PM work than your day job, share updates on LinkedIn with mockups, and lead your interview 'tell me about yourself' answer with your project story.
Use specific details and metrics - instead of saying you did customer research, explain the problem you found (e.g., budget disagreement for group trips), how many people you interviewed (15), and the specific solution outcome (12 out of 15 would use your tool).
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode covers a clear central insight - that PM hiring emphasizes problem-solving and storytelling over coding ability - which is legitimate and useful for career-changers. However, the core thesis is stated early and then mostly restated in different phrasings rather than layered with new, non-obvious observations. The five-step framework (find problem, interview, brainstorm, create blueprint, get feedback) is standard PM playbook material, not novel.
Hiring managers aren't trying to hire another junior developer. They're looking for a product manager.
what they actually want is to see that you can find a real problem, that you can dig in and understand it, that you have the guts to start something
The central claim - that non-technical side projects can showcase PM skills - is sensible but not contrarian or fresh. The framing as a myth-buster is useful for beginners, but the underlying ideas (customer interviews, structured frameworks, storytelling in hiring) are well-trodden territory. There's no counterintuitive reasoning or first-principles thinking that would surprise an experienced PM or operator.
You need a side project
what you're really doing is shifting your focus to the blueprint. And guess what? The blueprint is the PM's real job.
This is a solo host episode with no guest. The speaker's credentials, experience level, and track record are never mentioned or established. There is no indication whether the speaker has actually hired PMs, run products at scale, or has relevant operating experience.
Speaker A: Foreign. Let's just jump right in.
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The episode relies almost entirely on abstract frameworks and hypothetical examples. One concrete example is offered (group trip planning tool with 15 interviews and 12/15 feedback), which is illustrative but not verified or detailed. No real case studies, named companies, actual hire outcomes, or data-backed claims about what actually works in PM hiring are provided.
I interviewed 15 of them, and it turns out the real problem wasn't booking flights. It was just agreeing on a budget.
12 out of 15 said they'd use it tomorrow
This is a monologue with no conversation, follow-up questions, or pushback. The speaker makes uncontested claims and provides no voice for disagreement or alternative perspectives. The rhetorical style is more motivational speaking than substantive interviewing, with leading questions directed at the audience rather than genuine inquiry. No tension or productive debate emerges.
But here's the real question. What kind of project actually gets a recruiter's attention?
But what if I told you...
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
Discover the secret to landing your dream Product Manager role! In this cinematic explainer, learn how strategic PM side projects can significantly boost your career growth and get you hired. We'll dive into practical examples, AI product management insights, and real-world case studies to help you build a compelling portfolio. Perfect for aspiring and current PMs looking to stand out in the competitive tech career market.Building impactful side projects is one of the most effective ways to showcase your product sense, execution skills, and leadership potential. This video breaks down what kind of projects truly resonate with hiring managers, how to integrate AI product principles, and where to find inspiration for your next big idea. Whether you're aiming for your first PM role or looking to transition into AI PM, these strategies will provide a clear roadmap to success. Learn how to transform theoretical knowledge into tangible experience that makes your resume shine and gives you an edge in PM interviews.
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Speaker A: Foreign. Let's just jump right in. If you're trying to break into product management, I'm sure you've heard it a million times. You need a side project. But here's the real question. What kind of project actually gets a recruiter's attention? Well, that's exactly what we're going to break down right now. And bam. This quote just says it all, doesn't it? It hits on this massive misconception out there. So many people, maybe you've felt this way too, think they need to grind away learning just enough code to cobble together some simple app. They think that's the golden ticket. But here's the thing. Hiring managers aren't trying to hire another junior developer. They're looking for a product manager. And trust me, that is a totally different beast. So first things first, let's just totally tear down this myth, okay? The one that's probably causing a ton of stress and wasted hours. This idea that you have to be a coder to have a side project that actually impresses anyone. I mean, it's such a classic trap, right? You're scrolling through job descriptions, you see technical skills, and your brain just screams, oh, no. I need to learn to code and build something. But what if I told you that you can show off every single core PM skill a recruiter is dying to see without writing one single line of code? Seriously, this right here, this completely changes the game. On the one hand, you've got what you think they want. I gotta code an app, show my technical chops, make it look slick. But the reality, it's so different. What they actually want is to see that you can find a real problem, that you can dig in and understand it, that you have the guts to start something, and that you can tell a great story about the whole process. What you learned, what went wrong, everything. That story that's worth so much more than another to do list app. Okay, so if they're not looking for a coder, then what are they looking for? It really just comes down to a handful of core things that make a great pm. Well, great. Just take a look at this list initiative. Did you start something on your own leadership? Did you get other people on board? Impact, empathy, passion. What? Do you notice what's missing? Yeah, there's nothing here about coding. Not a thing. And honestly, getting bogged down trying to build an app can actually pull you away from showing off these skills. The cool thing is a. A killer. No code project can nail every single one of these. And this really gets to the whole Point of the side project. It's not just another bullet point on your resume. Think of it as your secret weapon for the interview. It's where all your best stories are going to come from. Stories about leadership, about figuring out tough problems, about making something happen. The project, that's just the car. The story you tell about the journey, that's where you're trying to go. Okay, so myth busted. We know what recruiters actually care about. So now let's get to the good stuff. The step by step playbook for creating an amazing side project that shows off all those PM skills. No code needed. So this is the big question, isn't it? If I'm not coding, what am I even supposed to do? It can feel a little weird, uh, like someone took away your tools. But what you're really doing is shifting your focus to the blueprint. And guess what? The blueprint is the PM's real job. You're not the construction worker, you're the architect. So instead of just winging it and hacking some code together, you're going to do what the pros do. You'll use a real product management framework, the same kind of thing a PM at Google or Amazon would use. A framework like Circles, for example, forces you to think through the whole problem methodically. You know, understanding the situation, figuring out who the customer is, brainstorming solutions. Following a process like that shows you have structured thinking. And let me tell you, that is a huge, huge plus for any recruiter. And here it is. This is the playbook. It's basically a five step process. That is exactly what product managers do all day, every day. Okay, step one, find a real problem, something you actually care about. Step two, and this is so important, go talk to people, real humans, interview them. This is how you build empathy and check if your ideas are even on the right track. Then step three, brainstorm a bunch of solutions and figure out which ones make the most sense. Step four is creating that blueprint we talked about. Write up some user stories, make some simple mockups. With a tool like Figma, you can even just use PowerPoint. And finally, step five, take those mockups back to the people you talk to and see what they think. Get that feedback, that whole cycle. That, my friends, is product management in a nutshell. Alright, so you've done all that, you've gone through the steps, you've done the work. Awesome. But that's only half the battle. Now comes the crucial part. You have to package it all up. You have to turn all that hard work into a story. A Story that's going to get you hired. I mean, think about the difference here. Anybody can say, yeah, I did customer research. Okay, cool. But what if you said this instead? You know, I noticed all my friends were having a nightmare trying to plan group trips, so I decided to dig in. I interviewed 15 of them, and it turns out the real problem wasn't booking flights. It was just agreeing on a budget. That one insight led me to mock up a simple little polling tool, and when I showed it to them, 12 out of 15 said they'd use it tomorrow. See the difference? That is a story. So where do you tell this amazing story? Everywhere. Don't hide it at the bottom of your resume. Seriously, if this project is more relevant to being a PM than your day job, put it right at the top under experience. Blast it on LinkedIn. Post updates about what you're learning, share your mock ups, and then in the interview, when they hit you with so tell me about yourself. This becomes your perfect opening. It becomes your go to answer for pretty much any question they throw at you about leadership or problem solving or impact. Okay, I know what you're thinking. This all sounds great, but where do I even start? That first step is always the hardest, for sure. So let's just erase, uh, that problem right now with a few concrete ideas. You could literally start this afternoon. Check these out. You could start a blog or a podcast where you just talk about products in an industry you love. That's an amazing way to show passion and that you can communicate clearly. Or how about do a deep dive product teardown of an app you use all the time. Pick it apart. Suggest improvements with mockups that screams user empathy and product sense. You could even just run a survey about something, analyze the results, and post what you found. Boom. You just created impact with data. Or get really into the weeds and write up a full product requirements document, a PRD for a new feature you wish your favorite app had that shows you can do the real day to day work. Every single one of these is pure gold for a PM resume. So I'm going to leave you with a different question to think about. Stop asking, what app should I build? Instead, start asking, what problem do I actually care about? What's something I want to dig into to really understand and to try and solve? Because that is the question that's going to lead you to a project that gets you hired. So go on, go find that problem. Thanks for watching. Subscribe and like.
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