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A guide to the best B2B podcast coverage of shadow AI - the shows and 37 episodes that go deepest, ranked by substance, not downloads.

Shadow AI - unauthorized or ungoverned AI deployments - poses a critical blind spot for security teams trying to maintain control over increasingly autonomous systems. Episodes from Wallarm on AI control loops, discussions on the gap between deployment speed and governance maturity with leaders like Zahra Shah and Mark Jones, and deep dives into agent identity and permission chains reveal that the real risk isn't just rogue AI, but the organizational inability to govern it faster than business units deploy it. From browser-based AI tools to AI agents operating with inherited permissions, security teams face a fundamental problem: leadership is moving faster than governance frameworks can adapt.

Best shows on shadow AI

Best episodes on shadow AI

  1. Aaron McCray: Ferrari Security: Speed With Guardrails

    Kitecast · 2026-03-11

    88 / 100

    …even if it's shadow AI, maybe it's even a corporate AI initiative.…

  2. AI Governance: The Hidden Risks of AI Agents and Shadow AI | John Willis | S1E14

    Alt-Consulting · 2026-05-20

    87 / 100

    …Now we are also hearing term like shadow AI and uncontrolled agents sprawl.…

  3. Don't Secure the Code. Secure the Coder.

    The AI Native Dev · 2026-05-26

    86 / 100

    …So things like shadow AI or employees just using their own free ChatGPT account to do things.…

  4. Episode 37: Engineered Intelligence and The Data Science Problem in AI

    High Signal · 2026-04-02

    86 / 100

    …What lessons can we learn from this so that AI doesn't suffer the same fate? In this episode of High Signal Jordan and I explore why enterprise AI projects are seeing a 90% failure rate while shadow AI is quietly thriving at the individual level.…

  5. AI Governance Essentials: Navigating Security and Compliance in Enterprise AI with Walter Haydock

    Cyber Sentries: AI Insight to Cloud Security · 2025-10-08

    85 / 100

    …We also examine the growing problem of shadow AI, where employees adopt AI tools outside official channels and what enterprises can do to get ahead of it.…

  6. AI Security: Gerald Auger on Shadow AI, Non Human Identities, and AI Defense

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-06-10

    84 / 100

    …Lately, I am just, I'm just, I'm just fascinated with it, and I know you guys are too, so Darryl, first question, give me your thinking around shadow AI.…

  7. AI Security: Shadow AI, Non Human Identities, and AI Defense (Rock Lambros)

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-05-05

    84 / 100

    …So with that, without further ado, first question for rock is, give me your thinking around shadow AI, Rock.…

  8. AI in Healthcare: Shadow AI, Trust & the Human’s Role - with Dr Keith Grimes (#70)

    The Healthusiasm Podcast · 2026-06-19

    81 / 100

    …I mean, the shadow AI, the shadow technology that we're always talking about, you know, people using WhatsApp to send some page director to somebody else.…

  9. The Unknown Unknowns of Agentic Security (with Raj Chopra)

    The neXt Curve reThink Podcast · 2026-04-23

    80 / 100

  10. Treat AI agents like human employees

    Trust Issues · 2026-06-09

    80 / 100

    …Again, it's what we call shadow AI.…

  11. AI Security: Patricia Titus on Shadow AI, Non-Human Identities, and AI Defense

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-05-27

    79 / 100

    …the moment, because, as you all know, AI security happening is happening in real time as we're looking at it, right? So, first question I'm going to ask you, Patty, is: Give me your thinking around shadow AI.…

  12. SailPoint presents: How healthcare can secure AI tools and non-human identities

    HIMSSCast · 2026-08-04

    77 / 100

    …peaker B: Now, shadow AI is a big topic these days.…

  13. #91. Phishing Trends, AI Exploitation, and the Security Curve: Zenith Live Takeaways (Part 2)

    Expert Insights Podcast · 2026-07-02

    76 / 100

    …Uh, so the point I'm trying to make is the shadow AI is going to be another third piece that is very, very important, which you will have to pay attention to because if you don't even know that you have this AI run, phishing attacks are probably too far for you to catch.…

  14. AI Security: Todd Smith on Shadow AI, NHIs, and AI Defense

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-04-29

    76 / 100

    …I'm interested to hear what you're hearing from your peers about addressing shadow AI in their environments.…

  15. Enterprise AI: Shadow AI and Agentic Risk - CIO advice

    CXOTalk · 2026-05-16

    73 / 100

    …On the other end of that, the ability to understand the impact of shadow AI and what people might be doing and we shouldn't necessarily try to stop them because it's like trying to stop oxygen.…

  16. Why Conventional Cybersecurity Won’t Protect AI? | Interview with Hugo Huang

    Secure & Simple · 2026-06-16

    72 / 100

    …Firstly, the people, the shadow IT, shadow AI, they're using something that you didn't know.…

  17. Creating an AI Strategy That Works With Dana Moffat From Acumatica - Unboxing Logistics Ep. 88

    Unboxing Logistics · 2026-04-22

    72 / 100

    …I think it's like 95% of employees are using AI even on their own, what we often call shadow AI, where people are using AI tools that weren't official.…

  18. “If Your Job’s on a Computer, It Will Change.” Here’s What to Do Next | Mark Rotheram | Ep 1

    AI for Business with BCN · 2026-01-21

    72 / 100

    …We have got the potential of Shadow AI, you know, where people just go and use public domain models, basically models that haven't got the guardrails in place that stop data leakage.…

  19. Beyond the Token: How to Secure Agent Identity Across the Full Permission Chain with Jasson Casey

    Cyber Sentries: AI Insight to Cloud Security · 2026-06-03

    71 / 100

    …Sometimes they'll call it shadow AI, sometimes they'll just call it asset discovery, sometimes they won't put words to it.…

  20. AI Security Starts with Education: James McQuiggan on Shadow AI, NHIs, and AI Defense

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-05-19

    71 / 100

    …James, give me your thinking around shadow AI.…

  21. Episode 374 Deep Dive: Mark Jones | The Department of No Is Over - Why Cyber Has to Lead AI Adoption

    KBKAST · 2026-07-01

    63 / 100

    …Why banning tools backfires into shadow AI and the question hanging over every security team, do you reinvent yourself in the next two years, or do you get left behind?…

  22. Are leaders deploying AI faster than they can effectively govern it with Zahra Shah

    Tech Tomorrow · 2026-06-23

    62 / 100

    …A lot of their employees are already using what we call shadow AI without their knowledge.…

  23. Microsoft Purview Data Security

    AI for Business with BCN · 2025-06-11

    62 / 100

    …So we're talking about Microsoft Purview , which is a great follow-on to our earlier episode , where we were talking about shadow AI and some of the dangers and concerns that businesses are having at present in enabling staff to be more productive , but doing it in a responsible manner .…

  24. Mimecast CISO On Why AI Has Become A Cybersecurity Risk

    The Business of Cybersecurity · 2026-06-02

    60 / 100

    …So today we're going to explore why AI models are becoming high value targets, how shadow AI is creating unseen risks inside organisations and come away with some actionable takeaways of what leaders need to be thinking and doing right now to stay ahead of some of these threats.…

  25. The Data Foundation for AI: Daniel Cohen-Dumani of Experio AI on Balancing Centralization, Governance, and Agility

    Evolving the Enterprise · 2026-02-03

    60 / 100

    …It feels like uh, and I have heard the term shadow AI too built on the concept of the shadow it, but it feels like there's definitely a bigger uh, more groundswell of support for people wanting to use this because I think across the business they can see value.…

  26. Derek Fisher on AI Governance, AI Agents & MCP Risk

    AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop · 2026-07-01

    60 / 100

    …But then there's also, you know, shadow AI where people are able to, whether you're going directly to ChatGPT or Claude, or you're creating your own local, um, you know, agents and you know, utilizing local LLMs.…

  27. The AI Control Loop: When AI Goes Rogue - with Craig Thomas of Wallarm

    Code Story: Insights from Startup Tech Leaders

    57 / 100

    …[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move into the shadow world, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And shadow AI is the unsanctioned or unmonitored use of AI tools, apps, or embedded features by employees within an organization.…

  28. The AI Extinction Event: Is Your Data Already Training Your Competitor’s Next Product?

    Tech People · 2026-05-04

    57 / 100

    …And that introduces another danger of, um, what we call shadow AI as well.…

  29. Preparing For The Cyber Storm: Insights On Risk, Insurance, And Reputation With Awais Farooq

    Navigating Cyber Risk · 2026-01-21

    55 / 100

    …I was talking to somebody the other day and they were talking about how AI, it's kind of shadow AI these days, right.…

  30. Browser Security and the AI Blind Spot MSPs Are Missing in 2025

    Sunny's Silver Linings · 2026-06-25

    54 / 100

    …with? Before rushing to judgment, The MSP has the ability to go to the end customer and say, hey, do you really know what your users are doing right now? If you think about the concept behind shadow AI, shadow AI isn't nefarious.…

  31. AI governance, trust, and app growth - Adeel Shaikh Muhammad (Adeel Solutions)

    Apptivate: App Marketing Explained · 2026-06-24

    54 / 100

    …how widespread do you think that is and why is that risky if it is at all yeah so you know that's why there is a term of shadow ai i'm sure you know that shadow ai is like the tools which are not approved so they have not approved those tools in the organization due to whatever factor it can be geopolitics it can be other security concern or it's…

  32. Frank Raimondi | Continuous Vulnerability Management in the Age of AI

    MSP Business School · 2026-06-23

    52 / 100

    …But, you know, the shadow AI is, I think you'd probably, God, if I was a business owner today, that would, I mean, you know, I would be that much more concerned.…

  33. AI Trust Architect: Building Responsible AI with Jill Heinze

    FutureProof · 2026-01-02

    51 / 100

    …Yeah, you get into a lot of problems with shadow AI as they call it.…

  34. Use Case Thursday: The Shadow AI Delusion

    Generative AI 101 · 2026-07-02

    40 / 100

    …Which brings us today to our jargon pivot and the term is shadow AI.…

  35. Shadow AI In Your Org Is A Major Problem

    SaaS Showdown · 2024-10-09

    37 / 100

  36. Three Ways to Manage AI Use in Organizations with Uri Haramati

    SaaS Scaled · 2026-04-28

  37. Shadow AI is Faster Than Your Governance: Why Guardrails are Failing

    The Enterprise AI Show · 2026-04-19