Work For Humans · 2026-06-16 · 1h 6m
Rishad Tobaccowala has spent much of his career breaking out of boxes. First it was the spreadsheet and the idea that organizations can be managed through numbers alone. Then it was the office and the assumptions built into how we supervise and coordinate work. More recently, he has turned his attention to the broader structures that shape how we work and learn. In this episode, Dart and Rishad discuss the limits of measurement, management as a zone of control versus a zone of influence, and why the future may not fit inside the containers we inherited from the past. In this episode, Dart and Rishad discuss: - The containers that shape our thinking - Why spreadsheets can blind us - When measurement becomes the mission - Talent without opportunity - The office as a management tool - Control versus influence - Why companies become zoos - What CEOs say about AI - Why people resist transformation - Choosing with our hearts, not our heads - And other topics… Rishad Tobaccowala is an author, advisor, speaker, and teacher focused on helping people and organizations thrive in times of change.
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