Win Make Give with Ben Kinney · 2026-07-03 · 27 min
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18 / 100
Five dimensions, 20 points each
This episode reframes stress as a growth mechanism rather than an enemy, drawing on research and personal experience. Ben and Chad establish that stress isn't inherently bad - it's the body's survival response and can drive positive change, like muscle growth during workouts or business expansion under pressure. However, they emphasize it's how you respond that matters. Two key studies anchor the discussion: one showing 85% of subjects' worries never materialized, with 79% of actual problems handling better than expected (leaving only 3% truly negative outcomes), and a Penn State study on generalized anxiety disorder finding 91% of worries didn't come true. This data demolishes the productivity lost to rumination. Practical solutions include the 15 Point Plan framework, which incorporates exercise (2.5 hours weekly or 20 minutes daily at 70% max heart rate), laughter and comedy, 7/11 breathing (inhale 7 seconds, exhale 11), consistent sleep schedules, hobbies like wood carving, and intentional slowdowns. Ben shares exercises he uses with business partners - listing five worst things from the past year and confirming none affect them today - to break stress spirals. The tone is conversational and self-deprecating, with jabs at absent cohost Bob Stewart.
85% of worries never happen at all, and a Penn State study on generalized anxiety disorder found 91% of worries never came true, meaning most stress is wasted mental energy on events that don't occur.
The episode cites stress as a growth catalyst - similar to how muscles tear under stress during exercise, rest, and heal back stronger, business stress often forces necessary hires that drive growth.
7/11 breathing means inhaling for 7 seconds and exhaling for 11 seconds; it forces deep lung emptying and releases calming chemicals in your body while relaxing stress-related muscle tension.
Chad recommends 20 minutes daily at 70% of your maximum heart rate, or 2.5 hours weekly of moderate-intense exercise like brisk walking, swimming, or jogging.
Maintain the same wake-up time every day regardless of when you fall asleep; after several days your circadian rhythm will naturally kick in and you'll pass out on schedule.
Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.
The episode is dominated by banter, jokes, self-promotion of other shows, and T-shirt ideas; the only substantive claims - two worry studies and the stress-as-catalyst analogy - surface in a few minutes of a 27-minute episode and are not developed beyond surface level. Nearly every 'tip' is a platitude (exercise, sleep, talk about it).
Dairy Queen got all my money. Ladies and gentlemen.
85% of what the subjects worried about never happened at all.
Every idea here - stress as muscle growth catalyst, fight-or-flight, 85% of worries never materialise, breathe deeply, exercise, sleep, find a hobby - is recycled standard self-help content with no contrarian or first-principles angle added. Nothing a B2B operator would not have encountered dozens of times already.
Stress isn't a bad thing. It's the lack of intermittent rest that causes stress to be overwhelming.
You're in a stressful financial situation. Go listen to the wealth series so that those don't things don't become stress to you.
There is no external guest; the two hosts are apparently real-estate/business coaches with no demonstrated expertise in stress psychology or B2B operations, and they explicitly disclaim authority mid-episode. The episode is partly a promotional vehicle for their own other content.
Ben and I are just here sharing our opinions and the research that we have been able to find.
I feel like this is, uh, like a well needed plug for Chad and Julene's star award winning because I gave it an award podcast, the 15 Point Plan
Two studies are referenced - one unnamed and one attributed to Penn State - but neither is properly cited with author, year, or journal; the Sadler quote is introduced with an incorrect publication date. The 711 breathing technique and Muse 2 device are the only concretely named specifics of modest usefulness.
Penn State found in these generalized anxiety disorder personalities, 91% of the people's worries never came true.
one of the things she talked to us about was what she calls 711 breathing...take a breath, in for seven seconds...And then exhale for 11 seconds.
The format is an unstructured buddy chat with constant joke tangents, repeated plugs for their own podcast, and zero probing follow-up questions; the host never challenges a single claim and frequently derails into comedy bits that consume significant airtime with no payoff.
We get to bust on Bob because he's not here right now. So we get to say whatever we want.
Insert sponsored ad for Viagra. Stiff jaw, stiff neck
Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.
Chad Hyams and Ben Kinney delve into the impact of stress on daily life, relationships, and health. They share insights on how stress can be a catalyst for growth, citing studies revealing that most worries never materialize. Through humor and personal anecdotes, they explore coping strategies like exercise, laughter, deep breathing, and the value of hobbies. The episode underscores the importance of understanding and addressing stress to enhance well-being and performance. Tune in for practical advice and a lighthearted approach to managing life's pressures. -
Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.
Speaker A: Foreign.
Speaker B: To the Win Make Give Podcast, season two, Chad Heim. Season two is all about what?
Speaker A: Winning.
Speaker B: Winning. Ladies and gentlemen, we've gone through a lot of topics today. As always, I'm joined with Chad Himes. But Bob Stewart's not here today because Bob Stewart can't handle the topic. When this topic comes up, he gets all, all, all bothered and he walks out of the room because he just cannot handle the pressure of what, Chad?
Speaker A: Stress. Oh, no.
Speaker B: How many of you have ever been bogged down by stress and you've allowed it to affect your day, your work, your relationships, your friendships, your attitude or your health? Did you end up with a body by Haagen Dazs because of stress? I know I did. Dairy Queen got all my money. Ladies and gentlemen. Gentlemen, stress is a killer of all things. Your mood, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, in the bedroom, it is the killer of your attitude. At work, it's the killer of your health. Oh, my gosh. Chad, what does the dictionary say the definition of stress is?
Speaker A: Ben, There were two definitions the dictionary had that I thought were important. The first one that comes up is pressure or tension exerted on a material object. So that's like bend a bar, put stress on it. Something along those lines. But that's us too, right? We could be that material object. There could be physical stress. And then the second definition was a state of mental or emotional strain or tension resulting from adverse or very demanding circumstances.
Speaker B: Chad, what's something that stresses you out?
Speaker A: I don't stress, and I think it's my exercise. Stressing doesn't bother me anymore. You want to ask me the question what used to stress me out?
Speaker B: Sure.
Speaker A: Money. Money was one of the things that used to stress me out until I took the wealth series.
Speaker B: So what he's basically saying is now that money's not a problem, it no longer stresses them out. However, if it was a problem tomorrow, would it stress you out?
Speaker A: Probably not as much as it used to because I've learned how to handle it. But stress used to come from money. It used to come in relationships. I was in a relationship that was very stressful.
Speaker B: I remember.
Speaker A: Yes. Uh, so I've put a lot of pieces in place and, Ben, I'm gonna give a plug to another podcast here. It's the 15 point plan. And by putting those steps into place in my everyday life, I don't deal with stress on a regular basis. And it's a gift I thankfully have.
Speaker B: I think. Chad, for me, there's two things that have stressed me out the most in my Life one is financial problems. And whether that's big financial problems or small or even unfounded financial problems, where I'm stressing about something that could happen. An economic crisis, the COVID crisis, whatever.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker B: Like, oh, uh, what could happen? It worries me because so many lives depend on our companies and what we do. Money is a stressor. Which is why we taught the wealth series and why we're so committed to being financially secure. Because we don't want money to stress us out anymore.
Speaker A: Correct.
Speaker B: The second thing is relationships. Like if you go home at night and there was some conversation you had with a friend or a partner or an employee and it's unresolved, it eats at your mind, doesn't it?
Speaker A: It can, yes.
Speaker B: Yeah. Relationships can stress you out. And I'm sure that those of you listening right now, you can think of five or ten other things that constantly cause you stress. But, Chad, there was an American surgeon and psychiatrist named William Samuel Sadler, and he gave us a definition of stress. What was that?
Speaker A: Yeah, I'm glad you read his name and all of that stuff. More than I had to, Ben. But I thought it was a great definition that he gave in his 1915 book. Right. Been Around a While. He described stress or worry as an inability to relax the attention once it had fastened itself onto a given fear.
Speaker B: The inability to relax the attention once it had fastened itself onto a given fear. The fear of going broke. The fear of a relationship ending. A fear of somebody not liking you. A fear of failure. Right. The inability to relax the attention. And that's from his book called Worry and Nervousness. Worry and nervousness, written in 1990. Published in 1959.
Speaker A: Yeah. That's a while ago now, right?
Speaker B: Yeah, super long.
Speaker A: So, Ben, I was just going to say, you know, stress is. It's normal. Right. Everybody out there should just accept that we all at some point, in some way are going to deal with it. We're not doing this episode for you to stress. We're going to actually help you deal with stress and understand stress a little bit better. Right. The body is designed to experience stress. Cause it's going to happen. And then our body produces physical and mental responses. You see, that's what stress is. But Ben, not all stress is bad. So think about that. We talked about right off the bat. I threw the word stress at you before we started this and said, let's talk about stress with our audience, because so many people are doing it. Stress can be bad. You talked about that relationship beating at us or money worries or a job loss. Or something. Sometimes stress is good. Like in a dangerous situation, stress is gonna be good. Cause it teaches our body to flee or fight, in that case, depending Right. Which way it's gonna be. Our, uh, pulse will quicken, we breathe faster, our muscles tense up, your brain uses more oxygen. These are indications of stress. Sometimes that can actually be good because it's gonna bring survival. If you're in the woods and a bear is staring you down, you're probably experiencing stress at that moment.
Speaker B: I stare, um, him right back in the eyes, Chad. And I said, bear, you better get out of here.
Speaker A: And then I run and trip you because I know I'm faster than you are. So I'll be okay.
Speaker B: Ladies and gentlemen, just to make it perfectly clear, Chad and I have not done a race. There is no actual proof. I'm pretty sure you can run further than me, but we will have to have a 50 yard sprint to see if he is actually all right.
Speaker A: With a bear chasing us.
Speaker B: With a bear chasing us. Uh, you know, I read something somewhere, uh, which is good. It talks about stress and the quote was, stress is actually the catalyst for growth.
Speaker A: M. Say it again.
Speaker B: Stress is actually the catalyst for growth. Here's an example. When you work out pumping the iron. Right. And you actually create stress on your muscles and then inside your muscles they actually tear.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: And the idea is if they have some rest, they can heal back.
Speaker A: Correct.
Speaker B: And they don't just heal back equal. Most of the time they heal back bigger, stronger. Stronger.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: Stress isn't a bad thing. It's the lack of intermittent rest that causes stress to be overwhelming.
Speaker A: Mhm.
Speaker B: Like continuing to run on that hurt knee or whatever, till some point it actually breaks. Then there's really no coming back.
Speaker A: There was probably also a time in your business that your business was extremely stressed. You were going crazy. And then you had to make a hire, which then brought that growth in that exact same way.
Speaker B: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A: For sure.
Speaker B: So stress isn't a bad thing.
Speaker A: Right.
Speaker B: Here's what we should write down. How you respond to it can be. Mhm. Stress isn't a bad thing. It's actually the catalyst for growth.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: How you respond to it is what matters. And then number two, what can you do to minimize the amount of future stress that that continues to reappear in your life?
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: That's just idiocracy. Right.
Speaker A: You're in a stressful relationship. Change the relationship. You're in a stressful financial situation. Go listen to the wealth series so that those don't things don't become stress to you.
Speaker B: So there was a study that you found.
Speaker A: Yep, two of them. This is the first.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: Yep. So subjects were asked to write down their worries over a period of time during this. This study that was done, and identify which of their imagined misfortunes did and did not happen. Okay. So they were asked to say, what are you worrying about? What are you stressing about? Write them all down. Let's see what happens. Here's the thing, Ben. 85% of what the subjects worried about never happened at all. 85% of the things never even happened.
Speaker B: So what you're saying is that 85% of the time that I spent worrying about something, it actually just never happened.
Speaker A: Never happened. Whatever you're worrying about never happened. You're worried about you were going to lose your job. You worried about that client didn't want to work with you. You're worried about your partner was going to leave you worried about, oh, I don't know, that the weather was going to blow that big tree down. Beside, that never even happened. It didn't occur at all. 85% of the time.
Speaker B: What a gigantic fricking waste of time.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: What a gigantic waste of freaking time, Chad.
Speaker A: I'm going to take it farther, Ben. And with the 15% that did happen, okay, so that other 15%, um, 79% of it, they found out that they could handle way better than they expected or came away with a lesson that was absolutely worth learning. So they were actually thankful for the 15% of times that it did occur.
Speaker B: So 80% of 15. I'm not super good at math, but that's like 11.
Speaker A: Well, what we've had 97% of what you worry about stop. Because it's only 3% of the time that it's actually bad.
Speaker B: Whoa.
Speaker A: 97% of the things you worry about, only 3% is bad. 85% never happens, and 79% of what does happen happens in your favor.
Speaker B: That's such a good, like, thought for us to sit back and think about. Like, how much of our lives are we simply wasting on shit that's never gonna happen ever, ever, ever, ever. That's a little goofy. Yeah, I don't know if I'm supposed to say that word, uh, Dave, but. Goofy. Yeah, that one.
Speaker A: He's a character at Disney. Goofy.
Speaker B: Okay.
Speaker A: All right, so there was study number two.
Speaker B: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker A: Going back to study number one, I
Speaker B: have this exercise that I do with some of my partners.
Speaker A: Okay.
Speaker B: And I have a few of my partners in business that for whatever reason, they've become accustomed to stressing about things.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: And most of these things I one, tell them, Chad, are things they cannot control.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: Which means stop worrying about it because
Speaker A: you can't change it 85% of the time.
Speaker B: Yeah. Or two, it's going to be fine anyway. Right. So here's what I asked them to do. Um, I want you to go down for a second. I want you to write down five of the worst things that happened to you last year. Just think about, like when you think about your lowest low last year and five bad things that happened, just write those down. And they say, okay, I did great. Let me ask you a question. Of those five things, which of those things are actually affecting you today? Most of the time, Chad, they say none of them. Mhm. So I go back and say, when you've been in this downward spiral and you're about to implode and you're falling down in this crevasse of self pity or whatever. Right?
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: None of it actually matters today. Remember that Bob Newhart movie? Or that skit from the Bob Newhart show where it says stop it. You guys should all look up Bob NEWHART Stop it. YouTube video. It'll crack you up. Chad will put it up.
Speaker A: We'll put it in the Facebook group. Facebook.com group winmakegift. Thanks for the plug opportunity there, Ben. I'll put that in the group.
Speaker B: Okay, Just stop it. It doesn't matter. Okay, study number two.
Speaker A: Okay, study number two, Another study, this one was done by Penn State. So they're really smart people over there. So. Right. They asked people with a generalized anxiety disorder, they actually have a term G, that's gad. So if anybody out there has a generalized anxiety disorder, they went and went to go to those people who really suffer for anxiety at a high level and asked them to write down everything that they worried about for one month. Okay. They had to record what happened with their worries. And Penn State found in these generalized anxiety disorder personalities, 91% of the people's worries never came true. So there's just more proof, Ben. Most of the time. Most, most, Most of the time I can't say 99% of the time, 100%, but most of the time never happens or doesn't happen anywhere near as negatively as you think it's going to happen and wasn't worth worrying about.
Speaker B: Let's put some Win make give T shirts up on, uh, in the Facebook. Stress is a waste of time.
Speaker A: Stress is a waste of time.
Speaker B: Because that's what it is. We didn't need a reminder. We need wristbands and a T shirt that simply say stress is a waste of time.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: Well, Chad, what we learned as we research stress and we think back in our own lives, like how does stress physically, emotionally or mentally affect us?
Speaker A: Mhm.
Speaker B: Here's some of the things that we came up with. Number one, Diarrhea or constipation.
Speaker A: Boy, those are extremes.
Speaker B: That's a crappy situation.
Speaker A: One one way and one the other way. Right.
Speaker B: Forgetfulness, frequent headaches or pains.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: Body aches.
Speaker A: Mhm.
Speaker B: Lack of energy, lack of focus. Sexual problems. You need that sexual healing for the right price.
Speaker A: We can probably sell a blue pill on this for sure. Yeah.
Speaker B: Insert sponsored ad for Viagra. Stiff jaw, stiff neck, Tiredness. Mhm. Trouble sleeping or sleeping. Too much. Upset stomach. Excess alcohol consumption. Excess drugs consumption, Weight loss or weight gain. Excessive consumption of ice cream. Dairy Queen, Ben and Jerry's frozen yogurts. Haagen Dazs, ladies and gentlemen. T shirt number two. Stress makes you chubby.
Speaker A: Unless we get the extreme weight loss that comes with it. We might.
Speaker B: I've never been blessed with that stress.
Speaker A: No, but I would welcome it. In the grocery store freezer section waiting for you to sit and decide which one you want.
Speaker B: We should do a scientific study to figure out which. Stress positively affects metabolism. And I will stress myself out all day long. Here's the deal. You don't feel good. It makes you not look good. You don't have energy. You can't think. Right. You lost all your smarts. Right. You end up like Bob Stewart. We get to bust on Bob because he's not here right now. So we get to say whatever we want. He probably doesn't even listen to this podcast, so we can say whatever he wants because we know none of you will tell him that. That we were trash talking Mr. Constipated. Forgetfulness, headache, lack of energy.
Speaker A: Careful, careful.
Speaker B: No idea about his sexual problems.
Speaker A: Do we need a T shirt that says we won't tell Bob?
Speaker B: Also in the face, the third T shirt. We don't tell Bob. Don't tell Bob. Ladies and gentlemen, stress is a bad thing.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: So how do jet. How do we combat, like fricking Rambo, Chuck Norris, Jean Claude Van Damme, Wesley snipes in passenger 57. How do we combat. How do we combat stress?
Speaker A: Well, Ben, I would think stress actually stresses about Chuck Norris. Right? I mean, that's how it would go. All right. Few ways that you can combat stress. And I'm going To give you the easiest way to do it. Follow the 15 point plan.
Speaker B: I feel like this is, uh, like a well needed plug for Chad and Julene's star award winning because I gave it an award podcast, the 15 Point Plan, which is a model that I came up with to reduce my own stress and increase my own happiness and my own performance.
Speaker A: And you'll see a lot of these things on combating stress as we did our research on it, Ben, that you've already put onto the 15 point plan. So the first one, the easiest way to combat stress and one of the ways I said I don't think I experience stress very much anymore is exercise. Yeah.
Speaker B: But now why is that?
Speaker A: Well, it. Because of all the endorphins that are released into your body.
Speaker B: Yeah.
Speaker A: So how much should you exercise? Look, any exercise is better than no exercise. Work up to doing like two and a half hours of moderate, intense exercise, which would be brisk walks or swimming, jogging, some playing in some team sport, even every week, weekly two and a half hours over a week would be.
Speaker B: I was already sweating when I thought you were going to say daily a day.
Speaker A: Uh, no. My recommendation is it's 20 minutes a day of your average heart rate being 70% of maximum heart rate. So if you jumped over to the 15 point plan, I give you the whole calculation in our movement, uh, episode, uh, on how to figure that out. But Ben, if you have fitness goals that you can work towards, you're going to have the positive energy that comes with achieving a goal and working towards it. That will help with the endorphin rush that comes and a goal achievement at the end of the line.
Speaker B: So let's say you had a really stressful day at work.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: And you got home. And you don't want to take it out on your honey bunny or your kids. Right. Or your friends. You might get home and say, hey, do you want to go for a walk?
Speaker A: Correct.
Speaker B: Or hey, I'm going to go for a walk, or I'm going to do something for 15 minutes or get on
Speaker A: the peloton or I'm going, yeah. Park around the corner and just walk the opposite blocks in your neighborhood before you go home just to get that heart rate up and get some endorphins in you.
Speaker B: You know, I, I like to listen to things that make me laugh because making me laugh is one of the ways that I combat stress. So I will listen to comedy. I have it downloaded on my phone. It's ready for me to listen to. I, uh, love Judah Friedlander. He Cracks me up. Super dry humor like us. Uh, but I'll listen to something, Jack, because it makes me laugh when I'm laughing. It's hard for me to have self pity or to think about other things in my world because I'm laughing. Yes, Right. So our second way would be let's add a little bit of laughter to your life. By the way, that is one of the 15 points.
Speaker A: Absolutely.
Speaker B: But the third one, Chad, is deep, uh, breathing. Breeding like.
Speaker A: No, not breathing. Breathing.
Speaker B: Not deep breathing.
Speaker A: No.
Speaker B: Deep breathing. Breathing.
Speaker A: Yes. And Ben, if anybody wants, if you missed this one, go Back to episode 16 of Win May Give Season 2 here. Uh, Bob and I had the chance that Bob guy to interview Dr. Phyllis Quinlan and she was fantastic. And one of the things she talked to us about was what she calls 711 breathing. Okay, so that's take a breath, in for seven seconds.
Speaker B: Uh, it's hard to breathe and count.
Speaker A: And count your head for us, Ben. And then exhale for 11 seconds. So it's not the in for five, hold for five, out for five. That's almost natural breathing. But in for seven and out for 11 is gonna force you to really empty your lungs and focus on them being able to take deep breaths in that will release chemicals within your body as well and relax your muscles that are going along with stress.
Speaker B: Okay, next one. Sleep. Sleep. Sleep is one of these things because when you're stressed, uh, some of us, we feel super tired.
Speaker A: Correct.
Speaker B: Or we can't sleep.
Speaker A: Yeah. Your brain doesn't turn off from it.
Speaker B: And it happens to me because I've lived a stressful life on and off for my entire career.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: Here's one of the rules. No matter what time I fall asleep, get up at the same time.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: Because after a certain amount of days you finally pass out.
Speaker A: Correct.
Speaker B: And uh, and I'm a night owl, so sometimes I will stay up all night till 4 to 5. I'll still be emailing and texting and bothering you all you guys. That's just me. I'm up all night.
Speaker A: Yep.
Speaker B: But after a certain amount of days I'll pass out. Right. So if you are going to figure out your sleep, make sure you either go to bed or you get up at the same time and it'll naturally work itself out over time.
Speaker A: Yes. Your circadian rhythm will kick in as the term would be.
Speaker B: Oh, another, uh, this is another one point for the 15 point plan. Make time for hobbies, Chad.
Speaker A: Yeah, I could have just ripped off the 15 point plan here, but I didn't. I Actually was doing research, Ben, you said, okay, Chad, find out what's out there. What's the world telling us about how to combat stress. You had already figured it out for the 15 point plan. It's fine. Even if it's just 10, 15 minutes a day to spend on a hobby, so that, that will help you relieve stress. So talk to us about hobbying and spending time on a hobby, Ben.
Speaker B: Well, you saw my newest little 15, 20 minute hobby after work.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: Uh, and he saw the band aids on my hands. To prove it, I went onto Amazon and I bought some wood carving tools.
Speaker A: Yes.
Speaker B: And I carved the coolest wizard everywhere that everybody calls a gnome. And it ticks me off. It's not a gnome, everybody. It's a wizard. It's something for me to do that forces me to focus. And I'm so focused on that, I can't think about anything else. It's almost like a form of meditation for me sometimes. Other hobbies might be. I'm looking forward to doing something in the future. I like to pick mushrooms. Not the goofy pie ones, but the ones you cook with. So I'll research about them or I'll read about them, or I'll be thinking about that kind of stuff. It doesn't even have to be doing the hobby. Sometimes it's using our brain to think about the future.
Speaker A: And I love that you brought that up because so many people, uh, on the 15 point plan have asked us, well, how do I do something every day? And it's look, one of my hobbies is exercise. Some days, though, I'm actually just spending 10 or 15 minutes researching a race that's coming up or researching new product gear that goes with it. Because my brain will turn off completely while I get to do that. And it helps me relieve my stress going through all of that. So great that you brought that up on how to do that, Ben. The next one, Just slow down. Call timeout. Put a pause in the day. What are some of the ways that you or know of that people could do to just slow down in the middle of a day if they had to?
Speaker B: Chad. I only have one speed. Fast. Feel me. It's smooth.
Speaker A: Yeah.
Speaker B: What temperature am I? Cool.
Speaker A: There you go. I can't even look at him while he's.
Speaker B: Oh, I drive these guys nuts. Here's how I slow down. In the morning, I'll read the news or a book. In the middle of the day, I'll read the news or a book or I'll listen to music, or I'll read when I get home. Or I'll take a walk, right?
Speaker A: Or sometimes that's a big one for you. Yeah, you'll take. There are some trails near the office, trails near your house. You'll just off and go for a walk, even if you have to have the meeting through the walk to relieve the stress. Because maybe it's a stressful meeting you're even having.
Speaker B: I even have a device at home called, uh, a muse or a muse 2.
Speaker A: Is that the thing you put on your head when you sleep? That's supposed to.
Speaker B: Not when you sleep, but you put it on, uh, while you're sitting there. And it has an app and your goal, it reads your brainwaves, and your goal is to lower your brainwaves so you aren't thinking about anything. So it has all these games and it does things when you're thinking too much, and then it goes and does the right thing when you're not. So you play these games and you train your brain to stop overthinking over time. Highly recommend it. Super fun, the Muse 2. It's a few hundred bucks, but it's worth every dollar. Uh, meditation, yoga, tai chi, if you're cool and in an 80s kung fu movie, prayer, you know, music. Reach out to me if you want one of my Spotify playlists. I'm pretty proud of the music I'm collecting. It shows how psychotic I am. Uh, spending time in nature, doing those sort of things is definitely going to help. And lastly, Chad, talk, uh, about problems.
Speaker A: Yeah, talk about your problems, right? I mean, it's. How many commercials do we see on tv? Men with health, and they don't want to talk to anybody about it. Right. If something's bothering you, talk about it. It'll reduce the stress. When you're having a tension with your, with your, your partner, you say your honey bunny, right? Talk about it with them. When you're having a stress with a co worker, a boss, uh, anybody, it is. If you can just talk about it, you can let it out. You can probably air out what's really not something to worry about. Again, 85% of the time it wasn't truly an issue. And 79% of the time left over, it's going to work out in your favor. Something easy to deal with.
Speaker B: It's why, like finding these peers, these people that are going through similar things as you and talking to them, yes. Helps because they say, you know what? I worried about the same thing. And here's the thing. It didn't matter, right? It was an issue I think people probably worry about being a parent when they first have a kid. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna injure the baby. They're so fragile. And by the third kid they're like, ah, you know what they'll find? They'll figure it out. If they're climbing, roll them around, they're fine, right? They're picking up the food off the
Speaker A: floor, you know, doesn't matter anymore. Think about one of the most successful organizations that's out there. And I'm not saying this in any way other than a, uh, blessing towards these organizations, but it's Blank Anonymous, right? I mean, Alcoholics Anonymous or Drug Anonymous programs. It's people coming together to talk about the problems or challenges that which are bringing them stress in their life of overcoming and having to deal with it. So whether it's you've lost a spouse, whether it's. There's probably a group out there for you to talk about it with.
Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we hope that you're not stressed out and that just talking about stress today kind of put you into a mindset that I've been wasting my time and energy by stressing about things that don't matter. I'm starting to understand the physical and mental effects that having this excess stress in my life is causing. Mhm. And now I have a couple of tools that I could use. I'm going to go back, listen to the 15 Point Plan podcast, and I'm going to dive in and try to think about some of these things that you could do, like exercise, uh, deep breeding, uh, sleep, hobbies, slowing down, talking about our problems. Because we're going to have a cool and easy life, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to have low stress. If it doesn't. What was the old pen I got at the fair when I was a kid? Mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter, right?
Speaker A: Absolutely.
Speaker B: Chad, how do we end all these podcasts?
Speaker A: Well folks, one, we hope you're not dealing with anything too serious and that this episode has helped you. If stress does continue at a high level, go get some professional help. Go see your doctor if that's what it comes down to. Ben and I are just here sharing our opinions and the research that we have been able to find. Make sure you've joined us in our Facebook group. Why? Well, because we're going to be putting up T shirts apparently in our Facebook group. Dave, I hope you've been taking notes on the T shirt so we make sure we create the right ones. We're also going to share with you that Bob Newhart video Ben was talking about. Make sure you join us for the conversation that happens after each and every episode where we share the big takeaways in our community. That's facebook.com groups, win, make, give. And until our next episode, as always, do good
Speaker B: Sam.
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