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How to lead when you don't fit in - Dave Martin (CPO, Fractional)

The Product Experience · 2026-06-03 · 43 min

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Dave Martin has spent more than two decades in product leadership, with a string of C-suite roles, a couple of exits and a book, The Product Momentum Gap , to his name. He is also dyslexic and ADHD, and has built a career while masking the effort it takes to "think normal". In this episode he makes the case that the advice handed to neurotypical leaders often fails the roughly half of tech workers who are neurodivergent, and lays out a practical playbook for landing your message, leading the room and progressing without pretending to be someone else. Chapters 00:00) Welcome, and Dave's background in product (02:03) "I've been masking it": faking thinking normal (02:37) The meeting where your idea is ignored, then credited to someone else (03:28) AI as a "spell check for influence" (04:07) The myth that growth requires pretending to be neurotypical (05:15) Why standard leadership advice fails neurodivergent leaders (06:45) Executive presence, signal presence and signal drift (07:57) Is this universal, or specific to neurodivergence?

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