Ep098: Procrastination Time Zones

Speaker A: Mr. Sullivan, uh, Mr. Jackson. And I hope, um, you've not been traveling all over.

Speaker B: I've been traveling the world of Cloudlandia, ah, from my home in Winter Haven, Florida. That is exactly right. And you, I'm assuming the same

Speaker A: uh, vcr.

Speaker B: Oh, I saw that. Yeah, you just emailed me.

Speaker A: Yes, I just, I just emailed it to. Yeah, it's just um, I send it out to our KT members, um, this, uh, in the last couple days. So I really haven't heard much back yet. But uh, um, I'm just thinking about uh, you know, we're of course focused on doing Zoom workshops all during June, July and August, you know, just as, as um, you know, on our scheduled dates when we, we would have had the in person workshops and um, and then we've got five new uh, programs, um, coach workshop programs scheduled for September, October and November which will be pure, pure Zoom. They won't, they won't have an in person, um, component to them. So it'll be uh, new things. So when I was just sitting back and our conversations, I was reflecting all of our conversations and I was saying that quite apart from using Zoom to do this, Zoom to do that and Zoom to do this, I said, well, let's just think about Zoom as a new reality. That's exactly right. And that if we have a uh, supporting program that's about Zoom and everybody's uh, explorations with Zoom and their innovations with Zoom, and we had that just as a component program, um, that was um, you know, just value added for strategic Coach clients. I said it might be very, very interesting to see, um, adding this Cloudlandia component, um, yes to something. And I, I'm using Zoom here as a general word, but it's really cloud landing.

Speaker B: I like it. I mean, you know this. I've had that same conversation um, with Joe Polish, ah, about you know, you and I talked about this idea that what's happening right now with Zoom is that everybody is adapting it to what the old was, right? As a, as a virtual replacement for the old. So it's, we were doing meetings, but now we're doing virtual meetings or virtual summits or whatever. Um, and it really, you know, has struck me in the last little while observing it that there's so many things that actually Zoom is, you know, better suited for. And now we can start thinking about using the capabilities, um, of Zoom, ah, independently of what it was, you know, not, not looking at it to replace something, but embracing truly what it is and this kind of thing, like what you're talking about allows you to have and create a two or three hour experience that everybody can come in and have a complete thing, um, about it that you wouldn't, you wouldn't have somebody fly to Chicago or fly to Toronto to come for a two hour, um, a two hour thing kind of.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I get the old point. I get the point. Uh, I get the point.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: I mean, and I find myself still doing that. I still keep thinking in terms of geography when the real issue is time zone.

Speaker B: Right. It reminded me of the, uh, you've heard the old story of the, the you know, the uh, young mother asking, uh, her or daughter asking her mother, why do you cut the ends off of the, the roast, the pot roast. And she said, I don't know, let me ask my mother. So she asked her mother, why do you cut the ends off the pot? I don't know. My mother always did it. That's how she taught me. And then she asked her mother and says, well, when we married our pot roast, our uh, pot was too small, so we had to cut the ends off to fit the roast. And that's kind of the thing. It's adapting what you have to the uh, the tool. And I think it's going the other way, trying to uh, fit, fit a one day workshop into a, uh, you know, a more a container that would be suitable for something else.

Speaker A: Mm, yeah. Uh, yeah, I mean, uh, you know, and it's kind of, um, you know, um, I can kind of understand, you know, why we do that.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Uh, uh, you know, because you, you have to start with what you're used to before you can fit on what you're not used to. You know, there has to be, uh, a foundation. And uh, I was thinking about this, just putting a number of things together, um, over the last couple weeks and I've been reading the Peter Zion book, um, um, just on my fourth reading of the Peter Zion, the Disunited nations. Okay. So all of us have essentially grown up in a world called the United nations. Okay? The United Nations. And there's actually an organization, uh, which Canada was just denied, um, participation on the Security Council. And so, um, our Prime Minister, uh, his goal has been that Canada should be on, um, the Security Council. So there's five permanent members of the Security Council, which is kind of odd when you think about it. There's five countries who are permanently on this, and that would be the United States, Great Britain, France, um, Russia and China. Okay. Because Those were the five allies against the Germans and the Japanese. In 1945. But we're still being more or less controlled in this organization by what was true in 1945. Okay. So it's, you know, 75 years later. And uh, but the other thing is that, um, Canada doesn't do very much, you know, as a country, anything related to the United Nations. Uh, I think we had 30 soldiers now that are somewhere. Yeah, somewhere, you know, and, um, you couldn't even really have a first class marching band with 30 soldiers. You know what I mean?

Speaker B: Oh, Dan. I heard a comedian there, uh, was a comedian talking about Canada, you know, our friendly neighbors to the north. And so they said, yeah, uh, yeah, let's face it, we could. Our Salvation army could kick their ass.

Speaker A: Well, yeah, and I, I've heard some good Salvation army bands, you know, really good. But they, you know, this isn't their main focus. They actually do, you know, they do. They have day jobs in the Salvation army. Anyway. But, uh, anyway. But it just seems to me that this is holding on to old things. You know, there's. Yeah, there's.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And that, uh, probably the United nations is due for it. But you know, if you looked at the label on the package of the United nations, probably the expiry date probably ended around 1990. 1991. End of it.

Speaker B: Along with the wall. When the wall came down.

Speaker A: Yeah, with the wall. Well, probably when the wall came down that, uh, you know, but, uh, you know, there's jobs there, there's budgets there. Um, you know, there's habits that legacy. Yeah, let's take it to the. Let's take it to the United Nations. And I said, um, yeah, that'd be fun. There's some nice restaurants around there. You know, we could take in a few shows. Um, yeah, yeah, I've never, you know, I've never been to the top of the Empire State Building. I think when I'm there, I'll go to the. But it's, it's for what surrounds the institution. It's not for the institution itself, which is, um. I can't. I don't really, really know what they do, to be honest. But I brought up, uh, a thought that will pull all this together. I said, if we, for a moment, not think of Zoom, I'll use Zoom particularly as a communication system, but it's actually a transportation system. You and I just got transported at 9 o'. Clock. At, uh, 11 o' clock on the dot. You and I got transported to a something else place. It's not in the beaches in Toronto. It's not in Winter Haven, Florida. The two of us just instantly transported to another place.

Speaker B: Mm mhm.

Speaker A: And um, I was reading a story about how the railroads, um, uh, specifically Union Pacific and Southern Pacific made all their money. They were given a land grant of a certain amount of land on each side of the tracks that would be permanently theirs if they just went hell bent, got the railroad across to Los Angeles and San Francisco and that as, uh, life went on, you know, decades and a full century, that the real value of those railroads was the land on either side of the tracks.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: So I'm taking that Zoom as a transportation system. But what's really interesting, what's happening in the territory next to the tracks.

Speaker B: Wow, that's an interesting thought. So what is your, what's your observation?

Speaker A: Well, first of all, to be conscious that there is territory next to the tracks.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Like, uh, yeah, think about it. And I said this is actually a, you know, for a lot of people thinking of it, not as. Because communication systems are kind of nebulous, you know.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: We don't actually experience communication systems, you know, I mean, uh, really, I mean, uh, uh, but transportation systems we have a total grasp of, you know. And I said and there's territory. There's virtual territory. Now there's a thing you and I can call it, and it's part of Cloudland Day. We say there is virtual real estate.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: And you, and you're the, you're the expert on real estate. And um, you know that you actually did something with real estate that I'd never heard of anyone else doing. Um, except maybe franchise organizations or franchise, you know, they grant territory, but they didn't really. You did something very, very different with the real estate, actual real estate. You created a growth strategy within a neighborhood, let's say the beaches in Toront. And you said if you started off as a first aid real estate agent, if you thought about it, um, seriously, and you thought long range, you could literally spend the rest of your real estate uh, salesperson life inside the geographic territory of the beaches. And in some cases you would have made five or six sales to the same couple or the same individual.

Speaker B: That's right. Yes. And this, all the systems around, and

Speaker A: you were selling virtual, you were selling virtual territory, but you were selling, uh, a certain kind of virtual knowledge about the virtual territory. It wasn't just the territory, because anybody can say here, this is your territory.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: You gave them a growth strategy. Uh, uh, and it involved them knowing a great deal about the future aspirations, um, of their, um, real estate customers.

Speaker B: Yes. Yeah. And realizing that there's m. Many um, territories, if you want to call it that, many of those kind of adjacencies that uh. It's very much like the franchise model.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And now you're thinking what. I do think that same. If you kind of think about Cloudlandy, uh, being infinite in terms of its, uh, availability. It's. Yeah. The real estate, it's uh. Yeah. Boy, it's nothing. I mean, it's just so amazing to think about just the possibilities within that one, um. That one thought. You know, really, you can build anything. Mhm. But you now we don't actually.

Speaker A: Yeah, you can actually visualize it. And you know, I have a preference for things that can be visualized. And you know, let's say you have a big sheet of paper and you say this is, um. This is the. I'll use Zoom. This is the Zoom transportation system. This is where it is. And if all you have to do is plug into it and you can get anywhere else in the presume, um territory instantaneously, instantly.

Speaker B: That's the greatest thing.

Speaker A: Yeah, instantaneously. It's instantaneous. You know, there was always in Star Trek and other science fiction movies, the whole notion of teleportation.

Speaker B: You're right.

Speaker A: We are, we are. We are being teleported. You know. We are being teleported. Yeah. And the best part of us is being teleported. Teleported, you know, our thinking. The thinking part of our, you know, of ourselves.

Speaker B: So, uh, we just had one, uh. It's not often, Dan, that I hear something and. Or listen to a, um, um, interview that is. That just bends my mind. And I've heard this guy showed up on my radar. Hoffman, I think is the guy's last, um, name. But he is a mathematician, um, you know, physicist, I guess that is talking about math. Creating mathematical equations for consciousness, like what it. Describing what that is. Right. And the m. Visual that he gave of it is that the uh, um. What we experience as reality to things you can see and touch and all that stuff is really a, um, representation of it, of what we're really seeing, that we've evolved to uh, experience. Right. And in this iteration, if he talks about that, you know, evolution as the uh, survival of the fittest kind of thing. Natural selection is how we've gotten to this point that we have, you know, edited out all the things to give us the best representation that helps us survive as a species going forward. And that the things that 1. The concept that he had that was really interesting is they Run simulations on these kinds of um. On things and this game, exact game theory, on the way that we're um. Adapting the winning game that we're playing as humans right now is the social cooperation game. And that, that we're better together than individually kind of thing. That, that then we as a society that's working out for us and that our um. We're developing the things that are. If it's survival of the fittest, that we pursue the activities that have the highest uh. What he called fitness payoff.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: To evolve your fitness to continue and evolve as uh, ah, species. And I thought about, you know, it's interesting because as entrepreneurs or as um. Things that we're in that same situation. Right. We're trying to evolve and uh. Progress and how we spend our time um, is in the activities that have the highest payoff for us. Right. And that the uh, the whenever they run the simulation one uh games, the ones that are able to mask out all of the other stuff that's not the fitness payoff. They're the ones that have the uh. They always rise to the uh, to the top. And I thought man, that's really interesting in terms of we're. We're distracted by so much stuff. Mhm. When the real fitness payoff is the uh, you know, is the uh. The things that can have the biggest impact like focusing on our unique abilities. Right.

Speaker A: Yeah. It's kind of like um. I don't have to outrun there.

Speaker B: That's exactly right. Outrun me.

Speaker A: Ah, there's an offshoot of that. M. When you uh, go swimming and shark infested waters, you only need two things. A knife and a buddy.

Speaker B: A knife and a buddy. Oh my goodness. That's dark.

Speaker A: Yeah, uh, uh. Yeah, I mean uh, uh. Advantage is never absolute. Advantage is always relative, you know. Yes. It's present, it's present and it's relative. And it's usually sufficiently uh, short term that short term will make a difference. And you know I saw a quote, I think it was Napoleon and somebody asked him the difference between a great general, a uh, great general and a um. Bad general. And he said about 10 minutes.

Speaker B: What did he mean by that?

Speaker A: Well, it's just that the decisions that decide to battle are 30, 30 seconds. And he said over the course of a lifetime they probably add up to about 10 minutes. Yeah, yeah, that a decision. And um. No, I was just thinking about um, you know, just missing the train by 30 seconds. But um, who is on the train, you know, had a relative advantage and now the Advantage keeps getting bigger because it's proceeding and you've been left behind and you've been left out. And um. So, um, Why are we noticing this stuff and why are we talking about it? This is an interesting, um, thing. And I think because both of us, um, have developed over the last three years a positive attitude towards procrastination and that others who haven't done this are caught up a lot with the distractions of feeling badly about themselves and everything because of procrastination. But we've developed a positive attitude. So none of that energy that used to go, um, to isolated suffering is being spent that way. It's all being devoted to, um, um. What else can we have happen where we don't have to. Where we. We don't have to happen? Let's create. Zoom. Let's create. Zoom. Zoom.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yes. Let's. Let's create a distinction between Cloudlandia, uh, and the mainland. Hey, that's what we can do. That's what we can do.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yeah. So it's a relative advantage. And, uh.

Speaker B: Um.

Speaker A: You know, it's very, very interesting to me because, um, I've been exploring this envy concept, you know, for quite a long time now. Uh, and this book I continue to read chapter by chapter and looking at it, but it's the, um, fundamental. I thought that all things turn on. Is it inequality or is it inequality? That's the thing that I come down to. Inequality means that there's massive amount of unfairness, and unequality means there's massive amount of uniqueness. So it's the difference between uniqueness and unfairness. And emotionally you're going to be committed to one side of that equation or another because you only have so much time and you only have so much, um, you know, attention that you can devote to something. And I'm noticing during, uh, this period when all of a sudden a whole segment of the marketplace has suddenly switched to a new capability. Full force. Full force. Just like that. Did it very, very quickly where a great number of individuals and groups and organizations haven't done that yet.

Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's so. Ah. Yeah. I'm just so excited to be here right now in this. In this transition. I mean, it's so, um. Yeah. Such amazing times. I mean, it's really. You know, I think I mentioned to you, I was looking in my journal from. From 1998, and uh, I. What. I often like, use a question to. To start my journaling process, but the question was, you know, what. What am I going to do? About the Internet was the thing because it was starting to feel like it's a real thing now because I was starting to experiment with it. And uh, and you know, then I listened at the time, stop your divorce and living in Winter Haven, which is the concept that you were uh, talking about at the beginning of the call, uh, were the two things that were the very beginning of my entry into the Internet. And they both, you know, went on and made millions of dollars and, and um, you know, by being right there. And I feel like now we're at. I could easily and often do have the conversation of what are you going to do about Cloudlandia? That's really the, the, that is, I think the opportunity that's going to eclipse what the Internet was. Uh, you know, it's even bigger than that. Bigger than just the uh, Internet.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean it's almost like uh, it's entirely new territory for pioneering, you know. Uh, yeah, it's, it's my map of the US in the 16, you know, 1620. We have a foothold on the Atlantic coast, you know.

Speaker B: Yes.

Speaker A: Right. And there's a, there's a great deal we don't know about, uh, you know, um, what lies um, beyond the next hundred yards or the next mile.

Speaker B: There's, you know, that's what's amazing is I don't even think we've, we've made it past New England yet in the, the advance.

Speaker A: Oh, no, no. You know, yeah, yeah. And uh, you know that it was very, very interesting the all the North American, uh, exploration. You know, what you now consider, uh, the United States and Canada, you know, um, um. Because they were not differentiated, you know, I mean, uh, I always say that Canada wasn't created until 1776, um, that uh, on 1776 two countries came into existence. One was the United States and the other one was Canada. And by that I mean that uh, if you were a British, you know, kind of a British born citizen or your parents had been British born, you considered yourself British. But on uh, that day you had to make a decision. Uh, am I committed to growing, uh, being part of a new country that's separate for Britain or staying at um, the North American part that is still attached to Britain. And so it's actually the creation of two, two countries. And um. Yeah, but it's very, very interesting because they had definitely, uh, a feeling of that they were being British. You know, they were, they're being a British and we have a feeling that we're mainland.

Speaker B: Yes. I think that's True, Absolutely.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Especially um, you know, mainlanders born, you know, before 1980, you know.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: We knew the world as adults before the uh. When it was only mainland.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: Amazing. I was, I was watching on um, YouTube yesterday, I came across a video that was a colorized ah and um, frame, uh, you know, speed matched video, um, of a walk down or a ride down Market, um street in San Francisco in 1906. And it was, you know, somebody had a camp, a movie camera and they were um, on a trolley, um, and they ran the camera and we're just driving the. Showing the journey all the way up. And I'd seen that picture, I'd seen it before, the black and white version, but it was, you know, shaky and sped up the timing stuff. But somebody took the time to um, balance it to 60 frames per second and colorize it. So it feels like, you know, you're, you're going uh. Like it's real. You know, it feels like what we would. What we would. What you would have experienced if you were there. And I was always, I'm always amazed when I see, you know, color, colorized photos I've seen of you know, from the 1800s and stuff and you realize how like real these people look. Because typically our view into the past has been grainy and black and white and uh, you know. Yeah, muted tones kind of thing. But to see it, you know, colorizes to what they would really look like is well, it's like pretty amazing.

Speaker A: Peter Jack, Peter Jackson film on the first World War, um, that came out um, about a year ago. And what he discovered is that the. I think it was the war museum or the British um, Broadcasting Corporation just had hundreds and hundreds of hours, um, black and white, black and white film that was ah, you know, soundless because they hadn't created sound at that time. That. And he took it and he starts off with it in black and white and then scene by scene that starts in black and white and then it completely colorizes and you know, latest, latest techniques can colorize and slowed down to normal pace.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: You know, just the way you do that. But not only that, but they would zero in on um, the soldiers talking and they got lip readers to actually um, identify what each individual was talking about. When they got act, then they got actors to actually say that same thing. And um, look, you know, you come away from it and say, yeah, they were the same. They were the same as we are. They're just, you know, bunch of. They don't really know why they're doing what they're doing and.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Actually, they actually have kind of an understanding that the Germans are kind of. Most of the German troops are in the same situation, uh, as they are. And uh, uh, they've got, um, German prisoners and they're joking with the German prisoners. You know, they're joking with them and they're taking their hats off and putting on the German. They're taking the Germans hat and putting on them and everything. And, um, you begin to realize. And, uh, I remember the first time they showed films of, uh, the Germans in the Second World War. These would be like the Nuremberg rallies, but they actually had color photography. It's just that nobody was, um, used to color photography. So they didn't really show these in the, um, you know, in the movie theaters where they would have shown them and everything. I was sure. Black and white. And I said, you know, I, I. And I remember I had this thing. No, no, no, uh, World War II did not happen in color. World War II happened in black and white, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah, right.

Speaker A: I had this instinctive. I said, no, no, no, no, no, please, please. You know.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Uh, yeah, it was a bunch of Nazis, you know, uh, Hitler and Goebbels and that bunch. And they're, they're around and they're in full color and everything. I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Sorry. It makes them look like, Okay, I said, I want the black and white. Makes them look more evil.

Speaker B: Yeah, right. Oh man, it's so true. Yeah, it's so true. And now, you know, this is the thing with the history looking, you know, back to this time now in a hundred years is everything's gonna be in, you know, HD and so much documented stuff. I mean, you know, the window on to everything now is just everything's recorded.

Speaker A: Well, the history, the history is a lot longer too. Um, yeah, you know, our history. And I was thinking about that with present day, uh, like, uh, singers, you know, if you take a present day singer, you know, you know, Taylor, Taylor, uh, Swift or, you know, Beyonce or. Yeah, I said, um, back in the 50s, they just had to compete with the other people who were current with them. But now they have to compete with 60, 60 years of singers, you know.

Speaker B: Right. Yeah, that's true. Right. Because back coming up, the people who were the first recording artists, they uh, were, you know, competing with the legacy or the legend of the people who came before them. But there was no evidence of them m. Nothing competing against. So they were the ones, they became the, the uh, definitive. Right?

Speaker A: That's true. Yeah. And it's really, uh, interesting because I, I have Pandora. Uh, and uh, you know, they, they. You can uh, zero in. You know, you can go into a particular artist and you go in, get biography of the artist and everything else. And it was just, uh, Ella Fitzgerald, you know, 40, 50, probably a 7, 60 year career, you know, pretty, pretty much at the top right from the beginning, on top all the way through. And uh, I said, yeah, I don't really know anything about her. So I went back and read her history and she has kind of like a really, really tough, you know, childhood.

Speaker B: And I didn't know that kind of.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just not a good, good, you know, by our standards. But that her mother, uh, uh, got. She had 78 RPM records. And there was one singer that she just got transfixed, fixed by, uh, by the name of Connie Boswell. And I said, Connie Boswell? I've never heard of Connie Boswell. So then I go to Wikipedia and there's a big section on Connie Boswell.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: And then I, then I go to, um, to um, YouTube and I said, any, um, videos, you know, are there any videos of Connie Boswell? Yeah, there's lots, lots of videos of Connie Boswell. You know, she was a big bang. She was like, uh, she was considered the first, um, kind of uniquely star female singer. And she was white. She was white. She wasn't, you know, she wasn't African American. She was black. Right. Uh, and she had a particular voice and she had a particular cadence. And you could, you know, when I listen to Ella Fitzgerald, you know, I can see things she might have picked up from her, you know, like, I mean, you're making it up, but everything like that. And like this, they were filming this woman in the 1930s. So this is 90 years ago. Uh, you know, 90, 90 years ago. And I said, so that, that visible record, the captured record, um, of high performing people in all fields gets deeper and deeper as we go into the future.

Speaker B: Yes, yes. Because so much, uh. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Everything. I just think, you know, when you look at it now, um, Are you recording all these zoom. Um, um, workshops that you're doing?

Speaker A: Yeah, uh, everything. Recorded. Everything.

Speaker B: Yeah. So you just think that, yeah, we've used.

Speaker A: Because I was first into the pool, ah, for about two or three weeks and I was doing the two hour sessions and then we had the other coaches that were, you know, uh, we wanted the other coaches to get on board. And so the. But they Used mine and how we did it now we structured it now I handled things and everything. So that was sort of the teaching model for their first month of actually doing it.

Speaker B: They would. Yes.

Speaker A: And um. And it was the two hour ones that gave us the structure for the six hour ones, which I've now done eight. I'm not done eight six hour workshops, you know. And uh. And I've kind of got it down where I, I'm not worried about the structure or anything else. And you know, I'm just paying attention to what's happening, you know, what people are thinking. And I'm getting. I notice I'm getting funnier, you know. And uh.

Speaker B: That's so funny.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And I'm picking on people, you know. I'm starting to pick on people, you know.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: What do you.

Speaker B: I love it.

Speaker A: What are you doing now? Yeah, yeah. Then I asked about their back backgrounds and we had four people who showed up with the exact same, um, zoom background. You know, you can put various zoom backgrounds.

Speaker B: Yeah, right.

Speaker A: I said there's three other coach people on that beach. Have you seen the other three people?

Speaker B: They're not. Yeah, you're not social distancing. Wait a second.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: Oh, that's so funny. Well, I mean, it's just so, um. I'm excited, Dan. So much, um, so much opportunity. But you know, the interesting thing, what I did have an awareness of when um, you were talking about the. The um, VR headset that were the lens that we're looking through reality at. When I go back to that uh, interview with um, that Hoffman gentleman that, you know, you say it's interest that that's. We've evolved to see those things as a good handy representation of reality in much. In the way that we see uh, windows on our desktop kind of thing as a representation of reality, of what's actually going on. It's like. But it's not the actual thing. If you take a file on your uh, on your MacBook and you drag it to the trash can, you're not physically dragging it to the trash can. That's a representation of what's happening and. But it's also masking what's actually going on behind the scenes with all the ones and the zeros and uh, the uh, things. And it was funny to me. The parallel was how you and I have been discussing, uh, as part of, you know, um, what causes the Procrastination is the verb that we're choosing to uh, put beside the activity is, you know, write your book is different than Brainstorm, your book, which is. Everybody's excited about it. But the actual verb, the actual like mechanical thing is really sitting. It's really in the same place.

Speaker A: It's really, uh, you know, it's really

Speaker B: sitting in the chair with your. With your pen or with your, you know, fingers at the keyboard. It's really the same, um. It's the same activity. And all the things that we're doing are, um. Are really the. The um. Entertainment of it, I guess. You know, we're adding the importance of these, uh. Of these things. And it put in perspective for me personally, it put in perspective this sense

Speaker A: of

Speaker B: the seduction of the vastness of opportunities. Like where the fear of missing out or a better opportunity or doing something, what you could be doing often, like what you're saying about, uh, swimming in the ocean, you know, feeling like you missed out on the whole, a lot of it, but realizing out of the water there's. Yeah, exactly that. It's the same thing that a lot of times, um, entrepreneurs that are,

Speaker A: um,

Speaker B: restless within their business are being seduced by the, uh, you know, something better. But really what that is, is that's just a. The intellectual stimulation of it. It's not going to change anything physically about it. Right. It's not. It's the. For me, it would be about different conversations or different ways that my mind think. But it's not like going from sitting in a chair to going out, you know, putting um, roofs or chopping wood or something. I'm not talking about a physical change in what I'm not, uh, looking for.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think one of the things. And this is, uh, you know, um, a very crucial issue as, you know, computers get faster and computers become more, um, integrated with everything. Uh, and it has to do with the word, uh, process or process, you know, uh, process. And there's a statement made that the human brain processes information and computers, uh, process information and they process it faster than we do. And um, you know, and there's this point made, but it's that, uh, there's this attempt in the computer world to establish something the same about what humans do, uh, you know, with their brains and what the computer is doing. And therefore, as we speed up the computers, of course they'll be processing information a lot faster than we will. And I read this article and he said, yeah, but humans don't process information. We transform information. Um, that you and I, in exact moment, uh, uh, you know, being in the same situation and sort of experiencing something, do something totally different with the Input than each other. We both of us begin, uh, taking that information and using it to alter previous experiences and you know, altering our vision of the future and everything else. And there's no processing going on, there's transformation going on. Mhm. Why we like computers is that they actually do process the information.

Speaker B: Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker A: I mean, and if you give the same information to 10 computers, the processing is exactly the same. Give it to ten humans that get. And you're. You've got totally different realities going on. Ten people with the same input. So the input. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was just thinking about that. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker B: No, this is, that's very interesting that when, because what he was talking about with the simulations that, that's there did the um, in the games that they uh, simulation games that they play out, that the ones that are almost immune to all that distraction are the ones that are the um, that survive or evolve or whatever.

Speaker A: Yeah, sure. Yeah. And I think that the um, um. The incredible skill, and I say it among entrepreneurs because that's my, you know, that's my daily business is with entrepreneurs that um. Entrepreneurs have um, an unusual, um, short term adaptability. And what I mean is that they realize that what I do in the next hour could change my life. What I do in the next, uh, eight hours can change my entire quarter. You know. And there's just a sense that what is happening in the moment, um, is really, really crucial. And uh, I think the reason is because of two decisions that entrepreneurs made way back then. You made it, I made it, every entrepreneur made it. And that is we absolved the rest of the world of all responsibility for our financial security and we solved the world and we absolved the world of all responsibility for our opportunities. We said no, no, you don't.

Speaker B: You.

Speaker A: We're not um, we're not holding you. And that, that means that um, I'm taking 100% of responsibility for what's happening in the short term and I can act on it because um, uh, by letting the rest of the world off that it's not responsible for security, it's not responsible for opportunity. It gives me 100% power to do with the next hour, the next eight hours, anything I want to do. And I don't have to ask anyone's permission. Right.

Speaker B: I love that.

Speaker A: Yeah, it really is.

Speaker B: That's the, that's the coolest thing you're saying that. I was thinking about uh, about Chaz and I wonder. I haven't heard anything. I've tried not to Pay attention to the news. Uh, now. But what. Have you heard anything about what's going on in.

Speaker A: Well, I've been following

Speaker B: experiment.

Speaker A: Yeah. I've been mainly reading, um, articles on it, you know, people saying. And, uh. Um. Somebody said it's probably the best remnant that six square block of Seattle has been in the last 50 years, you know, so the best way, it's six blocks by six blocks the area. Six black.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: So 36. 36 blacks and I. But somebody said, you know, it's probably better run than those six blocks were. That those 36 blocks were anytime during the last 30 or 40 years, you know.

Speaker B: Oh, really? So it'd be. It's going well. Is that the.

Speaker A: Well, I don't know. No, I thought they were saying that it was terrible before, and now it's. I got, you know, I mean, it's all over the map and, uh. But they're totally dependent on the outside for donations, you know, like, um, truckers. Truckers, for example, the trucker. Trucking companies, that they won't deliver anything in there because their safety can't be guaranteed. Their safety can't be guaranteed. So I think they're being reminded daily that they can say anything they want, but they're 100% dependent on lies outside of jazz, you know, so.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Yeah. Well, I think they should do it in maybe 10 other cities and then compare notes, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah. I don't wonder. That's the thing, right. When you wonder if you had to. If you had to reset, begin again. Everybody, you know, talks about how unhappy with the current situation, but you wonder, you know, how. How would you, uh. How would you do it differently if you had to start over?

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: End up coming to the same conclusions.

Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, a lot of ways.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Um, if you can still call mom, uh, there's probably isn't completely independent.

Speaker B: Right. Exactly. That's right. Mom, I need you to get me on the unlimited data package.

Speaker A: Come on, Mom. Uh, we're not supposed to get outside food, but if you just come to this particular alleyway, I'll meet you there. And, uh.

Speaker B: Yeah,

Speaker A: put it in it. Put it in a duff. Put it in one of those duffel bags that's got rollers on it, you know, I don't want to carry the thing, you know, so.

Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. That's so funny.

Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker B: So what's going to be, Dan, your. The first couple, um, of new workshop, um, ideas that you have now with this new capability,

Speaker A: it's really worth punching, uh, in for one of the, well, your workshop is within two weeks. The uh, free zone. Um, yeah. So the free zone is really interesting. I've been working, working with Stephen Palter and for the Lodestone, uh, his Lodestone platform. And so far we've got one free uh, zone client who's used it to great effect. And that was David Riling, if you'll remember, he's got the community banks in Minneapolis. Yeah. And so Lodestone is essentially a way of putting an event that you can go national or global. In this case it was national, uh, because was it within the framework of the ppp, the payroll protection, um, you know, thing where the banks would um, distribute federal, ah, money to companies essentially, you know, so this is about, I would say four weeks after the PPE went out. And then there was misunderstanding about what's the terms here, what's the repayment terms, there's forgiveness terms and everything else. And this is a Small Business Administration, you know, the US Federal Small Business Administration. So David had uh, distributed 1500 loans and we were one of them. And uh, we uh, we applied through David's because you could apply through a bank. And we got the money in three days. And bank of America, we were still waiting after four weeks. So. And um, and no, I mean he knows us and we know it shows the value of knowing somebody. And um, um. And um, so he got really excited because he sat in on a couple of uh, Stephen Palter's Zoom calls with doctors around the world about how they're responding to the lockdown for certain specialties, but others were deemed essential and what that was doing to people's thinking. And uh, the White House was plugged into what Stephen was doing. So they had a person who sat in on all them and then to took the discussion findings back to the White House, you know, for their, you know, for their discussions. And uh, so David says, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do an event for everybody. I've given a loan out, so we'll just have a loan, ah, an event. It'll be a one hour Cloudlandia event. And uh, it's on Zoom. And um, um, what you do is that it goes out as a post, it's marketing post. And if you want to be in on this phone call, just register here. And in order to register you got to answer two questions. What about the PPP is keeping you awake at night worried? What about the ppp? What kind of information would you need or not to be worried? Okay. And I Put that out. And then that's analyzed by, um, um, Watson. Actually they use Watson, uh, uh, IBM's, uh, super. And ah, they show these are the three biggest issues that everybody. So they put out to 1500, 1200 said they'd like to come. 800 showed up. But it was interesting. 800 showed up in 800 stayed. Not a person left during the hour. So it was, uh, boring. And uh, and then, uh, the, um, topics then, uh, target what kind of expert you want. They have four experts. They have one from the Small Business Administration, a lawyer, uh, you know, um, and a payroll and a, an accountant and, uh, a banking expert. And David was just the moderator. But meanwhile, what they were paying attention to as the experts talked, um, um, what the chat was, um, you know, and so they had a chat line and they just had thousands of chat comments, continual chat comments. And then that's analyzed and that creates the next topic. So he's doing a series, Series of these. Long story short, that's what for our listeners, that's what Lodestone is. So that other people would talk to Stephen and they said, well, how does the technology work? And of course you're in, uh, you know, you're dead in the water if you're having a description. Well, it's kind of like zoom. I mean, I don't see the difference of a zoom and you're gone. And so Steve and I sat down and said, um, Lodestone is perfect for you if these seven things are true for you.

Speaker B: Oh, there you go.

Speaker A: Uh, uh, and it's seven statements about the person reading it. And it's yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. And Stephen only wants to talk to you if all seven are true.

Speaker B: Okay?

Speaker A: So he doesn't want any talk about technology. And he says, look, I've got a worldwide patent on it. It works.

Speaker B: He says, right.

Speaker A: Best IP firm in Silicon Valley got us a. That missed. It works. And he says, that's all I'm going to tell you. Question is, are you the sort of person that it would work for?

Speaker B: Mmm.

Speaker A: So you switch the conversation. It isn't about Lodestone, it isn't about Stephen. It's about the person who's inquiring. And then we did a writable PDF. I'll send it out to you. I'll send you.

Speaker B: I wonder what, like what kind of things are in that?

Speaker A: No, no, I'll send, I'll send out Stevens, and then I'll send out the writable PDF so that you can, um, do yours. I think you'll be. I mean, you'll take to it like a duck to water.

Speaker B: I mean, I love it.

Speaker A: You'll get it. Yeah, it's. It's, uh. It's kind of like nine. It's like seven. Nine word emails. Yes. And, uh, but the yes. No, it's not, um, 50% there, 60%. It's yes or no. And immediately within, when I revealed it, uh, I just did it on a. And Stephen has been on the, um, um, um, you know, the free zone. The free zone connectors. Uh, there's two this week, there's one tomorrow, and there's one on Wednesday. And, uh. But I'll send it out to you.

Speaker B: Oh, thanks. Tomorrow, I might jump. I jump on. Okay.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think you'll have a great deal to say about it because, I mean, um, my sense is that 25 years of thinking will immediately arrive at the scene when you see what I've done with this. It's just work wonders for Stephen and for. And other people have used it and say, geez, I should be doing this with everything I said. Wherever you would think about doing a mindset scorecard, use this as the right. The mindset scorecard would be behind the scenes, what you would present. And it's called the Perfect Fit.

Speaker B: It's called the Perfect fit tool. Oh, I love it.

Speaker A: Yeah. So I'll send that out to you. And, uh, it's dynamite. I mean, the room. I, uh, mean, Stephen's been on about three of them right now. And, uh, you know, he says what a difference this way of communicating has done. And see, we always make it about ourselves, but it's actually about the other person. You know, it's either yes or no. It's binary. It's either.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: It's a zero, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And, uh, and, uh. So, yeah. And people, uh.

Speaker B: Well, that fits in totally with the always be the buyer too. I mean. Oh, yeah, Mindset, right?

Speaker A: The buyer. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So, uh, you know, I used to do it at trade shows. Well, I got tired of standing, you know, and people come up to me and said, uh, tell me why I should be interested in Strategic Coach. And I thought, oh, blog. I said, I can tell you right now you're not interested in Strategic Coach. So there's nothing I can tell you. And he said, no, no, no, tell me. I said, I have to tell. I have to. You tell. Tell you this is totally not the program for you. I can tell. Right. Right off. Just the way you approach me. It tells me that Strategic Coach is not the program for you. No, no, no. Come on. No, no, no.

Speaker B: I love it. That's the best.

Speaker A: But, you know, I mean, after you've been there for 16 hours on your feet, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: This isn't going anywhere. You know, this.

Speaker B: This is. Right, right.

Speaker A: Uh, this is dead on arrival. Yes. So what. What we.

Speaker B: What.

Speaker A: Where did we push the frontier further today?

Speaker B: Well, I think we've both come to the conclusion that this Zoom opportunities are, um. There's so many unique opportunities that are just because of Zoom. Thinking about it as that instant teleportation device that we can gather people instantly. And thinking about the, um. Um, what we're going to, what that brings, the opportunity to talk about on this, what kind of experiences we're creating there. I mean, I just look at the. I was having this thought about school how, you know, they're giving now a, uh, choice here in Florida that Parents. They're starting to poll parents now, where you may have the choice of either sending your kids back to the physical environment or, uh, having them go through online classes. Um, but it feels like, man, there's so many. Like, education is really gonna win because now you're not just, um, you know, limited to the luck of the draw teacher that you get for sixth grade math, because your school district is this and. And that teacher is the, uh, one. One you've got. There's infinite possibilities, uh, to have, you know, a more, um, you know, overall kind of approach.

Speaker A: Why don't we just have one math teacher and it's Salman Khan. You know, we just use Salmon Khan. He's a good math teacher. It's about eight. Each lesson's about eight minutes. He's patient. Uh, you know, uh, he's got Electric Inc. I mean, it's beautiful ink and that. Um, you know, why don't we have all school children in America taught math by Salman Khan.

Speaker B: Yes. That's what I think. Facilitated by a, uh, you know, then the teachers just get to become facilitators in a way. Right? Somebody hosting the Zoom. Uh, Opportunity. Yeah, there's. I mean, lots of. Lots of opportunity that way.

Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. And, uh, you know, uh, people said, you know, they're missing school. I said, yeah, but who. Uh, I said, yeah, but they're. They're safer. They're safe. They're being safe from what's being told to them in school.

Speaker B: That's true. Exactly.

Speaker A: I said, who has had an opportunity to influence your children for the last three months.

Speaker B: Yes. They're citizens of Cloudlandia.

Speaker A: Yeah. Ah, yeah. It's going to be interesting because somebody wrote a possible article, you know, the thing. Unfund the police. Have you seen that?

Speaker B: Yes. Defund. Yeah.

Speaker A: I said, why don't we, um, unfun college administrators and professors, huh?

Speaker B: Uh-huh.

Speaker A: Seems to me that this is where all these bad ideas come from.

Speaker B: Right.

Speaker A: Police are just caught, you know, the police are just caught in the middle between highly political situations and. Yeah. Uh, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: And, you know, I'm sure there's bad cops, good cops and bad cops, but I got a feeling, uh, it's a tense occupation.

Speaker B: There's something here, Dan. When you start thinking about, uh, you know, when you start looking at demonetization in a way, what we're seeing now in this transition, when you start to see that concerts and big gatherings of stuff, like physical things are being demonetized now that. Going. Yeah. Going to the movies or.

Speaker A: Uh.

Speaker B: Yeah, all.

Speaker A: But there's been a lot of, um. I think there's just been a lot of habits broken, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Habits of paying attention to professional sports, you know.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Having the foggiest idea if that. End of America, you know, the two leads that, uh, are going to, um, probably make it are the National Hockey League and Major League Baseball. Tell me why, uh, there. Most of their players are an American citizens.

Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Interest.

Speaker A: So they don't have any issue about the flag, huh? Uh,

Speaker B: right, right. I get it.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Flag, national anthem. Well, whatever, you know, Whatever, you know. Yeah. It's very, very interesting. Um. Yeah. And, uh, I can see, um, the leagues taking a real hit because they think, you know, people are just sitting there chomping at the bit for them to come back. And I said, I don't know. They've had three or four months of doing something else. Uh, I don't know if they're going to come back.

Speaker B: Right. Yeah, that's, uh. People are, um, experimenting, I guess. The, um. Dana. Dana White is opening with MMA stuff. The, uh, um, Fight island, where they're making these spectacular pay per view things.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, all sorts of neat experiments and everything like that. Yeah.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: I always remember my mother. Uh, she was quarantined. Her family was quarantined in 1918 for the worst. You know, it was a, uh, terrible flu. Killed 50 million worldwide. And. But her household was three months in West Cleveland, and nobody could go in, nobody could come out. You know, they had, uh. And so, uh, I was talking to her it. When she was about 75, I talked to her and, uh. And I said, um, uh, do you remember any changes, uh, that happened? She said, yeah, I do. She says, everybody on the block got a telephone afterwards.

Speaker B: Yeah. Wow.

Speaker A: That changed life. I mean, having a phone changed life, you know. So, yeah, I think, uh, I think lots of unpredictable things are going to happen as a result of this. And people, uh, saying, well, this is very, very clear. This is going to happen. I said, nothing's clear that it's going to happen.

Speaker B: Right, yeah. I'm very excited about it.

Speaker A: Okay. Uh, we did it again. So next week I'm at the cottage and. And I'm just going to take a break from everything.

Speaker B: Nice. I like that.

Speaker A: Yeah. So it'll be two weeks from today if you're okay.

Speaker B: Perfect.

Speaker A: This is good for you.

Speaker B: I will be.

Speaker A: Okay, um,

Speaker B: tomorrow.

Speaker A: Yeah. I'll send the perfect fit over to you and just take a look at it. It's a writable PDF, so you can, you know, you can, you know, you have. Stephen.

Speaker B: My own parameters.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: Okay, we'll do it.

Speaker A: I'll, uh, do this within the next five minutes.

Speaker B: Thanks, Dan. I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker A: Okay, Bye.

Speaker B: Bye.