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DACH April 2026: VC Exits SaaS for Defence & Dual-Use

Security Sutra · 2026-05-01 · 25 min

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

42 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density10 / 20
Originality8 / 20
Guest Caliber5 / 20
Specificity & Evidence13 / 20
Conversational Craft6 / 20

The DACH venture capital market has undergone a structural rotation away from SaaS toward physical infrastructure, defense, space, and sovereign technology - sectors where governments and enterprises have committed procurement budgets. Germany deployed €4.12 billion across nearly 200 rounds through March 2026, with Munich overtaking Berlin (€2.7B vs €2.4B) as the region's funding center, driven by defense tech, robotics, and industrial AI. Key developments include ISA Aerospace's €250M funding round at €2B valuation ahead of critical orbital launch attempts, Pave Space's €40M seed for heavy-lift capabilities, Germany's €7B+ drone procurement framework across Helsing, Stark Defense, and Rheinmetall, and Dash Zero's €110M Series B (€1B valuation) for autonomous production AI. Germany's new CDU-SBD coalition delivered the most aggressive startup policy package in the country's history: WIN doubled to €25B (largest public-private VC commitment in European history), KFW Capital's second €1B fund of funds, €30B future fund extension, and 10 startup factories across 120+ universities. Frankfurt is positioning itself as Europe's tech IPO venue as Bitpanda advances its listing there and climate-tech unicorn Einskomma Fun withdraws from NASDAQ citing tariff concerns. The episode's central thesis: startups winning capital are those with government or institutional procurement budgets and physical-world products, not crowded software markets.

Key takeaways

  • →DACH venture capital has completed a structural rotation from software to physical infrastructure, with money flowing to defense, space, and sovereign technology companies with government procurement contracts.
  • →Munich has overtaken Berlin in venture capital funding (2.7 billion euros vs 2.4 billion euros) driven by defense, robotics, and industrial AI, representing a permanent shift away from Berlin's B2C dominance.
  • →German startups now have a visible pathway from prototype to major procurement contracts, as evidenced by framework agreements exceeding 7 billion euros for drone suppliers Helsing, Stark Defense, and Rheinmetall.
  • →Dash Zero became a German unicorn in under three years by building autonomous operations infrastructure for production AI, exemplifying the shift toward infrastructure over consumer products.
  • →Frankfurt is positioning itself as a viable European tech IPO venue, with Bitpanda choosing it over London and Einscomma shelving its NASDAQ listing due to US tariff concerns, signaling a geographic shift in listings.

In this episode

  1. 1DACH Venture Capital Shift from SaaS to Physical Infrastructure
  2. 2Europe's Space Race: ISA Aerospace and Pave Space Funding Signals
  3. 3Defense Tech Boom: German Drone Procurement and Startup Opportunities
  4. 4Dash Zero German Unicorn and Aggressive German Startup Policy Package
  5. 5Fintech Tokenization and IPO Geography Shift to Frankfurt
  6. 6Lightning Round: Planetary, Peak Quantum and Deep Tech Pipeline
  7. 7Key Predictions and Closing Insights on Procurement-Driven Startup Success

Mentioned

ISA AerospacePave SpaceHelsingStark DefenseRheinmetallDash ZeroMidasBitpandaEinscomma FunPeak QuantumPlanetaryJoe

Guests

Chris Farnbach

Topics in this episode

HelsingBitpandaPave SpaceStark DefenseRheinmetallDash ZeroMidasPlanetaryISA AerospaceEinskommer FunPeak QuantumEinscomma Fun

Questions this episode answers

How much venture capital did Germany deploy in the first quarter of 2026?

Germany deployed €3.19 billion across more than 130 equity rounds through April 2026, representing a 15% year-on-year increase in the broader DACH region, which saw €4.12 billion deployed in nearly 200 rounds through March.

What is ISA Aerospace's current funding round and valuation?

ISA Aerospace, the Munich-based launch company, is in talks to raise €250 million at a €2 billion valuation, making it their largest round to date. They have previously raised over $654 million total, including a €150 million convertible bond from Eldridge Industries.

Which German cities are leading drone procurement contracts for defense?

Germany's drone industrial base includes framework agreements exceeding €7 billion across three suppliers - Helsing (€1.46B), Stark Defense (€2.86B), and Rheinmetall (€2.4B) - all supplying drones for Germany's Lithuania brigade deployment under NATO's eastern flank strengthening.

What policy initiatives has Germany's new CDU-SPD coalition launched for startups?

The coalition doubled the WIN initiative from €12B to €25B (the largest public-private VC commitment in European history), launched KFW Capital's second €1B fund of funds, extended the future fund to €30B total, established 10 startup factories across 120+ universities, and plans 24-hour online company registration.

Why did Einskomma Fun withdraw its NASDAQ IPO listing?

The Hamburg-based climate-tech unicorn shelved its NASDAQ listing citing tariff turmoil and uncertain US government sentiment toward climate technology, potentially delaying the listing until after the 2028 US election.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

10 / 20

The episode is a structured news digest with genuine data aggregation - specific funding figures, policy tracks, procurement totals - but the analytical layer is shallow. Observations like 'capital has moved to the physical world' and 'Munich overtook Berlin' are interesting but lightly interrogated rather than deeply unpacked.

Germany is the only European market where startups have a visible pathway from the prototype to major procurement contracts. That is why defense startup funding has hit $8.7 billion across Europe in 2025. That's 4,43% of all deep tech funding
Munich overtook Berlin in venture capital for the first time. Um, 2.7 billion euros versus 2.4 billion euros, adding up to a very significant number

Originality

8 / 20

The procurement-signal framing ('every winner this cycle has a buyer with a budget line') is a genuinely useful heuristic and somewhat fresh, but the overarching thesis - deep tech beats SaaS, defense is hot - is a widely circulated market narrative by mid-2026. No contrarian or first-principles arguments appear.

The startups winning the cycle are the ones where someone already has has a budget and has a budget plan
The old question was can Germany build startups. The new question is can Germany execute on the startup is has already built

Guest Caliber

5 / 20

There are no guests - only two co-hosts who present as informed ecosystem observers and podcast operators. Neither demonstrates practitioner credentials at scale (founding, investing, or operating a relevant company), and one is departing due to compliance constraints at an unnamed employer, suggesting limited seniority.

I'm in my childhood home in uh, the middle of Germany, Witzenhausen
due to compliance of your current full time job, they may be hearing you before the before summer for the last time here actively with us in startup radio

Specificity & Evidence

13 / 20

The episode earns marks for consistently naming companies, citing specific euro/dollar amounts, and quoting framework agreement sizes. The drone procurement math (Helsing €1.46B + Stark €2.86B + Rheinmetall €2.4B = >€7B) and the DACH funding breakdown are genuinely useful reference data, though sourcing methodology is never mentioned.

companies uh, raised $3.19 billion. So like $3.2 billion across more than 130 equity rounds through April. That' a plus from of 15% year on year
Helsink has a framework of almost 1.5 billion euros, 1.46. Stark has up to 2.86 billion, uh, also almost 2.9 billion euros. And now Rheinmetall has 2.4 billion. That's a lot of money for drone framework. Across all three suppliers exceeding 7 billion billion euros

Conversational Craft

6 / 20

This is effectively a structured newsletter read aloud between two friendly co-hosts, not a probing interview. Chris consistently validates Joe's framing with 'yeah' and brief additions; there is no pushback, no challenging of predictions, and no follow-up questions that force deeper elaboration. Tangents about AI bedtime stories and Chris's departure dilute the already thin dialogue craft.

You, you, you can totally tell we very analytical here
Yeah, and I mean if you look at this Franklin Templeton and Coinbase on the same cap table, that's like a real, that tells you

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Share of words spoken

  • Joehost51%
  • Chris Farnbachguest44%
  • Narrator5%

Most-used words

billion29capital22space21germany17startup16million15euro12euros11tech11chris10defense10munich10infrastructure9april8last8policy8

Episode notes

Jörn "Joe" Menninger tracks a structural rotation in DACH venture capital: money leaving generic SaaS for startups tied to defence, space, industrial AI, procurement, and physical infrastructure. Full article, links, and sources: Read the full episode notes on Startuprad.io Why this matters for cybersecurity: The flight from SaaS into defence and dual-use is a direct signal for security-tech founders and investors - the categories this feed covers are exactly where capital is concentrating.

Full transcript

25 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

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Joe: In Germany that area is over if your startup uh, doesn't touch the physical world. Capital has already moved on. Welcome to Startuprad IO, your podcast and YouTube blog covering the German startup scene with news interviews and live events. This is Startup Rate o. I'm Joe. Joining you from Frankfurt am Main, Germany. With me today, not from New York City is Chris Farnbach. Chris, good to have you here.

Chris Farnbach: Hello. I'm in my childhood home in uh, the middle of Germany, Witzenhausen. So that means we're in the same state in Hesse. And uh, yeah, people who are watching us on, who uh, are actually watching us on YouTube might see some chotchkis from my childhood behind me. Good to be here. Uh, you got a big episode ahead of us.

Joe: Yes we do. Big episode. Our news cut runs from March 23 to April 22, 2026. The production date is of course also April 22. And the thesis for this month is simple. Dach Venture capital has completed a uh, structural rotation from software to physical infrastructure. The money is going to companies that build things governments and enterprises cannot do without. Think defense, space, sovereign technology. Not another SaaS layer, not another marketplace hardware with procurement contracts.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, and we can also really see that the numbers are backing that up. So in Germany for example, we see that um, companies uh, raised $3.19 billion. So like $3.2 billion across more than 130 equity rounds through April. That' a plus from of 15% year on year in the Dach region as a whole. So Deutschland, Austria, Switzerland, uh, GSA as they say in English has uh, were um, $4.12 billion deployed in nearly 200 rounds through March. And uh, Switzerland is forecasted to reach uh, 1.5 billion Swiss franks in the first half. That's also more than a third more than last year. So yeah, there seems to be like a weird kind of optimism in the market. Money is there.

Joe: It is, it is. And I want to add that only the VC funding rounds that have been found. So guys, keep in mind there's a lot of uh, precede seed, even series A funding rounds that are not on those numbers yet. Also, the geography has shifted. As we talked about in the last episode. Munich overtook Berlin in venture capital for the first time. Um, 2.7 billion euros versus 2.4 billion euros, adding up to a very significant number. Oh my God. That's not a blip. The point of this take is that it is a structural realignment driven by defense, robotics and industrial AI, which is more prevalent in Munich than in Berlin. We have three predictions on record for this episode. We could be early, but the direction is pretty clear. Thesis number one, Defense tech and space will produce more billion euro outcomes than SAS within 24 months. Thesis number two, Munich's funding lead over Berlin is permanent. Priorities have shifted away from B2C where Berlin is still dominant.

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Joe: the NASDAQ IPO window for European climate tech is closed until at least 2028. Let us get into it. Our segment number one, Europe's space. Bet I would not have thought I would ever talk about that here, Chris, we start Artemis.

Chris Farnbach: I mean, space is the hottest topic at the moment. Everybody loves space.

Joe: Yeah, exactly. Uh, I do. My sons too. I have to read them space stories at night. By the way, ChatGPT is very good if you tell them how old your kids are, what the topic should be, how long you want to read, it comes and the style of a specific children's book author. And it comes up with an amazing good night story.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, uh, that's how they get you. That's how they get you.

Joe: Anyway, we start with space because this card gave us two significant signals. First, ISA Aerospace. We talked about them quite frequently. The munich based lounge company is in talks to raise 250 million euros at the top 2 billion euro valuation. That is their largest round today. They have raised over US$654 million total, including a uh, 150 million euro convertible bond from Elbridge Industrials from Eldridge Industries last year.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, and also this is something where, uh, the context really matters. Their second orbital launch attempt from Andoya Spaceport. That's in, uh, Norway, scrubbed multiple times in late March. Once because of an unauthorized boat entering the danger zone then because of a pressure tank leak, which is something that sounds really dramatic but it actually happens quite often even at the NASA and SpaceX um, uh, attempts. And um, their first attempt in 2025 ended about 30 seconds after liftoff with the rocket falling into the sea. So yeah we will, we will see how well they're doing. But also here given what we've learned from space startups and space projects in the last couple of years, it's it always these, these steps and improvements are always really incremental from one try to the other, from one attempt to the next.

Joe: For me actually the question is does the next launch um, attempt work? If orbit is achieved, it validates attempt decade of European commercial launch investment. If not, the 250 million round becomes a stress test of investor patience in of course capital intense deep tech. Europe needs a sovereign launch capability and ESA Aerospace is the continent's most capitalized bet.

Chris Farnbach: And right next to it in Switzerland we see uh, our second space signal of this episode. Pave Space P A V E um, that's based in Zurich. They closed a 40 million all in cap because they are paving the way I guess they closed a 40 million dollar seed round led by Visionaries Club and Creandum. They're building the Lyoba L Y O B a heavy lift kick Stage that's a 20 metric ton vehicle that can deliver up to 5 metric tons of payload from low earth orbit to geostationary or even lun trajectories in under a day. That's what they say. They were founded in 2024 by EPFL alumni and they plan a demo launch in October. So it's also an interesting development in that space.

Joe: I think we'll be looking a lot into space in the future. Uh, we already may tell the audience that due to compliance of your current full time job, they may be hearing you before the before summer for the last time here actively with us in startup radio. Very unfortunate. Let's get back to our topics here. A $40 million seat is a mega round by European space standards to dark space signals in just one news cut. The space sovereign narrative is no longer just policy documents. It's real venture capital flowing.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah. Moving on from space to defense.

Joe: Yes, the drone industrial base. Germany's defense budget hits 83 billion euros in 2026. This is a 20 billion euro year on year increase. It's a hell lot of money. Projections reach 162 billion by 2029 including off budget funds. And the drone procurement story is just got a new Chapter.

Chris Farnbach: So, yeah, because on, uh, April 16th, a week ago, the German, uh, Parliament, Bundestag budget committee approved a nearly 300 million euro initial order within a 2.4 billion euro framework agreement for Rheinmetall. Um, so I mean really like a, a supplier in that area that has been around for like decades, probably even centuries to manufacture, uh, Kamikaze. Kamikaze. Kamikaze. Dr. This makes Rheinmetall the third drone supplier for Germany's Lithuania brigade alongside Helsing and Stark Defense. So I mean, and overall, just the fact that we're talking about these companies now, thinking back a couple of years, all of a sudden we talk about developments in defense tech and military so much, it's fascinating for me. I like. Yes, like it's, it's fascinating. Sounds too excited. It's at least like a very visible and interesting shift.

Joe: Yeah, yes, exactly. Let us put the total numbers together here. Chris Helsink has a framework of almost 1.5 billion euros, 1.46. Stark has up to 2.86 billion, uh, also almost 2.9 billion euros. And now Rheinmetall has 2.4 billion. That's a lot of money for drone framework. Across all three suppliers exceeding 7 billion billion euros. Germany is building a really competitive multi vendor drone industrial base. Two startups and one legacy prime that is really extraordinary here.

Chris Farnbach: Now they all shall be used, as I said, in uh, Lithuania, um, as part of strengthening NATO's eastern flank. Germany, uh, wants to send 5,000 or station 5,000 soldiers there. And um, the uni wants to be operational in 2027, so next year. And all those drone systems must pass qualification testing by April 2027. So also there are a lot of things happening still under the influence, of course of the Ukraine war and Russia's actions there, but also, uh, under the influence of the really, um, of the unclear future of NATO, or rather America's role in NATO. So there, Germany can be seen as really stepping up

Joe: the structural point here that we're trying to make. Germany is the only European market where startups have a visible pathway from the prototype to major procurement contracts. That is why defense startup funding has hit $8.7 billion across Europe in 2025. That's 4,43% of all deep tech funding. And Germany is at the center of it, Chris. And now we're talking new unicorns. Huh?

Chris Farnbach: Huh?

Joe: Shouldn't we. Unicorns you, um, dash zero. I do believe that's how it's pronounced. $110 million series B led by Baldaton Capital, valued at 1 billion they built what they call the autonomous nervous system for production AI agents that build do root cause analysis, remedy remediation, deployment, validation and cost optimization. Founded only in 2023. Already 600 paying customers including Solando and Taco Bell headquarters are split between Solingen and New York. I think the this split headquarter with New York is always a pretty good idea, isn't it?

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, obviously. Just as I do. I mean it's interesting, they seem to have a really working use case already. And the thesis at Dash O that or Dash Zero is that observability must evolve from monitoring dashboards to autonomous operations. They have a core product called Asian Zero deploying specialized AI agents across the production stack. And if that works, and if their thesis proves to be correct and the customer attraction suggests it might be, from what we are seeing right now then it's uh, a um. Yeah, this might be a very like some kind of like a default infrastructure layer.

Joe: A German unicorn in under three years from founding. That is quite speed. Um, and it is an infrastructure not consumer. The pattern continues. Policy at scale. Uh, by the way, if you haven't seen it, we just published my interview with Thomas yet Tombeck, undersecretary for startups and digital uh, long term listeners, longtime listeners will remember him from 2021 where he was a digital commissioner. Heading to 10 billion future fund. Right now I think we're including all the segments up to 55 billion in those instruments. But let us get. Sorry, I'm always taking detours here. The policy segment is unusually dense this month. The new CDU SBD coalition has delivered the most aggressive startup policy package in Germany. Admittedly that's not a high yardstick and Chris, let me walk you through it, okay? The WIN initiative, it's something we've talked about under the last cholz government. This was delayed, this didn't get started but it was actually under um. New government doubled from 12 to 25 billion euros. The largest public private venture capital commitment in European history. Again, the largest private public venture capital commitment in European history. KFW Capital launched Vaxtungs von Zwei winning growth fund number two, the second 1 billion euro fund of funds. On April 1st. No joke, the future fund was extended beyond 2030, uh, with a total 30 billion euro commitment.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, and then um, there's also the institutional infrastructure. So money went to 10 startup factories. 10 startup factories were awarded involving more than 120 universities, 114 industry partners. There's plans uh, for a 24 hour online company registration which for German bureaucracy sounds crazy. There's a new digital ministry. Yeah, you got even more. So.

Joe: Yeah, yeah. There are three capital mobilization tracks that are now operating simultaneously. Winto, it's the private public partnership for institutional capital. Vaksumsfarm, two funder funds. Basically KFW Capital will use it to seed new VC funds. So those VCs can have them as anchor investment. Very likely. And then raise private capital. And the startup factories for deep, for the deep tech pipeline. They help students, PhD candidates, PhDs, professors to launch out of universities. And this is structural policy that is not really election cycle signaling.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah. So I mean even if we sum up what we talked about for now, yeah we have like defense procurement, we have the space thing, we have uh, venture capital going up. Uh, now here these tax incentives, infrastructure, uh, being improved. So um, yeah, what we definitely can see, I mean another, it's another question how internationally competitive it is. But what we can see, just looking at Germany itself, this really means, it feels like what is like the most comprehensive startup industrial policy in the country's history. So that's really interesting. One question is execution. What comes out of it? As it is always the case but we can definitely say that things are happening. Segment number five.

Joe: You, you, you can totally tell we very analytical here. On our way with the space thing. Segment number five. Let's talk a little bit about fintech tokenization and the IPO reshuffle. Two fintech signals and one IPO story that ties everything kind of a little bit together for us. First Midas in Berlin, $50 million Series A led by RRE and Crandom. You remember them from the other story with Franklin Templeton and Coinbase Ventures on the cap table. They have powered over 1.4 billion years in tokenized assets insurance and are launching a liquidity layer for instant redemption on tokenized products.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, and I mean if you look at this Franklin Templeton and Coinbase on the same cap table, that's like a real, that tells you that real world asset tokenization is crossing from what used to be like crypto native experimentation to now institutional rails. And here we see, we talked so much about Munich so far, but here we see that really Berlin is becoming an infrastructure hub for this type of tokenized finance in Europe.

Joe: Hm. And then Bitpanda, uh, the Austrian unicorn, we're talking about quite a lot. The Vienna based platform is advancing a, ah, Frankfurt IPO at a 4 to 5 billion euro valuation. Goldman Sach, Citi and Deutsche bank are advising, they choose Frankfurt over London. Explicitly. Explicitly, sorry, citing Weak liquidity on the London Stock Exchange. Lse. If Big Panda succeed, it validates Frankfurt as a viable tech IPO venue.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, especially since. Okay, I now, um, am like the bearer of bad news. On the other side of the Atlantic we see Einskommer Fun 1.5. Um, a company, uh, working in the climate, um, climate change space, which has shelved its nasdaq. NASDAQ listing. Um, it with. They have the seat in Hamburg. It's a Hamburg climate tech unicorn. Even, um, they have 520 million euros in revenue. They. But they were citing tariff turmoil. So I mean, definitely the um, mood in the US at least coming from the government, um, regarding anything climate tech has really shifted. Um, they may delay until after the 2028 US election. You were hinting at it in the beginning already that this might be the case for several climate companies. Um, it's the first major German IPO casualty of uh, transatlantic trade friction.

Joe: Mhm. So you have Bitpanda going to Frankfurt eins comma kind of running away from nasdaq. The total IPO geography is shifting in real time as we're looking at it. Chris, our prediction. Frankfurt becomes the default European tech listing venue within let's say 18 months.

Chris Farnbach: Your prediction?

Joe: My prediction. Let's do a little lightning round. Planetary in Switzerland. 23 million euros for a full stack Fermentation startup building bioeconomy infrastructure led by Radical Capital. Meaning Radical Capital but spelled with a K, uh, in the Radical and ertical Ventures announced April 20.

Chris Farnbach: But you know, it's either it should be Radical Capital or it should be Radical Capital. But they decided for Radical Capital in the right. Uh, these are the things I want to be part of those meetings so I can be like the grumpy German and be like. Actually. So anyway, peak Quantum in Munich 2.2 million euro precede for fault resistant superconducting quantum chips. It's a spin off of uh, tum, the Technical University of Munich, uh, selected to operate the EU Chips act supreme pilot line. They have a total funding of 5 million euros. They announced it in April 14 early. But Munich deep tech pipeline here keeps producing.

Joe: Yes, uh, guys, let us close here with the big picture. Three predictions on record. One, defense and space will out produce SaaS in billion euro outcomes within 24 months. Yes, Chris, I know my prediction. Two, Munich lead over Munich's lead over Berlin is permanent. Three, the NASDAQ window is closed. Frankfurt takes over.

Chris Farnbach: Yeah, and so we also see that there's a connecting thread which is procurement. So every major signal this month has A buyer on the other side. Governments are buying drones, airlines are booking launch slots, pension funds are buying tokenized yield. And so um, like the startups winning the cycle are the ones where someone already has has a budget and has a budget plan good for them.

Joe: Yeah, that is the tory line. If your customers have. If your customer has a procurement budget and your product touches the physical world. Dark cattle markets have never been more receptive. If you're building another software layer for crowded market, the funding environment just got harder.

Chris Farnbach: And also what we talked about, the policy infrastructure in Germany is finally catching up. 25 billion euro wind capital, a second fund of funds, three parallel capital tracks running simultaneously. And we can really say that Germany has never deployed this much capital infrastructure for startups.

Joe: Um, again, not a very high bar but the, the numbers 55 million is totally staggering. Let's do a little bit last word for me. The old question was can Germany build startups. The new question is can Germany execute on the startup is has already built the capitalist there, the procurement is there, the policy there. Now it is about delivery.

Chris Farnbach: Yes.

Joe: Chop chop people does have a budget line. You are not building a startup, you're building a story. Guys, thank you very much. And as we said this the next maybe the last startup used for Chris and after 11 years he joined me for the Startup News in May 2015. Chris, can you believe it?

Chris Farnbach: Yes, yes. No, it feels. Doesn't feel this long.

Joe: Uh, yeah, I know.

Chris Farnbach: I have good friends that I know. Less longer. That sounded horrible, but yes. Oh yeah, 11 years, that's it. Yeah.

Joe: Uh, um, and you'll hopefully join us for the main use again and then maybe the news will only be me. You. We will see guys for a final goodbye.

Chris Farnbach: We will see if as. But uh, all of it. Nothing is permanent, at least for now.

Joe: Yeah, but you are not leaving startup radio. You're only dropping the active mic.

Chris Farnbach: I will be in the background. I will be in the background for like as part of the company as I was before, but just not hosting anymore.

Joe: Guys, thank you very much. Was a pleasure.

Chris Farnbach: Thank you. Bye bye.

Joe: That's all folks. Find more news, streams, events and interviews@www.startuprad.IO. remember M. Sharing is caring.

Narrator: It.

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