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Scaling Laws

Hosted by Lawfare & University of Texas Law School

Listed under Government, News › Politics, News › Tech News

Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host hearings on AI and draft new AI bills, and the ones that are top of mind for tech-savvy law and policy students.

260 episodes · publishes weekly · latest 2026-11-03 · ~49 min/episode

Rank

#547

Substance

77.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-09
Updated monthly

General rank

#50 of 294

Across the index

#547 of 6219

Substance

Top 9%

outscores 91% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Scaling Laws ranks #547 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 77.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and conversational craft. Rob Slone is a genuine senior practitioner at a 132-year-old assurance institution with concrete operational responsibility; Bri leads a relevant but brand-new org, so her track record on this specific effort is nascent.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

14.0 / 20

A handful of genuinely useful concepts (the deployer accountability gap, assurance as an adoption expediter rather than a brake, the three AI failure modes) but they're diluted by lengthy windups, acronym jokes, and repeated restatements of 'aligning the pipes.'

“you can outsource a task to AI, but you can't outsource the accountability”

“single AI system or single AI agent drifting, hallucinating”

Originality

15.0 / 20

The framing of deployers as the neglected middle and the UL electricity-safety analogy applied to AI is moderately fresh, but the core ideas (third-party assurance, consensus standards) are established concepts transplanted rather than novel first-principles thinking.

“from the beginning, uh, from the very foundation we were wired for safety”

“AI adds another layer to why we can't just stop at the Frontier”

Guest Caliber

17.0 / 20

Rob Slone is a genuine senior practitioner at a 132-year-old assurance institution with concrete operational responsibility; Bri leads a relevant but brand-new org, so her track record on this specific effort is nascent.

“Dr. Rob Sloan, senior Vice President, Chief Scientist and Innovation Officer at UL Solutions”

“We've already had customers sign up to certify in one case a battery management system”

Specificity & Evidence

15.0 / 20

Some concrete anchors (UL 3115, 200 parameters, 15,000 employees, 1893 founding, real certifications, named Denver Health/Mount Sinai voices) but light on hard outcome data, metrics, or dollar figures beyond hand-waved estimates.

“what we call UL3115 and that's aimed at the safety of AI based products”

“a lot of thought went into 200 different parameters”

Conversational Craft

16.0 / 20

The host does pose several pointed challenges (why not just burden Frontier labs, how to prevent a race to the bottom, why assurance suits non-deterministic AI) but wraps them in excessive verbosity and lets some answers pass without hard follow-up.

“why is any assurance provider able to provide people with the level of certainty they need”

“How do you avoid a sort of capture scenario”

Standout episodes

  • Building AI Assurance Ecosystem with Bri Treece (PACT AI) and Dr. Rob Slone (UL Solutions)

    2026-09-01

    77

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 30 tracked in total.

  • Building AI Assurance Ecosystem with Bri Treece (PACT AI) and Dr. Rob Slone (UL Solutions)

    2026-09-01 · 50 min

    77 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Scaling Laws's substance score?
Scaling Laws scores 77.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #547 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 91% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #50 of 294 in General. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Scaling Laws worth listening to?
Yes - Scaling Laws outscores 91% of the B2B general podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a general operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Scaling Laws?
Scaling Laws is hosted by Lawfare & University of Texas Law School.
How often does Scaling Laws publish?
Scaling Laws publishes weekly, has 260 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-11-03.
Which Scaling Laws episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Building AI Assurance Ecosystem with Bri Treece (PACT AI) and Dr. Rob Slone (UL Solutions)" (77/100) - a good place to start.

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Bri TreeceDr. Rob Slone

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