Why I Never Stopped Running

Speaker A: My friends used to text and say, hey, are you going to run today? Now it's shifted to, did you run or when are you going to run today?

Speaker B: Very recently, you ran the Boston Marathon. It's like the super bowl for runners doing the Boston Marathon.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Tell us about it.

Speaker A: I'm not naturally a, uh, super gifted athlete. Best I can do is just to not trip, hurt myself that way. I think I missed the cutoff that year by like 30 seconds or something. Which just haunts you for so long.

Speaker B: And how'd you feel at the end?

Speaker A: Now what am I going to do?

Speaker B: Almost 10 years before you decided to go for it again, have you ever done anything every day for four years in a row. I mean, think about it. Outside of probably sleep and maybe brushing your teeth, is there anything you've done every day for multiple years in a row? Today's guest on the Lean More podcast is Kelly Marshall. She is certainly a runner, but she's also a wife, a daughter, a mom, professional. And today I wanted to sit down with my friend Kelly to talk about her running streak today, as this episode records, it's something about four years running. Four years running. Every day for four years. So every day at least one mile. This morning, as she tells us, 20 miles, Kelly gets up and goes for a run. And you might know if you watch the show, I'm obsessed with the idea of momentum. And so I sat down with Kelly today to ask her, like, how did this become a thing? When did it start? Did you know you were going to do it? When did it become a thing? And how now is there this feeling of inevitability, this momentum is behind her, that every day she will run? I'm convinced until the day that she can't. And so pretty powerful stuff. We break down. You know, how did it start? How do you capture that momentum? What happens when you stop? Because spoiler alert, the streak ended at one point. You'll hear more about that. And then how did this passion for running lead to something much bigger than herself, which you might have heard me talk about. The 437 project. So this is a run across the state of South Dakota. Kelly was there at the ground floor when this idea came to formation. And now four years in, it's a transformational project that's making a huge difference in the lives of South Dakotans and beyond. So that's our episode here with Kelly Marshall. Let's dive right in. Kelly, welcome to the show.

Speaker A: Thanks.

Speaker B: Good to see you.

Speaker A: Good to see you.

Speaker B: Um, so I have to start with an easy one. Have you gone for a run yet today?

Speaker A: I have gone for a run.

Speaker B: Okay. A couple miles. What'd you go?

Speaker A: Um, I actually did 20 miles. I did the bike trail loop, the whole thing today. I like to get 20.

Speaker B: That's. What time were you running this morning?

Speaker A: Oh, I was running by six.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: Which is kind of late for me.

Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, but you can knock out 20 in pretty quickly.

Speaker A: Yeah, it was warm this morning, so it took a little longer. A lot of water stops, but that's okay.

Speaker B: I jumped right into it because I want to talk to you about running today and specifically about the topic of momentum, because I think you have created this, ah, streak that has be. Has really, to me, defines momentum in many ways. And I want to know about how it's sort of defined your own life. So let's start at the beginning. Were you a high school athlete? Were you always a runner?

Speaker A: I was not. I did middle school track, I think, for a year.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: I did cheerleading and gymnastics in high school. So.

Speaker B: Chamberlain.

Speaker A: Right. Did not run. Yep. Grew up in Chamberlain.

Speaker B: And it wasn't until 20. Your 20s, 30s. When did you start running?

Speaker A: Yeah, So I really started running, um, when I met my now husband. He was training for his first marathon. So I was. Yeah, early 20s, um, first job. And in order to try to keep. Keep up with him, I basically had to start running.

Speaker B: Weren't you doing, like, distance or something like that or. I can't remember the story.

Speaker A: Yeah. So, um, we lived. I lived in Lincoln, he lived in Sioux Falls. So we would see each other on the weekends. But when you're training for a marathon, your weekend consists of a good chunk of hours spent running. So I was basically forced to either spend time by myself or try to keep up with him.

Speaker B: Some good zone 2 cardio there. Because you can talk, right?

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: Conversation.

Speaker A: That's the goal. Yeah.

Speaker B: Working out. Okay. So you kind of like, out of necessity become a runner, whether you identified as such or not. And maybe when would you have said that you would became. When would you have called yourself a runner?

Speaker A: Oh, I think. I mean, some days that's just. I still don't call myself a runner. Um, that's not fair. But no, I think shortly that turned into. I decided to run a half marathon. And that, of course, is kind of like a slippery slope. Turned into a couple, and then it was a marathon here and there. So, um, I think it happens for me at least pretty quickly.

Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. And there's almost this identity shift that Happens, I feel like for folks who say. I feel like people do one of two things. They're like, I'm gonna run a 5K or just to check a box, and then I'm never gonna do that again.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: But often it's the latter of like, this will be the first marathon I ever do, never going to do another one, and then they get the bug.

Speaker A: Right, Right.

Speaker B: And. And so you feel like you're that second category.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And what. What's the. Give us the stats. What are we talking about now? How many marathons? Ooh.

Speaker A: Well, I just finished my 14th marathon.

Speaker B: Okay.

Speaker A: Um. Um, I have no idea. Half marathons or other distances. I don't really keep track of those anymore. So I've done, yeah, 14 full marathons. I've done a couple of ultras, several relay style races.

Speaker B: Cool. And the goal, what's the, uh, was it the six global ones?

Speaker A: Yeah. So working on the Abbott Marathon, major six stars. So I have four of those completed, a couple more to go.

Speaker B: And what's left?

Speaker A: So I have Berlin and Tokyo left to go.

Speaker B: Wow. Cool. All right, so those are like the. The break. Well, let's do one more stat. So you have this streak, and that's what we're going to talk about. Um, basically a streak of every day running at least one mile. For how long?

Speaker A: Do you know for? Well, today was day 1,200 something, 50 something.

Speaker B: So we'll call it roughly four years.

Speaker A: Right. I started in. Yep. November, um, of 21. I started the streak.

Speaker B: Okay. Dang.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: All right, so there you have it. Some consistency, which I, uh, admire because I think often when it comes to success and leadership, we are looking for people who come with. We think that it's like some form of luck, some form of, like, superpower skill that, like, they have that we don't have. There's always a lot of reasons why that person has it, and I will never have that. And I just think a big part of it is showing up every day. And so let's talk about that. So you show up every day at least one mile, usually more. Today, 20. Um, so you're still gonna run tomorrow despite being sore or however much you know what you did today? What have you found that this streak has done for you? How do you think it's changed you?

Speaker A: I think it makes me accountable. So if I accomplish nothing else in the day, I want to make sure that I've done that, that I show up, that I show up for myself, that I do what I say. I'm gonna do. Um, so I. I mean, really, some of those days where you feel like, oh, uh, I. Nothing good happened today, or I didn't accomplish anything today, I know I'm going to accomplish that.

Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you're not just a runner. You're, you know, you're a professional, you're a wife, a mom, all the other labels that you claim. So I'm guessing it translates to those aspects of your life as well.

Speaker A: Yeah, I think in general, um, I mean, I'm a fairly disciplined person, so I like to check the boxes. Um, I like to do the things that I say I'm going to do. So it's a matter of prioritizing, too, that if I prioritize my run and myself and my mental and physical health, then that makes me show up better for all of those other roles, too.

Speaker B: Cool. So when I think about momentum, I start by saying you have some sort of potential. And whether you realize it or not, you started because you wanted to run with your now husband, but you clearly show that you are capable of doing hard things. Then you chose a path, which you didn't realize that you were probably on it at first, but became this path of running every day. But then I think we start to have some form of pace, which I call, like, essentially velocity, because then running, you probably got good at running. You became a runner and then became a good runner. And that's when the marathons and other things happen. And then lastly, I say when you have your path and your pace, you go after a prize. So what do you think is, like. Because this is one of those, like, infinite games, like, now you're committed, like, where does it. What's the prize? What's the finish line as a runner, or is there one?

Speaker A: I don't know if there is a finish line. You know, I think about running, like you said, how I want to show up, and I want to set that example. I want to do it for myself, but I want to do it for my kids, too. And I want them to develop those healthy habits. I want to do it for my friends and the rest of my family. And I don't know that there is a finish line. You know, ideally, I. I would keep the running streak as long as I can.

Speaker B: Yeah, I love that idea. So, like, Simon Sinek calls that the infinite game. Right. You're just. Yeah, there is no finish line. Just keep going. And I'm guessing your kids are the point now. They run with you or they have, maybe reluctantly.

Speaker A: Yep.

Speaker B: But.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: So you Feel like that's been modeled or. They've certainly seen their mother commit to this hard task.

Speaker A: Yeah. So this. You know, my boys in particular, super competitive, especially with each other. Both. I know it's a mystery. Uh, my daughter is not much of a runner. Went out for track this year. So it's really fun to see them try something and I think have the confidence that they want to try it and they want to do it.

Speaker B: Yeah. Um, well, I love this idea of, like, modeling first. Right. So, like, you talked about how you've built a community around this passion, one for your family. But two, um, what is the Sioux Falls Women's Run? Right. You have a group or just like a group of. That's not maybe the official group, but.

Speaker A: Yeah. So Sioux Falls Women Run began, um, oh, my goodness. Probably more than 10 years ago at this point. And I was part of that sort of initial group which really just tried to build a women's running community in Sioux Falls which continues to grow. It's fun to see something like that grow. And then you can walk away and it still exists.

Speaker B: Yeah. And then your social group, too, of friends. Um, and then, of course, the 437 project. So I want to talk about that. I've done this. I've talked about it on this show before because I've been lucky enough to participate. You were there, though, when it became just like a kernel of an idea. So talk about the origin of the 437 project.

Speaker A: Yeah. So the 437 project started in 2022 as just sort of this brainchild of Mayor Ten Haken. Um, a few of us in a room talking about sort of runner pipe dreams. Right. Wouldn't it be cool if. And you kind of, like, start building, just like, you end up signing up for your first half marathon in marathon. And it'd be really cool to run across the state. And what do we do and how do we do this? And, you know, it shifted from something where we have a bunch of people in a room and let's just get in some vans and, you know, like, relay style across the state to this massive group and project and much more manpower and logistics than we would have ever imagined.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Um, so that too, you know, it's really cool to see something go from this idea, truly make it come to life and then be able to hand it off and have other people participate. Get excited.

Speaker B: Yeah. And point it toward a cause. Right. So, like, it started with, like, a lot of things. Do what if I. What if we could.

Speaker A: Right.

Speaker B: Do you think we could, um, and so talk about the cause? Cause I know that's close to your heart as well.

Speaker A: Yeah. So the initial goal was always to have it tie to mental and physical health, tie those two together. Um, we were just coming out of COVID and lots of people were, I think, investing maybe more in their physical health because they had the time, but not necessarily linking the two. And the group of us also felt pretty strongly about that. I had, uh, during COVID I personally ran my highest mileage week ever of my whole life, just because I could. And, you know, you have the time and you're going stir crazy anyway, so let's see what we're capable of.

Speaker B: It was emotionally challenging. There was a lot of concern and worry, and going for a run was something you could control.

Speaker A: Yeah. So I think it was really just being able to talk about that on a larger scale, bigger, uh, platform, you know, to say all of us understand that connection and we do it in probably one way or another, and it's okay. And everybody else should feel like it's okay, too.

Speaker B: Yeah. So you guys all experienced this. Mayor Paul saw it firsthand from the city standpoint in terms of mental health and suicide. And so it seemed like a good match, this physical, mental match. Um, how have you seen. So you were there at the beginning. First year, I got to run the second and third year. This year, it'll be the fourth year. So now we're talking 40 plus runners. The money goes up every year. In terms of dollars raised. Since you've been there from the beginning, how have you seen this thing grow and what it's become?

Speaker A: I think just the recognition. We've really tried to build this brand and tie it back to the mental health piece. And for me, walking into Hy Vee one day and seeing somebody that I don't know wearing a 437 Project hat, and you realize it's kind of become something bigger than just you at this point.

Speaker B: Yeah, I love that.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: That to me is momentum. Right. So it's like, what if we could do this was the potential. And then we decided we're going to go across the state was our path. And then by doing it over and over and keep showing up, you create pace. And now this prize is that the statewide brand, uh, raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for an awesome cause. And people are like, like barreling down the door to try to want to run this now. And before the first year, you probably couldn't even find 12 people to do it. Like, you had to find 12 people crazy enough to do this project.

Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, we certainly started as kind of pulling teeth, like, who could we call on? Who do we tap that can raise the money that can run the miles? And it was kind of a difficult ask at times. And shift to this year, you know, we've had to go through an actual application process. We've had a committee that helps decide who those runners selected will be. So, yeah, huge momentum.

Speaker B: There's so much to, like. We can apply that to so many things. Business, personal life. Like, when something is a dream, it's a lot harder to get people on board for something. And then you see it, and it's a reality. And now everyone's like, how can I. How can I help? Okay. Participate.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Um, I just think it's so cool and the cause is so great, so I'm glad that you guys started it. Um, what, uh, I'm curious. On the streak, give us a story of, like, the hardest. The day you thought maybe you might lose it. Is there. There's gotta be something. A couple, maybe.

Speaker A: Well, sort of a spoiler alert here. I had a streak, um, the year that I turned 40. I wanted to do a running streak. And my goal was to run a mile outside every day for that year. Um, when I hit that365, I decided to keep going. A week, uh, or two after that, I was not feeling great and decided I was just gonna, like, bag the streak. So fast forward, almost immediate regret. Right? Cause once you do it, you can't undo it. The day has passed. And so I knew that I didn't love that I had done that. Um, and so when I decided to pick it up again, I knew that it was basically gonna be. There aren't a lot of outs here. Um, and that includes, you know, days after a marathon are probably the hardest. Especially particularly downhill marathon.

Speaker B: Really, physically, just the body torn.

Speaker A: Physically, very difficult. Um, you don't want to run. You just want to rest. And you know that you look like a very injured person trying to, like, hammer out one single mile at a very slow pace. So those are hard.

Speaker B: Um, physically, this isn't just, like, a word of honor type of thing. Like, you're probably tracking all these on Strava. Like, there's data out there. There's accountability.

Speaker A: Like, Yeah, I mean, there's that. I write it in. I have a paper copy of my running journal, so I still keep track in there, too.

Speaker B: And is that with, like, notes of how you felt or just one mile? December.

Speaker A: Depends on the day. Yeah. Notes of how I felt, maybe who I ran with or if I did a workout or what shoes I wore. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker B: Interesting. So can I wanna go back to the feeling of losing the streak? When did it. So this. I get the 40th idea. Like, this is I'm turning 40. Here's my goal. What. How did you feel that day? Was it just one day? Or like, how. Like, how much regret or, um, indecision or uncertainty? How long did you sit with that?

Speaker A: Yeah. So it wasn't just one day that I took off. I mean, after that, then I was a little more intermittent. Right. Cause I had disrupted the streak. So it was kind of like, well, it doesn't matter now. Um, but that day I just wasn't willing to probably work through physically how I felt, that it wasn't worth it to me at that point. And in retrospect, it's 365 days. And now that I'm at 1200 days, it looks different to me. I am much more careful, I would say, to try to preserve that than I would have then, to just me take it or leave it.

Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. There's something to be said for that power of that momentum of once you're on the path to just never stop. Um, what other, like, maybe life impacts. I'm guessing you are very healthy. Like, you probably don't get sick very often.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Um. Uh, it's forced you to plan your day and really schedule out your priorities. What else have you noticed?

Speaker A: Um, I mean, the priority thing is huge. My mom has always said that to me, that if something's your priority, you'll figure out how to make it work. And so that, to me, is something. It's probably a little annoying to my family at this point because, you know, traveling or different things like that, it's tough sometimes. It's, you know, we've been on a boat in Alaska, and I'm like, can you just take me to shore so I can run my mile? And everybody's annoyed at Kelly's running streak, but it's, you know, it really does force you to sort of prioritize. And that's my priority. Yep.

Speaker B: And, um, I'm guessing your husband's long since asked if you're gonna run. Like, he already knows.

Speaker A: Yeah, nobody asks it. Uh, you know, at one point, my friends used to text and say, hey, are you going to run today? Or now it's shifted to, did you run or when are you gonna run today? Not if, but when.

Speaker B: Yeah. So it literally became if to win. Yeah, I'm sure. Now it's like 3pm and someone's texting like, is everything okay?

Speaker A: Yeah. Right. I didn't see you on Strava.

Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, that's great. Um, okay, let's go to. Very recently you ran the Boston Marathon.

Speaker A: Yes.

Speaker B: And, uh, I appreciated that you shared a little post on what it meant to you. I think I was vulnerable for you, which is good. I know that can be hard. Talk to me about that experience because that was obviously probably one of the. It's like the super bowl for runners doing the Boston Marathon.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Tell us about it.

Speaker A: Well, Boston for me was a really long time coming, so I'm not naturally a super gifted athlete. Um, I mean, I always joke that I run because I'm not good at anything else. I'm not coordinated, I'm not good at ball sports. So I just run. And the best I can do is just to not, like, trip and hurt myself that way. So I first, um, started to think about Boston a little bit. Probably after my second or third marathon, where I was starting to get close with, like you said.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Qualifying. Right. Not really trying. I was kind of getting the. Getting closer. And I thought this could be within the realm of possibility. So I did qualify my first time for Boston in 2015. And for people who are familiar with how the weird Boston math works, there is a cutoff time. Um, it's not just a simple, like, you run this time and you get to run the Boston Marathon. There's more applicants than there are spots, and so they've since implemented.

Speaker B: That's a moving target, isn't it?

Speaker A: Yes, a moving target. Um, anywhere from zero minutes to seven plus minutes. You would need to run faster than your standard for your age and gender. And so.

Speaker B: So you gotta beat it with some cushion, right? Yep.

Speaker A: Yep. And so my cushion from that 2015 race wasn't big enough. I didn't get in. I think I missed the cutoff that year by like 30 seconds or something. Which just haunts you for so long, I bet.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: Um, to think about, like, what could I have done differently? And what.

Speaker B: What if I would have a few more miles?

Speaker A: What am I gonna do? Right. But really, like, I can't change it.

Speaker B: Um, it's passive.

Speaker A: So you dwell on that for a little bit. But then now, what am I gonna do? Because I know what I need to do and I know that's still what I want. And so really, it just drove kind of that forward shift to say, how am I gonna do this again? Better.

Speaker B: Okay. So it was almost 10 years before you decided to go for it again.

Speaker A: So I had a couple of attempts in there. And again, like, for me, the stars have to kind of align that it has to be a decent day. I have to have a pretty decent training cycle. Can't, um, be super hot, can't be super windy, can't be a super ridiculously hilly course or something that's gonna test me in lots of different ways. So it took a little while for the stars to align again. Um, and then my qualifier was in 2023.

Speaker B: Okay. You have to wait a. It's like for the year ahead.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So Boston works kind of a little ways ahead. So, yeah, my 2023 race qualified me for the 2025 Boston.

Speaker B: And tell us about race day. Cause this was just a few weeks ago.

Speaker A: Yeah, two weeks. Two weeks ago. Um. Um, it was a beautiful day. So when people say it's a beautiful day, that usually means it's not ideal running conditions, but it was a little warm.

Speaker B: Um, Wait, what do you mean? So what's like.

Speaker A: I mean, it was like they would

Speaker B: say ideal day if it were an ideal day. Otherwise they say it's a beautiful.

Speaker A: It's a great day to spectate a marathon. It's not necessarily a great day to run a marathon. So a little warm. It was sunny. Um, which again, you know, coming out of winter training in South Dakota to

Speaker B: run, you probably overcast or a little cooler.

Speaker A: I could have taken a little cooler, but I told myself for, you know, almost a decade that once I got to run Boston, I wasn't going to complain about it, so tried to stifle my complaints about that. Um, inner voice there. Yeah, inner voice. Lot of, lot of mental dialogue going on. But it was, it really was a beautiful day. Um, the course is amazing, the crowd is amazing. Spent a lot of time just taking in everything. It's such an iconic race, and it's just to be there is pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker B: Uh, and how'd you feel at the end?

Speaker A: It feels a little surreal, honestly, because like you said, this is the prize really for me, this always is the super bowl of running. Whether or not I'm on the starting line, it's always something that's an event that is of interest. And so I've spent a lot of time working towards this, thinking about it, thinking about the race. Um, and then you're turning right on Hereford and left on Boylston, and pretty soon you're under the finish line and you're like, it's all over.

Speaker B: Yeah. How'd you Feel.

Speaker A: Yeah. Um, I think it's almost just like an out of body experience. Right. That this is. You're floating down the street and mounds and mounds of people are cheering for you. And I had no headphones, no anything. I just wanted to take in the race. So you hear it all and it's, I mean it's super emotional. I spent lots of time crying during the race, off and on.

Speaker B: So that's cool.

Speaker A: I expected that. But I wanted to just show up for all of it.

Speaker B: That's amazing. M. So we already know that you ran the next day. Cause the streak is still alive. But I do want to know, you know, like you hear athletes in the super bowl and they win and you know, that's why I always kind of knew I was just a high school athlete and not a. I mean to get to a pro I think you also need some physical God given gifts. But even college athletes have a different level of intensity. And you know, they're like, when is practice start the next. You know, like they're just onto the next thing. So if this is such a prize, how do you rebound from that? When it feels like box check. I know you're a box checker. Mhm.

Speaker A: So then what I think it, it turns into a couple things. One is I didn't have my best race day at Boston. And so my first thought is I need to do that again because I didn't show up the way I wanted to and it wasn't necessarily anything I could control. But I want to do it again. Um, I want to know that I had my best on that day, on that course. So that's part of it. Um, it's always a challenge for me anyway, following any race to not just start to think about what's next because it is that race. No matter what it is, when I finish my six star for the majors, it'll still be what's next. It's maybe not my next star, but it's still what's the next race or adventure or destination location.

Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna probably sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here, but I think there's a couple lessons of like, how do we celebrate the wins? Like actually pause and reflect that you ran the Boston Marathon or that you, you know, will eventually get your six star. Cause if it's inevitable. So enjoying that. But also like, I think a lot of times greatness is really con. Is un Misunderstood by people. And so like that's crazy. Or like how could they, how could you how could you win the super bowl and then immediately go to prac. Go to the weight room the next day, or. And I just think that's what. That's what excellence looks like. Right. That's the people who are at the top of their game, who know what it takes to get to that level and then sustain it. Um, and I know that you're not, like, you know, trying to get, like, Olympic qualifying times, but you have high standards for yourself, and I think that's awesome. You know, I'm sure that people are like, why don't you take a day off? Why don't you rest? I'm sure you get that often.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: And how do you. Is it just like one in, in one ear, one out, or how do you react to that?

Speaker A: For me, rest is maybe not taking a day off from running, but running a slow, easy mile or while my kids bike with me, or I take my dog for a run, or I run. You know, I don't care about my pace. I don't really care about where I go. That's still rust to me. 10 minutes of minor activity is pretty minimal, in my opinion.

Speaker B: Yeah.

Speaker A: So close to spending, you know, hours running 20 miles. Still feels pretty restful to me to just get 10ish minutes of activity.

Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's lessons there as well. Right. Everyone has their own version of what that is, but as you said, becoming the person who says what you're going to do, this is something that matters not just to you, but also it impacts other people beyond you. Friends, kids. Um, I just think it's really cool. So I didn't prep you on this one, but I often ask in the podcast at the end what people's superpower is, and I define that as, like, the thing you do better than everyone else. I have an idea, but I want to hear your answer. What do you think your superpower is?

Speaker A: I don't know if this is a superpower by definition. I think just showing up.

Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to say discipline.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Showing up. Yeah. And I'm guessing that you've seen that translate into lots of areas of your life.

Speaker A: Yeah.

Speaker B: Cool. Well, um, thank you for inspiring so many, but with your own streak and sharing it, I think that's a big part of it, too, is like, you have to share it with the world, too. Um, and I know there's a lot of feelings of, like, nobody cares. Why would. But you care. And I think often people. More people care than you realize. Uh, and then pointing this potential and this momentum toward a cause like the 437 project. Like, it's one of those things that I view as an alumni now of, like, I already know. I don't know what it's going to look like in 10 years, but I know it's going to be awesome. So I'm just excited for that, like, watching something grow and balloon from just this little idea. So thanks for all you do, Kelly.

Speaker A: Yeah, thank you.

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