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KS 425 - Work With, Not For: The Divine Partnership

Kingdom Success · 2025-09-23 · 20 min

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Key moments - from our scoring

Substance score

27 / 100

Five dimensions, 20 points each

Insight Density9 / 20
Originality7 / 20
Guest Caliber2 / 20
Specificity & Evidence6 / 20
Conversational Craft3 / 20

This episode addresses a critical tension Christian marketplace leaders face: the difference between striving in self-effort versus partnering with God in work. Tyler McHart draws from Proverbs 22:29 and Exodus 31 (Bezalel's call to build the tabernacle) to illustrate that competency matters, but must be paired with Holy Spirit dependency rather than personal determination. Using his own track-and-field story - where his senior year brought Olympic trial qualification and Dean's List honors after implementing time boundaries and sabbath rest, unlike his earlier over-training approach - McHart shows how "working with" God produces better results with less burnout. The practical framework includes: developing genuine competency in your field, releasing the need to measure success solely by personal effort, watching for striving versus flowing (frustration signals misalignment with faith), and redefining success as faithfulness rather than output. This directly applies to entrepreneurs, sales professionals, business owners, and anyone building marketplace income who wants to sustain impact without exhaustion.

Key takeaways

  • →Working *with* the Lord through Holy Spirit partnership produces better results with less burnout than working *for* the Lord through self-effort alone.
  • →Measure success by faithfulness to what God has called you to do, not by the outcomes your personal effort generates.
  • →Implement rhythms of focused work with defined time boundaries and sabbath rest to prevent striving and maintain the peace that signals faith.
  • →Develop genuine competency in your field as a foundation, then partner with Holy Spirit for wisdom and discernment in decisions and pivotal moments.
  • →Self-check during the day by asking whether you're striving (frustration, control-seeking) or flowing (peace, trust) - frustration indicates you've left the yoke.

In this episode

  1. 1Working With the Lord vs. Working For the Lord
  2. 2Bezalel: The Divine Partnership Model
  3. 3Personal Story: Track and Field Transformation
  4. 4Four Keys to Divine Partnership
  5. 5Recognizing Striving vs. Flowing
  6. 6Reframing Success as Faithfulness

Mentioned

Tyler McHartJohn MaxwellFaith Driven EntrepreneursCoastal Carolina UniversityStephenMr CernyBezalel

Topics in this episode

Sabbath RestMarketplace ChristianityHoly Spirit guidanceFaith Driven Entrepreneurs conferenceProverbs 22:29Bezalel (Exodus 31)Tabernacle constructionDivine partnershipMatthew 11:28-30 (easy yoke)Work ethic reframing

Questions this episode answers

What is the difference between working for the Lord versus working with the Lord?

Working for the Lord relies on your own strength, drive, and effort to accomplish goals and earn God's approval, leading to burnout and frustration. Working with the Lord means developing your competency while inviting Holy Spirit into decisions and daily rhythms, trusting His partnership and guidance - resulting in peace and better outcomes.

How do you know if you're striving instead of flowing in your work?

Frustration is the indicator: when you're in faith, you're never frustrated. If you feel frustrated with a situation, you're striving in self-effort rather than flowing in trust. The highest form of faith is resting in the Lord, trusting He will bring results to pass.

What does success actually mean if you're working with the Lord?

Success is faithfulness to what God has called you to do, not the output your effort produces. It's staying behind the cloud (following His lead) rather than trying to over-anxiously drive results or over-deliver.

How can implementing time boundaries and sabbath rest improve performance?

Tyler experienced this in his senior year of college: when he set workout time limits (2 hours maximum) and took full sabbath rest (no training or homework), he performed better (near-Olympic qualifier times and made Dean's List) than during his earlier years of excessive self-driven training, because he partnered with God's multiplication rather than relying on personal effort.

How do you practically invite Holy Spirit into your daily work?

When a situation or meeting comes up, acknowledge the Lord by saying something like: 'I know You've given me the skills to do this work, but I'm going to rely on You for insight, discernment, and any check of the Holy Spirit - lead me.' This invites His partnership in real-time decision-making.

What our scoring noted

Our reviewer’s read on each dimension, with quotes from the episode.

Insight Density

9 / 20

The episode contains some genuinely useful ideas - particularly the distinction between working 'for' versus 'with' the Lord, the concept of divine partnership, and the practical framework of inviting the Holy Spirit into daily work decisions. However, these core insights are heavily padded with personal anecdotes (the track-and-field story), motivational throat-clearing ('stop apologizing and start winning'), and repetitive restatement of the same points across 20 minutes. A B2B operator would extract perhaps 3-4 actionable mental models amid substantial filler.

When the Lord doesn't want you to do it for him, he wants you to do it with him
Stop measuring only by what your effort produces

Originality

7 / 20

The core framework (work with God, not for God; rest versus striving; redefine success as faithfulness) is well-established in Christian teaching and self-help literature. The Bezalel example is biblical but not novel in this context. The episode recycles common tropes about burnout, work-life balance, and trusting a higher power without introducing fresh angles, counterintuitive claims, or first-principles reasoning that would surprise someone familiar with either Christian or secular productivity literature.

He will stand before kings. He will not stand before obscure men
The highest form of faith is actually resting in the Lord

Guest Caliber

2 / 20

This is a solo host episode with no guests. The host (Tyler McHart) positions himself as a life coach and faith-based entrepreneur, but provides no evidence of meaningful operating scale, no named clients, no measurable business results, and no differentiated expertise beyond personal anecdotes. The episode lacks the credibility that comes from interviewing practitioners who have actually built or scaled something at meaningful scale.

I'm actually helping people, helping really men, fathers create a vision, create a plan, create values for their family
I'm teaching people and educating them on is actually how to create their own family bank

Specificity & Evidence

6 / 20

The episode relies almost entirely on a single personal anecdote (track-and-field senior year) to illustrate its central thesis. Beyond that story, there are no named companies, no concrete metrics, no timelines, no dollar figures, and no specific examples of the principles working in a business context. The Bezalel biblical example is vague. A B2B operator would struggle to translate the ideas into their own situation without concrete, real-world case studies.

I probably was putting in, at minimum workout-wise, at least two to three hours of training just on the track
During that year, not only did I throw the hammer far enough to almost qualify... but I also made the Dean's List

Conversational Craft

3 / 20

This is a monologue, not a conversation. There are no guest interactions, no pushback, no challenging questions, and no productive disagreement. The host preaches rather than explores, makes assertions without interrogating them, and leaves central claims (e.g., 'faith eliminates frustration') unexamined. There is no evidence of intellectual rigor or willingness to stress-test the ideas presented.

When you're in faith, you're never frustrated. I hope that kind of settles in with you right there
That right there is the very first thing you can do, that you have to invite Holy Spirit into your daily work

Conversation analysis

Computed from the transcript - who did the talking, and the words that came up most.

Most-used words

lord34success11spirit10stop8trying8holy7whole7frustrated7remember7tyler6back6faith6verse5family5bezalel5striving5

Episode notes

Send us Fan Mail The difference between working "for" God versus working "with" God might seem subtle, but it represents a revolutionary shift for marketplace Christians. Are you experiencing burnout, frustration, and diminishing returns despite your best efforts? The problem might not be your work ethic but your fundamental approach. Drawing from Proverbs 22:29 and the example of Bezalel in Exodus 31, Tyler shares how God values skilled craftsmanship combined with spiritual partnership. Through vulnerable stories from his college track career, Tyler illustrates how shifting from relentless self-effort to rhythmic partnership with God transformed both his athletic performance and academic success. This wasn't about working less - it was about working differently, with boundaries, intentionality, and trust. The divine partnership model offers a refreshing alternative to the exhausting cycle of striving that plagues so many professionals. When we invite Holy Spirit into our daily work, release control of outcomes, establish sustainable rhythms, and reframe our definition of success, we experience what Jesus promised in Matthew 11:28-30 - an easy yoke and a light burden.

Full transcript

20 min

Transcribed and scored by The B2B Podcast Index.

Proverbs 22, . Verse 29 says Do you see a man skillful in his work ? He will stand before kings . He will not stand before obscure men .

Fellow Marketplace Christians , stop apologizing and start winning . Welcome to the Success Edge , the show that helps you take your walk as a Marketplace Christian to the next level . Here's your host Christian entrepreneur , tyler McHart . What's ?

going on team Successful . This is Tyler McHart coming at you , episode 425 . Excited to be able to do this episode with you guys . I'm actually on a walk right now Trying to get my heart rate up a little bit , but I'd like for you to join me .

Join me on this walk . We're just going to talk about Jesus , we're going to talk about marketplace kingdom , how they all intertwine together , how to be more effective in the marketplace by leading of the Holy Spirit . I'm excited about that . But before I jump into this episode , I want to just give a shout out real quick to you know what I'm doing and if you have any interest in actually learning some more about what I'm doing professionally , I would highly recommend it .

So there's two things . One I'm actually helping people helping really men fathers create a vision , create a plan , create values for their family , just like a business plan that you would have for your business . What I've done is come alongside of other actually business owners not business owners fathers that are godly men that want to take their family and have a plan for their family , not just kind of going through life as happenstance . Because there's one thing I learned about John Maxwell .

He says leaders are intentional . Intentionality is a core tenant of a leader . Well , if you have an interest in that , feel free to reach out to me . Second thing I'm teaching people and educating them on is actually how to create their own family bank , how to have your own private bank .

I was rolling up the road taking my kids to school and I got to talking about how that my oldest , tyler , is getting ready to turn 16 , so he's going to get a vehicle . But I was just walking them through kind of why and how a little bit of why we're actually going to and how a little bit of why we're actually going to do a policy loan actually out with Tyler and how he'll pay that back and how that actually really he's actually paying himself back long term . So it is such an amazing concept that that's why Holy Spirit's had me share this with people .

So if you're interested in that , reach out to me Twitter , facebook , instagram . Instagram probably is the fastest and easiest way . Tyler H McCart direct message me and we'll go from there . So let's jump into this content today .

I'm excited about it . I know I've talked about this topic again before , but you know sometimes you can't hear a topic enough , especially if you're a driven person , a person that is out there on the front lines of actually creating income for your family . You have a business , you have a job , a sales professional . You're trying to do this thing and you're wanting to make it happen , but you also don't want to get burned out .

You don't want to get so fatigued because you realize that that's not how God made this . God didn't make you to get burned out about your whole job situation . So how does that work ? Well , I actually attended a conference or a seminar this past Friday .

It started at 8 o'clock in the morning and went all the way to 3 o'clock in the afternoon . The name of it was actually Faith Driven Entrepreneurs . And what a fantastic conference . At the conference , the gentleman Stephen , who was hosting pretty much the whole entire event Stephen , who is hosting pretty much the whole entire event he said this real simple thing how that , instead of working for the Lord , that you begin to work with the Lord , that there is a major difference .

And I've spoken about this on my podcast , but I wanted to bring this back up and bring this back to light of what does it look like to work for the Lord versus with the Lord . So I've got some notes here that I'm to kind of use is actually the scripture of Proverbs , 22 , verse 29 . If you know of anything like me , if you've ever heard my podcast before , you know that 22 , verse 29, . Do you see any competent workers ?

All right , I'm going to read the New Living Translation , so it might be a little different , but it's a good little translation . Do you see any truly competent workers ? They will serve kings rather than working for ordinary people . And it made me think about Bezalel all right , about Bezalel , all right , bezalel in Exodus 31 , where the Lord did not call someone from the tribe of Levi , which is the Levitical tribe , to actually construct the tabernacle .

So this is going to be the first place , first time the children of Israel would say , hey , here's where we're going to go , here's where we're going to sacrifice , here's where we're going to commune and meet with the Lord . So this was a big deal . And the Lord tells Moses that he calls out Bezalel because he has a spirit of wisdom , spirit of insight . And I believe that it even says in the New Living Translation , in verse 5 , he is skilled in engraving , mounting gemstones and carved wood .

Here's where he is a master at every craft . I really like that a lot . So I know that every entrepreneur person that is going out there doing any kind of profession , you want to be the best at what you are . I hope that's you .

If that's not you , then we got another conversation we need to have . But I believe that's where we're all at for the majority of my audience . But there's this tension , there's this thing that happens to us all . It's happened to me and I'm going to give you some examples of my own life .

Where that we began this whole thing of like man , we get this vision for the Lord or we get this thing . I'm going to work , you know , and I'm working for the Lord , working unto the Lord , right , and all of a sudden , man , we get frustrated , we get burnt out , we get tired and it goes to hell in a handbasket real quick . Well , what does it mean to work for the Lord ? All right , well , simply put , it looks something like this where you've got some sort of drive that the Lord has put upon your heart , but now you're like man , I'm headstrong , I'm hard charging , I'm going to go get this thing accomplished for the Lord and we're going to make this happen , and I'm going to be able to turn around and look at say , lord , I did this for you , right , when the Lord doesn't want you to do it for him , he wants you to do it with him .

When the Lord doesn't want you to do it for him , he wants you to do it with him . Okay , you're going to be striving , self-effort , measuring your success . I wrote this down Measuring your success by your own hands . Yeah , measuring your own success by your own hands .

I remember very distinctly , just as a point of reference , where that I actually , when I got to college and I was doing track and field , I was sold out to the Lord . I really was . I wanted to glorify His name . He had given me the scholarship to Coastal Carolina University and I was excited about it .

Well , I remember my first , really three years , my freshman , sophomore , junior year . Man , I was working like a dog . I mean , I probably was putting in , at minimum workout-wise , at least two to three hours of training just on the track , and then I would go into the weight room and put another two to three hours , and that was at least five to six times a week . And I was not .

And if you had stopped me , stopped me and said , hey , tyler , you know who are you doing this for ? I'd say , man , I'm doing it for Jesus , doing it for Jesus , jesus gets the glory . Glory to God . That would be what my mindset would have been .

That was exactly what I would have said to you . Now , was anything wrong with that ? Not really , but could have been better Absolutely . Hence comes in my senior year , my senior year .

All of a sudden I had a new mindset . I had a new mindset . I started setting . I remember I got a mentor .

His name was Mr Cerny . I started setting . I remember I got a mentor . His name was Mr Cerny .

He challenged me to start to put parameters around my workouts to where I would give maximum effort during a certain period of time and then I would stop . That would be it . I would move on to my next thing . I remember that took a lot of faith for me to actually do that , because I just remember working had become really more my God .

My work ethic had become more my God than actually the actual you know , trusting the Lord and that he was going to produce the results . So I would stop . I remember I would be working out , I'd be training with all the athletes that I would be out there with , and then after about two hours of being out there , no matter where I was at in my workout , I would stop and I would go on to the gym and again I would do the workout . But I would go on to the gym and again I would do the workout , but I would set a time and whenever that time was done I was done well , moving forward .

And the other thing that I did , that I implemented during that time was where I actually implemented a full sabbath rest where I didn't do any homework , I didn't do any training , none whatsoever . During that year , uh , of my of college man , let me tell you something During that year , not only did I throw the hammer far enough to almost qualify or , yeah , really , almost go to the Olympic trials , but I also made the Dean's List . How about that ? Never done that before .

But here I was , my senior year , putting timetables and putting not putting pressure , but just trusting that the Lord would take the work that I was doing and he would multiply it , he would actually make it happen . This was the difference , the difference between working for the Lord and working with the Lord . I began to have this rhythm , this flow , this peace . It was like I was yoked with the Lord .

What it says in Matthew 11 , verse 28 to 30 , it says my yoke is easy . And I just had this picture in my head back then of these two oxen working together , yoked together . One is obviously leading , but still the other one is still working right alongside of that oxen , one of them's not getting ahead of the other , because if one of them gets ahead of the other , it messes the whole thing up . This is where I was at .

And there's this joint venture , guys , this divine partnership that we have with the Lord , where you develop your competency Okay , hear me . You develop you , you become an expert at the field of endeavor that you're in . Then you actually partner , then you actually add in , you actually become , you know , holy Spirit led with your decision-making , with your rhythms that you have . You're not trying to outwork the system , you're not trying to figure it all out and say , oh , I'm just going to trust on exactly what I've learned through this whole entire thing .

No , you know , when a situation comes up or you go into a meeting , you acknowledge the Lord . You say Lord , hey , look , I know you've given me the skills and everything like that to know how to work this , but you know what ? I'm going to rely upon you to give me the insight , to know if there's something , a check . Just the Holy Spirit , you know , do your thing .

Lead me . That right . There is the very first thing you can do , that you have to invite Holy Spirit into your daily work . That's a critical , critical piece , critical piece of inviting him in your daily work .

More , mr Bobby , morning Mr Bobby . The next thing you've got to release control , man . You've got to release the control . Stop measuring only by what your effort produces , guys .

That's a major , major point right there of releasing the control . Stop measuring only by your effort . This is where that you can get so frustrated , you can get so burnt out . I know what I did was whenever I got into corporate america I actually took my old work ethic , mindset , what I did my freshman , sophomore , junior and just put it actually into the workforce and man again , I was for about seven years there being in the corporate arena and actually being in business .

I was one frustrated Jose , totally one frustrated Jose , because I was all self-effort of my own . Thirdly , you've got to rest in rhythm . Now here's what that looks like You've got to watch for signs of striving versus flowing . This actually has to do with your peace .

If you feel like you're getting frustrated with a certain situation , I can go ahead and tell you you're striving because now , watch this , watch this . It's something I learned when you're in faith , you're never frustrated . I hope that kind of settles in with you right there . When you're in faith , you're never frustrated .

When you're in faith , you're never striving , you're at peace , you're actually at rest . The highest form of faith is actually resting in the Lord , trusting that he is the one that's going to bring this to pass . You know you're working unto the Lord , right . You know you're working unto the lord , right you're .

You have to watch yourself and kind of govern yourself in the middle of the day and say , oh , am I striving right here ? Am I flowing ? What does it look like ? Where am I at ?

You have to have like a little self-governing uh thing on you to say I gotta back off of this . I'm getting really too close to this right now . I'm in too deep . I'm trying to outwork this .

I've got to slow it down . The fourth thing is you have to reframe your success . Your success really is not yourself . It's not your success .

You're working with the Lord . So what does the Lord say ? What success is ? I mean , he clearly I've talked about it so much before but faithfulness is what success is to the Lord you being faithful to what he has called you to do , not trying to get over and done and trying to over-anx it , but actually staying behind the cloud .

Staying behind the cloud . You've got to redefine success , reframe it so that you actually know what you're doing and not getting over anxious . So my challenge to you , this is my , this is my challenge . You got two challenges .

Ask yourself in the middle of the day , ask yourself am I working for the Lord in my own strength or am I working with the Lord in my own strength , or am I working with the Lord , with his partnership and his grace ? Just do a little self-check . You might need to put a little notification on your phone . You might need to put a little reminder or send yourself an email sometime periodically during the day , or text message .

You can do a send later , right , just to kind of check yourself , right . And also , I'll say this right here you know this blessed you . If this actually helped you kind of think through what you're trying to do , you thought of somebody that needs to hear this . I would ask you to share this with that person Now , with 10 people not blasting on social media , just with one person .

Not with 10 people not blasting on social media , just with one person . Okay , just one person . That's what I would ask ? Because , gang , I want us to be like Bezalel .

Okay , that's where we want to be . We want to be a master craftsman of excellence . But how we do that is , we actually take our competency . We have to become competent in what we do .

That's the whole partnership . And then we partner up with Holy Spirit to allow him to work within our competency . We never stop learning , we never stop growing , but at the end of the day , you've got to partner with Holy Spirit , you've got to rely upon him . So , kingdom of success , know that you're blessed , you're highly favored , you're empowered to prosper .

You walk in divine health . Spirit of breakthrough is upon you , guys and gang , we'll catch you on the other side .

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