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Joscha Bach: AGI, Consciousness, and the Evolution of Intelligence

Digital Disruption with Geoff Nielson · 2026-06-08 · 1h 30m

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Artificial Intelligence is changing faster than most people realize, but are we asking the wrong questions about AI, AGI, consciousness, and the future of society? In this episode, cognitive scientist and AI researcher Joscha Bach joins us for a thought-provoking conversation on artificial intelligence, machine consciousness, large language models (LLMs), AGI, human intelligence, and the future of work. Joscha explains why intelligence is fundamentally about model-building, why consciousness may be a biological training algorithm, and what current AI systems are still missing. The conversation goes far beyond technology, tapping into innovation, capitalism, regulation, scientific progress, institutional trust, democracy, media narratives, AI safety, employment disruption, economic incentives, and the future of human civilization. Joscha shares his perspective on AI doom scenarios, why he believes many fears around artificial intelligence are overstated, and how AI could ultimately empower individuals rather than replace them. This episode offers a different look into artificial intelligence, human progress, and what comes next. Like and follow for weekly episodes.

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