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Dave and Dharm DeMystify

Hosted by Dave and Dharm DeMystify Fintech

Listed under Business

A unique perspective of Fintech formed through decades of designing and delivering online financial services.

170 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-11-06 · ~32 min/episode

Rank

#775

Substance

75.2

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-11
Updated monthly

Finance rank

#115 of 548

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Across the index

#775 of 6220

Substance

Top 12%

outscores 88% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Dave and Dharm DeMystify ranks #775 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 75.2 out of 100, scored across 5 recent episodes. It scores highest on guest caliber and insight density. Arjeh van Oijen brings 35 years in payments and 10 years in blockchain/DLT, and holds a product strategy role at Icon Solutions - a legitimate infrastructure player serving tier-one banks. However, he is a software vendor rather than a bank operator or fintech founder who has actually navigated the transition to digital currency at scale. His perspective is informed but somewhat removed from the frontline execution challenges.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 5 recently scored episodes, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

15.4 / 20

The episode delivers solid foundational content on tokenization, digital currencies, and payment settlement mechanisms with several non-obvious distinctions (BECS vs FPS vs CHEPS, stablecoins vs CBDCs vs tokenized deposits, correspondent banking challenges). However, there is notable padding with repeated explanations and the hosts occasionally circle back to clarify the same points, reducing density. The guest provides genuine insights about geopolitical implications and infrastructure shifts but doesn't introduce truly novel frameworks or counterintuitive claims.

“If you go back then to the digital currency, then again there are three types of issuers that you can distinguish. It's the central bank and in that case it's called a central bank. Digital currency, it can be commercial bank, then they refer to that as a tokenized deposit. And then there can be non banks and then it's called a stablecoin.”

“meaning that you can then um, process a payment in a matter of seconds between banks that are located in different countries, even with a third currency involved, which is quite cumbersome when you in the correspondent banking world.”

Originality

14.0 / 20

The episode covers well-established fintech narratives - central bank digital currencies, stablecoin regulation, and correspondent banking disruption - without substantial contrarian positioning or first-principles rethinking. The geopolitical angle (US sanctions, de-dollarization, payment independence) is timely but not particularly novel for an informed fintech operator by 2026. The framing largely recycles existing industry discourse without fresh strategic insights.

“correspondent banking as we know it will not exist anymore between five or ten years from now.”

“There is also geopolitical element to this in exactly in the same way that you mentioned that theoretically it can become possible that Visa MasterCard is going to exclude European cards from the network”

Guest Caliber

17.8 / 20

Arjeh van Oijen brings 35 years in payments and 10 years in blockchain/DLT, and holds a product strategy role at Icon Solutions - a legitimate infrastructure player serving tier-one banks. However, he is a software vendor rather than a bank operator or fintech founder who has actually navigated the transition to digital currency at scale. His perspective is informed but somewhat removed from the frontline execution challenges.

“I've been in payments for more than 35 years. Um, and related to the subject of digital assets, Blockchain, um, and DLT Technology, I've been involved already for 10 years.”

“Icon Solutions is a software company based in the, in the UK and we are delivering software to banks to enable them to do the processing of their payments.”

Specificity & Evidence

14.2 / 20

The episode provides some concrete examples (India's UPI, Brazil's initiatives, European Payment Initiative, BRICS de-dollarization efforts, Project Nexus) but rarely quantifies impact or offers specific metrics, timelines, or dollar figures. Most claims are illustrated with broad statements rather than grounded data - no real deployment numbers, settlement volumes, cost savings, or timeline specifics. The discussion of Icon Solutions' customers is vague ("tier-one banks," "large corporates").

“in India the majority of the payments took place with cash. They have completely digitalized it and now on a daily basis billions of transactions are being processed.”

“Our solution covers 90% of the functionality they need. That's pretty standard functionality that's required by all the banks. But it's that 10% which is essential”

Conversational Craft

13.8 / 20

The hosts ask reasonable follow-up questions and occasionally push back (e.g., asking whether banks are culturally ready, probing geopolitical risks, questioning Visa/Mastercard implications). However, the conversation often accepts the guest's framing without deep challenge. Some softball moments exist ("That's spot on. Absolutely. That's exactly what we were offering"), and the hosts don't press on vendor dependencies, implementation risks, or counterarguments to his optimistic timeline predictions.

“But does that mean at a kind of corporate level, like, if you had an institutional customer, you, uh, could really start tailoring your offering to them without involving you from a kind of product? That sounds like a big step forward.”

“I mean it's interesting in terms of domestic payments. So thank you because there's a few nuggets in there, things that I probably should know but didn't.”

Standout episodes

  • EP 162: Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments

    2026-07-03

    83
  • EP 167: Demystifying AI Regulation, Innovation & the Future of Financial Services with Colin Payne

    2026-09-08

    82
  • EP 163: Demystifying Core Banking Modernisation, AI, and the Future of Payments

    2026-08-04

    76

Rank over time

5 periods tracked.

Episodes

7 scored on substance · 68 tracked in total.

  • EP 169: Demystifying the Future of Banking, AI & Customer-Centric Innovation with Joe Wilson

    2026-10-30 · 38 min

    69 / 100
  • EP 167: Demystifying AI Regulation, Innovation & the Future of Financial Services with Colin Payne

    2026-09-08 · 49 min

    82 / 100
  • EP 163: Demystifying Core Banking Modernisation, AI, and the Future of Payments

    2026-08-04 · 33 min

    76 / 100
  • EP 162: Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments

    2026-07-03 · 33 min

    83 / 100
  • EP 161: Demystifying Asset Finance, Building Societies, and the Future of Banking Technology

    2026-06-26 · 28 min

    66 / 100
  • EP 160: Demystifying Cross-Border Payments, Tokenisation, and the Future of Global Banking

    2026-06-18 · 25 min

    66 / 100
  • EP 159: Demystifying Trust, AI Agents, and the Future of Digital Commerce with G2A

    2026-06-09 · 27 min

    71 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Dave and Dharm DeMystify's substance score?
Dave and Dharm DeMystify scores 75.2 out of 100 for substance and ranks #775 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 88% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #115 of 548 in Finance. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Dave and Dharm DeMystify worth listening to?
Yes - Dave and Dharm DeMystify outscores 88% of the B2B finance podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a finance operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Dave and Dharm DeMystify?
Dave and Dharm DeMystify is hosted by Dave and Dharm DeMystify Fintech.
How often does Dave and Dharm DeMystify publish?
Dave and Dharm DeMystify publishes fortnightly, has 170 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-11-06.
Which Dave and Dharm DeMystify episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "EP 162: Demystifying Tokenisation, Digital Currencies, and the Future of Payments" (83/100) - a good place to start.

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Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

Revolut · 2PayPal · 2SPS SoftwareSantanderNatWestGlaJohn DeereNationwideCoventry Building SocietyBanking CircleHSBCSaxo BankCircleWiseStarlingMonzoSwiftG2A

Guests who've appeared

Joe WilsonColin PayneLeonardo CollardoArjeh van OijenEric BeeryMichael BolBartosz Skwarczek

Topics this show covers

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Agentic AI · 3Stablecoins · 3Tokenization · 3generative AI · 2Tokenized assets · 2CHAPS · 2Digital nomadsuser experience designKYC (Know Your Customer)Subscription modelBunkFin AI systemGreenfield banking licenseExpatsQuantum computingOpen FinanceFinancial Conduct Authority (FCA)decentralized finance

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