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Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth

Hosted by Rob Markey, Bain & Company partner and customer experience expert

The Customer Confidential Podcast unlocks a world of unparalleled customer and employee loyalty insights. Host Rob Markey, a Net Promoter System pioneer, uses his deep expertise and empathetic approach to challenge conventional wisdom, peel back layers of typical advice, and expose the real stories of industry…

268 episodes · publishes fortnightly · latest 2026-10-15 · ~32 min/episode

Rank

#1421

Substance

71.0

/ 100

Breakdown

Scored 2026-07
Updated monthly

Marketing rank

#198 of 995

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Across the index

#1421 of 6219

Substance

Top 23%

outscores 77% of the index

Why it scores where it does

Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth ranks #1421 on The B2B Podcast Index with a substance score of 71.0 out of 100, scored across 1 recent episode. It scores highest on guest caliber and conversational craft. Sarah Phelps is a genuine practitioner who built a novel customer experience from a blank sheet inside a hard engineering culture, which is directly relevant to B2B CX leaders; Allie Kuehner adds vivid first-person texture but contributes little that operators can use. Neither is a recycled thought-leader circuit guest.

The five-dimension breakdown

Averaged across 1 recently scored episode, with cited evidence.

Insight Density

13.0 / 20

The episode has a handful of genuinely useful CX-design principles buried in a lot of evocative but operationally thin astronaut narrative. The flight-suit reveal and GO-poll stories are real practitioner insight; the bulk of Allie's description of floating in zero-G is not actionable for any B2B operator.

“We are not building the experience for a NASA astronaut who has been going through school and training and a really formal process. We are building this experience for the people who have been. Their experience and their exposure to space has been through advertisements and TV and science fiction books and movies.”

“those first launches, we didn't necessarily make as big of a deal of that first trying of the flight suit on... I realized we needed to take more of a beat with that moment.”

Originality

14.0 / 20

The Smirnoff-ad-as-design-anchor is a genuinely creative and non-obvious method for framing a novel experience; the GO-poll story is a fresh illustration of engineering-vs-human tension. The broader CX theme of 'humanizing a technical process' is recycled territory, keeping the score moderate.

“I found this picture from an old Life magazine from the 1960s, a Smirnoff ad... The minute I saw that advertisement, I said, this is it. This is the experience that we need to, we need to build.”

“I want to hear inco, Go capsule, go, Booster, go, Capcom, go crew, M. I want to hear the flight director. New shepherd is go for launch. I want to sit there when I'm in that seat, and I want to hear that.”

Guest Caliber

15.0 / 20

Sarah Phelps is a genuine practitioner who built a novel customer experience from a blank sheet inside a hard engineering culture, which is directly relevant to B2B CX leaders; Allie Kuehner adds vivid first-person texture but contributes little that operators can use. Neither is a recycled thought-leader circuit guest.

“My name is Sarah Phelps and I am the managing director of astronaut and customer experience for Blue Origin.”

“I came into Blue Origin as a disruptor. Here I am, this hospitality professional coming in to just really throw the humans into a system that was ready like we. It was regimented, and there was a system and there's a timeline and there's a sequence.”

Specificity & Evidence

14.0 / 20

There are genuine specifics - windows covering one-third of capsule surface area, the named GO-poll sequence (INCO, Capsule, Booster, CAPCOM, Crew), the biometric button, Van Horn Texas, 62 miles altitude - but the episode also relies heavily on vague sentiment ('how do we make that 11 minutes even more') and never quantifies business outcomes, retention, NPS, or revenue impact.

“these windows are incredible. They make up one third the surface area of the capsule.”

“I want to hear inco, Go capsule, go, Booster, go, Capcom, go crew, M. I want to hear the flight director. New shepherd is go for launch.”

Conversational Craft

15.0 / 20

The host lands the best moment of the episode with the electric-utility 'meters not customers' analogy, which productively reframes Sarah's internal battle and shows real domain depth; the 'half-million-dollar roller coaster' framing is a decent challenge. Most other questions are facilitative rather than probing, and no claims are meaningfully pushed back on.

“it's basically a half million dollar roller coaster ride. How the heck do you create a, uh, meaningful and memorable experience out of that?”

“in electric utilities, which historically wasn't a competitive industry... the name they had for customers was not customers or households. It was meters.”

Standout episodes

  • Ep. 263 | Allie Kuehner and Sarah Phelps: Designing the Astronaut Experience: Turning a Half-Million-Dollar, 11-Minute Thrill Ride Into a Moment of Awe

    2026-06-18

    71

Rank over time

First period on the Index - history builds from here.

Episodes

1 scored on substance · 60 tracked in total.

  • Ep. 263 | Allie Kuehner and Sarah Phelps: Designing the Astronaut Experience: Turning a Half-Million-Dollar, 11-Minute Thrill Ride Into a Moment of Awe

    2026-06-18 · 24 min

    71 / 100

Frequently asked

What is Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth's substance score?
Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth scores 71.0 out of 100 for substance and ranks #1421 on The B2B Podcast Index. That puts it ahead of 77% of the B2B podcasts we rank and #198 of 995 in Marketing. The score reflects insight density, originality, guest caliber, specificity and conversational craft across recent episodes - not downloads.
Is Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth worth listening to?
Yes - Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth outscores 77% of the B2B marketing podcasts and shows we rank on substance, so a marketing operator is likely to come away with something useful.
Who hosts Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth?
Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth is hosted by Rob Markey, Bain & Company partner and customer experience expert.
How often does Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth publish?
Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth publishes fortnightly, has 268 episodes, released its most recent episode on 2026-10-15.
Which Customer Confidential: Untold Stories of Earned Growth episode should I start with?
Our highest-scoring recent episode is "Ep. 263 | Allie Kuehner and Sarah Phelps: Designing the Astronaut Experience: Turning a Half-Million-Dollar, 11-Minute Thrill Ride Into a Moment of Awe" (71/100) - a good place to start.

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Frequently discusses

Companies, products and tools that come up most across this show's episodes.

Blue OriginNew ShepardNew GlennBain and Company

Guests who've appeared

Allie KuehnerSarah Phelps

Topics this show covers

The themes that come up most across this show's episodes.

Customer experience designBlue Origin New ShepardKármán LineSuborbital spaceflightFlight suit designMission control calloutsEarth's curvature and limbAstronaut training programLiquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellantExperience choreography

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